Posted by pific on July 21, 2008 at 7:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sounds to me that there is a lot of info missing here. You know, people with additional information may help police by providing tips that may lead to arrests.

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 21, 2008 at 8:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

11pm, South H Street, there usually isn't very many people out that time of night on that street, good luck with the witnesses.

Posted by mamaof2 on July 21, 2008 at 8:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Too many stabbings and killings going on lately.

Posted by BeaHappi on July 21, 2008 at 9:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

juniormafia_ny...you know what's funny? That guy who was shot by police after running from them (the guy who was trying to break into a truck) reportedly said "don't shoot, don't shoot." As told by the multiple witnesses out in the middle of the night.

But hey, murder in the middle of the night? No one around...

Interesting.

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 21, 2008 at 9:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Very true Bea, I think that a lot of people have been failed by OPD, including myself, that is why they refuse to cooperate or claim to be a witness against OPD.

Posted by Camdad101 on July 21, 2008 at 9:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Witnesses are only up in the middle of the night In Oxnard if the police are the ones doing the deed. Anyone else doing the deed, "Nah, we no see nada".

Hopefully they will get the scum. Maybe it's the same guy that stabbed the Camarillo man last week?

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 21, 2008 at 9:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Camdad, I agree with you, that 'we no see nada' line, could've been left out.

Posted by herefor35years on July 21, 2008 at 10:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

oh yeah there is crime in camarillo what a surprise

Posted by rbmg on July 21, 2008 at 10:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

How weird you mention that Bea. A friend of a friend was going through some tough times and was pulled over by OPD. He knew his time was up after all he had been having tough times (he had not been obeying the law through this) but this was a few days after that guy was shot he happen to know the victims father he was a friend of his. He told me that he had been beaten up so many times before by the OPD that he knew he was way past due for jail but that he was so scared of them beating him up agian or even kill him that he went on a hide speed chase all the way to the CMH in Ventura's ER and surrenderd there. They still hit his head with a gun but he was able to live because all the witnesses outside the ER.

Posted by joeguidojr on July 21, 2008 at 10:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Can somebody please tell me why 99% of these stabbings always involve mexicans and or mexican neighborhoods???

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 21, 2008 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

joeguidojr, Are you sure he is Mexican? Filipinos have spanish names as well... As far as I remember, segregation was abolished decades ago, I don't know of any 'Mexican neighborhoods'.

Posted by goodday on July 21, 2008 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What a sad thing, when will it end..

Posted by CuteFaceChubbyWaist on July 21, 2008 at 10:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I hope that anybody who knows anything about David's Murder comes forward! He was a great guy and will dearly be missed.

RiP David!

Posted by Relvd98 on July 21, 2008 at 10:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I was wondering what he meant when he said, "Mexican neighborhoods"..., never heard of one, atleast not in this county.

Posted by CuteFaceChubbyWaist on July 21, 2008 at 10:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

JuniorMafia_ny.. David was mexican

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 21, 2008 at 10:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Cuteface, I'm sorry for your loss... The point I was trying to make was that people here a spanish name and automatically assume it is another 'Mexican Gangbanger', I was just pointing out that not only Mexicans have spanish names.

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 21, 2008 at 10:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

*people hear*... sorry

Posted by Relvd98 on July 21, 2008 at 10:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey CuteFace...but what Junior and I are questioning is what is a "Mexican neighborhood"?

Posted by CuteFaceChubbyWaist on July 21, 2008 at 10:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah i know what you mean about that Junior.. They swear like if it's only US the mexicans who are always getting into no good.

Posted by joeguidojr on July 21, 2008 at 10:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Just asking the question...

Posted by CuteFaceChubbyWaist on July 21, 2008 at 10:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

HmMm let me go drive around and find a "mexican neighborhood"

Posted by Relvd98 on July 21, 2008 at 10:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And yes, I'm truly sorry for your loss CuteFace =(

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 21, 2008 at 10:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Can I claim my neighborhood as a 'Mexican Neighborhood'? I'll stake a flag and everything...

Posted by CuteFaceChubbyWaist on July 21, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you Rlvd!

lol@junior.. can i do the same?

Posted by joeguidojr on July 21, 2008 at 10:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jeez, sorry guys, I just know that I've driven through neighborhoods and seen only mexicans. Didn't mean to offend...

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 21, 2008 at 10:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

joeguidojr, I can't answer your question, but I know who can... Head south on Oxnard Blvd, Make a left onto Cooper Rd, then make a Right onto Garfield, ask anyone there, I'm sure they'll point you in the right direction. =)

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 21, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Cuteface, you can do anything you set your mind to. =)

Posted by Relvd98 on July 21, 2008 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

joeguidorjy...I now understand what you are trying to say. But maybe, had you worded it differently, the responses would've also differ. You didn't offend anyone, atleast not me.

The fact that you've driven through neighborhoods and the majority you've seen so far are Mexicans, is quite stereotyping.

Which neighborhoods are these anyway?

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 21, 2008 at 10:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm not offended, we just need not generalize... it makes you look... err, ummm... don't what the word is I'm looking for... oh well. =)

Posted by rbmg on July 21, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Prayers to the family. Sorry for your loss.

junior_ my dad beat you to it!Lol.. And he has a Marine and US right next to it.

Posted by Relvd98 on July 21, 2008 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh Junior! Why would you want to send someone to that location?

Bad Junior! Bad Junior!

LOL ;)

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 21, 2008 at 11:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Relvd, lol, you got me... =)

Posted by lxgnzls on July 21, 2008 at 12:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OMG my best friend David Rodriguez died. Where do I send flowers OMG im in shock. I will truely miss my best friend.

Posted by getreal on July 21, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

juniormafia if segregation was done away with years ago they why is there still the MECCA club? Or the BSU? Heaven forbit there be a WSU because that would be racist right? All these clubs and associations do is keep segregation alive and growing.

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 21, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

getreal, I don't know why those clubs are still around... I don't agree with them, I do believe their agenda is not segregation, but the upliftment of their people. In many parts of the US, the WSU is known as the KKK, I'm almost certain. Segregation was law decades ago, these clubs and alliances aren't governed by laws.

Posted by getreal on July 21, 2008 at 12:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree WSU would be the KKK but its a double standard to allow the BSU then. After all black and white are colors not nationalities ie the German club or the African club would be more appropriate. I'm not blaming you for these clubs I'm just pointing out that there is still segregation going on its just hidden as club.

Posted by Camdad101 on July 21, 2008 at 12:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Mexican neighborhood"? It's a accurate way of describing the majority of residents in a given area. This ultra sensitive PC bologna needs to stop. If your neighborhood is majority Latino so what? Own it, love it, be proud of it.

In Oxnard Latinos out number Caucasians 2 to 1. Perhaps "Mexican" is the wrong term as JM points out, there are many non Mexican Latinos in Oxnard. Near Oxnard College there is an area that used to be called Little Manila.

Back to the topic. Sadly people in the Latino community have an ingrained distrust of the police. Much of it based on fabrications and exaggerations such as the post from "rbmg". Still there are cultural divides that we must get past so that Latinos feel more comfortable in speaking with police. More Latino officers on the street, more community outreach ect.

Until the community sends a strong message to these miscreants that they will not tolerate this kind of thing, it will continue.

Posted by CuteFaceChubbyWaist on July 21, 2008 at 12:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Isn't it MECHA not MECCA?

Posted by getreal on July 21, 2008 at 12:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah, MECHA, sorry, hit the wrong button.

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 21, 2008 at 12:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Camdad101, I want to say something about the last part of your post. The police officers that I have encountered have let me down each time... I've stated this before, I was in a hit and run with multiple witnesses, all of the witnesses got the same license plate and vehicle description of the perp, yet OPD cannot find them (Black, Infiniti, Q45, Cal Lic. 3JSF198), I've seen the car many many times... that is mainly what my distrust stems from. The other part, of having more Latino Officers, the Latino officers that I have encountered feel like they have something to prove especially around their caucasian partners, I'd personally rather talk to a Caucasian officer, they are much friendlier. But I do agree, in order to have peace in the streets and stop a lot of this nonsense going on, we need to, as a community, come together and put a little trust in these officers; it is tough to do though.

Posted by Camdad101 on July 21, 2008 at 1:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

JM,

You make some good points. I'm all too familiar with the issue of minority officers turning their back on their own, but I think things are changing. Slowly, but they are changing.

For the life of me I can not figure out why OPD wouldn't follow up on your complaint. How much damage was done? Did you go up the chain of command (not that you should have to)?

Did you ever determine who the RO of the vehicle was? If you do not receive satisfaction from OPD, you can go to the DA's office and file a complaint.

Posted by BeaHappi on July 21, 2008 at 2 p.m. (Suggest removal)

""Mexican neighborhood"? It's a accurate way of describing the majority of residents in a given area. This ultra sensitive PC bologna needs to stop. If your neighborhood is majority Latino so what? Own it, love it, be proud of it."

camdad...for once we agree! Colonia residents for example are primarily Hispanic. Someone might call it a Mexican neighborhood. I don't see anything wrong with that. It is what it is.

Posted by lilmamma on July 21, 2008 at 2 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Another stabbing damn...In the last few months there has been about 5 or 6 stabbings in ventura county.The summer must mean police and dispatchers are on vacation.Last week 4 fat officers were injured when a man was struggling with them. We are paying the police to protect us but obviously they are sitting around letting crime waves happen. I'm sorry that they young man was stabbed my prayers go out to the family.

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 21, 2008 at 2 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My accident happened when I had just turned 18, I'm 25 now... The report came back with the owner of the Vehicle registered as Matthew Swogger, residing in Florida... The Vehicle was California licensed, yet OPD was never able to locate it. I personally, see the vehicle all the time... I'd hate to say it, but the guy driving the car was Hispanic (as am I) and he doesn't fit the description I have in my head, of what a Matthew Swogger would look like. Apologies if this sounds stereotypical.

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 21, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

as far as damage that was done, my bicycle was wrecked, and I have a large numb spot on my leg that never healed...

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 21, 2008 at 2:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think we should call it 'predominantly Mexican neighborhood'... by calling it a 'Mexican neighborhood' it almost seems implied that only Mexicans can and should live there.

Posted by BeaHappi on July 21, 2008 at 2:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

juniormafia_ny...it's like China town in LA or San Francisco. Mostly Chinese residents, chinese restaurants, markets, etc.

You wouldn't say "predominately Chinese China town"...way, way too many words! :~)

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 21, 2008 at 2:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BeaHappi, Hmm I suppose you have a point... I always thought, that 'Chinatown' was a definitive area's name... like 'La Colonia' in Oxnard.

Posted by BeaHappi on July 21, 2008 at 2:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I would liken La Colonia to Chinatown...in regards to nationality of most residents, shops, restaurants, language, etc.

I know that some other Oxnard neighborhoods (i.e. "little Manila" as pointed out above) have primarily one race living there, but I don't know that they are as large as La Colonia.

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 21, 2008 at 2:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

we're on the same page, Bea... I think =)

Posted by alex.poet on July 21, 2008 at 2:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Maybe they should start calling S. Oxnard "Little Tiajuana."

Maybe if our neighbors started being friendly with the neighbors we could actually see the bad apples and do something about them.

Oxnard's sense of community is pretty much nil and that saddens me.

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 21, 2008 at 2:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What happens, Yani?

Posted by BeaHappi on July 21, 2008 at 3:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We are on the same page junior! :~)

Okay, the tangent is officially too big! My point was in response to the innocent comment above that included "Mexican neighborhood." Not a big deal to phrase it this way, in my humble (caucasian with a sprinkling of American Indian) opinion.

Posted by njnp on July 21, 2008 at 3:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

juniormafia_ny, you need to get a life,job ,girlfriend or boyfriend your getting to carried away.you got to much time on your hands.

Posted by BeaHappi on July 21, 2008 at 3:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

njnp...junior's on my payroll; I pay him to post here so that we can banter back and forth!

alex.poet...I agree with you about Oxnard's almost nil sense of community. We are very lucky in that we have a strong sense of community with the neighbors in our neighborhood, but city-wide it just doesn't exist. Other than us Oxnardian posters banding together to fend off the bashing comments.

PS: how are the kitties?

Posted by sirdvsdsw on July 21, 2008 at 3:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Holy egg foo young NJNP, pop a xanax.

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 21, 2008 at 4 p.m. (Suggest removal)

NJNP, I do have a life and a job... notice my comments are from 8AM to 4PM, while I work, I'm a multi-tasker... Time to go live life, Good night everyone!

Posted by sugaNspice on July 21, 2008 at 4:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What, you get out at 4? Not fair! G'nite Junior =)

Posted by sirdvsdsw on July 21, 2008 at 4:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i want the 8 to 4 shift, ill trade it for my 9 to 5

Posted by njnp on July 21, 2008 at 4:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

beahappi,
have some respect for the family of the deceased.can't you find a different forum to write your nonsense,is this what your parents taught you. have some compassion for people that are in crises.I can't begin to tell you how childish and degrading you sound.

"rest in paradise David"

Posted by BeaHappi on July 21, 2008 at 4:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

njnp...why are you calling me out? I did not say one degrading thing about the victim. I'm sure his family is hurting and it's tragic that there was yet another murder in Oxnard.

If someone in my family was murdered this would be the LAST thing that I was doing - reading these comments.

Posted by goodday on July 21, 2008 at 4:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LOL..that was funny njnp and sirdvsdsw..LMAO

Posted by njnp on July 21, 2008 at 4:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Beahappi,
I am not calling you out, I wish I could open your eyes, you could only phantom what the victims family is going thru if only you could walk in there shoes for one day then you would know what hurt feels like. I do not wish this on you or anyone else.

Posted by joeguidojr on July 21, 2008 at 5:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No answers...

Again, I ask, why do these stabbings occur 99% of the time in "predominantly" mexican neighborhoods. Maybe there's some cultural issues that mexican folks to examine and possibly change??? Instead of bravado and machismo, they should teach education and proper assimilation...

Posted by BeaHappi on July 21, 2008 at 5:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm sure it's horrible what they are going through. No one should have to experience the murder of a family member yet so many continue to. It's tragic.

joeguidojr...in regards to locally I think that there are many reasons. In Oxnard obviously there are a few large Hispanic gangs and of course the violence that seems to go along with that.

Also in Oxnard, the majority population is Hispanic, so statistically speaking, there will be more crime associated with Hispanics.

Culturally, there does seem to be a good deal of "machismo" as you mentioned. Fighting over stupid words spoke. Fighting over a neighborhood. Fighting over drugs...so many reasons that seem senseless considering how many lives are being lost.

In Compton or Watts most of the crime is associated with African-Americans because the majority of the population is of that race.

It's epidemic for sure...and sad. Sad that so many young people are dying violent deaths for NOTHING.

Posted by getreal on July 22, 2008 at 7:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BeaHappi, Camarillo for instance is "predominantly" white and we have far less stabbings than Oxnard. We have far less crime in general than Oxnard. It's becoming known that "predominantly" hispanics commit the crime, any crime.

Posted by reality_hurts on July 22, 2008 at 8:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Its reality people , Oxnards crimes are moslty committed by Latinos..
You can hate all you want but its the TRUTH!

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 22, 2008 at 9:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The community in Oxnard is mostly Latino, that is why most crime in Oxnard is most committed by Latino's... Reality_Hurts, get a reality check, you stated the obvious.

Posted by getreal on July 22, 2008 at 9:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jr explain how Camarillo is mostly white but crime is still committed by Latinos? Thats the obvious.

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 22, 2008 at 11:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

That's the million dollar question... although I hate to use this argument, the crime is usually committed by people that live in poverty... while Camarillo might be a far cry from poverty, Barry St. isn't exactly Beverly Hills.

Oxnard is pre-dominantly Latino / Hispanic... the poverty ridden neighborhoods in Oxnard are also Latino / Hispanic... Not all of Oxnard is Poverty ridden, mind you.

Posted by mamaof2 on July 22, 2008 at 12:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Crime is committed by certain races due to a many diff. reasons. not all latinos are bad and not all the crimes committed in VC our committed by them. there are many reasons why the majority are committed by latino though, until u have actually experienced first hand of what it is like to grow up in a "latino culture" u will never understand the life they lead. do not hate the race but hate the actions the crime commiters are commiting. Things arent going to get any better i can tell u that much the only thing we can do as individuals is to stop spreading hate against races that arent our own and understand that no matter where u come from or what u do we are human and never perfect and everyone will be judged at one time. it is not our job to judge, leave punishments up to our judicial system and God.

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 22, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mamaof2, that is what I am saying, just because a few of our people do something, doesn't mean that they represent us as a whole... I am a Chicano, I know first hand what it is like in our neighborhoods.

Posted by Camdad101 on July 22, 2008 at 12:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Posted by njnp on July 21, 2008 at 4:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

beahappi,
have some respect for the family of the deceased.can't you find a different forum to write your nonsense,is this what your parents taught you. have some compassion for people that are in crises.I can't begin to tell you how childish and degrading you sound."

You have some respect!! This is a forum for discussing the stories that appear in this news paper, not your own private little sorrow fest where only condolences may be left.

We are engaging in a discussion related to the story.

Here's a problem that often leads to stabbings, shootings, and so on. People need to just walk away if they don't like what's going on in a public area. No rules are broken, no one is getting hurt, but YOU want to tell US what to say. You and your pal aren't special. Get over yourself.

Posted by LivinInPoorMansPV on July 22, 2008 at 12:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

joeguidojr

OMG! Because we border Mexico! "Mexicans" were here long before you, in fact this part of the State use to be Mexico. Did you go to school?

I grew up in LA County, and there are no Mexican Neighborhoods there either...

Posted by LivinInPoorMansPV on July 22, 2008 at 1:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Have you ever been to China Town in LA? It is full of Mexicans, HELLO Olivera Street is right next door! There are Mexicans/Latinos that live & work in China Town.

Posted by mamaof2 on July 22, 2008 at 1:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Junior, my comment wasnt towards u, it is towards the people who are racist against latinos but because they dont want to sound like horrible people they always say they are not racist, in my opinion they are in denial.

Posted by uscChica on July 22, 2008 at 2:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In reviewing many of the comments and ideas shared in this forum, I can not forget the look on David's face the last time we spoke and he shared some of feelings about his girlfriend and the reasons why he ended up in the hospital with multiple stab wounds last year.
In an unexpected twist of faith, and too much my surprise, David was my patient at St. John's hospital. On that day, despite the many years of non-communication, nor interaction, I embraced the opportunity to not only treat David as my patient, but reconnect with my cousin.
After that meeting, I left David lying there in the hospital, knowing that next time around he will end dead, or once again faced in this horrible dilemma.
As David explained to me, the man who stabbed him was an ex-boyfriend of his girlfriend, whom was determined to get back his ex-girlfriend. I suggested to David that he return to San Diego and reconnect with his two daughters and leave Oxnard for good, including his girlfriend, however he refused to listen.
David was in love, despite my reservations, I was happy for him. He shared with me some of his struggles in "trying to stick to the right path" and the every day challenges he faced. He was very proud that he was working in construction and he had his own little apartment. He described such accomplishments with such gleam in his face.
You see, many of you would never know, nor ever experience what it might be like to be born into a life, which will only be filled with struggles and despair. Yet, David was all too familiar with enduring such pain and struggles, which no child should ever have to experience.
But he tried to beat the odds against him, he really did. David did what he had to at times to survive, but he was not an active gang member, nor common criminal. If he where, he would be would have been in jail like the rest of the men in the family. --That was not David.
In sum, in sharing with everyone my last memory of my cousin and our conversation, I feel a strong sense of frustration on so many different levels.
I am born and raised in Oxnard, however as time has passed and I have my own family, I struggle everyday to continue living in the 805.
There are so many socio-economic, psychological and cultural factors involved when it comes to having a simple "opportunity" to live a different life than what you are born into.
I was lucky and fought for an opportunity, but also had two parents who provided a strong foundation for me, despite my father's early death at the age of 34(David's uncle CHINO whom he has joined).
David NEVER had that chance!!!
The last words, which my cousin shared with me, will live in my heart forever. He praised me for taking a different course in life and becoming a well-educated and law abiding individual. If the Oxnard Police Department where to conduct an investigation, it will not take long for them find the individual responsible.

Posted by BeaHappi on July 22, 2008 at 2:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

uscCHICA -

You should contact OPD and tell them anything that you know (if you haven't already). David Keith reads these posts regularly and here is his contact information:

385-7631.

David Keith
Spokesperson
OPD

Most sincere condolences on the loss of your cousin. How sad that he wasn't able to take your advice and start new in San Diego.

Posted by getreal on July 22, 2008 at 3:43 p.m.

(This thread was removed by the site staff.)

Posted by njnp on July 22, 2008 at 3:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

uscchica,
my condolence to you and your family I hope you find peace in your heart,why people resort to violence is beyond me.rest assure the murderer will get caught, justice will come to you and your family.

Posted by UCSBguy on July 23, 2008 at 5:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Getreal be careful, the audacity of some people here are unfathomable that they'll start comparing mexicans to 1940 Jewish Germans. They'll tell you that you're doing the same thing Hitler did blaming jews as a scapegoat.

Livingpoor if you want to get technical, I think it was the native americans who were here first then the spanish conquered.

Given the location of the crime scene, I think we could speculate what gang is responsible.

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 23, 2008 at 9:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

UCSBguy, what gang would that be? If you had read the post from his cousin, he was not an active gang member, and the murderer is implied to be his girlfriend's, ex-boyfriend.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on July 23, 2008 at 12:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Getreal:
GOD gave you this land? You met God or you just talked to God? Since when is God in the real estate business?

Posted by getreal on July 23, 2008 at 12:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh please babyz daddy, lets not turn this into a religious subject. Yes, God given land. I said what I meant and I mean what I said. I am religious and I believe this is GOD given land and the reason we have so much crime is there is not enough religion.

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 23, 2008 at 12:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm not getting in the middle of this one... there are 2 sides to it... there have been many a murder in the name of Religion... There are other times Religion is good... I for one, believe in God, but I don't really feel that Religion is really a good thing... It is a blanketed business using the name of God.

Posted by getreal on July 23, 2008 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

junior I agree. I don't wnat to make this a religious discussion now though. It would go way off into left field and back again and just cause an uproar. Some people are religious, some are not, we all have different opinions on the subject, enough said.

Posted by UCSBguy on July 23, 2008 at 5:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Juniormafia and you believe this? Have you seen the guy? How do you know he's not an active gang member? Of course they'll say he's not an active gang member. He's a good boy this good boy that. The only know who knows if he's in a gang is himself so they can't really speak for him. He could be hiding his gang affiliation to his family to make it look like he's a good boy. C'mon now don't be gullible