Posted by goldeneye on November 17, 2008 at 4:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Was this man just defending his family? If I hear someone banging on my door in the wee hours of the night you can bet your sweet butt that I'm goin to grab my gun.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on November 17, 2008 at 6:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah but you have to shoot them inside the house. So legally they can get this guy for murder. Strange how it happened. Keeps everyone wondering why?? His daughter was with the guy and he knew them. We will have to just wait and find out.

Posted by alexa_m on November 17, 2008 at 6:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Could it be possible that the dad didn’t like the guy?

Just like AnnaWhaat said “His daughter was with the guy and he knew them.”

I wonder how the daughter feels?

Posted by gramagracie on November 17, 2008 at 7:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am with Goldeneye, I would go for my gun. Even if the perp is outside, if you feel a threat to your family or yourself these situtations can escalate in a heart beat. Condolences to both families.

Posted by 1cwbyfan on November 17, 2008 at 7:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dang!that sucks just imagine how the daughter feels!

Posted by rebel123 on November 17, 2008 at 7:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah, things sure can escalate in a heartbeat.....and now somebody is dead. Makes one wonder if it would have turned out better if dad wasn't trigger happy.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on November 17, 2008 at 8:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am not saying I wouldn't have taken a gun to the door. BUT I also would have yelled out "Who is it?" before opening it. I would never open the door for someone I didn't know that late at night. Even in the daytime , we all need to be cautious...

Posted by lawabider on November 17, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Dads, daughters and guns have long since been a humorous topic in the parent world -- however, sounds like this boyfriend was particularly bad news as far as Dad was concerned... With the age group of the "kids", I'm suspecting Meth...

Posted by 1cracker on November 17, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Harry might of been a well liked guy, BUT Bryan was also well liked and a father to! Unfortunately now his little boy has to grow up without him, because of this trigger happy guy! I guess lucky for Harry he didn't kill his daughter also. I agree with JayAllen above, how about yelling out before shooting OR calling 911 before taking the law into your own hands. As for lawabider above, not all in this age group does drugs!

Posted by yellowdvr on November 17, 2008 at 9:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No one should speculate if drugs or alchol were involved. If they were the investigators will find out. All the facts will come out. God bless both families.

Posted by bru5150 on November 17, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

People need not to judge Harry before all the facts are in . I've know Harry and Renee for years , and they are to of the finest people i've ever had the pleasure of meeting , living in simi valley. I've fished with Harry in Cabo and bowled with them for many years.And to lawbider , what age groups are meth users?12 to 65 year olds.? Please think before you make stupid comments like that one . My heart goes out to both families. Bruce G.

Posted by lilmech44 on November 17, 2008 at 9:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

We live in Simi Valley, not Compton. Why would you need to grab your gun just because someone is knocking on your door in the middle of the night. A normal person would just look out the peep hole/window and see your own daughter and her boyfriend and either say "go away" or call the police. This old man is a psycho and cleary can't control himself.
Instead of assuming the poor victim is on Meth, it makes more sense that the Father is on Meth. Meth makes you paranoid.

Posted by majesilla on November 17, 2008 at 10:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with 1cracker! Bryan was a very liked person and most importantly he was also a father. Now, because of this incident, his son will have to grow up without him. That's sad. To sit here and speculate who did what and who said what...and who was on what (METH!! WTF!!!) all we can do is sit and wait for the details to come out. I jut hope that justice will be served! And one more thing....guns don't kill people...people kill people!

RIP Bryan Wall...you will forever be lvoed and missed by MANY!!!!

Posted by Blackjack21 on November 17, 2008 at 10:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Growing up I was a neighbor of Harry and Renee for over 20 (the old neighborhood) My brother was a friend of their son and I also know their daughter Jamie. They are very nice people and are good neighbors. Who knows what happened and unless you hear it from them or a very reliable source, dont pass judgement. This is a terrible tragedy.

God Bless Harry and Renee!

Posted by getreal on November 17, 2008 at 10:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There has to be so much more to this story. Did Harry and Bryan not get along? Did Bryan come over alone and his girlfriend happened to answer the door before her dad? Were they both coming home and forgot a key? Was it dark and Harry thought they were entruders? There is so much we as readers do not yet know. I feel sorry for both familes. This is a terrible thing to happen.

Posted by Ubique on November 17, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"The Scribners were the original owners of their home and had lived..."

Why the past tense? How about they "are" the original owners and "have" lived???

"On Sunday, a camper, pickup truck, boat and two cars sat in the driveway of the Scribners' home."

What significance do the type of vehicles at the home have to the tragedy that occurred???

Sorry for being critical.

Posted by kind1 on November 17, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Usually when a post is removed, there is the name of the person who posted and then it says it was removed. Why the exception with regards to the gun that was pulled on a private citizen in the Magnolia Mobile Home Park in Ventura, last Saturday? Did VCSD remove every trace? A man pulled a gun on a another man, it was very borderline - but he was let go, to pull his gun again. He lied on the report - that's a crime, but no action taken for making false statements during an investigation. That's one of the ways, how things like this are allowed to fester and happen...
SFP - why are you censoring the truth?

Posted by lawabider on November 17, 2008 at 10:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You folks just need to chill out -- I said "I suspect Meth" only because I would shoot my daughter's boyfriend if he got her messed up on that -- every comment here is PURE SPECULATION and I'm entitled to my opinion as well -- if you don't agree or don't like it, don't read it. And to Bruce, you should learn how to spell before you call someone else "stupid"...

Posted by eclipsewatcher on November 17, 2008 at 10:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If someone pounds on the door at 2:00 a.m., I'm going to assume it's not Ed McMahon delivering my Publisher's Clearing House check for $1,000,000. Sounds like Mr. Scribner heard the pounding on the door, armed himself, went down to investigate, and saw his daughter and Mr. Wall standing there. Maybe Mr. Wall threatened one or both of them. It's hard to believe that a normally quiet 65-year-old man would just snap out of the blue, so I'm thinking this wasn't an isolated incident. Sad all the way around.

Posted by NowHearThis on November 17, 2008 at 11:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

AnnaWhaat says, "So legally they can get this guy for murder."

Obviously Anna doesn't know Whaat she is talking about. She doesn't know about the law. There is "manslaughter of varying degrees..." There is many degrees of murder.

All these ignorant people above who think they know it all and weren't even at the shooting location.

Let the investigation continue and then see what's reported. A guy has a right to defend his home and family. Whether Mr. Scribner was doing that will be found out. Maybe this is a case of manslaughter or a case of self defense??? We'll know in time.

Posted by Relvd98 on November 17, 2008 at 11:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Many of you are saying, "we'll just have to wait for the facts to come out"...really? Because I highly doubt the Star will update us on the "facts" (if they ever get them) once they are out.

So unless you were there or know a close reliable source, keep waiting.

Posted by at8man on November 17, 2008 at 12:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think it is wise and prudent to reserve your opinions and speculations about what happened and why. It will all unfold in due time.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on November 17, 2008 at 1:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ever citizen should carry guns? EVERY citizen? Imagine reading EVEN MORE of these stories? Neighbors said they didn't hear an argument occur, so maybe this was an accident? If so, then an innocent life taken away for what? So NRA members can feel empowered?

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on November 17, 2008 at 1:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

AT8MAN: Why should we reserve our opinions or speculations? Then we'd have vastly blank discussion threads. It sad that this guy died, but that does not mean that we can't discuss the article.

Posted by mommainthe805 on November 17, 2008 at 2:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The only reason my dad would kill my husband would be if he were beating me up really bad. I wonder what the boyfriend and the daughter were doing out front..fighting? arguing? His myspace page says "I don't know what to tell her"....

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on November 17, 2008 at 2:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Again...it wasn't stated nor did the neighbors interviewed notice an argument prior to the shooting. You would think a SEVERE beating would make "some" noise. Sounds like an accident? (speculation)

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on November 17, 2008 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What's the impact on accidental shooting statistics? I bet it's inversely related to the crime rate CAMDAD.

Posted by majesilla on November 17, 2008 at 2:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mommainthe805...that is not bryan's myspace page. I believe that he didn't have one (or else I would have been added as a friend) and he was not 37, i went to highschool with him - he was 31. Secondly...the father knew that it was Bryan and his daughter outside...he wasn't startled....wasn't caught off gaurd. Something happened between them and it ended in MURDER.

Posted by nojustice_justus on November 17, 2008 at 3:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

JayAllen--that would be Bob Dylan, not GnR. Cover song for them.

Thank you for all the scenarios posed...none of them seem like what really happened. But I'm with CamDad...self defense comes to mind as well.

Posted by mommainthe805 on November 17, 2008 at 3:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hmmm, I thought that myspace page said 31...ANNNND the one I looked at happens to ALSO be on Jamie Scribners myspace page...and all her friends. So I assumed it was the same guy. My bad. Anyways, you seem to know the low-down on this situation, why don't you shed some light so that your friend isn't misunderstood? Also, which hschool was it, because he and Jamie sound VERY familiar and I'm the same age, resident of simi for 16 yrs. do tell.

Posted by beachgurl on November 17, 2008 at 4:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

They pound on the door at 0100 and he's pronounced dead at 0145. What happened over those 45 minutes?
BTW, I've had my door pounded on at 0200 several times and never wished I had a gun to pull.

Posted by nojustice_justus on November 17, 2008 at 4:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I've had many a woman pounding on my door early in the morning...I had to get out of bed and let them out....

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on November 17, 2008 at 4:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This guy was booked for murder (not manslaughter)...and his bail is set at $500K....sounds like it was more than SIMPLY self-defense. Must have been enough to deem it murder vs. self-defense/manslaughter.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on November 17, 2008 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nojustice: LOL

Posted by NottaNewbieNameGame on November 17, 2008 at 5:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sadly, if Harry's name was Hernando and Bryan's name was Jose, we would sooo be having a very different conversation.

Posted by mmelissa on November 17, 2008 at 5:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Feel free to blame good ole addiction. It's hand is heavy in this one folks. Meth, Crack, Crank, whatever you want to call it, takes you to one of three places, Institutions, Jail or Death. These drugs take our children, our parents, our sister's, our brothers, then, it sucks the rest of us in, the non-addicts, it tears families and friendships apart. This father was done, he reached his bottom, at that moment in time, he saw no alternative, had he, he would not have shot that young man. Sometimes, good people, do bad things, make poor choices. How do you kill addiction? How do you stop the fall out? It affects everyone in it's path, generation after generation. These families, their lives are changed forever, in a flash. Can't take it back now. It's done. God bless those families, God help all of us.

Posted by purplelady1971 on November 17, 2008 at 6:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This man is my father and I would appriciate it if you would stop jumping to conclusions..... I can not release details, but my father is not a old crazy man..... There were events that night that led to the tragedy and of course the paper never covers the whole truth...... Please let us deal with this tragedy the best we can..... It is a horrible tragedy for all families involved.....Thank you, Cindy

Posted by ecarson1958 on November 17, 2008 at 7:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PLEASE EVERYONE!! GUNS EQUALS DEATH. DON'T HAVE GUNS AROUND AND YOU WON'T END UP IN THE GROUND.

Posted by 1cracker on November 17, 2008 at 7:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry he is your father. I can't wait until the details do come out. How does one explain to Bryan's little boy, why daddy isn't around anymore! Can't imagine anything that night that justify's Bryan's death.

Posted by acosta on November 17, 2008 at 8:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bryan was a good guy, a friend of mine and Its a tragedy what has happened. Our prayers go out to everyone involved.

Posted by jwdough on November 17, 2008 at 10:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is why we do not keep guns in our home. You never know what will happen. A big old canister of pepper spray will disable someone quite nicely, without killing.

Posted by truthseaker on November 17, 2008 at 11:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I know the Scribner's as well as Brian. I can say it is a sad time for all involved. Brian was a very good man/father when sober, but when he was drunk,,, well his police record speaks for its self. As for Harry and his gun, his house has been robed 3 times over the years. I would have had gun in hand as well.
Lord please walk with both families and forgive all.

Posted by Scott_Hub on November 17, 2008 at 11:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am very sorry to hear about this tragedy. I have known the Scribner family for years, and Harry is one of the nicest people you could hope to meet.

Cindy is right, the newspaper gave out such little information we could only make assumptions as to what really happened.
My heart goes out to everybody involved.

Posted by NottaNewbieNameGame on November 18, 2008 at 12:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Gun control and the disarming of law-abiding citizens should never be a solution to reducing crime and serves as a recipe for tyranny.

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." -- George Washington

Go take a history class people!

Posted by SueSue on November 18, 2008 at 7:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by mmelissa on November 17, 2008 at 5:29 p.m
This father was done, he reached his bottom, at that moment in time, he saw no alternative, had he, he would not have shot that young man. Sometimes, good people, do bad things, make poor choices. How do you kill addiction? How do you stop the fall out?

mmelissa: Are u on crack?! Your whole statement makes NO sense. No one said Harry was on drugs or addicted to anything. No one said Bryan was on drugs or addicted.
Your rant is wacked out.

Harry WAS NOT addicted to anything, well, maybe music or his cars.

Sad everyone assumes soo much. I understand people have an opinion, but please don't go so far off the path of reason when you don't know these people, on both sides of the story.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on November 18, 2008 at 8:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

NowHearThis ,Straight from the Police Departments mouth! If you shoot someone, they must be inside your house. Say if your in danger or being robbed. I never said they cant reduce the charges so chill...........
I do send my Condolences to both Harrys family and Bryans family. This just seems like something that should have never happened. A now alot of people are hurting.

Posted by H8War on November 18, 2008 at 12:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

People with guns kill people. The shadow of the gunman lies darkly on America. We pay for this evil fixation every day.

Posted by therealtruth on November 18, 2008 at 4:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

lol... Man some of Scribner's friends on here lack the common sense. If your going to post statements as facts "Prophet", make sure they justify taking a human life. None of your facts justify killing anyone.

Prophet we live in a Democratic country, (or atless I do) it's not ok to kill for anyone for those reasons listed. I welcome you to the civilized world where we have police departments and cell phones.

As for your friend Scriber he doesn't have the cleanest record either. Seems in "83" Scriber had a run in with the Law himself. I guess what happens in Vegas, doesn't stay in Vegas.

Posted by BizeeBee on November 19, 2008 at 7:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bryan was a friend of my brother and he was one of the nicest guys I have had the pleasure of knowing. Did he make mistakes? Have any of you? I know I have...Nobody's perfect. Mistakes don't dictate the kind of person you are.

As far as Mr Scribner......... If he thought someone was there to harm him or his family, or to rob him....DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY WOULD KNOCK/POUND ON THE DOOR FIRST??????

Unless you know all the facts, which OBVIOUSLY no one does, you should keep your accusations and assumptions to yourself.

My heart & my prayers go out to all of Bryan's family. Mr Scribner has to forever live with the fact that he ALONE took away someone's son and a little boy's father.

Posted by hayden08 on November 19, 2008 at 7:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with you bizeebee, Bryan was the best guy around, anything you needed he was there for you in a flash! B- wall will be missed!

Posted by BizeeBee on November 19, 2008 at 9:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thx Hayden...it breaks my heart that so many people can pass judgement on something or someone they know nothing about.

Posted by hayden08 on November 19, 2008 at 11:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No problem bizeebee- It has been really hard listening to all these freaking STRANGER'S talk bad about our friend, we know who the real Bryan was- bizeebee,lifefriend,therealtruth. He will be missed but definitely not forgotten! a loving father, great friend,hard worker! R.I.P BRYAN WALL! He didn't deserve to lose his life! PERIOD

Posted by Statenmycase on November 20, 2008 at 12:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Man we read the internet about a shoting death of a mans daughters boyfriend and the first thing people do is attempt to solve the crime and come to a conclusion. Let the facts be known before you pass judgement. This mans little girl will be broken forever, and the girlfriends father will live this day forever. So many people hurting. It's painful to think that things could get this bad. RIP

Posted by mmelissa on November 20, 2008 at 12:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by SueSue on November 18, 2008 at 7:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

mmelissa: Are u on crack?! Your whole statement makes NO sense. No one said Harry was on drugs or addicted to anything. No one said Bryan was on drugs or addicted. Your rant is wacked out.

SueSue, guess you need to reread this one. NO, I do not think for a moment Harry was on Crack. Harry and his family are the victims of drug abuse, the fall out. How many times do you suspect he dealt with the issue? How many times do you suppose it reared it's ugly head in his home? If a father reaches a breaking point of using a gun, he's done. He can't take another second of the madness. Do I believe his daughter and her boyfriend had serious drug issues? You better believe it.

Posted by ValerinaS on November 21, 2008 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I feel sorry for the family and friends of both the father, and the boyfriend who was shot. I'm sorry you are hearing such radical assumptions and speculations, I'm sure at a time like this the last thing you want to read is bad accusations. My heart goes out to Brian's son and family. That is tragic. I will be curious to learn the circumstances surrounding it. Regardless of what they were though, it doesn't make this any less tragic. My condolences to everybody involved.

Posted by GreenEyedLady on November 28, 2008 at 7:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have known the Scribner's my entire life (27 years). They are good people and would never have wanted this to occur. I have to say that everything that is said here, is just speculation, except for what Cindy posted. Please, just stop for a moment and think about how badly your words affect people. Poor Jamie. Did any of you stop to think that she must be hurting so badly right now. If you were Bryan's friend, or Harry's friend, or Jamie's friend then you would know that she has a good heart that is breaking right now. Why don't we all show a little support for her. Harry is a good man. I didn't know Bryan, BUT I heard mixed reviews about his relationship with Jamie from SEVERAL parties. Why don't we stop accusing and start sympathizing for HER and ALL families involved? I am not here to defend OR blame. Just stand up for the one person that needs us all the most right now. Remember, she just lost the love of her life, and may possibly lose her father as well. Thank you.

My heart goes out to EVERYONE involved. I am truly sorry for your loss and your pain.

Jamie, I love you!