Posted by US_Citizen on November 8, 2008 at 6:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ahhh...The cruel and unusual punishment issue again. Sorry, these prisoners get no empathy from me. Ask those who they victimized, do you think they care? I don't think so. These prisoners get too much as it is. They make prison too comfortable, TV's, rec rooms and so on. So what if they have to wait in line for healthcare for months. We need to remember why these dirtbags are there in the first place. Taxes are going up on local and state levels as it is, and soon law abiding citizens won't even be able to afford to buy some of our own necessities. And Kelso wants 8 billion? Give me a freakin break. What part of WE ARE BROKE don't you understand Kelso. Go away.

Posted by Rob_Dawg on November 8, 2008 at 6:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I just find the entire premise of health care being a "right" for prisoners but nothing is said for the rights of the unconvicted to be the height of Federal hubris.

Posted by Graesan on November 8, 2008 at 6:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Finally, someone (a higher court) putting Kelso in his place. He has SO over reached. I suspect this is just the first of several appeals he will lose! Kelso's behavior is ego driven and he stands for everything that our Founding Fathers warned against.

Posted by frank14 on November 8, 2008 at 6:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

When Obama nominates Thelton Henderson to the US Supreme Court this whole lib mess will go away.

Posted by ironwoman on November 8, 2008 at 7:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is exactly what should happen.....appeals! Convicted criminals do not deserve gold-plated medical care. I am sorry but that is just plain ridiculous. I knew when this first came out that it was a crock.
Our State is in serious budget crisis, if anyone hasn't noticed. Schwartzneggar is proposing to hike sales tax,, alcohol tax, car registrations, take State employee pay, holidays and paid holidays? Education is taking a hit, social welfare is losing out, people are losing their homes and charities are hurting.

How can this be? Criminals will get rooms with views and neutral lighting, plush grounds, recreation rooms, art therapists, music therapists...etc. at the expense of US, the taxpayer.

Yet, the rest of us have to tighten our belts because the economy is bad.

Doesn't sound right to me. Tie this up in court forever as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by handyhood on November 8, 2008 at 7:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

US_citizen- How do you know that prisoners get too much and have it easy? Have you been to prison? While I agree that prison isn't being an effective deterrence for crime, it is not that easy. How would you feel if you had a bad toothache and couldn't do anything about it for months? Instead you have to deal with that kind of pain all the time. You can't even go and buy any type of temporary relief for it. We would treat a dog better. I'm not saying that the prisoner shouldn't be in prison, but if we lock them up, we have to take care of them. Just because they are in prison is that an excuse not to feed them too? It's called BASIC rights. These cannot be taken away.

Posted by US_Citizen on November 8, 2008 at 7:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

RIGHT ON, Ironwomen....

Posted by US_Citizen on November 8, 2008 at 7:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Handyhood, In the first place, as a victim, I could care less if a prisoner has a toothache for the rest of his/her life!!! Secondly, I would never be put in a position to have a toothache in prison and have to wait months to have it taken care of. So, I don't care. This is my opinion and you have yours. No, I have never been to a prison, as far as I am concerned, they have too many amenities, as also Ironwoman stated.

Posted by handyhood on November 8, 2008 at 7:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ironwoman- I KNOW that prisoners don't get all the amenities that you have presumed. Don't get me wrong, they don't deserve anything special, but they deserve medical treatment(since they obviously can't go out and get their own) food, and shelter. If you have never walk in a prisoners shoes, then you have nothing to base your claim.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on November 8, 2008 at 7:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

handyhood ,again we agree!!!!! And trying to get into a dentist can take months! Rediculous. And they do not fill the tooth and put caps on etc.....they just pull the darn thing. Unjust to me.Cruel and unusual punishment can lead to riots and killings , even the guards are in danger of death!

Posted by ironwoman on November 8, 2008 at 7:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

handyhood,

What I wrote is what Kelso wants for his prison-so called hospitals. He wants the criminals to have a room with a view, neutral lighting, plush grounds, recreation areas, music and art therapists etc... That is why it costs so much money.

Do some research on this matter. Just google california prison healthcare or it's in the cdcr website on other links.

You might find his plan interesting.

You can assume what I don't know but it's an assumption on your part.

Posted by handyhood on November 8, 2008 at 7:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

US_Citizen- But ironwoman statement was in error. I went to prison for a drug addiction. Although I have turned my life completely around and no longer do ANYTHING illegal, I know what prison is like. I know that it isn't easy and prisoners are not mollycoddled. They have only the basics and should have only the basics. Prison was what cured me. I am educated, and grew up middle income. I am successful today because of prison. But, while in prison, I had a bad tooth. It took 6 weeks for me to see a dentist and 3 more weeks before anything was done for the tooth. I couldn't eat, or sleep, and could not get any relief. Did I deserve that? I never hurt anyone or stole anything to get put into prison. AGAIN I PUT TO YOU. DID I DESERVE THAT? If you believe I did, you are a most heartless individual. No disrespect intended.

Posted by ironwoman on November 8, 2008 at 7:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey handyhood,

Good job in making a life for yourself. I love success stories. BUT, I had to wait a month to see a specialist about a serious medical issue. Funny, you talk about a toothache for 6 weeks and I just wanted to know if I had cancer or not. And I never committed a crime. Funny how that works.

Posted by US_Citizen on November 8, 2008 at 8:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Handyhood, I am proud that you turned your life around and keep up the good work. So, you have some experience from inside prison I understand that. As a victim, it makes me sick to see a brand new prison (that was recently built somewhere back east) I don't remember the state. Anyway, before I even knew it was a prison, I thought it was a resort. I didn't realize it was a prison until I saw the last picture of an air view and you can see the gates and all the wire and the statement that it was a prison. Unconstitutional, cruel and unusual punishement? Have you been rapped? Have you been robbed at gunpoint? Have you been beaten by your spouse so badly and left for dead, and have a permanent disibility because of it? So if I sound harsh, so be it. No disrespect intended. Did you go to prison for drug addiction? Or a crime you committed because of that addiction? Just curious.

Posted by US_Citizen on November 8, 2008 at 8:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ironwoman, I had to wait 2 months to get my mamogram. My mother had to wait 6 weeks to get referred to a kidney specialist because she had kidney cancer, then another month to get approved for surgery, not to mention the wait to have the surgery done. Neither she or myself had never committed a crime in our lives. By the way, this was 2 years ago and she is doing just fine. :)

Posted by AnnaWhaat on November 8, 2008 at 9:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ironwoman ,But you were NOT in constant pain. And I understand the seriousness of wondering if you have cancer cause I have gone through that also. It all depends on the type of insurance you have and the doctor to push the referral through.If I were you I would seriously look into finding another doctor. My heart does go out to you and I pray your cancer free. Best of Health!!! I do believe that they should have a hospital of some degree at every prison. When someone is hurt of stabbed they are taken or flown to another hospital, which takes away staff from the prison whom have to go sit there and wait and stand guard. It also takes time to get immediate emergency care. As far as prison I have never heard of a room with a view. Most prisons that I know of do not have windows. And certainly no view. And who made most of all those license plates on most cars? Well I dont know if they still do that. But they do, do work, they work in the laundry, kitchen. Some do the janitorial work etc etc.
US_Citizen ,Yes as a matter of fact, I have been shot at! My spouse robbed by knife point. A drive by , yet they hit the wrong house. So yes I do know somewhat of the fear. I am sorry your spouse did that to you and I pray he got alot of time in prison for mayhem. My best friend was raped not once but twice! SO I do know how she feels about her crime against her. But you have to understand if you treat criminals like animals they will act like them. Of course many of them spend time in the hole. Which they deserve. And I am not against someone going to the hole in prison.They have to have something to fear so they stay in line. People seem to think that every prisoner has a TV and special privileges. They dont. There is a TV room. For those allowed to go in. If you have a TV in your room its because someone bought it for you. Not the prison.

Posted by US_Citizen on November 8, 2008 at 10:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Anna, I did not say my spouse committed a crime against me, so lets get that straight right now. I was using examples and not going to offer details on what happened to me. I am also sorry that happened to you and your friend. There should not be any tv's in prisons for any one. I wish some would have more consideration for the victims that the criminals. Maybe the state can build a huge clinic for the victims so they can get the help they need. Seems more logical to me. The victims did nothing wrong, yet they do not get to reap the benefits the criminals get while they are incarcerated. Those who are victims are prisoners for the rest of our lives, and (unless those who are on death row or sentanced to live) get out of prison just to committ the same crimes or worse, or get all the help in the world for free to start their lives over again (which is a good thing) but the victims are left behind with nightmares and trama for the rest of their lives. Sorry, maybe you are a much more forgiving person than I am, but again, I don't care if a prisoner has to wait weeks to see a doctor, so do we. Have you had to make an appt. to see a doctor? Takes weeks. That is right we have access to an emergency room if needed, but we did not committ a crime did we.

Posted by NottaNewbieNameGame on November 8, 2008 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Crime has not increased. We just keep believing that to lowering the threshold of what is considered "criminal" and qualify more and more people for incarceration will keep us safe. The only thing this does is protect corporate profits.

The American corporations and the powerful prison industry have teamed up with the US Government to create what has become an extremely profitable and powerful partnership.

If the financial mess we're in along with the bailout isn't enough for people to open up their eyes realize it's all about money and profits, and not the financial security or personal security of the American people, it just may be hopeless after all.

Continue to ignore the truth, and disregard the facts and blindly support "tough on crime" legislation that has proven to increase crime and profits for these greedy bottom feeders.

It's simple. Corporate and prison industry profits are directly related to the crime rate. Increased crime = increased inmate incarceration = increased profits. Reduced crime = reduced inmate population = reduced profits.

Why do you think corporations are the #1 financial backers of 3 strike legislation? Infact, corporations will throw huge amounts of money at ANY piece of legislation whatsoever that increases mandatory and lengthy sentences. Corporations are without question, the #1 financial backers against any and all legislation that could potentially reduce the inmate population.

Most recent example is Prop 5. Politicians know that they will never get elected without the financial support of the powerful prison industry. They also own Jerry Brown-Nose. Prop 5 would have significantly reduced their profits. Who cares that it also would have reduced crime. Don't be stupid. Look at who "owns" anyone that states otherwise.

Halliburton was given $385 million dollars to build A LOT "detention camps" throughout the country. Exactly how many prisons, detention facilities, does America need? We have the highest inmate population in the entire world, and A LOT of corporations who are recognizing record profits as a result.

Posted by 98Charlie on November 8, 2008 at 10:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

OK folks, let's keep our eye on the ball.
What we have here is an appeals process to reign in Henderson and Kelso. If you visit his website, Kelso has improved the medical conditions in existing facilities--fired bad docs, hired good ones and increased nursing staff. Mandatory sick calls have made a huge improvement in some facilities.
Let him pursue this this avenue of action and provide the oversight that was missing. This is working.
Court of Appeals sounds like it has its priorities right, hopefully the state will continue to force the judges to examine this mess and kill the $8 billion building plan.
BTW--Ventura is Number 5 on the list after Chino Hills.

Posted by ecarson1958 on November 8, 2008 at 11:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

People; There is one issue that is being forgotten and the main reason for the building of the prison hospitals. It is the aging of the prison population. The three strikers 25 to life. This over utilized all or nothing attitude towards criminals has led this State into the abyss with old decrepit inmates who are feeble, and unable to help themselves anymore. There is nowhere for them to go. This is their home and at the same time, their hospice. Unfortunately if the State is taking away their productive years, then the State is responsible for their feeble years. You can't have it both ways. That would be inhumane and unusual punishment to release them from prison when not only are they unable to hurt anyone else, they can't even take care of themselves. These are the long term considerations that are used in determining and projecting costs of health care in the prison system.

Posted by ironwoman on November 8, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Anna,
You and handyhood just didn't understand my post. Let me make it clear:

Kelso WANTS (in his plan) to build these new prisons with with private rooms, with neutral lighting, views, plush landscaping, recreation rooms, art therapists, and music therapists....I didn't say prisons are like this. I know they are not.

And thank you for the prayers.

98Charlie,
I did hear something about the improvements and the State is now claiming that the medical care is up to constitutional standards.

Notanewbie- You sound like one of those conspiracy theory type people....I wonder how many victims have been saved due to the "lock 'em up" attitudes. Sounds worth it to me.

Posted by US_Citizen on November 8, 2008 at 11:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ahhh...I found the prison I mentioned earlier. It is in Illinois. Heres what I see:

A beautifull state of the art building from the outside.

Park area outside to relax and enjoy.

Inside shot of the inside that looks like an executive building.

Full size basketball court-Ping Pong tables-Pool Tables-Air Hockey and State of the art work out room.

Cell with door, made mostly of glass with a view to the outside, I guess to let the sun in, bars on the other side-Nicely padded bed-shelves-TV!!-Table and chair-Plenty of blankets.

This pisses me off people!!!

I copied and pasted this that was written at the bottom of the last picture:

@ PRISON
You spend most of your time in a 10X10 cell
@ WORK
You spend most of your time in a 6X6 cubicle
@ PRISON
You get three fully paid for meals a day
@ WORK
You get a break for one meal, and you have to pay for it
@ PRISON
For good behavior, you get time off
@ WORK
For good behavior, you get more work
@ PRISON
The guard locks and unlocks all the doors for you
@ WORK
You must carry a security card and open all the doors yourself
@ PRISON
You can watch TV and play games
@ WORK
You could get fired for watching
TV and playing games
@ PRISON
You get your own toilet
@ WORK
You have to share the toilet with
people who pee on the seat
@ PRISON
They allow your family and friends to visit
@ WORK
You aren't even supposed
to speak to your family
@ PRISON
All expenses are paid by the taxpayers with no work required on your part
@ WORK
You must pay all your expenses to go
to work, and they deduct taxes from
your salary to pay for prisoners
@ PRISON
You spend most of your life inside bars wanting to get out
@ WORK
You spend most of your time wanting
to get out and go inside bars
@ PRISON
You must deal with sadistic wardens
@ WORK
They are called 'managers'

THERE IS SOMETHING SERIOUSLY WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE.

Posted by NottaNewbieNameGame on November 8, 2008 at 12:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ironwoman -

Wait a minute. You wonder whether any victims have even been saved by 'lock 'em up' policies??

Have you ever questioned your unshakable support for 'lock 'em up' policies to look at whether it even prevents crime, reduces ricidivism and makes our communities safer? Apparently not.

Since you obviously don't care about public safety or facts, is it safe to assume that your motives are financial?

A more appropriate and responsible question to ask is how many additional victims are created by 'lock 'em up' policies?

If you think 'lock 'em up' policies are the answer, you have no right to be against putting any prison in YOUR backyard.

Posted by NottaNewbieNameGame on November 8, 2008 at 12:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

US_Citizen -

Prison inmates get to go to work too! They work hard to increase profits of American corporations who have contracted with the prisons for "prison labor".

It's significantly less expensive than sending the jobs overseas, and way cheaper than hiring illegals. They don't have to pay employee benefits, and they have complete control their workforce. Corporations just love it!! Sure, let's keep jobs in America! LOL!!!

Just ask some former Boeing employees who found themselves in the unemployment lines.

Posted by capt_jack on November 8, 2008 at 12:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What a joke. A waste of tax dollars.

Nottanewbienamegame- I don't usually debate but I would have to say that murderers inside prisons make a community much safer.

What exactly are you proposing? Hug-a-thug?

Posted by US_Citizen on November 8, 2008 at 12:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Newbie, I know they work too. As I stated, I just copied and pasted what was at the bottom of the pictures that I described of the prison. Mainly making a point to a few who feel prisoners don't have any amenities, like tv's and recreation. Maybe some prisons don't but from what I have seen, some do and obviously some more so than others. That is what I have a problem with. As I have stated I am tired of the do gooders who seem to be more concerned with prisoners than victims.

Posted by YapYap on November 8, 2008 at 1:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Especially for US_Citizen and all other people who think prison is a girl scout camp: Watch this... if you dare. And I gotta put a warning here, this is not for the faint hearted.

I give you the US prison system as it is in reality, as opposed to the PR stuff you get to see on TV:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.i...

It takes a British TV station (Channel 4) to show American citizens the truth. This is why the press is not allowed inside California's prisons. This is what the CCPOA and the CCA don't want you to see. So go ahead and watch it.

Then we'll talk about how to straighten out this mess.

Posted by NottaNewbieNameGame on November 8, 2008 at 1:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

capt_jack -

What I am asking is that people simply look at the facts. I think we all agree that violent offenders need to be incarcerated. This is not the segment of the prison population I am referring to. Violent offenders make up less than 30 percent of the entire inmate population.

Think of it this way, if you caught your child shoplifting a candy bar, would it be responsible parenting to send your kid to hang out with gangbangers as punishment? Of course not. Should anyone be shocked if it was discovered that your kid was now stealing cars? Of course not!

So why do we keep sending non-violent first time offenders, the majority of which are people with substance abuse and mental health issues, to prison AKA crime school? Does this make sense? Since this does not address the root problems, we already know that these people will simply continue through our revolving doors of our penal system.

You want to build more prisons simply to house the criminals the system created?

We need to be identifying exactly what it is we are we trying to accomplish? Do we want to reduce crime or produce criminals? Without question, our current 'lock 'em up' policies produce criminals.

Posted by NottaNewbieNameGame on November 8, 2008 at 1:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ironwoman -

One more question . . . Can you let us know exactly what measureable benefits we can expect to see? The public would love to evaluate the effectiveness of your 'lock 'em up' policies?

I think the public has a right to demand a measurable return on our significant investments. We know the prison industry is enjoying record profits with all of this.

Insider Tip: Don't invest in gold - invest in the prison industry!!

Posted by ironwoman on November 8, 2008 at 1:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nottanewbie- Children shoplifting a candy bar does not result in prison. Do you not understand that? To get to prison, you have to have a significant "rap" sheet or a serious crime. It's not a one time candy bar thief that gets to prison.

As far as measurable benefits, it's a no-brainer that dangerous people belong out of society.
I find it difficult to assume that the prison industry is looking for profit when it's public safety that matters. Locking them up is positive for society, at least for those that want to be safe.

So relax, you have encountered someone who doesn't share your view. I believe it's called an opinion.

Posted by US_Citizen on November 8, 2008 at 2:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

YapYap, I tried to open the up, but I can't. I went to the website, and from what I see there, that is in reference to war crimes, not saying it is right, but we are talking about the street criminals and murders, rapists, gang bangers here. Not military prisons. That is a whole different subject.

Posted by NottaNewbieNameGame on November 8, 2008 at 3:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ironwoman -

Swooosh!! My candy bar analogy just went flying right over your head, didn't it?

Are you a card carrying CCPOA union member by any chance?

Less than 30 percent of the prison inmate population are violent offenders. The rest of the inmate population provide job security to the CCPOA.

Why do you think the CCPOA spent such an enormous amount of money to ensure Prop 5 didn't pass? What makes you think that prison guards care about reducing crime when they will only benefit when inmate populations increase, harsher longer sentencing laws are in place, mandatory minimums are enforeced, and high ricidivism rates are ensured.

The more people we incarcerate, the more correctional officers we need to hire, who by the way, are card carrying, dues paying CCPOA union members.

Are you that uninformed? C'mon, the CCPOA (The California Correctional Peace Officers Association) is the most POWERFUL union/lobbying group in the state of California. They represent their union members. Which means jobs, and job security.

Massive lobbying efforts and campaign contributions by the CCPOA have focused on securing passage of numerous legislative bills favorable to union members, including bills that increase prison terms, member pay, and criminalize drug use and other victimless crimes.

Posted by capt_jack on November 8, 2008 at 4:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nottanewbienamegame

I don't want to burst your bubble but I didn't say that I wanted more prisons. I think it's a waste of tax money. I agree with locking people up. You sound like a criminal advocate that needs to start writing letters to your legislature because i for one don't care about your "letting the criminals free" attitude. The system doesn't create the criminal. The criminal chose to break laws.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on November 8, 2008 at 5:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

US_Citizen , Sorry I read your post wrong. Didn't know you were using examples. I really thought you were talking about your life. Thank God you weren't. I have a very good internist and if I am extremely ill I can get in within a day or two. If not I go to the Emergency room. We do have great medical insurance Thank God. Cause in the last two years I have had to call an ambulance three times. I just believe that if we do not give them some rights even small ones then they will come out worse then they went in. And if you think the food is anything to mention, its not edible for a dog. You go to breakfast, grab a brown paper bagged sack lunch, then back to dinner. Most do not go and even eat in the hall unless they have to . If they are lucky enough to have someone put money on thier books to buy a small package of .10cent top ramen that they pay .89 cents for. SO there again the prisons make a fortune off of selling them commisary.

NottaNewbieNameGame ,I agree......its all about profits. They can easily reduce the prison population for low crime incidents.
US_Citizen ,I have no clue what prison your talking about. It must be a level one prison. Cause you will never see those things in a level three or four prison. And you will never see those things in the state of California. in fact its hard for me to take in and believe the article you read. Not saying you made it up,just that I find that hard to believe.
have to stop before I get too many letters here BRB

Posted by THESILKY1 on November 8, 2008 at 5:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Too bad Clark,I feel for you! (NOT)

Maybe next time guy.

Since the California State Employees are going to get blasted twice by the Gov, both in taxes and in lost wages.

I would think that Clark and his minions could also take one for the team, after all, they are nothing more than overpriced State Employees, with the highest over inflated salaries in State Government, to include a 33% bonus this year.

Who pays for Clark and his lackeys, guess?
That's right, Johnny, the California Tax Payers (YOU)!

You will soon meet Mr. Stapler, Clark's $200,000 messenger boy. Nice!

Clark needs to grow up, and be honest with the, Governor,Controller,Audits,Finance,LAO, and the California State Tax Payers as to how his Receivership, is spending California Tax Payer's money.

I Recommend the California Legislature request an Independent Audit on the California Prison Receivership Corp, and Judge Thelton Henderson as to how they are spending our Federal and State tax dollars.This would surely shed some light on the Receivership's spending habits, and how our tax dollars have been spent for Kelso's CRUSADE!

The Silky one.....

Posted by THESILKY1 on November 8, 2008 at 5:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.sacbee.com/114/story/13804...

I don't know where the Star gets information,but this article is a little more complete.

The Silky one....

Posted by AnnaWhaat on November 8, 2008 at 6:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

capt_jack ,I do not think Notanewbe is talking about level four prisoners. Look at the whole story.
US_Citizen ,Dont know who your talking about ,when you post someone cares more about the prisoners then the victims. Anymore they will give you a strike for anything........even making a threat. And how about the guy who took a pack of the cheap .50 donuts at the liguor store thinking his friend had paid for them and got another strike and was facing 25 to life?
This three strikes law is a big freaking joke!!!!
Some people who work on the states grounds and work in the prisons actually live and raise thier children there in the homes that are right next to the prison. They feel perfectly safe.
NottaNewbieNameGame,I really think people want them to become violent prisoners while being incarcerated. All this crap of let Bubba get a hold of him. Well let me tell you Bubba may be out walking the streets one day next to your son or daughter and get that same urge he had in prison to rape. Well ,why complain ? You all wished this type of behavior right?
capt_jack ,The prison system devinately does make the criminal worse . They are much worse coming out then they went in...... I fully understood everything he wrote. And I agree!
The cheating marries guards who have sex with the females in prison. Did you know this was happening? How did they get that indian ink into prison? THe guard brought it in after he had is way with her!!!!! Now I am talking about a female prison. Mens prison is much worse. You can't safely walk anywhere. Even non-violent offenders. You have to watch your back constantly. And God forbid if you white you talk to a black person in prison! You will probably be dead with-in a few days. If not then badly injured. Prison makes people worse and makes them racist !!!! NO I am NOT defending people that should be there! Im sure as stated above that about 30% probably should be there forever. But California has the highest prison rate out of any state.

Posted by THESILKY1 on November 8, 2008 at 8:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I want the California Legislature to perform an Independent Audit of the California Prison Receivership and Federal Judge Thelton Henderson.

This would be money well spent! and save the State of California and the Tax Payers, 8 Billion Dollars.

How about it Jerry and Audra?

This is long overdue.

The Silky one......

Posted by 98Charlie on November 9, 2008 at 1:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The Silk has a point.
An audit is a great idea--watch those bureaucrats run for cover.

At the same time, Kelso's Plan to bring prison healthcare up to constitutional standards should be re-examined as well. In his own words--one or two new facilities might be enough to solve the problem. Who knows if a 1500 bed facility will work anyway? This is uncharted territory and It would be wise to dip a toe into the water instead of diving in head-first.

The AG and and our elected representatives should do their job for a change and find a solution to this mess. Audra, I got a lot of your flyers telling me how you are going to fight against the prison, and I'm calling you out. Strap it up and start fighting--call for the audit.

Posted by THESILKY1 on November 9, 2008 at 4:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

AUDIT! AUDIT! AUDIT! AUDIT!

If two of Kelso's Staff runs for cover, will all know, what the truth of the matter is all about.

To the AG, Audra, PHAC, and others. Push the issue to the limit, for an Independent Audit. Not an audit from the BOSA, but an Independent Audit. This will really get down to the unchecked spending of the California Prison Receivership.

You can start with the list of purchased State vehicles,Contracts,Salaries,Consultants,Employee Benefits,Travel Expense Claims,and that is just for starters.

Charlie you are right, this subject is uncharted, and might not be necessary, at all.

The 8 Billion Dollar Question??

The Silk...

Posted by ecarson1958 on November 10, 2008 at 8:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If you want to know where all of the money is from the correctional institutions, check out these fat cats. You won't believe it. INSANE

http://www.sacbee.com/1098/story/7358...

Posted by at8man on November 10, 2008 at 11:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Who in the heck appointed this guy Kelso and developed his agenda? If it was Arnold and he wants him to step back, he should just direct him to step back or get fired.

Posted by THESILKY1 on November 10, 2008 at 8:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.lao.ca.gov/analysis_2007/c...

ECARSON, GREAT POST!

The List of Shame!

Kelso, arranged for the Correctional Health Care Professionals to get large raises.

This caused a Domino Effect throughout the State for all Health Care Professionals,to include DMH, DDS and others. Their salaries also increased, so they would not jump ship and go to work for Corrections.

You can read about this in the LAO Report,it's about 1/2 way down the Report I posted.

You can also review in the LAO Report Clark-mans own List of Shame! The list in the LAO Report on the Receivership Corps salaries is ridiculous.

This is some real pork, for the trimming!

The Silk......

Posted by THESILKY1 on November 10, 2008 at 8:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

AT8MAN,

It was the Federal Judge Thelton Henderson of the Ninth Court District in San Francisco.

The place where Clark served as a Clerk in his early days.

What are the Ties?

While trimming excess pork fat, be careful if the pig has lip-stick??

The Silk......

Posted by Shnockle on November 12, 2008 at 3:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why do we have stupid judges? If any normal person wasn't paying money promised years ago, they would not get the same treatment.

Oh well, Federal judges are meeting soon anyway to decide the fate of CA prisons. Hopefully they will do justice.

I hate all of you on here who know nothing about the CDCr and talk bad about our prisoners. You brought this upon yourself. You vote for stupid laws like prop 9 and then whine about what you caused. Grow a pair and own up to your stupidity.

-An Inmate's Proud Wife :)