Posted by pific on May 14, 2008 at 7:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What can we say?? Thru attrition, they are doing great. My question, will this result in additional shootings??

Posted by Hueneme_girl29 on May 14, 2008 at 7:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

So sad to see a life so short gone. 21? Not good. Why do people choose to run with gangs? Just a death sentence. Condolences to the famiy.

Posted by Camdad101 on May 14, 2008 at 8:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Pretty sad. When will this idiots ever learn?

Posted by BooBoo on May 14, 2008 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Its so sad that this shooting happened to Cristobal. He was a great guy. My condolences are for his family and the two little ones he left behind. Lets hope that there will be justice and finding the guys that did this. RIP Cristobal..

Posted by ivansito04 on May 14, 2008 at 8:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I pray for La Familia Flores to have the strength to get thru this difficult time. God Bless you Chris, may the Lord hold you in his arms as he welcomes you to Heaven. I will always remember you as a little kid you always wanted to play with us. I remember in those days we used to Play waterballon fights with the other street and you were one of the smallest on our side never afraid. May your soul rest in peace.

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Posted by BeaHappi on May 14, 2008 at 8:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Another wasted life. I don't think the idiots will ever learn Camdad101.

Everyone will just cry at this guys' grave and his mom will talk about what a good son he was and there will be plans made for retaliation and the cycle continues.

The maddening part of this is that there are probably plenty of decent families who live in that area and are just doing their best to live their lives. And then these hoodlums start their crap, making it unsafe for people to leave their homes.

Sadly, I just don't ever see the gangs going away. Very tragic and needless.

Posted by 805Mommaof2 on May 14, 2008 at 8:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow...how cold people can be, PJlove10, your user name is ironic, you don't sound like someone whom has love at all. You must not have known him, I didn't know him personally but I know his family and I feel deeply for them. If you can't say something nice, then don't say anything at all, it's amazing how freedom of speech is abused, use that luxury to make a difference, not just to be mean and hurtful!

Condolences to the Flores Family, you are in our prayers, God Bless you and your family! God be with us all.

Posted by BeaHappi on May 14, 2008 at 8:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

805Mommaof2...I'm sure that his family is devastated. So many families are devastated by this type of violence. But are they devastated enough to do anything to try and curtail the gang activity?

I didn't know the victim, don't know if he was in a gang or not. But in my opinion until the families and friends of those involved with gangs stand up and say "no more!" and truly start working to erradicate the problem, there is just going to be more of the same.

It's too bad really...that those involved in gangs think that this is the best way to live.

Posted by TiquisiaPrincess on May 14, 2008 at 9:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What a terrible tragedy. My condolences to his family. Does anyone know his family? There are support groups here in Oxnard that will help his family through this difficult time. I know of one and they can be reached at vc.pomc@yahoo.com if anyone knows them please have them contact them.

BeaHappi, you said something very true. It's important that people become more invovled and try to make a change in our community.

My prayers are with the Flores Family.

Posted by 805Mommaof2 on May 14, 2008 at 9:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

In response to your comment BeaHappi, I am sure there are pleanty families that do try to stop their children from heading down that path, I can speak on that situation as it is one that I am familiar with, my brother is from a good family, my Dad never had any gang ties, has worked hard all his life and is the best person I know, he did all but put my brother in a bubble to protect him. What is the answer? Certainly, I do not agree with those who are the gang members raising gang member types and see no wrong in their own doing, but when that is not the case, what is the corrective action? We are all our own people, who make our own decisions, a lot of times the families do all that they can, but ultimately it is that individuals choice.

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Posted by pjlove10 on May 14, 2008 at 10:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ok, I'll stop now... seriously. Truly a tragic loss. My condolences to the families involved.

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Posted by Relvd98 on May 14, 2008 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My heartfelt condolences to his loved ones, especially his twin baby boys.

Posted by OhNo on May 14, 2008 at 10:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Out of the millions of places you can go to comment on the laker game tonight heartless idiots have to come on the one place where people can come and comment on the loss of a young life.

To the family, I am sorry for your loss.

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Posted by JeannetteMedrano on May 14, 2008 at 12:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My heartfelt sorrow goes out to the family of this young man. Death in what ever the manner, is always disturbing. May this family be granted the peace they need to get through this. God Bless!

For those interested, please join us....

Gang Violence Prevention Meeting
Thursday, May 15th, 6-7pm
Fillmore Middle School Gym
Presented by: VC Probation Agency

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Posted by lilmamma on May 14, 2008 at 12:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My prayers are with the family. It's sad there two children will never know their father. The guys who shot him were probably young too. Older people are living longer than the younger ones. Making it to 30 must be a miracle these days.

Posted by Relvd98 on May 14, 2008 at 1:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jdub17-how sure are you that the family reads all these comments? Are you a family member of theirs?

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Posted by richardg on May 14, 2008 at 1:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why do some people think that "robots" will eventually have a conscience mind of their own? I mean people are scared thinking that robots will think for them self's, and then take over the human world...

When in reality us "people" have a conscience mind of our own, but yet we act like "robots" with no feelings, or emotions towards one another. Therefore the world is how it is today! and WITHOUT ROBOTS!!! WOW!

My point is we shouldnt comment if it has no relavence to the STORY! This is such an awful thing to happen to any family!

My thoughts and condolences to the family of this young man.

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Posted by BeaHappi on May 14, 2008 at 2:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What's really embarrassing is to live in a community filled with gang-bangers and felons who have no regard for their life or anyone else's life.

I didn't know Mr. Flores and have no idea if he was in a gang or not. It is very sad that his kids will grow up without a father. Hopefully their mother and other family members will prevent his kids from going down the gang path. That would be a fitting tribute to his memory...a better life for his children.

Posted by cindoh23 on May 14, 2008 at 2:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think you all need to see what the reality is that a young man is killed... shot down and you are talking about the lakers... how disrespectful could you be to the family...

He was a young man with two wonderful kids. You people have no respect for the family. Remember Karma....

Posted by pjlove10 on May 14, 2008 at 2:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oxnard's been in the dumps for years. The stigma attached to living here is horrible, even if we own homes here. People automatically assume you live in a crappy neighborhood. And these types of horrible crimes just ad fuel to the fire. Terrible tragedy.

Posted by cindoh23 on May 14, 2008 at 2:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you star for taking out those hateful comment.

Posted by high_society on May 14, 2008 at 2:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What's really embarrassing is that not enough people stand up against it. We live our daily lives and only remember these things when it is convenient.

My condolences to the family.

Posted by cast on May 14, 2008 at 3:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

you know i am sickend at some of your comments.You have little regard for human life.Some of you think just like the low lifes you talk about.Have you ever thought that with all the killings these gangbangers do.God forbid one of you might be a inocent by stander? it's not like they know how to shot a gun.Come on now show some respect.i wonder how many of your Mothers would be proud of your comments..its know wonder some of your spouses are with your bestfriends!!!!KARMA

Posted by jdub17 on May 14, 2008 at 3:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't know why my comment was removed, but I just said the same thing as cindoh23 and cast.

Posted by pjlove10 on May 14, 2008 at 4 p.m. (Suggest removal)

cast - Please, take a basic grammer/spelling course, not to be taken as an insult. But you have tons of errors there.

With that being said, I am saddened by the loss of life here. But I am in no way feeling "sorry", or showing "respect" to anyone that was involved in any type of gang killing, crime, or whatever the case may be. I don't even know the full story, but let me say this. Where were people expressing all the "showing how much you care and condolences all around" to this person that was killed? Face it, it's a horrible tragedy, but one that could of been avoided if people would make up their own minds, keep out of trouble, and respect others.

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Posted by jdub17 on May 14, 2008 at 4:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Relvd98: As you can see from ivansito04's post at 8:14 am, friends of the victim DO read the comments.

Posted by just_saying on May 14, 2008 at 4:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PJ: it's "grammar." You should try taking your own advice.

Posted by shaffesq on May 14, 2008 at 4:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Chris came from a hard working, loving family of 14 children. He leaves behind twin boys. Chris was always a good kid. He was just getting his life started, was looking forward to a promising job interview, and was dressing in suits the past week while interviewing for jobs. His eyes showed compassion for others and the inocence of a child. He will be missed greatly.

Posted by SHEILA on May 14, 2008 at 5:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

-Geez.. all I said was "It's embarassing to live in a community filled with people who do not have any tact." Not sure why my comment was removed. I'm not the type of person who start feuds on forums that are about a person's death. People who do that are clearly emotionally deranged.

Posted by santabarbarasand on May 14, 2008 at 5:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

""This appears to be an isolated incident and not a result of any previous incidents," Seitz wrote. "Overall, this has been a very quiet year regarding gang crimes."

Oxnard has seen a downturn in crime in recent years. In 2007, no gang-related homicides were reported in the city, Police Chief John Crombach said in January."

Are you serious? The paper is FULL of gang violence, if this is a downturn I would hate to see what an increase would look like! Sickening.

Posted by peterpan11 on May 14, 2008 at 6:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Its so unfortunate this happened. But when you choose to become a gang-member thats the chance you take everyday. I know his sister, Araceli well and she is definately a great person and will be in my prayers and my heart. I just really hope that Cristobal's little brother stops being a little gangster himself and shapes up and doesn't become the next victim.

From a family friend.....

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Posted by zulumaster on May 14, 2008 at 8:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

He chose to be a gangster, animals killing animals

Posted by RaiderSam123 on May 14, 2008 at 10:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Chris was a bright young man, who always had a smile on his face.
Unfortunately he chose the wrong crowd to socialize with and made his share of poor decisions in the latter part of his short life. He was not a bad student or person, he just made some bad decisions. Ultimately his final bad decision to be out late with some buddies on a Tuesday night was met with tragedy. Prayers and condolences go out to his family and friends.

Posted by RaiderSam123 on May 14, 2008 at 10:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

zulumaster,
I also pray for you and the other senseless serial bloggers that you all become enlightened and realize that your sreading of hatred actually makes society worse. All you are doing is infuriating others during their time of grief.

Posted by chachas on May 14, 2008 at 10:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Where exactly is the street El Dorado located?

Posted by Tom_Johnston on May 14, 2008 at 10:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow...that's an awful lot of posts removed by Star staff...

Any kind of violence, including that which may or may not, be gang related is bad thing.

The veiled violence of attitudes, as often comes out on these boards is also bad.

Posted by Metalhaid on May 14, 2008 at 10:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, I don't think I've ever seen so many posts taken down.
What a tragedy...but the real tragedy is that no one will learn from this, the violence will continue, and the whole awful spiral will eventually drag down the whole community until people finally grow a pair and say ENOUGH! THE VIOLENCE STOPS HERE!
I challenge all gangbangers out there to be MAN enough to say THE VIOLENCE STOPS WITH ME and make the choice to be around to raise their kids... not in prison, not in jail, not deported, but to be responsible, successful, useful members of society.
Sadly, I don't think I'll have any takers...

Posted by mike_honcho on May 15, 2008 at 8:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Does anyone feel sad for terrorists?? Because if you don't, then I ask why do you feel bad for this "Street Terrorist? Gang members are terrorists. These gang members rob citizens at gun point then beat them after taking their money. They steal from and rob local businesses. They break into homes and cars in the neighborhoods they "claim". They instill fear in those who live in their neighborhoods. They sell guns and drugs and assault and kill anyone who gets in their way no matter if they are rival gang members or not. So I ask you, do you feel sad for terrorists?

Posted by MOffermann on May 15, 2008 at 10:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You do realize, you are arguing on the internet. .
Feel empathy for the family, but realize that their son made the CHOICE to be involved in a gang. I know it hurts, and I hope they realize that it isn't their faults.

Posted by daugtherofimmigrant on May 15, 2008 at 11:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Brucevacumesrooster - I think anyone with a heart is saddened by any death whether that person was a good one or a bad one, because it was a life, a life with so many possibilities and it was waisted and the result of his choices he is now dead. Perhaps in your eyes a useless one, but still a life. I think they feel for the family and the kids that will now be without a father, a brother or son. Maybe not the greatest dad but indeed a dad. Who are we to say what kind of person he was to his family and friends, he was a "gangster" and to us perhaps they are useless, but they do have family that loves them no matter who they are or what they do. I think that is who we are sorry for, those people that are hurting for that person they will never see again. Yes..yes.yes because of his own choices, but they will still no longer see that person they loved.
About the other story about a child being killed accidently? Im not sure what "dee,dee,dee" stands for, but If you are talking about the one in Santa Paula, which I hope you are not, he ran over a baby that was riding on a wagon, on a side walk, how fast was he going and what the hell was the driver doing on a side walk? After hitting the wagon, he did a 360 and fled the scene, do you know why? Because he had violated parole! He ran over a baby and didn't stop to help, he left!! So does anyone here want people to pay for a crime that is commited. Oh but of course. Especially when a baby is involved, that just hits home, and do I want him to rot in jail, you best believe. BUT I still feel sorry for his punk as* because there goes another life waisted! Again I hope you weren't talking about the SP story, because anyone who commits an accidental crime stays to help, apologize and give their side of the story. Unless you have violated parole of course.

Posted by daugtherofimmigrant on May 15, 2008 at 2:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Vacuum rooster, I apologize you must have known Chris since you know how he treated everyone else in the community?
You obviously didn't get what I was trying to say. You asked why someone could feel sorry for one and not the other. I think it was obvious, the gangster is dead and he has family who are now hurting. Those are the people we felt sorry for, those who are hurting, I don't care if it was because Chris made a bad choice, I feel for the family, their pain. YOU GET IT, THE FAMILY, NOT THE CHOLO, T-H-E F-A-M-I-L-Y. As to the coward who ranned over the 2 year old baby and left the scene, yeah I feel sorry for him too. I would hate to be him in jail for the rest of my life. His life will not be a pretty one, but you know what we all end up paying for what we do, the gangster is dead, and the baby killer will be in jail.
And your sarcastic comment to "immigrate" if you were trying to be funny, or prove a point, or what ever you were trying to do, that doesn't phase me, I am proud of who I am, and what I do. Just like you are proud of vacuuming roosters.

Posted by LivinInPoorMansPV on May 15, 2008 at 3:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Life wasted, how was his life wasted, do you know how many lives he "wasted" killed due to being in a gang? Ignorant! Plus with the way gangsters "homies" with there huge set and thrive off of retaliation, hopefully some more of these "poor wasted innocent people" are wasted! Put them all on an island and let them fight it to the death already, and get out of my face!

Posted by daugtherofimmigrant on May 15, 2008 at 3:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rooster- i would like to think you are an adult, if we didn't do everything our parents wanted us to do as children what makes you think we would listen as adults. Parents can do so much, what was the family to do, stay home and watch him 24/7 not let him go anywhere do anything? His family most likely has a life and jobs so keeping watch is nearly impossible. Or are you saying that every gangster in this world is a gangster because their parents didn't care and they let them join? We have gangsters that were raised as gangsters, but then there are those that come from decent families. My point again is that a family in Oxnard lost a loved one, I don't care who he was, I feel for the family, and I don't think you are understanding that. Again you asked how we can feel for this guy, I do because it was a waste of life, there are so many people out there dying from cancer and other terminal diseases that wished they could have had this guys health and opportunity of life. Yes so the family most likely knew he was a gangster and the chances that he would die by a gun shot were more likely than dying of natural causes, but honestly you think that because they knew he was a gangster they shouldnt feel pain or hurt, or cry? I cry with First 48 and I don't live near or know any of these people.

Posted by daugtherofimmigrant on May 15, 2008 at 3:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Livinpoormanspv - Wasted as in he didn't put his life, his self, his ability to good use. Dork!
I will agree with you that I am ignorant BUT only of how many people Chris killed. Obviously you do so why don't you tell us.

Posted by Ms_California on May 16, 2008 at 11:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have an idea... why don't all of you who say Chris was this wonderful person yada yada yada... all send monitary contributions to antigang organizations in Chris' name! Stop making excuses and reasoning for his life and death. It's plain as vanilla, he was a gangbanger and now he is dead because of it. Do you honestly think he took into consideration the lives of his children & his family with his way of living? NO! or he would have changed his lifestyle and got away from the gangs. So write your little checks now kiddies.

Posted by daugtherofimmigrant on May 16, 2008 at 4:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Vacuum rooster (Ms. California) - I am not sure if your message was directed to me or not but I will go ahead and respond, Feeling sorry for a family who lost a family member to me just comes naturally. I can feel sorry for whom ever the heck I want. I don't care who the peson was, I guess I feel for anyone who is suffering over losing a lost one. Of course sometimes I feel worse for some than others, for example, the mother who lost her only son, I wish there was something I could do to bring that child back to her, I wish I could somehow some way take her pain away, But I am not a miracle worker, on the other hand, would I do something to bring the life back of a gangster, I would actually think about.

Posted by daugtherofimmigrant on May 16, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rooster...You say I am making excuses? I don't see how, I never once excused his actions or the reason why he now has a tag on his toe. Just tried to answer your question as to why we felt sorry for one person and not the other.

Posted by hamskid on May 16, 2008 at 4:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

For all the people who knew this guy and think he was a good gang banger, why don't you hold a car wash and give the money to the police department for their anti-gang programs? Do something to help the community. If he was a good guy, he would want that.

Posted by daugtherofimmigrant on May 16, 2008 at 4:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

do I think he considered his family, or his children, I couldn't tell you because I didn't know him. But what I can answer is this you both are quick to make assumptions you have no idea what I do for a living, away from work, home, or my community. As a matter of fact you have no idea what most of those commenting to this story do. Just so the both of you know a little more about me here it goes; I am a volunteer at the little league field in my hometown, very involved in my son's sports, never have I missed any of his practices nor games, you will always here me cheering for his team supporting them even when they shouldn't have swang the darn bat! Im also a coach for my girls teams, practicing 3-5 days a week 3-6 hrs a day during comps plus run around after a 2 year old son while Im trying to coach & train my girls, I stay behind w/those kids whose parents are running late. I am always there to console my girls team after a competion loss, wipe their tears off(with their parents no where to be found)& tell them that we will get them next time. Im that mom that drives other parents kids around to games and practices because their parents couldn't make it or just find it easier to use me as a taxi. Im the parent that will run around the store after sports practices trying to figure out what my kids friend would want for a bday present. Im the Myspace police as my kids & their friends like to call me, looking to see what they are talking about making sure no funny stuff is going on. Im also the mom that my kids friends come to when they are in a bind or have their heart broken, their BFF is mad at them or they have a "life or death" (like they put it) situation. I pick them up from school, pick up & drop them off at school dances, attend football games, always watching them from a distance again making sure they are behaving. My kids have gone to perform at convelescent homes. My family & I volunteer at food drives, & Xmas events for the less fortunate. Each time we see a homeless person we make sure we give them our extra change or a couple of dollars, what ever they choose to do with it, that is their problem, at least I wont feel guilty that we had enough money to feed them yet we chose to walk right by them. We do donate to special organizations. We attend mass every Sunday and pray for everyone who may be in need of prayer. With all that being said, & haven't even mentioned 1/2 of all I do, yet I havent done enough, this is why I vow that while I live I will help whom ever needs the help without expecting anything in return, hoping I make some what of a difference. My goal is that my kids & their friends become someone in life, someone important, successful, yet never letting them forget that they owe our community, it is their responsibility to offer a helping hand. We as adults are those who will make the difference in our kids lifes.
But you know what I have to go, I have kids whom are waiting for me.

Posted by hamskid on May 20, 2008 at 9:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

DOI...while what you say you do is admirable and I am glad you do it, I think most of us call it being a parent and don't even keep score of what we are doing. We just do it.
I think the parents of gang members missed the day they were handing out "parent genes". If your kid is a gang banger, I would like to see your list of things you did for your kid. Where were you when he/she got involved in the gang? What did you do about it once you found out?