Posted by yellowdvr on November 25, 2008 at 1:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Alright. Im so glad that he will be able to spend thanksgiving with his family.

Posted by handyhood on November 25, 2008 at 4:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is going to be an interesting case. I am going to believe this guy is innocent until I hear some evidence proving otherwise. Isn't that how our systems is suppose to work? I know that it is usually guilty until proven innocent.

Posted by janusjuris on November 25, 2008 at 5:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sounds like they might have both been tweakers: speed kills!

Posted by West_to_East on November 25, 2008 at 6:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

handyhood

It's become guilty and voted guilty, or buy a good lawyer and have him prove your innocence to at least one juror. I mean at least the editor says "Murder Suspect" most of them would just say killer or somthing

janusjuris

Are you trying to be funny? How do you justify that? I mean it's as easy as me saying your probably a low life that lives with your parents still right, but why be like everyone else and destroy ones charactor off of a comment by them or and editor

Posted by newshound on November 25, 2008 at 6:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I would like to know whether Scribner was defending himself or his family. That's the real question and this article doesn't fill in those details. If a person has a right to keep and bear arms under the Constitution for their defense, a shooting in self-defense should not trouble anyone. I have to believe that he did not have a right to defend himself if he was arrested. Surely the police must taken that into consideration when they are deciding to charge him with a big time crime.

It is a smart move by officer Simon to take his guns and passport away. If it turns out that he did committ murder, this is just another example of why guns should be severely restricted.

Posted by yellowdvr on November 25, 2008 at 7:27 a.m.

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Posted by lawabider on November 25, 2008 at 7:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Careful, folks -- both sides of this story have friends and family that will be blogging in here today -- you wouldn't want your right to free speech to offend anyone now, would you?? (end sarcasm) -- I believe I said last week that I would shoot my daughter's boyfriend if he got her into meth and I still feel that way -- but we have not been supplied with any details indicating this WAS the case...

Posted by h2oboy on November 25, 2008 at 7:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I sure would like to be on this jury!

Posted by Simply_Jay on November 25, 2008 at 8:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

a few things:

1st. Handyhood you took the words right out off my mouth that is alomost exactly what i wanted to post...

2. Newshound, i still say you sound like an English teacher i once had...

- J

Posted by handyhood on November 25, 2008 at 9:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

To all you anti gun people- I personally don't own a gun, but I believe that if it was legal to carry a gun by all people there would be much less crime. There is no law in Alaska and you can even carry a concealed weapon there. The crime rate is MUCH reduced because of this. We are suppose to have the right to bear arms, so why is it illegal to bear arms?

Posted by Mr_E_Man on November 25, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Handyhood, in Alaska, it's too damned cold to be outside beating girlsfriends in the middle of the night. Plus, could you imagine how hard it would be to do a drive-by at 5mph with showchains?

Posted by lawabider on November 25, 2008 at 10:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr. E Man -- thanks for the laugh out loud! I can totally picture that! Yes, it is our RIGHT to bear arms -- and if law-abiding folks like us did bear arms, the street situation would improve -- this simple FACT has been proven in many areas.

Posted by ValerinaS on November 25, 2008 at 10:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I believe in our constitutional right to bear arms. I personally don't own one, but wouldn't want my right taken away.

If I DID own a gun, you best believe if my door was being pounded on at 1 am, I WOULD grab my gun, and if I saw MY daughter being beat down by some guy, I would shoot too. It is my understanding though, that either the guy attacked the dad, or the dad tried to pull the guy OFF his daughter (TOTALLY justified) and the gun accidently went off.

It's tragic. But the moral of the story??

Don't be beating your girlfriend up in the middle of the night, especially on her parent's doorstep, and ESPECIALLY if the parent's are gun owners!!!

Posted by Mr_E_Man on November 25, 2008 at 10:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The next time I get reprimanded for wearing a tank top at the office, I'm going to remind my boss of my constitutional right to bare arms.

Posted by 4yourinformation on November 25, 2008 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

For all of you who are willing to make Bryan out to be the bad guy, I would just like to let you know about him. I have known Bryan for 31 years, yes 31 years. Bryan lived in Simi Valley for 29 years, and his parents were business owners in Simi Valley also. Yes Bryan did have some run-ins with the law, but he cleared everything up and in the mean time he became clean of drugs. He never hurt anyone. Bryan was not drunk or on drugs the night he was killed. This young man was a great father, son, brother and friend. Bryan had respect for others and was always there to help if you needed it. So please stop writing all these negative comments. No one knows what happened that night, so until the truth comes out stop thinking that you know what happened and that Bryan was the bad guy. One more thing the parents, family and friends of Bryan cant' believe what all of you have to write, like this is some big joke. Just remember that Bryan is the victim here not Harry. Now the holidays will never be the same for the Wall family. Who do they get to spend Thanksgiving with? I don't think it will be at Harry's house.

Posted by ValerinaS on November 25, 2008 at 11:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Generally, upstanding members of society aren't fighting with their girlfriends at 1 am outside of the home of parents. Certainly not single parents (I say this at least for myself and in my home). Obviously, there is some reason for speculation as to the circumstances surrounding this story, and being that the victim had a drug history, it's not so absurd that the speculation is tending that direction.

Posted by 4yourinformation on November 25, 2008 at 12:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Who said that they were even fighting? You said it drug "HISTORY", history and present are two different words. Bryan has never put a hand on anyone!!!!!!!! So just stop speculating all of you. Let the family have some peace without the speculation of what happened.

Posted by nojustice_justus on November 25, 2008 at 12:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What do bears have to do with firearms? I can bare-ly fathom that.

Posted by nojustice_justus on November 25, 2008 at 12:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It is to the suspect's advantage that a third party is able to hold his collection. I've heard of horror stories about SVPD basically pillaging the accessories of a gun collection (holsters, clips, etc) they had temporarily 'on hold'.

Posted by Oxnard_805 on November 25, 2008 at 12:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is funny! It is weird how a "murder suspect" is able to post bail. I have never heard of it....oh wait i got it the "murderer" must be of Anglo descent. Because if it where a hispanic or a black man or for that matter any other ethnicity there would of absolutely been no chance of bail. Hahahaha our great county once again demonstrating there true colors or lack of...

Posted by bru5150 on November 25, 2008 at 1:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Someone mentioned in here a while ago about Harry being trigger happy. One shot does not mean trigger happy. A full clip , now thats a different story. A shot to the neck .My quess is they were fighting over the gun and it went off. Easy to prove with GSR , will be all over both Bryan and Harry.Now this is just MY OPINION...but know one shoots for the neck.. Center mass is your target, not the neck.And for those who dont know what GSR is Gun Shot Residue.

Posted by bru5150 on November 25, 2008 at 1:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And has anybody mentioned that bryan was convicted of carrying a loaded firearm in 01. And also was waiting on a court date for DUI,hit and run, W/Special Allegations due to a prior dui .This is all public record through the court system.

Posted by SueSue on November 25, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Welcome home Harry. My best to you and Renee during Thanksgiving. You're in my positive thoughts and heart.
From: Sharon your old Kareeokee friend. How do u spell that?

Posted by RedTail on November 25, 2008 at 1:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oxnard_805, you may be right...but it may have more to do with the fact that this person had the means to post bail. Not many people (of any descent) have the means to post that kind of bail.
Also, the judge probably knows more than we do here, and didn't consider Scribner a threat.

Posted by nojustice_justus on November 25, 2008 at 2:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That is spelled 'tee ache a tee'. To answer your question.

But maybe you were asking about KARAOKE?

Posted by ILUVOXNARD2 on November 25, 2008 at 2:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"2. Newshound, i still say you sound like an English teacher i once had..."

If Newshound were a teacher, he/she would have known that Simon was a Deputy District Attorney, not a Police Officer.

By the way, it's a MAGAZINE, NOT A CLIP!!!! Jeez. People around her talk like gang bangers.

"I've heard of horror stories about SVPD basically pillaging the accessories of a gun collection (holsters, clips, etc) they had temporarily 'on hold'."

I've heard horror stories about the boogy man, so what?

Oxnard_805: Maybe it's just that white people can AFFORD to pay the bail?

4yourinformation: "Bryan was not drunk or on drugs the night he was killed." And then you write this: "No one knows what happened that night"

So which is it? You know for a fact he wasn't UI, or you really don't know anything? Did you personally run a tox screen on him?

Posted by ILUVOXNARD2 on November 25, 2008 at 2:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's my theory. By the letter of the law Harry is guilty of some form of manslaughter, but the investgators and the D.A. think it's a close call and don't wish to see him do time, SOOO they charge him with 187, 187. (a) Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being, or a fetus, with malice aforethought.

I suspect they know they will never get a conviction and he will walk. They get to look like they are tough on crime, and the good guy get's off.

A win win for all...

BUT!!! Why is Harry also charged with Receiving Stolen Property?

The plot thickens.

Posted by ValerinaS on November 25, 2008 at 4:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms

This is copied and pasted off the constitution... I thought from the comments maybe I mispelled, but looks like I'm in the clear for now.

So if he was awaiting charges of a 2nd DUI, alcohol is more current than "History" as Brian advocates are stating, right??

The plot DOES thicken....

Posted by sparks240 on November 25, 2008 at 4:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"A win win for all..." I don't think the dead guy's family will agree with that statement.

Posted by 4yourinformation on November 25, 2008 at 4:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

2 ILOVOXNARD2 By the statement "nobody knows what happened that night" refers to if they were fighting or not.

Posted by handyhood on November 25, 2008 at 4:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bryan was a good upstanding young man who would never do anything to hurt anyone. Oh, you mean like..........drive drunk (not once but twice) use and sell dope( I spent some time in work furlough with him so don't disagree), carry a loaded concealed weapon? Granted Bryan did not deserve to die, but he put himself in the position to have what happened to him happen. I don't see this as a premeditated killing. It is a horrible accident that could have been avoided by both parties.

Posted by Another_B_WALL_SUPPORTER on November 25, 2008 at 4:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Who pounded on the door? I bet Brian pounded on the door trying to drop off crazy Jamie to her parents. I bet she was going to stay with him that night but was probley out of controll and the only place he could take her was her parents since she had no place of her own.

Posted by FedUp on November 25, 2008 at 5:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

as far as the bail situation goes, it is probably a few reasons.
1. he had the means.
2. he has been cooperating with PD from the beginning.
3. has to do with number 2. he is not trying to flee to another country or something.

this is a very interesting case, and I do hope that all of the facts are presented, and they come to a proper conclusion.

Posted by bru5150 on November 25, 2008 at 6:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To iluvoxnard, if you go to a gun store or ask a cop or any avid shooter . The term clip is used , same as magazine. Check your facts before making these statements. And no i'm not a gangbanger.

Posted by nojustice_justus on November 25, 2008 at 6:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ILUVOXNARD2--you obviously overlooked the statement before whereby I stated that it was a good thing for a third party to take possession of his guns. Thusly the comment on the stealing by SVPD. And your inuendo about clips? LMAO.
So we can't say strap, gat, etc less we be labeled gang members? Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're out to get you.

You must be a cop. Your comprehension is so that you ignore/overlook the truth and see what you want, in order to prove your own fiction.

Posted by Readmylips on November 25, 2008 at 10:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

FYI, arrest records are available on people at Ventura County Courts website...
http://www.ventura.courts.ca.gov/

Go to Case inquiry
then Criminal database
then click Case Information
Type in the name and birth date.
Bryan Wall’s info is easily found online 09/16/77. I am trying to find Harry’s info.

You can get all caught up... Latest DUI/and this time hit and run... SEPTEMBER 08

Thankfully he didn't kill someone else when he drove drunk. Like a mother with her four young kids.

How irresponsible.

"4yourinformation" I would hope for your friend he was drunk with that conduct!

We will see when the toxicology comes back eeh?

Don't get me wrong, I feel horrible for Bryan's family.
I cannot imagine loosing any of my kids. It is a shame this entire incident happened. It is a big shame these two idiots went to the dad's that night, dragging him into their screwed up disaster. Now many life's are in turmoil.

Posted by yellowdvr on November 26, 2008 at 12:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

To all brians friends and family, I fell a deep sadness for you. I know how it feels to loose someone you love. Having said that the Brian I new was not a nice person. and treated people very badly. does that mean he deserved to die absolutly not. But his actions that night might have warented lethal force. and then again they might not have. I hope It all comes out. I also know Renee and hope she ok. May the lord be with both families in this most difficult time.

Posted by yellowdvr on November 26, 2008 at 1:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Handyhood an upstanding guy. 2 feloney possesion convictions. arrested for carrying a firearm. And had a restraing order against him. doesnt sound very upstanding to me...

Posted by ILUVOXNARD2 on November 26, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"To iluvoxnard, if you go to a gun store or ask a cop or any avid shooter . The term clip is used , same as magazine. Check your facts before making these statements. And no i'm not a gangbanger."
"To iluvoxnard, if you go to a gun store or ask a cop or any avid shooter . The term clip is used , same as magazine. Check your facts before making these statements. And no i'm not a gangbanger."

So is the N word, but it doesn't make it right or accurate.

Avid shooters and gun store people laugh at anyone calling a magazine a clip. Some police officers use the term clip, just not the smart ones.

A clip only applies to some WWI era rifles. It's a different device. I would not call anyone and avid shooter who does not know this.

Posted by ILUVOXNARD2 on November 26, 2008 at 1:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Whoops, that should read WWII rifles.

Posted by ILUVOXNARD2 on November 26, 2008 at 1:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nojustice_justus: Do you have any proof of your allegations that SVPD steals people property? A police report, a news article? Anything beside what some guy told you?

Posted by 805m0mma on November 26, 2008 at 3:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am usually pretty up-to-date on the newspaper...but did I miss the article where it said the boyfriend and girlfriend were fighting outside? Or is this speculation because that is normally what we do on here...create our own scenarios! I say WE because I am guilty of it also!

Posted by AVoiceToBeHeard on November 27, 2008 at 12:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I knew Bryan about 14 yrs. Always a gentleman. Never a bad word did he say to me. I would of been proud to call him my son. He was a good kid that some times did bad things that we all do. None of us are perfect saints, so please don't pat yourself on your back and act holyer then thou. Byan, or anyone didn't deserve this. Did Jamie drive him to do this? Maybe so, maybe no. Please, comment on what you know or if it is your feeling, just say it is. But don't speak ill of the dead when you don't know who he was, what he was or what a wonder person he was. I sure will miss you Bryan. You made footprint in my heart and I will miss your little read headed boy, as I am sure he will miss you, his Daddy.

Posted by moorpark118 on November 27, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A voice to be heard: We do not all do bad things. He did and it caught up with him. You make a side ways swipe at his girlfriend, you should be ashamed as your post would otherwise suggest you "felt" for both.

Bottom line is he was an abuser of drugs and alcohol and I cannot see that the world was much (if at all) better with him here. I am sure his son will be raised just fine by his mother who will be a better parental figure that a felon, better, drunk.

Posted by interested on November 27, 2008 at 1:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I looked Bryan up on the court web site. What an upstanding citizen he was.... And that is just him being caught, I can only imagine all the other stuff he did and didn't get caught.

Posted by AVoiceToBeHeard on November 27, 2008 at 10:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Before you mouth off at me Mr moorpark118 you should go vist that site and you will see that the thing you say are not so true. So as I look at it, you owe me an appology, or please, don't speak or comment to me again. May Jamie did something to Bryan. Again, no no is an perfect person, even you Mr. Moorpark118

Posted by AnnaWhaat on November 28, 2008 at 6:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Everyone makes mistakes in life, and I seriously doubt that anyone is perfect here on this site, or thier children. My Son has a lengthly record, but guess what! He IS A PERFECT Dad, and has changed his crazy life. We should never speak ill of the dead.

Posted by idlik2beetthem on November 28, 2008 at 6:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ahhhh, the man's last Thanksgiving supper...I hope he enjoyed it. He will definately be supper in jail to SOMEONE for a long time.(even at 65 yrs old) I wish we can bring back "an eye for an eye...tooth for a tooth" as an option, they should give him the chair. Definately guilty an MANY eyes no matter what the excuse is, Old man should've shot him in the leg. I hope I am a juror!!

Posted by yellowdvr on November 28, 2008 at 7:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

idlik2. what ever b Wall was not upstanding citizen. Harry is. Self defense. And I hope he walks to see many more thanksgiving dinners with his family.

Posted by idlik2beetthem on November 28, 2008 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

So what your saying is that you have to be perfect in society in order for it to be justified huh? I am sure you have some skeletons in your closet yellow. I have known B Wall for a long time and he definately wasn't perfect, however, I cannot see any reason (except for attempting to murder him or his daughter which was obviously not the case if you have read the reports)that would justify a shot to the neck or head. Old man river had it out for B Wall and everybody that knows them...is aware of that. The time will come, I hope he enjoys the peace now. ;)

Posted by yellowdvr on November 28, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I ve know him a long time two. no im not perfect but i guarantee you that there r no skeletons in my closet even close to the things he did.Old man river did not have it out for anyone maybe if that hodlum wood have made better choices in his life he would still be here today

Posted by yellowdvr on November 28, 2008 at 11:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have been reading the articles. they said there was an altercation. hum brian 31 possibly attacking Jaime or harry harry 65 had every right to defend himself and his daughter. Brian was an ex con lets see 2 felony drug convictions a conviction for carring a concelled weapon. he got arrested for carring a switch blade and that was thrown out. he had dui arrests. continuos bad decesions. when the toxicolagy reports com out won be supprissed if there were drugs or alcohol in his system. I may not have seen Brians good side. But i feel extremley sad for his friends and family. as i do for harry who i also knew.

Posted by idlik2beetthem on November 28, 2008 at 2:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

First of all, I suggest you type your comments in WORD and hit spellcheck first before posting please or go back to school. 2nd, I never said the Old Man River didn't need to defend himself, he just had other ways to do so and chose to kill instead of injure by going for the upper body purposely. I know both families and I also know that Harry could not stand Bryan AT ALL to the point where he would do anything to get him out of her life, even though Jamie is much to blame here as well. Harry, good luck in jail...then Hell!!(End of Story!!

Posted by AVoiceToBeHeard on November 28, 2008 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This whole entire thing is a sad story all the way around, no matter how you look at for everyone involved. I will miss Bryan for the rest of my life and I honestly don't really care what any of you think or say to that. So enough said.

Posted by yellowdvr on November 28, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was typing Fast and dont really care about spell check. so up yours bottom line b wall was a low life and hopfully he walks on self defense . What other ways does a 65 yr old man defend himself against a raging 31 yr old junkie.

Posted by yellowdvr on November 28, 2008 at 3:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If Harry is going to hell brian will be there to greet him.

Posted by yellowdvr on November 28, 2008 at 4:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Idlik2, A voice

I understand a life has been taken. In future blogs I will keep my personl feelings about Brian in check. And take into consideration that his family and friends are on this site. Just try do do the same for Harry's Family weather you like them or not. There are two families suffering through this. Including Brians little boy who will never get that chance to grow up with his father. I appologize for any coments I made that were hurtfull. God bless both families.

Posted by AVoiceToBeHeard on November 28, 2008 at 6:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yellowdvr, I appreciate the apology and it is accepted. I don't know Jamie or her family. I can't comment on them and I won't. Like you said "God bless both families" on this terrible mess. I do know I will miss my friend Bryan for the rest of my life. His son will miss his Dad. His Mom will miss her son, his Dad will miss his Son, etc....and My heart goes out for his family as I do know them......but that is just because I have a heart for someone that I have known and grown with despite of all the comments of those that really don't know who Bryan truly was.

Posted by yellowdvr on November 28, 2008 at 8:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

A voice,
I can respect that and I had not seen him in years. But the brian I remember was just not nice. But just because someone isnt nice does not mean they deserve to die. But I also think if He had not put himself in that position that he would be here today.

Posted by AVoiceToBeHeard on November 28, 2008 at 11:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Then Yellow, like you said, you had not seen him in years. He was a changed person. We all deserve a second change, we all make mistakes. Doesn't mean we have to die for them. If that is the case I am sure you or I would be here. So with that in mind I will end my side of this conversation. It was a pleasure to talk to you. Thanks for being polite. Good nite

Posted by yellowdvr on November 30, 2008 at 2:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Avoice, It doesnt sound like he was a changed person. I'M sorry. 2 felony drug convictions, Dui arrests, A restrainig order, Arrested for carring a switch blade witch was thrown out. Yes we all deserve a second chance but it sounds like brian was on number 5. If he was harming someone that night then the (65)yr old man had every right to defend himself. If not then he will spend the rest of his life in prison. Brian was obviously a troubled young man who was struggling to get his life on track.

Posted by socal2310 on November 30, 2008 at 6:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't have anything to add to the discussion about guilt and innocence. I don't know the killer or the deceased.

Those suggesting that the deceased ought to have been shot in the leg had better hope they are never involved in a defensive shooting.

First, use of a firearm is prima facie use of deadly force because a lethal injury is likely to result even if the subject is struck in an extremity. Arm or leg shots can result in damage to the brachial or femoral arteries which can be fatal even with immediate medical attention.

Second, you are unlikely to effect a well placed shot during an adrenal dump and may be lucky to manage to hit your opponent's center of mass even at point blank range.

Third, the goal of defensive firearm use is to stop the threat. Contrary to movie myth, people aren't necessarily incapacitated by even a lethal injury unless there is damage to the central nervous system (brain or spinal cord) let alone a less than lethal injury to the leg. There have been numerous cases where people with holes punched in their hearts had enough time to empty their magazines into their opponents before they succumbed to their injuries.

bru5150,

A "clip" is a device for loading ammunition INTO a magazine.

Posted by AVoiceToBeHeard on November 30, 2008 at 11:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yellow, he was changed, I knew him, his heart, he person, the man he was. When any one gets mad, you, me, we say and aren't the people we are when we are not mad. that is a fact.Any way, those dates are older, dui has nothing to do with hitting someone, switch blade either, another old date.......like I said, did you know Bryan? Did you know him in the last few years? If not then you didn't really know him. He's life was back on track. I think everyone should wait to see what the true story is, even me before we throw out calling the kettle black

Posted by AVoiceToBeHeard on November 30, 2008 at 12:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yellow, plus the paper never tells the whole story, we all know that

Posted by yellowdvr on November 30, 2008 at 12:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

A voice I definetly agree with that.

Posted by crackissuperwhack on November 30, 2008 at 6:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have read the posts here and it seems people are more interested in defending or attacking the parties involved than trying to learn from what transpired. What influences lead people to become this kind of element in our society? You can say no one is perfect all day long. That works both ways. From some of the posts it appears to be thought if someone was a better person (not controlled by their addictions) or a better aim (hitting a limb rather than a more critical location) no one would be grieving over this. I think it is human nature to jump to conclusions or defend loved ones who have lived and died violently. To the loved ones and supporters of the deceased I ask you, what went wrong with this man's life? Did you offer support when he was alive? I can't really say much about the shooter because no one has posted any criminal records or compelling experiences reflecting a history of misconduct. For him the evidence presented at trial will lead where it may with a jury of his peers.

Posted by AVoiceToBeHeard on December 9, 2008 at 12:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Today is the day of the arraignment, I wonder what is going on