Posted by Freedom1 on September 10, 2008 at 4:59 a.m.

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Posted by Onelove on September 10, 2008 at 6:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Freedom1-
You are missing the point. This is talking about a celebration not negativity. If that were that case all celebrations in the city would all be the same. So are you suggesting that on Black History month we have booths with gangs, drugs, rapist assistance. On 4th of July have booths with skinheads, druggies, corporate thieves and professional corruption?

Posted by ahuizotl on September 10, 2008 at 6:23 a.m.

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Posted by just_a_thought on September 10, 2008 at 6:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Freedom1 has just as much right to post his "opinion" as the rest us.

ahuizotl - sounds like you are doing some "kicking" yourself!

If the U.S. is to be one nation, a melting pot, then why is it necessary to celebrate the various cultures separately? Why can't we celebrate being "one" nation?

With all due respect, shouldn't the Mexican culture be celebrated in Mexico?

Posted by keepin_it_real on September 10, 2008 at 7 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I applaud this celebration and think it is a good thing. Sounds like a positive celebration and I hope it is successful.

I don't know what Keer said about reintroducing people to Downtown Oxnard though. What is so great about that? It is the arm pit of Oxnard. Won't see me there. Celebration or no celebration.

The rest is good though...

Posted by Freedom1 on September 10, 2008 at 7:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Justgetalong - I don't think I missed a thing. I was responding to the city manager's comments based on my knowledge of Oxnard as a lifelong resident of Ventura county. And, it wouldn't bother me a bit to see other cultures recognize their failures as well as their accomplishments - to do otherwise ignores the fact that all "cultures" have indemic problems. To mask them in month long celebrations which promote more separatism than inclusion is not, in my opinion, a good idea. Obviously we will disagree.
ahuizotl - the only thing I intend to "kick" today is responding to your comment.

Posted by Freedom1 on September 10, 2008 at 7:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

just_a_thought - thank you for your support and I couldn't agree more with your comment.

Posted by Onelove on September 10, 2008 at 7:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Freedom1- Lifelong resident of the county? If you do not live in Oxnard, why bother commenting? You do not know what it is like to live in the city. You comment based on informatin you read. Join the city and make a change instead on putting down another race. Why did you not comment on the rest of my post?

Posted by tweetybyrdrt on September 10, 2008 at 7:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have been to cultural festivals both all over this country and in many others, the general idea of all of them is to share a culture with others (think the scottish games in NorCal). I do feel we have been overrun by the illegals but this shouldn't be about them. It should be about the people who belong here. In this one case I wouldn't even mind see a Mexican flag or two, as long as the UNITED STATES flag is also flown proudly (higer than any other, according to the rules).

Posted by Onelove on September 10, 2008 at 7:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

just_a_thought on - I guess we should not celebrate Black History month and holidays such as St. Patricks day. How about the cities celebrations about the Filipino and other asian communities? This is a country formed by immigrants. Do not forget this state was purchased from Mexico, therefore, the culture will remain.

Posted by ironwoman on September 10, 2008 at 7:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have to say that I don't agree with such "celebrations"...never have. I don't think that we should be recognizing one culture over the other, separating the "celebrations" each month. It saddens me that one culture, either it being Mexican, African-American, Asian, gather as "one" culture and celebrate, segregating themselves from the others.
I grew up in Oxnard and I don't recall ever having so much emphasis on our cultures...it would be a one-day thing...not a one-month celebration.
If only these groups could focus on the dangerous gang activity and fix that problem first...then they can celebrate all they want.

This is coming from a Mexican.

Posted by Onelove on September 10, 2008 at 7:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

So are we telling Patty Burt a 4th generation Mexican, to forget her family history and roots? Do we caucasians, tell our children not to question where their grandparents are from, because we are in America and it should not matter? Should parents of adopted children from other countries, ignore their culture and not talk about it? Do we want change or more of the same?

Posted by Onelove on September 10, 2008 at 7:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ironwoman- Are you a native of Mexico? If not, then you should refer to yourself as an American before a Mexican if you were born here. Refering yourself as a Mexican first, means you are proud of being a Mexican before an American. I am a 2nd generation Italian and I consider myself American before Italian.

Posted by Bud_Bundy on September 10, 2008 at 7:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Welcome to Oxnard, Mexifornia!!!

Posted by Onelove on September 10, 2008 at 7:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm sure we are all aware that most of the illegals work in factories, carwashes, construction and in the "fields". We are also very against illegal immigration. Right? So, why do we all contribute to it? We all buy produce picked by them, purchase meat prepared by them, ie. the Smithfield factory in N.C, buy homes constructed by them, get our car washed when we take it to the car wash and some even hire landscapers. Stop the problem and DO NOT contribute any longer!

Posted by spulido805 on September 10, 2008 at 7:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Scott_fx_2000
I beg to differ, I totally do not agree with your statement. I understand freedom of speech but you went way overboard making a statement like that one. I do not believe that if you drive by a hispanic neighborhood that it is "Trash, graffiti, unsupervised children, etc...." your words. I dont think that is a nice thing to say, and why is it that when you hear some news it is that a young white female either drove her kids to the lake and killed them, or the young women in Florida that her child was missing, well she wasn't hispanic either so where does that leave the whites???

Posted by handyhood on September 10, 2008 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am a Caucasion male. I was born and raised in VC. I am not offended by this celebration. It is like Alaska having a celebration for the Eskimo. California was originally part of Mexico. A lot of Mexican Americans live in Oxnard and the largest percentage of them are law abiding, hard working people. Sure, the majority of crimes committed in Oxnard are committed by Mexican Americans, but that is due to the percentage of them. I see people as people, and until everyone sees Americans has Americans this race issue will keep this country from being as strong as it should be. DON'T BE A HATER! ! !

Posted by Latina_805 on September 10, 2008 at 8:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't understand the first comment on this article was negative and probably from a white person. I enjoy going to 'la placita' to hear 'el grito', that's my heritage, my culture. If you don't like it, agree to it...simple, don't go, don't contribute. HATERS!

Posted by brwnoso on September 10, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr. Gomez is a good individual, He used to take his students in junior high to magic mountain every year. I was a lucky individual that had the privilage to go. Good job Mr. Gomez

Posted by brwnoso on September 10, 2008 at 8:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr. Gomez also keeps alotta kids of the streets.

Posted by Latina_805 on September 10, 2008 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

have to agree Brwnbear, Senor Gomez is a great guy.

Posted by Franko on September 10, 2008 at 8:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Scott_fx_2000-You seem to have a thing for c--roaches. What are you afraid of? Most or all of my Mexican American friends and relatives hate graffiti, trash, and we love to spend time with our family. We work hard for what we have and don't necessarily need 8 kids to have a cohesive family.
The part I don't like is cramming all of my friends into my Chevy...Tapado!

Posted by handyhood on September 10, 2008 at 8:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Latina_805- I don't like to be refer to as a white person, I'm very light brown! Be careful because racism is not reflection of heritage. The "whites" aren't the only Haters. Rascism is a part of all races of Americans and it needs to be stopped by all races. Don't hate me cause I'm "very light brown" and I don't hate you for being a Latina. If I know you as a person, and you a piece of @#$%, then I might hate you for being a piece of @#$%, but not because your a Latina piece of @#$%.

Posted by brwnoso on September 10, 2008 at 8:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

always hating

Posted by Equitable_Enforcer on September 10, 2008 at 8:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There is no such thing as a Mexican-American or African American. One is either an American or a Mexican or African. Enough of these feel good titles. They are divisive in nature.

Posted by FedUp on September 10, 2008 at 9:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"BTW, we do celebrate something as a nation, it's called the 4th of July."

sorry, but we (US citizens) get ONE day to celebrate our independence. Latino's get 35 days (more than one month) to celebrate their heritage? sorry folks. if you are a US citizen, you should be celebrating your rights as an American on the Fourth of July, like all the other proud American Citizens.

sounds like another politician is pandering for future votes by making one group of people happy.

Posted by Hueneme1961 on September 10, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

In oxnard everyday is Latino/immigrants/illegals Heritage day.

For the Record big differnce between immigrants and illegals.i have No problems with immigrants just illegals.If It was right they wouldn't need to sneak in.

I myself could care less I will not be going downtown. its to dangerous and not somewhere i would bring my family.

Posted by Hueneme1961 on September 10, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with fed up

Posted by Latina_805 on September 10, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

In oxnard everyday is Latino/immigrants/illegals Heritage day.

And the difference between these 3 is? From what I know we have the same heritage.

You might want to stop by, and experience something new, open to a different culture. What's wrong with Plaza Park? I see a lot of white people for the Salsa Festival. Oh right, it's Mexican Independece Day, a bunch of Latinos/immigrants/illegals.

Posted by Latina_805 on September 10, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Cam- As long as your bring the Patron! ;)

Posted by just_a_thought on September 10, 2008 at 9:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Onelove: My reference was made to the printed article. I didn't feel it necessary to comment on anything other than what the article was about.

JuniorMAFIA: What is wrong with everyone celebrating, together, being an American? Celebrations such as the already mentioned 4th of July, perhaps celebrating the American family unit with events such as block and/or beach parties, celebrations that would promote unity and pride in the city of Oxnard such as clean-up days or festivals that do not promote one ethnicity with the exclusion of all of the rest...just a few suggestions. Oh, and with the American flag flying proudly as these United States are where we all live at the moment!

(just for the record, I was born and raised in Oxnard...that would be 50 some-odd years! I think that qualifies me as an Oxnard "native"!)

Posted by Latina_805 on September 10, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

lol camdad, where'd u get that word from?

Posted by FedUp on September 10, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

for the record camparent, christmas has already been banned. it is now the "winter holiday". we are closer to that then you might think.

but 35 days??? give the greeks a month as well then. :) I could use the extra ouzo (I dont know how to spell it).

Posted by Hueneme1961 on September 10, 2008 at 9:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And the difference between these 3 is

To me. Two of them came here the right way.

I know I am dreaming but would be nice to hear us saying we all Americans. No matter what race but some make that hard with stuff like this. Everyone always trying to be different or special.
It’s our Difference’s that keep us apart. My hope is that being American would bring us together. But we all know that people don't come here to be American they come to make money.

You might want to stop by, and experience something new, open to a different culture.

I have lived here since 1976 i am sure i have seen enough culture.What I don't see is USA Patriotism.

Posted by just_a_thought on September 10, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sooooo, if my ancestors were Native American, French, English and German maybe I should expect a month-long celebration for each of those? That gives me 4 months out of the year - include Black history month and Latino heritage month and we are up to 6 months out of 12. I am sure some of you are representative of a few other countries.....Italy, Philipines, Samoa, Viet Nam, Scotland, China, Japan. Uh-oh, looks like we may have to rework the calendar as we know it, 12 months isn't going to be long enough!!

Just sayin....fair is fair. Right??

Posted by brwnoso on September 10, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'll be selling frijoles, make sure you eat some.
Soy frijolero

Posted by Latina_805 on September 10, 2008 at 9:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Everyone always trying to be different or special.

Whether I want to or not, I will always be different. If you see me out on the streets, you will classify me as a Latina because of the color of my skin, and features. I don't try to be different, I can't change that.

It’s our Difference’s that keep us apart.

We are a huge melting pot, I enjoy Japanese art, Filipino food, Latin music. I think it's our difference's make us unite.

Posted by Latina_805 on September 10, 2008 at 10:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It's Oxnard, doing this. Black History Month is National.

Posted by just_a_thought on September 10, 2008 at 10:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hueneme1961 - nicely stated!

JuniorMAFIA - If you will reread my post it says "the already mentioned 4th of July" which meant it had already been mentioned but I was including it to make it part of my list of things to celebrate as Americans. And my "what is wrong with...." comment was referring to "everyone celebrating, TOGETHER, being an American". Also, it is always nice to meet another Oxnard "native", however, I don't see where your question about me "suggesting" that you are "anti-American" came from. I have reread my post and don't see that insinuation made any where.

I know that everytime the Star prints an article like this these boards immediately go "racial". That, however, is not my intent, so please don't go there. Please read my posts for the words I have written as I will do with yours.

Posted by just_a_thought on September 10, 2008 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

JuniorMAFIA - Just so I know, could you please tell me WHO I am "trying to place it on"??? Don't be so full of yourself and presume to know my thoughts. I don't post often but I do read these boards regularly so I am familiar with many of your posts and always accept them as your voice, your opinion. Please afford me the same...my opinion...without trying to embelish my comments to insight uproar among the other posters.

Posted by LivinInPoorMansPV on September 10, 2008 at 10:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey now...what about Octoberfest!?!?! Now that is some real celebrating SOUFA!

Posted by just_a_thought on September 10, 2008 at 10:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Camparent101 - gotta give ya that one! Very good!

Posted by Freedom1 on September 10, 2008 at 10:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hope this doesn't spoil the celebration:
http://www.venturacountystar.com/news...

Posted by coach04 on September 10, 2008 at 10:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Im happy to see that we everyone who is not hispanic,lantino, or Mexican can see my culture. My culture represents family,and peace.

I hope everyone who may think twice should take there family. Much food, drinks, and music. I will be the one who will walk around with a Mexican and America flag. You wont miss me. Yes I am Mexican.

Posted by just_a_thought on September 10, 2008 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

JuniorMAFIA - Yes, you were wrong. Now, truce?!

Posted by yn805 on September 10, 2008 at 10:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

YOU GUYS DON'T GET THE POINT THE CITY WANT TO MAKE MONEY AND WHAT ELSE THEN THESE FIESTAS. HEY IS NO FAIR TO DRIVE TO SANTA BARBARA FOR SPANISH FIESTAS EVERY YEAR IF WE HAVE SO MUCH CULTURE HERE YOU KNOW MORE LATINOS AND BY THE WAY TOURIST LIKE THAT SO THATS MORE MONEY FOR THE CITY AND MORE JOBS!

Posted by Franko on September 10, 2008 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Camparent-Deep down inside I think you are a Latino, an educated one. Cuidado!

Posted by coach04 on September 10, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hueneme1961 why would you not want to take your family?

Wouldnt you want your kids to see other cultures since they live with more Mexican Americans?

My culture envites everyone. We dont care what your skin color is. Like I mentioned on the previous comments. My culture represents family. I hope to see you and your family there. I'm sure that your kids would like the music, art, and food.

Posted by coach04 on September 10, 2008 at 10:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My culture is not about gangs, stabbings, or drugs.

I keep seeing these comments. In any city or state you have gangs and drugs by every race.

You have black, whites, asian....etc. My culture is about family. Thats why when we have celebrations everyone from the family goes and celebrate.

Those of you non-latinos should input that with your family. Its a beautiful thing when the entire family is together.

Posted by brwnoso on September 10, 2008 at 10:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I hope alot of people attend and see what our heritage is all about. We will be there with open arms, respect and love for everyone to see and enjoy.

Posted by coach04 on September 10, 2008 at 10:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Waz-up all my Latinos brothers and sisters. I hope to see you all there representing your culture.

Lets show everyone how we do it. CHICANO STYLE!

Posted by coach04 on September 10, 2008 at 10:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

brwnbear you couldnt have said it better.

Posted by coach04 on September 10, 2008 at 10:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tell me....Even if your not Latino, or Hispanic, your trying to tell me you dont like tacos de asada, or de pastor? Beans and rice served on warm tortilla with fresh salsa driking it down with a cold Modelo, or Cororna squized with a lime.

Darn that sounds good. Eating your food while listing to beautiful Mexican Music. Down for that thank God that I'm Mexican and 100% proud of it.

Posted by coach04 on September 10, 2008 at 11:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry Camparent101....I cook on the side. I have my own business and many say that I make some of the best tacos.

I love to cook for people.

Posted by Latina_805 on September 10, 2008 at 11:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

coach- how much do you charge for 100 ppl? I have a party in a couple of weeks.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on September 10, 2008 at 11:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

COACH:
So long as I don't have to listen to Kid Frost one more time.....I'm cool.

Posted by brwnoso on September 10, 2008 at 11:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

coach04- you know how we mexicans say(la prueba)
so when you cooking for all of us for taste tests, lol

Posted by coach04 on September 10, 2008 at 11:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The best way to eat tacos is: Make sure that your Tortilas is nice and hot, then put in your pastor celantro, onins, and fresh salsa.

I dip my tortilas in a red sauce that I make my pastor with....When you eat your tacos if its not dripping down the side of your cheek then your taco was not prepaired properley.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on September 10, 2008 at 11:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

reh58: That's just another ignorant comment. Have you met "Whatever"...I think you two would get along.

Posted by Hueneme1961 on September 10, 2008 at 11:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hueneme1961 why would you not want to take your family?

Thats funny like you said both my boys go to school with nothing but Latino/immigrants/illegals At sunkist i think my kid is the only white kid.I don'ty have to go down town for that. We see the the ten familys per house . we get it your all about family. We see the mexican flags flying . We get it. I have issues with anything like this.it just makes for more differnce's. I know some will say i am racist but thats far from he truth. I love anyone who puts usa first.I just don't see that happening. Lots of our kids Mine yours ,are fighting for our country.even if i disagree with that.I still have to think of them first flying another counrty flags is just wrong.Maybe while your downtown eating tacos. you could tell them to be good americans too. they seem to have there
culture down. Anyone can drink and eat. :)

Posted by bbbdugout on September 10, 2008 at 11:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

in france, they celebrate french culture; in germany, they celebrate german culture; in canada they celebrate canadian culture; get the point - in the United States it would seem to me that we should celebrate our culture - you know, wave American flags and so on -

Posted by coach04 on September 10, 2008 at 11:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Latina_805 email me at atarin004@yahoo.com....My tacos are the best.

I make fresh beans, rice with yellow corn, and if you want two big glass punch bowls for water of lemonaid, ochata, or freshly made tamarindo. Hope to hear from you and anyone else who is interested.

Posted by coach04 on September 10, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Last year I cooked for all of AYSO in Santa Paula.

Posted by coach04 on September 10, 2008 at 11:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Like I mentioned anyone who may dout my cooking ask anyone who played for AYSO in Santa Paula. Tacos where grate. I have my meat..ie asada or pastor sitting for 36 hours in its juices. When I cook the meat you can smell it more that a mile away.

And when you taste it youll smile from ear to ear. I have people waiting and not moving from the line just to get more tacos. I love to cook for everyone. The thing is I also work fulltime and coach. When I have time I dont mind cooking for people.

Posted by coach04 on September 10, 2008 at 11:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

By the way I also celebrate Fourth of July. I put up the American Flag. I teach my kids about America but I make sure that they understand 100% of there culture.

Being Mexican is a blessing from God. I am proud of it.

I also understand that thousands lost there lives in order for us to have our freedom. But if you read the article we Latinos/Hispanic must never forget where we came from.....

Posted by coach04 on September 10, 2008 at 11:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

paul_at_pandadesigns_dot_net I can see how you feel but if we are given a chance for EVERYONE to come together to have a chance to laugh, eat, and drink why not? Think about it.....Lets say you have kids they would be able to paint there face, hear different music, and learn something they may not have the chance to see everyday.

My old saying is this....We are going to always have wars but if we can just put down our guns, knives for just 30 min and eat good food, and talk for a little then go back to fighting. We would all be happier...Understood?

Posted by Hueneme1961 on September 10, 2008 at 11:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

lol for the record i love Tacos I bet i love most of you to.I just think we should all have at least one thing in common.Love of the U.S.A. Seems like we are losing that. Have a great time enjoy yourselfs.

Posted by coach04 on September 10, 2008 at 11:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry reh58 you feel that way. Im glad that there are little who feel the way you feel.

If I fought for the red, white, and blue and almost lost my life why cant I put the two flags that represent who my family is. Mexican/American Flag and I will always have that even if you go down my street.

Posted by Latina_805 on September 10, 2008 at 11:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hueneme1961
I do love the US, very much. But I can't forget my heritage or my ancestors, because I'm an American. When I go to the Placita and hear the 'grito', it's very emotional and powerful because it stands for something. Mexico's Independence. Yes Latinos love food, music, and alcohol but it's more than just that to us. To someone looking from the outside that's all they see.

I think IGNORANCE is what seperates us.

Posted by coach04 on September 10, 2008 at 11:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

reh58 no hard feelings but I hope that you are not a USC fan. GO OS....By the way I am a Bruins fan...Go UCLA!!

Posted by coach04 on September 10, 2008 at 11:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I will say this last thing....I was in Foster Homes all my life growing up...Being in Foster Homes I was not able to speak spanish nor was I able to celebrate my culture.

That is why I feel the way I feel. My family is very much together. Like someone said Mexican culture is not just about drinking,eating,dancing, we celebrate many things but mostly we practice our religion and to make sure that our familys stay together.

Posted by Latina_805 on September 10, 2008 at 11:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

paul_at_pandadesigns_dot_net
The city is paying for what specifically?

Posted by brwnoso on September 10, 2008 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

CAMDAD, YOU HAVE MY RESPECT

Posted by FedUp on September 10, 2008 at 12:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am just impressed that coach is actually putting a few words together that are spelled correctly.
and we get it coach. you love to cook, and your food is great. enough is enough.

just because people do not think our tax dollars should be supporting a month long festival for another culture, does not make them a racist.

Posted by FedUp on September 10, 2008 at 12:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

one more thing.

I will be hosting a month long Danish, German, Spanish, Puerto Rican and Pennsylvanian Dutch festival at my home. Feel free to stop in for some beer, brauts, pastries, and paella. oh yeah, and also some burgers and dogs. I will be proudly flying the one flag that this country does represent. Old Glory. :)

Posted by Latina_805 on September 10, 2008 at 12:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think a food vendor needs to pay the city like $300-$400 to have a booth. Most performers, Senor Gomez included volunteer and don't get paid. So where does our city use our tax dollars?

Posted by byteme on September 10, 2008 at 12:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

For those of you that are complaining, if you don’t like it or agree with it then don’t go or read about the festivities …simple as that

Posted by Hueneme1961 on September 10, 2008 at 12:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm of German decent also but don't hear me calling myself a german american or waving a german flag.When is rome....

Hueneme1961
I do love the US, very much. But I can't forget my heritage or my ancestors, because I'm an American.

No one is asking anyone to forget there heritage.I just wonder what comes first.Seems like your saying your heritage comes first counrty second.I just was never like that.

I think IGNORANCE is what seperates us. and i see it daliy.

Posted by Hueneme1961 on September 10, 2008 at 12:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

FedUp will there be free parking ?

Posted by FedUp on September 10, 2008 at 12:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

paul answered the questions regarding tax dollars.
JM - since I am an american, I drink Coors light only! none of that heiny crap, or corona stuff.
free parking will be found at my neighbors house down the street, since he so kindly paved over his entire front yard. apparently, he was tired of having all his family members parking in front of the neighbors houses.

Posted by coach04 on September 10, 2008 at 12:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Relax FedUp...You need to chill...Nice to see we have someone checking over our spelling.

Now eat a taco or two and relax.......

Posted by coach04 on September 10, 2008 at 12:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

paul_at_pandadesings_dot_net you should run for office since you feel so strong about the goverment's spending....

Posted by latina79 on September 10, 2008 at 12:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Santa Barbara celebrates every year 'Old Spanish Days' Fiestas. Does anyone have a problem with that?

Posted by coach04 on September 10, 2008 at 12:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Please no Coors, its taste like water.

Posted by FedUp on September 10, 2008 at 12:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

coach, I was making a snide comment towards you, based on the spelling mistakes you had in our last debate. I dont need to "chill". your spelling was absolutely HORRIBLE. it is much better now.

and I do enjoy tacos. I prefer fish tacos though. much healthier.

no guiness. I dont like the Irish. remember, I am a racist. :)

Posted by Hueneme1961 on September 10, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fed up

free parking will be found at my neighbors house down the street, since he so kindly paved over his entire front.

There are a few homes on my street like that.Maybe they should figure out a way to have a city tax on the amount of cars you park in driveways/street/grass.In Hueneme at least they make they move the ones that don't run.

Posted by aroseoce on September 10, 2008 at 12:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm jealous.. but I hope I can make time to check it out.
My heritage is Portuguese, and the only festas we have are either in San Diego, Pismo Beach, or pretty much all of the coast of NorCal.
My fiance's parents are from Mexico, so you can bet I'm addicted to authentic, Mexican food...
Ceviche anyone?!

Posted by brwnoso on September 10, 2008 at 1:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

couldn't of said it better camparent

Posted by byteme on September 10, 2008 at 1:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hope thy have raspadas there!

Posted by mac_tire_224 on September 10, 2008 at 1:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Camparent, excellent post. I agree with Junior regarding the STAR's interpretation. And thanks Camparent, I did the diet coke through my nose thing again.

Posted by aroseoce on September 10, 2008 at 1:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Camparent- I think you've earned a margarita... Blue Curacao perhaps?

Posted by MidTwn on September 10, 2008 at 1:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

All cultures offer something special to this country. I was born in the USA and I am proud to be CHICANO!

Posted by FedUp on September 10, 2008 at 1:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

All cultures offer something special to this country. I was born in the USA and I am proud to be WHITE!!!

am I a racist?

Posted by NenaLatina30 on September 10, 2008 at 1:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Everyone got lost 4 about a week..!! Hello there Latina 805, junior mafia, CAmdad, and Osito Cafe...

RC- Do u mean Raspados???

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Posted by byteme on September 10, 2008 at 1:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

NenaLatina30...yea that's what I mean Raspados. I am a Pocha

Posted by NenaLatina30 on September 10, 2008 at 1:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

RC no worry so am I.... :-)

Posted by Beachguy on September 10, 2008 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Doesn’t it seem that Oxnard celebrates Mexican heritage on a daily basis? I am all for celebrating heritage, but when it turns to gang related violence (which happens everyday in downtown) it's time to put forth some sort of agency to regulate that activity, the police are overwhelmed and need HELP. I mean really, most people just want to live lives and become citizens the correct way, but Oxnard houses over 75% illegal residents and I'm paying for most of their insurance services (and more)
Celebrate heritage, it's a wonderful thing but conduct yourselves in a fashion that is civil and try to put away the guns and violence.

Posted by JohnGC on September 10, 2008 at 1:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

A 35 day day month long celebration? How does that work?

Posted by dym2u26 on September 10, 2008 at 1:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

RC and NenaLatina30, I am a pocha too!!! and proud of it.

Posted by fmr805 on September 10, 2008 at 1:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My, my, my what mis-informed and ignorant comment on here!

For those of you who don't understand why we celebrate cultures (especially your OWN), it is to share what makes your culture unique ie: music, food, etc. If we could all go to these events every so often we may take some benefit from it. Ie: understanding

TOLERANCE anyone? Some of you are so narrow-minded.

Also, EVERY day for the most part of U.S. history is white-man's day! Who runs this country? Who runs industry? Who comprises most of the authors in the U.S.? Who writes and distributes most of the news, history books and creates our laws?

They have St. Patrick's Day. That's fine by me.

PS Mr. Gomez has been a great advocate for youth and culture for many years. I commend his efforts.

Get a clue people!

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on September 10, 2008 at 2:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Beachguy: Too much sun for you brotha. 75% sounds like it was pulled out of your arse...and btw, what illegal gets insurance services? That doesn't make sense.

Posted by Beachguy on September 10, 2008 at 2:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

fmr805: TOLERANCE? How much more should EVERYONE (not just the office holding white folks) stand for all of this violence that's committed by GANG MEMBERS who are 95% Hispanic? If they were WHITE TRASH then we'd be discussing them, but in this city and in this case we're not. St. Patrick’s day? do you know why it's celebrated? Narrow minded? My favorite food: Mexican food. My Favorite type of chick: Mexican. It’s not about bashing the other cultures, it’s just about have a PEACEFUL celebration instead of all of that gang related violence that happens in downtown Oxnard... and I’ve been here for 40+ years if you're so unhappy about the so called WHITE folks running the country, then DO something about it. BUT unfortunately ILLEGAL IMIGRANTS CANNOT VOTE SON!

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on September 10, 2008 at 2:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

CAMPARENT: Good looking out homie. (for your prior posts)

Posted by PuertoRicanQueen on September 10, 2008 at 2:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey High_Society, are you puerto rican??

Posted by Beachguy on September 10, 2008 at 2:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ok mabye I was out of whack on my percentages, but it IS up there... Again, I GREW UP HERE! went to school here, work, sleep and live... and I'm not the only one who's a little tired of hearing all the sirens go off because someone was stabbed, shot etc. it's getting old thats all.
I LOVE this town and would like to see it grow and reach it's potential.

Posted by Latina_805 on September 10, 2008 at 2:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

paul_at_pandadesigns_dot_net
they've hired a consultant, Richard Keer, to organize the event.

'they' who?

Usually they have sponsors, as well as the Mexican Consulate in Oxnard.

Posted by fmr805 on September 10, 2008 at 2:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Beachguy

Your igorance truly baffles me. How you connect a cultural heritage celebration with gang violence is beyond me? First, it hasn't even taken place yet and somehow you're anticipating gang activity or violence? Love your optimism. Second, you, yourself partake and appreciate some of this cultural's benefits ie: food, women, which should make you a tad more open to the event??? And finally, I am a college-educated, U.S. citizen! And why do you refer to me as son? How about 'boy'? OR better yet MUJER!

Posted by fmr805 on September 10, 2008 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hola JuniorMAFIA. Long time fan here. ;)

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on September 10, 2008 at 2:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Beachguy: FYI...gangs in general are not 95% Hispanic. Another false statistic. Also, MOST Latinos in VC do not endorse activities perpetuated via the gang-culture. Which means, MOST Latinos at this event will not be participating in any gang activities that may errupt. Police should be at the event just like Police are the at the event for Conejo Valley Days. No difference.

Posted by Beachguy on September 10, 2008 at 2:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Agreed JuniorMAFIA... BTW: your name is a little intimidating, why the MAFIA at the end?

Posted by Beachguy on September 10, 2008 at 2:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

and BTW I'll be attending the festivities, just like I attend all of them (Salsa, Strawberry etc) etc. Because I believe in supporting the town I grew up in. I'm just SICK of all the violence and needed to vent I guess... you guys/gals have to agree with that.

Posted by Beachguy on September 10, 2008 at 2:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

fmr805: LOL, point taken SIR

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on September 10, 2008 at 2:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Beachguy: "and I'm not the only one who's a little tired of hearing all the sirens go off "

You're soooo right there....you and all the non-gangbanging Latinos in Oxnard (we're talking about MOST of the people by the way) are also fed up. Throw in all the other ethnicities in Oxnard and take a step back. Now....how again are you making the correlation? The majority of the people celebrating are not gangmembers and we won't have any problems so long as they don't play Kid Frost.

BTW, Latino gangmembers are looked down upon by Latino much like most white people look down on their local White Supremacists. Stupid is stupid regardless of ethnicity.

Posted by fmr805 on September 10, 2008 at 2:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Beachguy

Thanks for the admission. I TOO am extremely frustrated with the violence!

But, please do remember that there are other people in the spectrum like the women you date, myself and JuniorMAFIA who also comprise and represent the culture.

Sadly those gang members are on the other end of the spectrum. Let us NOT empower them further by allowing them to control our fears.

Posted by NenaLatina30 on September 10, 2008 at 2:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We are ALL fed up with the violence here...Aren't we all???

Posted by letsbekind2eachother on September 10, 2008 at 2:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Now, now children. I sense a lot of anger and bitterness. Why can't we just take this article for what it is? It is a positive thing. They are not talking about "a suspect" or a tragedy. We are talking about children whose parents have decided to involve them in positive activities. Not all Hispanic parents rely on the government to assist them. That's a stereotype. That's like saying that all white folks are sitting somewhere near the freeways begging for money. That wouldn't be right. Unfortunately, there is bad in every culture, in every ethnic group but you cannot label all people of the same color as illegal or gang members or unemployed. Please be kind. And if you feel left out, the city will hold its annual Multicultural Festival next month. And please don't say you are afraid to attend because it’s not safe! It is a very family oriented event. You might actually enjoy it! Every culture has so much to share------if only so many weren't so closed-minded. Oh, and before you go on to say something mean to me, I am not an illegal and no one in my family is either and we don't rely on the government for support. I believe every culture should be celebrated. As a matter of fact, Oktoberfest anyone????

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on September 10, 2008 at 2:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Kindness-Schmindness!

Posted by Beachguy on September 10, 2008 at 2:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well I do agree with you all and WILL attend the festivities because this is my town as well... white, black, hispanic, asian what ever... I think we're all agree that it's time the anger/violence comes to an end or subsides a little (somehow)

Posted by brwnoso on September 10, 2008 at 2:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The sad part of all this is how so many people have lotta negativity towards our latino heritage day. It makes me wonder what kind of life this people live. They say there not racist but there comments are very unfavorable.

Posted by CALA on September 10, 2008 at 2:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I saw the headline for this article on the printed paper today and thought, wow thats going to generate a whole lot of comments online.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on September 10, 2008 at 2:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Beachguy: "Well I do agree with you all and WILL attend the festivities because this is my town as well"

That's GREAT!

Just don't forget to bring along your bullet-proof vest in case of a drive-by....J/K!!!!

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on September 10, 2008 at 2:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Paul: Don't be such a cheap-@ss! I'm sure your tax dollars go to other city events and projects that you also wouldn't support. If you want to have YOUR tax dollars go to ONLY where YOU want them to go...that's absurd.

Posted by Beachguy on September 10, 2008 at 2:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BabyzDaddy_01 LOL! CLASSIC!

Posted by WarpKat on September 10, 2008 at 3:01 p.m.

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Posted by spulido805 on September 10, 2008 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm not tired of hearing of the latino's
I'm proud to be CHICANA.......

Posted by Latina_805 on September 10, 2008 at 3:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

paul_at_pandadesigns_dot_net

5-9:30 pm - Fiestas Patrias - El Grito de Independencia
Plaza Park - 5th and "C" Streets
SPONSORED by: Comité Cultural Mexicano / Consulado de México

11:30 am - 1:30 pm Concert at Plaza Park
SPONSORED by Radio Lazer

6-9 pm - Local Entrepreneur Succeeds in Latin America
Center for International Trade Development (CITD) Business Seminar
Banco BuenaVentura - 5th and A Streets, Oxnard
805.986.5896 -SPONSORED by EDCO

2-4 PM Hermanos Herrera in Concert at Seabridge Ampitheater
Wooley Road and Victoria Avenue
Hermanos Herrera perform with an aggressive and energetic style that is both passionate and exhilarating They remain truly authentic in their interpretation of various styles of traditional Mexican music, including huasteco, jarocho, and norteño
SPONSORED by: Arlene Beckwith-REMAX Gold Coast Realtors

And as far as Richard Keer, the name doesn't even sound like a Latino. SO WHO CARES who paid him...

Posted by FedUp on September 10, 2008 at 3:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"SO WHO CARES who paid him..."

the taxpayers who would rather not have this festival, that is who cares. seriously, if the city wants to fund events like this, they should get donations from private citizens who want something like this going on. our tax dollars go to too many things, that they should not go to.

Paul has repeatedly answered your questions about it, yet you all ignore his answers. classic left wing attitude.

Posted by brwnoso on September 10, 2008 at 3:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

reh58, you must be the only person that is sick of hearing it. Just stop reading the comments and move on into something else, if you really don't like what is written here. Oh by the way I will be having the American flag and the Mexican flag flying high in the sky. I'll also drink some patron and don julio in your name.

Posted by Latina_805 on September 10, 2008 at 3:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm with Jr...let's party!

Sept 19
6:30 pm Tequila and Appetizer Tasting
by La Dolce Vita $30
Heritage Square - 715 S. "A" Street
Reservations 805.486.6878

Posted by Latina_805 on September 10, 2008 at 3:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What about all the renevue coming in from the Food Vendors? They pay the city about $300 for a booth. All you see is money going out, but don't see the $$$ to the city.

Posted by lawabider on September 10, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Okay, so I've been previously banned by the Star because my comments "on illegal immigration are too emotionally charged"... so, I'm going to try again...

I'm all for "can't we all just get along" -- what I SEE, however, is the failure to assimilate. If we can all expand our playground and accept that we are all equals and are entitled to equal rights UNDER THE LAW, we WOULD get along just fine...

If immigrants want to come to America to have a better way of life, they need to leave their Flag at home and assimilate (do what it takes to "fit in" with the society already in progress)... By segregating themselves, demanding rights, and waving their flags, they are BOUND to meet with opposition. The Americans that are offended by illegal immigration are called names (i.e., racists, haters, etc.) and that's not even close to the truth. To say we feel violated would be more accurate. Raising your flag on foreign soil is an act of war. The American government is NOT addressing this and the American people are left to defend their country the only way they know how (which is to complain outloud about it)... right or wrong, this IS what is happening... As we can all see by the comments on this very board, what's taking place is working out well for NO ONE...

Accepting diversity and celebrating it would be the preferable way to go... Drop your hostile pride in your heritage, acknowledge it for the roots that grew you and move into the climate of world peace already...

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Posted by lawabider on September 10, 2008 at 3:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

aside to Junior -- I was posting directly to YOU for weeks before I found out I was the ONLY one who could see my posts... way too freakin' funny!! At least the Star, for all its other lacks, DOES INDEED have a sense of humor...

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on September 10, 2008 at 3:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Paul: really...think about it. If the majority of Oxnard's residents are Latino...it only makes sense that the city contributes to a fund that celebrates Latino Heritage and Culture. The MAJORITY of the taxes being paid in the city thru sales tax and property taxes from the non-business ownwer segment are from the mostly Latino population. To label one a socialist because one sees potential in supporting a celebration for a particular ethnicity (which also happens to be a majority of your inhabitants) is highly judgemental, simple-minded and myopic. Seeing things as: "if you believe in promoting society in any way" makes you a socialist. You want to see REAL socialism? Go to Cuba or China. You want to see Facism...vote for the GOP ticket.

Posted by Latina_805 on September 10, 2008 at 3:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

paul_at_pandadesigns_dot_net

You should contact Ed Sotelo, City Manager, and ask who paid Richard Keer.

Let us celebrate our beautiful heritage. VIVA LA INDEPENDENCIA!

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on September 10, 2008 at 3:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Paul: Believing EVERYTHING decision made by government should follow ONLY capitalistic views is dangerous and rather short-sighted.

Posted by spulido805 on September 10, 2008 at 3:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

babbyzdaddy
That was said perfect...

Posted by Beachguy on September 10, 2008 at 3:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Quick Poll: Who are you folks voting for?

Obama or McCain?

I'm about DONE with the republicans in office and their right winged religious crapola, its time to make some changes (407 billion in debt is a good reason as well)

VOTE!

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on September 10, 2008 at 3:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

lawabider: Raising a foreign flag on U.S. soil and claiming it for the country the flag represents does not ALONE constitute an act of war. Sounds out of context to me.

As for having to asimilate to the country where you reside. It's facist move to say that the only flag to be flown in the country should be the U.S. flag. Mis-interpreting the flying of a foreign flag in the U.S. is idiotic and borderline paranoid and neurotic. Talk about taking something to an extreme.

Next you'll say that those who don't own a U.S. flag are not patriotic? Come on. Every citizen who lives here knows VERY well what country they are a citizen of. For you to insinuate that we need to be like you, or else we're not a much of a citizen/patriot as you, is absurd. The leadership of this country pushes "Freedom" on everyone...yet...more and more, people like you insist on explaining that "Freedom" with conditions.

In my opinion, and I think I'm not alone, having pride in the country from where you and your ancestors came from is not un-patriotic, nor as obscene as you make it out to be.

Posted by lawabider on September 10, 2008 at 3:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Paul, thanks for reading my comment! I agree that the right to wave any flag of your choice falls under the "freedom of speech" category, but I also SEE that it promotes hostility... I would not walk up to someone and intentionally insult them and SOME Americans feel insulted by such actions...

Just sayin' is all (trademark of Junior Mafia, copyright 2008 -- where do I send my infringement check?)

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on September 10, 2008 at 3:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"I'm not saying I'm always right...I'm just never wrong."

LOL (TM)

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on September 10, 2008 at 3:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BTW: Freedom of Speech ONLY applies to the censorship by the government against the people. It in no way applies to a private party censoring the people. Thus, we have rules on this thread enforced by our friends at the Star at their discretion.

Posted by brwnoso on September 10, 2008 at 3:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

latina, tequila tasting sound like a good place to enjoy some tequila. Well have a good one everyone.
Y como dice el dicho vale mas que haiga un loco y no dos.

Posted by lawabider on September 10, 2008 at 3:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Babyzdaddy -- wasn't my CHOICE, just my opinion... You don't admit that some folks are hostile toward that action? I, personally, don't care one way or the other about flags -- I was just addressing WHY some folks feel the way they do about illegal immigration... And before you cast any stones in my direction, be advised that I fully support LEGAL immigration... I'm married to the most wonderful Mexican in California!!! And I enjoy diversity... Don't direct your hate toward me, please!

Posted by spulido805 on September 10, 2008 at 3:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BabyzDaddy_01
lol...

Posted by brwnoso on September 10, 2008 at 3:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

AMIGOS(VALE MAS QUE HAIGA UN LOCO Y NO DOS)

Posted by Latina_805 on September 10, 2008 at 3:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

goodnight Brwnbear!

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on September 10, 2008 at 3:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

paul: "You honestly feel government intervention was necessary in this circumstance to preserve the protection of liberties and maintain societal order?"

Let's just call in the troops and declare martial law while you're at it huh? You're really "black and white aren't you"? People like you scare me.

Ever heard of doing something for the people? Maybe celebrating the diversity of the city would encourage more people to stay in the City and heaven-forbid re-visit the storefronts of those vendors on display at the festival. To re-kindle the sense of community and even to encourage people to get out and talk to one another. You suppose it might be easier to protect the liberties and maintain societal order in a city that is united or divided? Or is it too much to ask that you consider a different perspective?

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on September 10, 2008 at 4 p.m. (Suggest removal)

lawabider: "I'm married to the most wonderful Mexican in California!!! And I enjoy diversity... Don't direct your hate toward me, please!"

Wifey? Is that you?..whatchu' doin' on these boards?

LOL

Posted by CALA on September 10, 2008 at 4:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There have been a few articles in the past few months regarding other heritage festivals yet they generated few to no comments:

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news...
http://www.venturacountystar.com/news...
http://www.venturacountystar.com/news...
http://www.venturacountystar.com/news...

ummm....
maybe every one should attend the Multicultural Festival
http://www.venturacountystar.com/news...

Posted by getreal on September 10, 2008 at 4:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey! Shooting at a strip mall on Saviers. Why does the Start have nothing? Happened almost an hour ago

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on September 10, 2008 at 4:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Paul:
To suggest that a "just" society is based on a axiomatic (intrinsic) belief in liberty or a pragmatic (subjective) belief that uses the practical outcome of capitalism is a stretch. Abstract ideas don't exist in a vacuum, and thus the concept of liberty needs to be validated by a process of reason with an underlying philosophy of rational selfishness, reason, and objective reality.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on September 10, 2008 at 4:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Paul: "Everything you just said could be done by a private charity or institution, supported through donations by the individuals who feel such a cause would be worthwhile to a community. We don't need to wait for or expect the government to step in and do it, we can do it ourselves."

This already happens. To various degrees, there are already such privately funded celebrations held throughout the city, county, state and country. You simply don't want to pay taxes in the first place...let alone pay taxes that go to an event that does not include you.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on September 10, 2008 at 4:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

high_society is a HER???? What?

Posted by Latina_805 on September 10, 2008 at 4:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

a shooting really?

Posted by getreal on September 10, 2008 at 4:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

On Saviers somewhere between Bard and CI

Posted by camarillomomma on September 10, 2008 at 4:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I know i'm kinda behind on here, but I missed Camdads post that he got mad props for!!! hook me up pls someone.. JrMafStud or Camdad/Camparent not sure which one to call you these days.. But you know who you are!! and yaay.. food/fun/and drinks i'm down for that!!

Posted by CALA on September 10, 2008 at 4:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I believe these festivals are meant to help to understand the specific heritage that is being celebrated, but I think people are missing the point.
paul_at_pandadesigns_dot_net I understand what you are saying about tax $$ and I do agree but(sorry to sound so rude I honestly don't mean to be disrespectful) please don't comment back to me reitterating your previous comments, my comments were meant for everyone.

Posted by Latina_805 on September 10, 2008 at 4:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

anymore details? Did they catch the shooter? Anybody injured, street closures?

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on September 10, 2008 at 4:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Paul: "The concept of limited government and fiscal conservatism is something that is greater reaching than the subscription to the philiosphy of Objectivism."

Yes, but what kind of society would you create by limiting government and holding to fiscal conservatism? Do you honestly believe that fiscal conservatism at the government level is a REAL possibility? Seriously? With your belief, we'd have a society where "if were born into it, you're set, but if you were not born into it, you're screwed". I was not subscribing to Rand, I was merely pointing out that your expectations may be un-realistic and un-reasonable considering that the country is not solely made up of people just like you...or just like me.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on September 10, 2008 at 4:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rcamacho: America...in and of itself does not have a specific culture. It's comprised of several and people are free to choose what to believe and celebrate. To compare it to Native American culture was missing the point, I don't believe that when Dubya asks people to be Patriotic, he's saying people should celebrate the Native American culture.

Posted by Latina_805 on September 10, 2008 at 4:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

thanks Paul, maybe we can be friends. =)

I wonder if this was at Taco de Mexico? or in that area.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on September 10, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Paul: I am glad you are optimistic about the giving nature of those who have money to donate. I guess I tend to lean more pessimistically and believe that MOST, when they move into the higher income levels, tend to save their accumulated wealth and not part with it. Only in a society where your belief holds true would that system of private charities funding social programs such as scholarships. Ask yourself, why do people donate money to charity now? If you believe it's because they think they're doing some good for those that benefit from those charities, (the pessimist in me) says you should think again. Not every wealthy individual is a philanthropist. Just my belief, of course.

Posted by dym2u26 on September 10, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I visited Cancun and Alcapulco Mexico a few years ago, during my visit the poeple from Mexico treated me like an illegal, they raised their prices on me when I was by myself, because my spanish was not perfect, they called me a pocha.
My aunt (by marriage) who lives in Cancun had to go and tell the vendors off for raising their prices. She told me when we go shopping, don't talk, just point at what you want and I will buy it. How do you think that made me feel. If I were to go to Mexico waving an American flag, how do you think they would react, not too happy. I was taught to treat others as you would want to be treated. But in Mexico they don't see it that way.
As we were ready to come home from the airport, they wanted to keep me in Mexico, because they said my husband was trying to smuggle me into the U.S. (MAN I LOOK MORE LIKE A POCHA THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE, AND MY SPANISH GIVES ME AWAY THAT I AM A UNITED STATES CITIZEN) They just wanted us to pay, but we didn't, my father-in-law intervened and I came back to Cali, after this awful experience, I don't ever want to go back and visit.

Two weeks ago, my lil cousin was hit by a lady who happened to be an illegal. At the time of the incident, she provided the police officer w/her I.D./immigration card, & drivers lisence from Mex, & proof of ins. The woman was arrested for not getting a CDL in a timely manner, they let her go on O.R. well guess what, the detectives called me to let us know that all the documents the lady gave them was fake. (BTW-she was not a mexican).

Go have fun, eat good food and listen to good music, just don't forget what state you're doing at. =)

Posted by eguzie on September 10, 2008 at 4:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

there you people go again...turning something nice to CRAP

Posted by Latina_805 on September 10, 2008 at 4:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sorry you had such a bad experience and the awful accident.

We don't need a holiday to eat good food, dance, and drink we do it every weekend! I think a lot of you don't understand that it's more than just that. The 'grito' or cry of dolores has a lot of meaning to it. To hear those words, gives me goosebumps and know that my ancestors were there fighting for their independence.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on September 10, 2008 at 5:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Paul: You don't suppose tax benefits have anything to do with donations? I wonder if there's any research on that?

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on September 10, 2008 at 5:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"If someone was really concerned about making as much money as possible, they wouldn't be donating it." Yes...and that's what I'm getting at. Just my pessimistic opinion though. I just can't get behind Bob Barr though....(Jesse Helms)?

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on September 10, 2008 at 5:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Paul: Nice discussion....gotta go.

Posted by beyondoxnard on September 10, 2008 at 5:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The United States gives about .3 percent of their total GNP, if they would simply contribute .7 (what they promised) percent of their GDP annually towards investment in Africa, we could lift 1.1 billion people out of extreme poverty in twenty years

Posted by abbyjacks on September 10, 2008 at 5:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

When is Anglo-Saxton Heritage Month??? Sorry... there is no such thing because white people are considered racist if they want to celebrate their culture with others. And I am not talking about Skin heads or that nonsense.

I am not trying to create a post that is offensive I am trying to point out the fact that in the search of equality you now get reverse racism against white people.

Posted by caokie on September 10, 2008 at 6:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was going to write a post opposing this but after much thought and reading all of these posts durning the day while keeping my clients from running amok, I have changed my mind. I have lived in Oxnard most of my life, we moved from Oklahoma to Ventura in 1963 we moved to Oxnard in 1966. I grew up near all of the packing houses on Mountain View. Where I learned spanish, and alot of the culture. My brothers and me were the only white kids around. I have been married for 22 years to a american of mexican decent as she calls herself. Her father came to the U.S. LEGALLY many years ago. He raised 4 kids and did a good job, he is a awesome man. While my son was growing up in Fresno we took him to the museums ( I know I spelled that wrong) in order to expose him to his culture. Also took him to the music of his culture. He still has the mexican flag given to him by his grandfather. He wanted no part of his culture due to what he has seen of that culture. And living in Fresno he saw a lot. On that point I know I messed up. To get to my point I am going to try and get my son to go to atleast one event. I tried to tell him that his culture is part of him that he can not and should not get away from. If all of these young people out gang banging for their "culture" If they only knew their real culture maybe they would know that they have something to be proud of. Their actions only make their culture weaker, they need to realize that. As I have said here before any one who wants to come to america is welcome as long as they do it legally. We are a big country and we can take in alot of people, but they must obey the law as most of us do. One of my ideas would be have have any taggers in custody or on parole have them work at these events, maybe that will rub off. And show them who they are. Have a good night all.

Posted by chumash1962 on September 10, 2008 at 7:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

with all this bickering ,just remember our troops in war where skin color means nothing ,there all brothers ,white ,black and brown

Posted by jill on September 10, 2008 at 7:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Uh, is the director trying to teach the little girl how to golf?

Posted by kljinusa on September 10, 2008 at 7:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have never been to an Oxnard Festival except for the Strawberry. I am a middle-aged white lady of Swedish extraction (age 54, but still "hot" according to my BF, LOL)residing in Ventura. I love my Mexican brothers & sisters that are assimilated to life in California. In fact I grew up in a town where the Latinos could document their history in the area longer than the Caucasions. I love the food, the folk art,(ie my fancy dinner dishes are Talavera, I'm not a Lenox fine china person). One thing I do not like about the newly introduced (I won't say illegal) is the trash left behind at such events. There was a huge uproar here in Ventura after an Easter Sunday in Arroyo Verde Park, the city had to close the park for a full day after the event just to pick up trash. Join our community, our society, pick up your trash...I think white people would be more accepting also if there wasn't tagging either.

Posted by VOPatrol on September 10, 2008 at 7:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm only second generation American. There is no German flag hanging from my house or a hyphen in my heritage.

And my great grandparents came here legally. Forced out of thier country by a little world war and all, but legal none the less.

Can we have a month-long Caucasian Hertiage Month? Oh wait, that would be racist.

Posted by kljinusa on September 10, 2008 at 8:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BTW, I'm a huge fan of juniorMAFIA & Camdad(parent).
High Society, thanks for trying to make a difference in our community. Robert Worthy & Equitable Enforcer are also high on my list of Star discussion contributors. There are others that give me a chuckle. Everyone is entitled to their opinion...but there are some haters out there. Guess they don't know where else to vent...I suppose I need to respect that as well.

Posted by Brownpride on September 10, 2008 at 11:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't think they ever stopped celebrating?? Does anyone see a difference from last month to now?

Posted by yn805 on September 11, 2008 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ALL THESE PEOPLE COMPLAINING ARE GOING TO BE THE FIRST ONE TO GO TO THE FIESTAS JUST TO SEE AND GUESS WHAT THEY GOING TO LOVE IT!!!!!!!!

Posted by iam_caine on September 11, 2008 at 10:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think it's great. Go ahead and celebrate your heritage. I, however, will not be participating because it is not MY heritage. I don't celebrate Cinco de Mayo because I am not Mexican. I don't celebrate St. Patrick's Day because I am not Irish, and I don't celebrate Bastille day because I am not French. I do, however, celebrate the Lunar New Year, because I AM looney!

Posted by fmr805 on September 11, 2008 at 4:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

abbyjacks . . .

When is Anglo-Saxton Heritage Month??? Sorry... there is no such thing because white people are considered racist . . . you now get reverse racism against white people.

Read my post from yesterday. Most of U.S. history is reflective of the fact that it is and has been white man's day every day. You have been privileged in so many ways for hundreds of years in the areas of education, jobs, income, politics to name a few.

It's not reverse racism. It's plain acknowledgement! It's challenging to understand unless you are a person of color. Your entitled attitude may not quite grasp this concept. You may never get it . . .

Posted by whatevers on September 12, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dym2u26 - yikes! Sorry about the bad exp. But honestly it doesn't happen only in Mex. Im sorry you don't want to go back.
I had a bad exp in Hawaii when I went, they don't like most in the states because they say we destroy the Island and we are always speedig on the roads, at least that's what I was told when I went, I was hurt because I was approached by this girl telling me that I thought I was bad because I lived in Cali but that doesn't stop me from going back, heck no, first chance I get I will be back.
Name calling? Yeah I have been called a pocha many times, to be honest every time I would go to Mexico with my parents that's what they would call me, but sometimes we don't realize we slip and call people names as well, you know when we refer to whites as gringos, red necks etc. etc. :O( not cool.

My 2 cents here or 50 - I would love to have a heritage week or what ever for every culture, I try to sneak in some education to my kids by making things fun and this would be a great idea, we could learn about everyones culture, history, art, everything.
I am not sure why something negative has to come up when the city is only trying to do something fun and different celebrating ones culture.
All those that ask why we don't have more celebrations for Anglo or White, why don't we do something about it instead of getting all pissed off, any ideas?
One thing I do not agree on is the observance is intended only for Oxnard residents. Geesh!

Posted by kelly13 on September 12, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

fmr805-
Who has the "entitled attitude"? I don't see groups of Americans marching down the street with flags from other countries while demanding more freebies from the United States of America.
And these "privileges" you say we have...yes, we got them from hard work and applying ourselves to the opportunities available to us. We took care of ourselves and our families and made America a better place. We didn't tear down our country and demand handouts. We fought for our freedoms, not burn the American flag and protest.We respect the laws of this country and don't consider ourselves above the law.
If you are resentful of what Americans stand for, why stay here?

Posted by whatevers on September 12, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

kelly13- with all do respect,

Why would Americans march down the street with foreign flags demanding more freebies? If they are Americans and live in America, they have it all, housing, welfare, medical?

And when you say "we" did you mean most?

"We get priviliges from hard work" - really you don't have to work at all to get Welfare, medical, housing. Actually if you work really hard you most likely will not qualify for them.

"We didn't tear down down our country and demand handouts" - so what do you call Welfare, housing, medical and everything else that you get for free? Some people get a certain amount of for food stamps and get pissed off because they ask the GOV how they expect to support the kids with measly 300.00 for food. WORK DARN IT!! Thats how!
"We fought for our freedom" - really? How? Has every citizen gone to war for us. NOT! As a matter of fact we have non citizens fighting for us right now.
"We respect the laws of this country" - so why do we have citizens of the US of A of every color in jail. IF we did we wouldn't have any American Citizens in jail.
We dont consider ourselves above the law - really? a lot of times we take matters in our hands.

Don't get me wrong I completely hear and understand your frustrations, but if WE All the American Citizens did everything you claim we do, this would be a lot better place. Now I am not saying illegals or people from other countries don't break the laws they do, oh man they do, and I don't agree with them trying to receive benefits that citizens recieve either.

Posted by fmr805 on September 12, 2008 at 2:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

kelly13

It's evident that you are misinformed about the history of the United States and its formation. It was established by and for white men for their benefit. Not much has evolved from its inception. Not to mention there were already OTHER people living here ie: Native Americans and now Mexican citizens.

When you say 'we' this and 'we' that it does not necessarily apply to ALL of the readers. In case you didn't know, there is systemic racism in this country. Capitalism by its very nature is set up for haves and have-nots. Yes, we can do just about any wonderful thing in America. But, to deny that racism is not institutionalized in various arenas for the clear benefit of the elite is to be ignorant and in denial.

I am not resentful merely educated and well-informed. I hope you are not just reliant upon school textbooks written by certain people with their own bias and agenda in mind.

There is no where else for me to go as the border crossed my family and we remain. :)

Posted by moorparkman2000 on September 12, 2008 at 3:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

From AP:

Morgan Freeman says the concept of a month dedicated to black history is "ridiculous."

"You're going to relegate my history to a month?" the 68-year-old actor says in an interview on CBS' "60 Minutes" to air Sunday (7 p.m. EST). "I don't want a black history month. Black history is American history."

Well, the concept of a month dedicated to a particular race is criticized on both sides. So I think the ad hominem fallacies need to get out the door and leave.

Posted by fmr805 on September 12, 2008 at 3:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

moorparkman2000

Love Morgan Freeman as an actor. He is entitled to his opinion as are you and everyone else.

If only we all lived in Utopia with the two of you.

Posted by kelly13 on September 12, 2008 at 7:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

When I use the term "we" I mean the legal, hard working, honest, law abiding citizen of this country. The majority of the US citizens fit that catagory.
Unfortunately Hispanic leaders have decided to lump all Hispanics to try to show more support for us allowing illegals in this country and giving them benefits they are not entitled to. That is so unfair and if I were an American of Hispanic descent I would resent this tremendously.
Americans are all colors and we all came from different backgrounds. But we all became Americans. I think the problem some people have with this "celebration" is that it is celebrating a culture that is often portrayed to us as anti-american. Unfortunate but true.
One of the reason might be that the Americans feel used and abused. Sort of like having a really good friend that you would do anything for to help them. You would give them anything they ask for. Then you find out one day they have been stealing from you and instead of saying they were sorry, they say I owed it to them.
With affirmative action and everything being there to benefit all minorities, I think no nation has been more generous and giving than the USA.
If this was a celebration that encouraged people to become legal citizens, I think you would have total support. If it is a celebration by legal Americans to celebrate their culture...that's great too. But in todays climate you have to understand what the word Hispanic represents to many people. And it isn't about any race. It is about legal and illegal.

Posted by moorparkman2000 on September 12, 2008 at 7:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Again, the ad hominem. You immediately talked about the person, and not what he said.

No, I don't live in Utopia. But I think you clearly are blaming everything on "whitey", which frankly will get nobody nowhere. If you want to make a difference, make it, otherwise, stop complaining.

Posted by prisherr on September 17, 2008 at 9:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Please everyone take a deep breath!!! Yes, these events are a month long because there are many, many events starting with wonderful classic Mexican movies being shown now for the next 3 Monday nights. Events at Seabridge Amphitheatre with Conjunto Hueyapan - a family from Oxnard performing on September 21st and their nephews performing on September 28th - Los Hermanos Herrera, all 5 of which are students at UCLA. The month long events are sponsored by different business NOT THE CITY. I repeat, NOT THE CITY! You should all enjoy the events, many of which are free - there is a charge for some. This Saturday and for the next 3 consecutive Saturdays is a Market Place at Heritage Square with seasonal produce, baked goods, Mexican jewelry and entertainment and activities for families. Time is 9a-2P. SPONSORED BY Banco Buenaventura. We should all respect each other's culture. Please no more bad mouthing. If you do not want to attend, then DON'T!

Posted by bexter700 on September 18, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To: priherr, 1. Who is paying for Oxnard PD to patrol? I hope it's not us taxpayers. 2. If a fight breaks-out who you going to call? At last LAZER radio shindig at College Park a gang fight with knives broke-out and I believe we the taxpayer paid for it.

Posted by prisherr on September 18, 2008 at 5:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bexter700 and all: There will be no Oxnard police patrols because everyone invited is there to enjoy the music. If you don't believe me, see you there.

Posted by bexter700 on September 18, 2008 at 6:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To Priherr: 1. Again, who is paying for Oxnard P.D.? 2. How many people do expect to be there and with no security?

Posted by prisherr on September 20, 2008 at 8:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Dear Bexter700 - Again, there will be NO police assigned to this concert. As part of Heritage Month, there was a concert at Plaza Park at noon last Wednesday (bring your lunch bag)and for the next 3 Wednesday and not a police officer in sight. We behave!!! We hope that about at least a 150 people show up who enjoy Jarocho music from the State of Veracruz. As I said before, the Herrera Family is from Oxnard and have been playing together as a family for over 30 years. They are NOT a rock band, punk band - just a purist folk group. If you are still an unbeliever, Please access a brief website at www.conjuntohueyapan.com for further information. I can't believe I'm justifying our existance!!!