Posted by Ms_California on July 18, 2008 at 7:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

11, 13 and 14! out at 1:00 AM! OMG! I would kick the crap out of my child (at any age) if they were out that late at night and vandalizing. I would be pissed!!!!! They would be begging the police to arrest them! What is wrong with parents nowadays? I just don't understand, do you not look in on your children? Do you honestly allow them to just run all over town all night long? Do you not know where they are? I keep good tabs on my kids, so much that it drives them nuts. It is so funny I have them trained now, they text or call me all the time now when they are out. They know me, they know I will do the "mom drive-by" sometimes if they are out. I tell them all of the time that I have eyes all over my head and town so you won't get away with anything!

Posted by iluvSP on July 18, 2008 at 7:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Take a deep breath Ms_California......in....out....in....out! J/K, I hear you though, I would jap slap the s**t out of my kids if they got caught doing this crap. They should make the kids and the parents hold signs in front of the places they vandalized saying 'Look how stupid I am' or something like that, embarrass the crap out of them. For shame.

Posted by 805m0mma on July 18, 2008 at 7:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My 11 year would be scared to death to roam the streets @ 1:30am!!

Posted by Ms_California on July 18, 2008 at 7:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

IluvSP... can you hand me a paperbag and a Xanex please! LOL

Posted by iluvSP on July 18, 2008 at 7:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

They were armed to the teeth with spray cans and bubble gum, no fear in them.

Posted by iluvSP on July 18, 2008 at 7:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The paperbag I can part with...the Xanex I'll have to charge you for! What do those puppies go for nowadays? 5 dollars a bar? 3 for the pink, 2 for the blue?? Sounds good to me!

Posted by RC on July 18, 2008 at 7:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

why the heck were they released to the parents? they should have been charged and sent to juvi to scare the wits out of them

Posted by Ms_California on July 18, 2008 at 7:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh com'on hook a sista up!!!! You don't want me going on a tangent! It's UGLY! LOL

Posted by Sneed_Hearn on July 18, 2008 at 7:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Although a little extreme, the points made here are apt ones. But having worked in the system, I know for a fact that many of these family cases are quite the contrary as far as parents/children are concerned. In many of these situations, the "children" are in command of the household and terrorize their parents and other family members. Most of these families come from contries where the "authorities" are not to be trusted and rightly so. But here, they don't realize that the proper authorities will assist them in getting out of a bad situation. Many are hard working people trying to make a better life but their children were born and nutured by the violence of their environment. Now the violence is used as a tool to gain and maintain control of their surroundings.

Posted by iluvSP on July 18, 2008 at 7:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sneed_Hearn...that's a bunch of bull. I understand what you're saying, not disagreeing with you. The parents need to stand up and take control of their children, regardless. Put your foot down and teach them RESPECT. If they don't adhere to the rules, call the cops on them...scare some sense into them. Something.

Posted by wynonarose on July 18, 2008 at 8:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Released to their parents? The parents should have been charged with neglect.

Posted by brwnbear on July 18, 2008 at 8:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think that these are hard working parents, and they think there kids are sleeping, not knowing that they sneek out at night to run the streets. I don't blame them, but the kids should be put to work all summer to teach them a lesson.

Posted by Just_wondering on July 18, 2008 at 8:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

That is absolutely ridiculous!! I can not believe that the parents are either so spineless as to let the kids run all over them or clueless as to what goes on in their household. I have an 11 year old and I can not even imagine him attempting to pull a stunt like that. Those kids need to spend the night as guests of the youth authority and have the crap scared out of them. They are still young enough to turn around before they become the “hard” gang banger of tomorrow.

Posted by pjlove10 on July 18, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh girl... here we go!
I love after all the charges, the description of the crime, the entire sequence of events, etc, etc, etc..
THEN: "They were later released to their parents' custody."

- Dumb kids, even dumber parents for allowing their "children" to roam the streets at night. Should be ashamed of themselves... all of them.

Posted by Ms_California on July 18, 2008 at 8:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

brwnbear... I am a hard working mother of 3. My husband and I have schedules that sometimes require us to be away from our family longer than the normal 8-5 hours. I know where my children are and who they are with. I get out of bed at night to check on each of them. I have taught my children to be respectful to people and their things as well as our family. This is just plain BS that the parents aren't responsible. If you can't control your kids you have no business being a parent. Sneeking out as a kid is one thing, but to be out at 11 years old vandalizing the town that is just disrespectful and unacceptable. These kids are thugs in the making. Maybe CPS should come in and investigate these families. Obviously these parents don't care enough about their children to keep track of them and teach them respect!

Posted by Relvd98 on July 18, 2008 at 8:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Kids these days; I remember once when I was 14, I tried sneaking out and my brother caught me. Boy, he literally beat the crap out of me that night...the next day and the day after, I was sore all over. After that, never did I try again.

Posted by omie on July 18, 2008 at 8:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

hang a sign around their necks identifying them as taggers, stand them on a busy street in their local neighborhood, this will teach them a lesson. Humiliation is a better way to teach these kids about the choices they make. Otherwise we can go back to old way of teaching kids without the CPS interfereing. If I remember the old ways work pretty well at teaching respect towards others.

Posted by pjlove10 on July 18, 2008 at 8:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

All my pops had to do was "look" at me a certain way, 'nuff said. I was never hit or abused. My parents just instilled in me a certain level of expected respect. That's all I needed. We never abused that, and to this day it's all about respect and responsibility. Most kids today (yeah I never thought I say that) don't have parents that will actually lay the hammer down on them. There needs to be discipline, absolutely. We're so quick these days to reward and give in that we don't provide them with the skills to appreciate and account for things.

Posted by Relvd98 on July 18, 2008 at 9:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Junior, right, violence is never the answer. My parents did not ever lay a hand on me. As a matter of fact, my brother was the watchful eye and we constantly went at it. To date, we talk about it and kinda laugh.

Posted by vickicassidy2 on July 18, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Some people should never have children!!

Posted by Arnold on July 18, 2008 at 9:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I wonder if their parent were illegal aliens because they have had a big problem with illegal aliens coming across the Mexican border from China and Europe. Tagging is an art form in some of these countries and the police chasing them down to arrest them could be considered racist in their eyes. Maybe someone should call the ACLU and get them a lawyer.

Posted by 805m0mma on July 18, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

as i said in an earlier post and same would apply to this situation, I blame the parents to an extent, if their kids respected them they may not be doing this kind of BS...the parents need to be the authority in the household and I'm sure these kids run the show. People are saying "kids know right from wrong"-but as a parent if you put fear in your kid they will know NOT to do wrong because they will be afraid of what their parents are going to think. I was not the prefect kid nor am I the perfect parent but when I was young I knew NOT to do something that was going to disappoint my parents because I respected(respect)them. Kids need to have some fear of their parents. If i look at my 11-year with "the look" she knows she better rethink her actions, I'm not trying to be my kids friend...I'm the mean mom in the neighborhood that don't let the kids get away with crap! ;)

Posted by pjlove10 on July 18, 2008 at 9:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

805m0mma - So true. I had friends growing up, and my parents weren't "my friends", or "my buddies". They were MY PARENTS. The highest level of authority in my world.

Posted by slkrchck on July 18, 2008 at 9:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

what's jap slap?

Posted by DoctorDude on July 18, 2008 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I hiked up to Punch Bowls above SP yesterday for the first time. It's covered in spraypaint all the way up with SP graffiti tags. Quite the contridiction to be walking in the beauty of nature along with the ugliness that humans can provide.

Posted by slkrchck on July 18, 2008 at 9:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

then can i say beaner slap? i'm one of each.

Posted by Ms_California on July 18, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

DoctorDude...

I used to go to Punch Bowls every weekend as a teenager. It was my favorite place to hang out. We would have a group of kids, bring water, top ramen noodles and a sleeping bag. We had the best times there. With the natural water slides, water falls and pools it was so beautiful. I am sad to hear that graffiti has ruined that. Is there just no respect anymore? I mean com'on people!

Posted by AnMa on July 18, 2008 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, as one comment above mentioned: it could be that these parents are sound asleep thinking their children are sleeping too. I have a friend who went through a similar situation, she would tuck in her kids to sleep, and wake up to see their beds empty because they would sneek out and be out all night. She even deadbolt locked all her doors, but kids are small and can find spaces to crawl out of. Kicking their @$$ didn't make things much better. It really depends on the child and how much respect and fear they have of their parents.

Posted by dom_kenpo on July 18, 2008 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I bet the kids all had red hair.

Posted by slkrchck on July 18, 2008 at 9:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

stinkin' red-heads!

Posted by Hueneme_girl29 on July 18, 2008 at 9:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Dude, this "Arnold" guy sure likes to stick up for the idiots....yeah, lets get HIM a laywer too!

Sheesh................

11 years old, WTF? And I have to LOL at POG, he/she is too funny/ "I blame society", "I blame the parents" , nice to get a smile out of the posts!!!!! :)

Posted by BeaHappi on July 18, 2008 at 10:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Arnold is a troll people...pay no attention to his posts and perhaps he'll go away.

11, 13, and 14 and they're sneaking out and tagging? I'll go out on a limb and say this isn't the first trouble that these little darlings have gotten into.

Seems like a good time to look into military schools.

Posted by zany on July 18, 2008 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Just a little spin on things, a ploy a lot of kids use is Johnnie "spending the night" at Bobby's house. Bobby asks to "spend the night" at Johnnie's house. Then they both spend the night out on the town. If neither parent checks with the other, nobody ever knows. Well, unless they get caught spray painting the back of someone's business lol. At 11 years old the kid can usually be trusted not to be out at those hours, but who knows how he was raised.

Posted by Hueneme_girl29 on July 18, 2008 at 10:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks BeHappi
- I will follow your advice and "ignore"!! :)

Posted by slkrchck on July 18, 2008 at 10:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

that's what i used to do. but not to vandalize. we were meeting boyfriends. got busted once. we reeked of cigarettes.

Posted by slkrchck on July 18, 2008 at 10:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

well folks........i'm off. incommunicado 'til next thursday. i'm sure when i get back phpd will have found the driver that killed dear mr. pimentel. i pray.

Posted by BeaHappi on July 18, 2008 at 10:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

zany - my friends and I only tried that once and yes, we got caught. My mom was out of town so we told both of the other sets of parents that we were staying at the others house and we all planned to stay at mine.

The parent's "spidy" sense kicked in and they figured it out...all before 11PM!

My friend's parents let us both have it...kept us up lecturing and then dragged us out of bed for 3 hours of church! And then I had to confess to my mom!

Not good...

Posted by sirdvsdsw on July 18, 2008 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

shipfaced needs to go hang out in the los padres national forest for a couple of days, i can count 68,000 ways he will come back a better person

Posted by Hueneme_girl29 on July 18, 2008 at 10:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

lol Junior- Like clockwork!!!

slkchck - dont know you very well, but wherever you are going, have fun! :) I too, pray that they find the person that ran down my local hueneme resident!

Why doesnt shipfaced stop posting? I guess "shipfaced" says it all.............

Posted by Hueneme_girl29 on July 18, 2008 at 10:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sirdvdsw-

LMAO

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on July 18, 2008 at 11:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Everyone is to blame.

We have become a brainwashed nation of politically correctness and socially acceptability.

Punish the kids, send them to jail. Never let your kids rule your household. I hear many parents say, "I don't want my kids to hate me". How pathetic is that?
If they are children of illegals, and I said IF because not every tagger is, send them and their family back to their country of origin. Punishing criminals and their illegal families is not discrimination. If I am wrong then its a free-for-all for EVERYONE. Enjoy :)

Posted by BeaHappi on July 18, 2008 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

vcsexplorer11...my husband and I must be doing okay with our kids. Just last night my son told my husband that he was "the worst dad in the world" for disciplining him! And then came the "I don't like you daddy...or you either mommy!"

Ahhh, the joys of parenting!

Posted by Relvd98 on July 18, 2008 at 11:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh Pog, your comments do light up forums every now and then...lol

Posted by BeaHappi on July 18, 2008 at 11:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Pog - everything is your fault and you know it!

Pot growing: Guilty!
Illegal Immigration: Guilty!
Taggers: Guilty!
Stupid People: Guilty!

Come on now...start doing your share...the rest of us are getting tired of this stuff!
:~)

Posted by Relvd98 on July 18, 2008 at 11:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And it all began with having red hair.

Posted by RC on July 18, 2008 at 11:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

the parents and kids should be forced to clean the grafetti and then b---- slapped

Posted by RC on July 18, 2008 at 11:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Pogmothoin...good one about tagging...remember when people used to write the following on the bathroom walls : FOR A GOOD TIME CALL SALLY AT 555-5555. or better yet:
LA SALLY-CON-EL JUAN y-que no mas

Posted by Hueneme_girl29 on July 18, 2008 at 11:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LMAO @ POG!!!!!!!!!

You're pretty good, dude!

Posted by BeaHappi on July 18, 2008 at 11:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh for the love of God...VCS (Ventura County Star) Explorer...get your minds out of the gutter people!

Posted by BeaHappi on July 18, 2008 at 11:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well I didn't say that it made sense but I was giving Explorer the benefit of the doubt!

Maybe you guys are right on the money...;~)

Posted by Ms_California on July 18, 2008 at 11:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

OK I HAVE ISSUES WITH THE RED HEAD THING!!!!! I HAVE A RED HEADED CHILD!!!!! SWEETEST THING YOU WILL EVER MEET! AND NO GINGIVITIS! Just go back to being racial and stop with the red head comments! Go smoke another joint ok! LOL

Posted by Ms_California on July 18, 2008 at 11:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry I was upset.. my typing was terrible. Fingers slower than the brain right now.. must be too much POT. and no need to explain, I watch South Park! LOL

Posted by BeaHappi on July 18, 2008 at noon (Suggest removal)

Ms_California...come on, admit it...you like the red-headed one just a little bit less than the others, don't you?

:~)

Posted by Ms_California on July 18, 2008 at 12:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Actually Bea, that's my special one. The miracle baby! Not to mention the red head is the best of the 3! haha

Posted by pjlove10 on July 18, 2008 at 12:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey zany, I think the parents need answers if Bobby and Johnnie are leaving town to spend the night together.

"Not that there's anything wrong with that.."

:)

Posted by BeaHappi on July 18, 2008 at 12:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You know I was kidding! I love red-heads ...so much that I had my own hair dyed red!

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on July 18, 2008 at 12:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Beahappi is correct,
I guess I should have used a underscore.
Vcs_explorer may have been better.

By the was beahappi, as I am sure you know, all kids say they hate their parents at some time.

Its sounds like your a good parent.

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on July 18, 2008 at 12:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

whoops typo,
I was saying "by thw way" not "by the was"

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on July 18, 2008 at 12:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh shoot, this laptop keyboard is driving me crazy. I switching back to my PC.

Posted by Ms_California on July 18, 2008 at 12:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bea, I wouldn't dye mine that color but my kid can def get away with it. It is the pretty auburn red/brownish. So technically not a carrot top color. I think I've shown you pics of my red head before too haven't I? So sweet sooooo cute! Ask Wildflower she knows! haha. She was there from the begining! well not the begining begining..haha

Posted by BeaHappi on July 18, 2008 at 12:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, you have shown me pics before. And thanks for clarifying the "not from the beginning, beginning!"

vcs_explorer (I added the underscore for you!) - we do try to be good parents. Lots of love, a ton of patience, with the undercurrent of "I brought you into the world and I can take you out!"

Posted by CuteFaceChubbyWaist on July 18, 2008 at 12:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I like the idea of hanging a sign around their necks, but i think they should wear it and go stand infront of the building that they vandalized..

Posted by Ms_California on July 18, 2008 at 12:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You know in thinking of punishments for this type of action.. what about tagging them! I know it is do as I say and not as I do.. but would they like it if their personal stuff was tagged and vandalized by someone?

Posted by CuteFaceChubbyWaist on July 18, 2008 at 12:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ms_California i was thinking the samething!

Posted by BeaHappi on July 18, 2008 at 12:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think that taggers who are caught and convicted should have to put their painting "skills" to good use in community service ways.

For example painting schools, city buildings, cleaning up the work of taggers...stuff like that.

And of course they'd have to wear shirts tagged with "I'm a tagger and this is my punishment."

Posted by dwilson on July 18, 2008 at 12:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sounds like some of you don't have teenage boys, they have been know to sneak out. But really, if they are tagging then they must get out often and that is the parents responsibility. Glad the 14 year old isn't being charged as an adult.

Posted by Anita_Corona on July 18, 2008 at 1:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

at those ages I don't consider them juveniles. I still consider them toddlers!!!!!

Posted by Just_wondering on July 18, 2008 at 1:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bea - You must be doing something right if you and your husband are the "worst" I am known as the meanest mom. I tell my kids I'm not here to win a popularity contest. My job is to make sure they grow up to be happy, responsible, productive adults...and I'm just doing my job.

Posted by Comments on July 18, 2008 at 1:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dwilson - I do not consider an 11 year old boy to be a teenager. And 13 is cutting it pretty close as well. It's true that many kids (both boys and girls) test their boundaries throughout the teen years and some will try to sneak out. However, 11 years old is still a CHILD for goodness sake. It worries me to hear that a child this young is doing things like this already. Most 11 yr olds I know would be too afraid to be out roaming the streets in the middle of the night.

And, we're all assuming that the kids snuck out of their houses. I don't recall seeing that in the article. There are so many different scenarios that could have happened. Perhaps the 15 yr old was "babysitting?" Perhaps they each told their parents they were staying at a friend's house as someone else suggested. However, I can't see how this would fly with an 11 yr old saying he were staying at a 15 yr old's house. Or perhaps he's a "latch-key" kid whose parents work the night shift? Or maybe the parents have zero control as mentioned by another poster. It could be any reason and we're all just speculating. The key thing is that these kids are headed down a very bad path. And again it's so scary to see an 11 yr old doing something like this - I shudder to think of the type of kid he'll be in a few years.

I don't have a teen - I have a toddler son. I like to think that my husband and I are good parents and will continue to be good parents. We are very nurturing and parent with lots of love while setting boundaries. I have no illusions that our son will test our limits when he's a teen. I will however make sure that there's no sneaking out of this house. That's a VERY easy thing to do. There's really NO excuse for these kids to have been out at that hour - none.

Posted by reality_hurts on July 18, 2008 at 1:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Parent(s) of the year of award !
Really though , the parents should have been jailed too...
By the way At those ages My Dad would have whooped my arse..
Iam sure these kids fathers are either in jail , dead or not around ..

Posted by Ms_California on July 18, 2008 at 1:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

NICE KIDS!

Posted by BeaHappi on July 18, 2008 at 2:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh Pog...thanks for that "feel good" story!

So wait, the sister stabbed her and then the brother sent intimidating calls and texts to the person that was stabbed?

Like the stabbing didn't send enough of a message? Don't any kids just settle their differences with their fists anymore? For cryin' out loud!

Posted by whatever on July 18, 2008 at 2:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You HAVE to blame the parents in cases like this. Come on, then who do you blame? IF these kids are taught right from the very beginning to be respectful to ALL and honor others property as if it were their own, and parents checked and double checked their kids then these problems would be fewer. I can and will blame the system though for being so soft on all criminals and that is now what these kids are. I guarantee that the 3 will be back out there as they get older doing more and more crimes and probably violent ones. The parents need to realize this and take a stand now. I don't care how many hrs you work, jobs you have etc there is family members somewhere that can do some checking even if you aren't home. But at this hr of the morning, the ball was dropped and all three parents are to blame. I say nail these kids now.

Posted by Ms_California on July 18, 2008 at 2:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Isn't this how the Mata kids started off? Now look at them!

Posted by Relvd98 on July 18, 2008 at 2:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No, I insist...the ONLY one to blame is Pog.

Posted by BeaHappi on July 18, 2008 at 2:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well then you'd better get out there and spread the "fisticuffs" word junior because there's too much stabbin' and shootin' going on!

Posted by 805m0mma on July 18, 2008 at 3:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pjlove10-seeing eye to eye 100%...as it should be with every parent and kid relationship, right? If the parents put their foot down once in awhile we may not be hearing so many of these stories.

Pogmothoin-geeze, now where are the parents of those "angels"?? And we thought the 11, 13 and 14 year old out tagging was a hot topic!

Posted by imonlysayin on July 18, 2008 at 3:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BeaHappi - your idea to put their paint skills to good use is a good one. We caught someone tagging our warehouse at work and he was arrested for it, my boss requested he come here as part of his community service and paint over all of the graffiti on our buildings and our neighbors buildings...it worked really well! We got a letter of apology from the kid that did it and I don't think he's gotten in trouble for it again.

Posted by BeaHappi on July 18, 2008 at 4:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

imonlysayin...good for your boss! A little tough love goes a long way!

And think of how the community could benefit from this idea. And gosh, the little taggers might even start to appreciate their community instead of vandalizing it.

I'm all for it. Who do I need to call?

Posted by IfYouSaySo on July 20, 2008 at 1:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Take a street in VC, on this street there are some gangbangers, but also on this same street are good kids. Since they live in the same proximity, blaming society or schools for the gangbangers actions does not hold water. The only difference in these childrens lives are their parents. Until the parents are held accountable, nothing will change, the cycle will never be broken. These kids are babies taking their first steps toward a life in prison. I doubt anyone has all the answers, but putting the screws to their parents should be the first step.

Posted by caffeinefree on July 21, 2008 at 7:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Take a deep breath Ms_California......in....out....in....out! J/K, I hear you though, I would jap slap

Next thing you know, the this forum will allow the "N" word to be used. I suggested removal of it. Just say you would slap.