Posted by cslaurie on July 15, 2008 at 7:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Mrs. Castro - I am sincerely sorry for your loss. To the Camarillo unspeakables desiring to keep Oxnardians out, read Mexicans, this boy had a life and hopes and dreams. May your dreams be troubled tonight.

Posted by goldeneye on July 15, 2008 at 7:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The City of Camarillo should look closely at the host of the party to determine whether alcohol was being served to minors. Out of control raucus parties involving young people are the fault of the adults who allow their homes to be used as drink fests. From driving under the influence to murder, nothing good comes of these gatherings.

Posted by Hueneme_girl29 on July 15, 2008 at 7:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Goldeneye- If there is a will, there is a way. If kids want alcohol at a party, beleive me, it'll show up, whether adults are there or not.

Prayers to the family - so sorry for your loss. So young - so sad.

Posted by peterpan11 on July 15, 2008 at 7:38 a.m.

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Posted by Ms_California on July 15, 2008 at 7:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

peterpan11... what a crappy comment to make. FYI Frontier isn't just for problem students.

Posted by lhernandez on July 15, 2008 at 7:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

peterpan11...Your comment is uncalled for. It doesn't matter where he went to school what matters is that there's a family mourning the loss of their family member....I'm sure if it was your family the last thing on your mind was where the victim went to school!!!!

To the Castro Family I'm sorry for your loss....

Posted by pjlove10 on July 15, 2008 at 7:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

peterpan11, I know of plenty police officers, Highway Patrol and Sheriffs that have had a poor high school experience, got into trouble and made bad decisions early in life. They simply turned themselves around after high school and focused on their current careers. So, please don't assume that this young man didn't have a chance to do the same. Have some respect here, he is no longer here to defend himself, no matter the cause or circumstance.

Posted by Hueneme_girl29 on July 15, 2008 at 8 a.m. (Suggest removal)

peterpan 11 - I suggested removal of your comment, how disrespectful can you be to this mans family!?!?! I agree Ms California- Crappy indeed!!

You know, they just suffered a great loss, and are probably reading these posts - what a slap in the face to them. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Posted by Ms_California on July 15, 2008 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

juniormafia.. you just wanna see people bash him all day long! LOL good ole family entertainment hu!

Posted by getreal on July 15, 2008 at 8:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

In Peter Pans defense, I think he was referring to the fact that Mr. Castro was a known gang member. Yes, a lot of "good" kids can go to Frontier but the norm is the troubled youth attend there as a last resort before they drop out completely. Hopefully this senseless death can be a wake up call to all of the youth and maybe they can see how their life choices need to be changed before they are put in the same situation Mr. Castro was.

Posted by jp on July 15, 2008 at 8:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

To the family, I am so sorry for you loss, this is a tragedy that no family should ever have to endure, my condolences to you.

To: peterpan1, I attended Frontier High and I can assure you alot of good kids attend that school and they go on to make something of themselves.

I am a military veteran and a college graduate. I do not believe I am the exception to the rule either.
My job has allowed me to go back and work with these kids; they are trying to get through school and really do something with their lives.
Not everybody learns at the same pace and high school is very challenging; especially if one has difficulty with the main subjects such as, reading or math.
Can you imagine trying to struggle through high school and not being able to understand what is being taught? The teachers are so overwelmed, it is very hard to get one on one help. Tutoring now costs an arm and a leg; Sylvan is expensive!!!!

Maybe you should stop by Frontier sometime, talk to Principal Lamas and ask him about the school; you would be amazed at the program offered to the kids and all the extra-curricular activities they have in place.
Just because this kid attended Frontier doesn't make him a bad kid and he sure didn't deserve to die...the article said he was attending college so I believe he was on the right track.

May God bless you peterpan1; I hope you are not a police officer, sounds like you are too quick to judge. AND I hope you never have to experience this kind of loss in your family and have people judging, it is terrible.

Posted by slkrchck on July 15, 2008 at 8:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

i went to frontier and i am now teaching your children.........mwahahaha

and in reply to the first comment. the camarillo resident(s) that had nothing to do yesterday but trash oxnard, the only mention of oxnard was that it was a truck of a friend of mr. castro. likely.......invited.

condolances to the family

Posted by southcalgirlie on July 15, 2008 at 8:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by getreal on July 15, 2008 at 8:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

In Peter Pans defense, I think he was referring to the fact that Mr. Castro was a known gang member

getreal how do you know he is a known gang member?

Posted by jp on July 15, 2008 at 8:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Did I miss something? Where did it say that Mr. Castro was a known gang member?
I really can't see the defense for peterpan1.
If this was your kid that MAY have made some bad decisions along the way, BUT now has done bettter would you still think the same way.
I have worked with soooo many teens in the last 7 years and I was once a teen myself and I have raised my own and have two more pre-teens in the house.
AS TEENAGERS we will make mistakes!!!! Hopefully, we learn from those mistakes and go on to be law abiding adults, don't condemn the kid for his past.
I call him a kid because in my eyes he was still a baby.

Posted by spulido805 on July 15, 2008 at 8:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

peterpan that was a sick and uncalled for sarcastic remark. GOD BLESS YOU.....

Posted by slkrchck on July 15, 2008 at 8:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

juniormafia_ny ......brother!!

Posted by BeaHappi on July 15, 2008 at 8:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

One of the posts yesterday was from a former ACHS teacher who knew Mr. Castro and said that, in HS, he was known to be a gang member.

However, people can change and perhaps he was on the right path.

But 1AM and this party was still going on? I'm surprised that the police had not been called earlier just to break it up because of noise. And if there are uninvited thugs there, why didn't the party host call the police?

These young guys want to take matters into their own hands. No good ever comes of it and so many times, especially lately, someone ends up wounded or dead. For nothing! For no good reason...

If kids (okay...young adults) in our cul-de-sac were throwing a party that was still going on at 1AM, I'd call police for sure.

Alcohol + young "tough guys" = trouble

The only way we'll make our communities safer is to get involved.

My condolences to Mr. Castro's family. Sad to lose a child, no matter what the circumstances.

Posted by Hueneme_girl29 on July 15, 2008 at 8:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Peterpan - they removed your post. Hopefully before his family members read it. Thanks VCS.

Posted by robert22805 on July 15, 2008 at 9:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

newsflash peterpan i graduated from frontier high school in 2001 served 4 yrs in the marine corps as a milatary police officer and attending the LAPD police academy this fall. Frontier High School is a great school with exellent teachers and staff, It is true frontier has some students a lil rough around the edges but,but most students there want to succeed and most teachers there actually do give a damn and want to see them make it in life. may god bless the castro family.

Posted by oxnard40 on July 15, 2008 at 9:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think every young thug thinks they want to be a cop or a probation officer. They think it is an easy job. They see them on TV or driving around town and think, "Man I could do that."

Little do they know that their immature gang actions will prevent them from ever doing this.

Be realistic.

Posted by CSUNgirl on July 15, 2008 at 9:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jose was a great guy...I'm going to ignore all the negative comments because I know the type of person he was! He was a guy with a big heart and had great morals unlike many others as I read comments in yesterdays story. Much love and respect to the family and all those who knew Jose. He was a great friend to many, including myself. We will miss you very much!!! Rest in Paradise!

Posted by Robert_Worthley on July 15, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Can you identify any of the party crashers? Do you know who killed Jose? If so, you can provide information to deputies via Crime Stoppers in a manner that will protect your anonymity and, if an arrest results from your tip, make you eligible for a reward ... paid anonymously.

Contact our bilingual call center at 1-800-222-TIPS (8477), send a tip via interactive text message by texting "tip375" plus your message to CRIMES or send the tip via the web in English or Spanish at http://www.VenturaCountyCrimeStoppers...

Posted by slkrchck on July 15, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

an oxnard gang member moved into a house on pearson road in hueneme. the neighborhood watch went to introduce themselves and found he was an oxnard police officer. as it happens, he used to be an officer. opd found out about him and he's no londer apeace officer. he's gone now, though i don't know where. the neighborhood watch captian moved out and now lives in camarillo. she says were trash. somehow, she's better. even though she's from here.

Posted by slkrchck on July 15, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

if i move my clan there.........will i become "better"?

Posted by getreal on July 15, 2008 at 9:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

southcalgirlie a former teacher of Mr. Castro's said yesterday he was a known gang member.

Posted by arcylg430 on July 15, 2008 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I can't believe some people in here. I personally knew Jose, he was a friend of my brothers and yeah he had problems at a younger age. BUT he was acutally trying to "change" his life. He was leaving the party and these people that were kicked out of the party were outside and started peoblems with him and his friends and all this went down. We need to stop bashing him, he is gone and we will miss him. Please stop all the hate in here!!!! This is why we have all these problems in life itself!!! GOD BLESS YOU JOSE AND YOUR FAMILY.

Posted by BeaHappi on July 15, 2008 at 10:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

arcylg430...sorry about the loss of your friend.

I agree with you; there is too much hate in the world. What do you think is a solution for all of the gang violence and hate? Jose was trying to change his life. In your opinion, how can we get others to do the same?

Posted by arcylg430 on July 15, 2008 at 10:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

His DEATH is what I hope all his friends can learn from. I lost a friend in high school almost the same way and it helped some of his friends wake up and realize its not worth the hate. I am hoping his friends learn from this too. As to the host of ANY party they need to learn from this, that if there is alcohol they need to refuse underage kids being there . People need to be more responsible and help out our younger generation. Set an example!!! We can do this ourselves within our communities. To all of Jose's friends... Don't hurry up to grow up... ENJOY life and take it day by day because life is hard and goes really fast. Too fast for some....You'll have enough time to drink and have fun but also be responsible at the same time. Life is too short. as we can see.....

Posted by jbh on July 15, 2008 at 11:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What gangs are there in Camarillo? I'm sure that to most ACHS teachers, any mexican kid with a shaved head is a "known gang member".

Posted by seahorseblue on July 15, 2008 at 12:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have missed peterpan's post due to it being removed, so I don't know what his comments were. Frontier High School is a "continuation" school of OUHSD...thus giving "problem" students the opportunity to continue their education and graduate. This being said, every year when one reads about FH graduates, many have received honors and and I'm sure many go on to succeed in their life goals, as jp & robert22805 posted.

Again people, FACTS: this article, like the original, says nothing about being gang-related, Mr. Castro being an active gang member, and no one had been arrested as of Monday.

As for the Oxnard vs Camarillo and the "bashing" from both sides, these cities have good points and bad points as communities. I grew up in Oxd and attended OHS and later moved to Cam...I think the comments about keeping Oxd residents from moving to Cam or vice versa is totally repulsive.

Posted by arcylg430 on July 15, 2008 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pogmothoin~ that was just dumb of you... not all gang members dress like that!!! I know some that dress in "normal" clothes and are "known" as gang members. How you dress does NOT make you a gang member your actions and loyalty to your "group" of friends, homies, pals, etc... is what makes you a gang member and claiming a city that you don't even OWN is stupid in itself. Grow up!!!

Posted by Ms_California on July 15, 2008 at 12:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pogo... you have just described our armed forces members. While some may call them a "gang" they are not the typical gang member as you're eluding too. Don't stereo type people based on their clothes or their choice in haircut. Look at who the person really is before you judge.

If he was a gang member he certainly isn't the first to clean up their act and improve their life. If that be the case, I commend him for taking the initiative in doing so. Sad to see his efforts and dreams were cut short.

Posted by arcylg430 on July 15, 2008 at 1:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks Ms_California!!! yes, he was trying to change his life around. Its called "GROWING UP"!!!!

Posted by Ms_California on July 15, 2008 at 1:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I feel bad for you pogo. a woman wearing a leotard and leggings; could be a costume, she could be an actress or just simply likes comfortable clothes. If you see a man dressed like Cher, it doesn't mean he is a tranny it could very well be a woman that is more masculine or an entertainer as well. People should really open their eyes before they judge people, this world would probably be a more understand place to live if people did.

Posted by Ms_California on July 15, 2008 at 1:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Clothes don't make the person pogo, that is my point here. Are you telling me that every man with long hair who wears baggy clothes and sandals is Jesus? Honestly, read what you are saying here. I am in the financial industry and let me tell you some of the best financial advisors I have worked with in the industry wear shorts, flip flops and drive cars with surf board racks. Anyone can buy a 3 piece suit at a thrift store! Like I said before judge the person not their clothes.

Posted by jamaro099 on July 15, 2008 at 1:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pog - though not quite shaved, my hair is really short, I have a goatee, several tattoos, have been known to be in public in a white t-shirt listening to hip-hop or ranchera music...tell me, am I the guy all the local cops know? Or the guy all the graduate professors know?

Posted by Ms_California on July 15, 2008 at 1:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jamaro.. you sound like my husband! R U? haha

Posted by jamaro099 on July 15, 2008 at 1:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ms_C, probably not but he sounds like a great, incredibly handsome guy. ;-) ha ha ha

Posted by SCfan01 on July 15, 2008 at 1:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I vote for local cops

Posted by jd1511 on July 15, 2008 at 1:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Where were the police Saturday night?
I live near this neighborhood and a one of neighbors on Roman told me there where two parties on the street, car everywhere.
Less then two blocks from the Police and Sheriff station.
They had to know about them. If not, why not?
It obviously was out of control.
Why didn’t they break them up before this terrible tragedy occurred?
VC code allows the police to stop parties where under age drinking is going on.

Posted by narc121 on July 15, 2008 at 2:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jd1511...
why blame this on the cops? It sounds like Mr. Castro was having a party that was in control until some uninvited guests came. If the party was SO out of control, I blame the neighbors for not calling it in. The police can't be everywhere babysitting house parties. I live in Camarillo and I would think that if this party was truly out of hand, a resident would have called. And for the record its the BUSINESS & PROFESSION CODE, Section 25662 that would allow the cops to issue citations for minors drinking underage. Keep in mind the drinking has to be in a setting that's open to the public. It's harder to enforce when it's going on behind closed doors. There's also the Social Host Ordinance which cites the owners of the house where underage drinking is occuring.

If Mr. Castro truly wanted to be a cop, he sure was on the wrong path. He had no business throwing a party and allowing underage drinking to happen. He didn't think that this would show up in his background check? This is an unfortunate story...when will people learn that they will reap what they sow.

Posted by arcylg430 on July 15, 2008 at 2:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry narc121 but Jose was not the host of the party, he was a guest. Partying at a house with minors drinking goes on your background?? How does that happen??

Posted by Ms_California on July 15, 2008 at 2:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No pogo, an ignorant person thinks that way.

Posted by leeleeo on July 15, 2008 at 2:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It is a shame how CRITICAL some of you are. Set aside race, appearance and where he was at when he was KILLED. Bottom line we are loosing our children to senseless acts. I will continue to pray for the Castro Family whom I have never met but as a mother, I feel for them.

For those of you that seem to walk on water. I lived on Barry Street for over 2 years. I only had one incident living there where my vehicle was vandalized. It is not what you people have labeled it to be. Some of our best friends are neighbors of Barry St.

I am not a low life. My husband and I both have GREAT jobs, live an honest life and are mexican. We have NO criminal record and raise our children well.

My son will be attending Frontier High School in August. Not because he is a low life but because his credits were low due to having severe asthma and many absences in which can be verified by my doctor. I had reservations on sending him to Frontier because I read comments like these posted by such judgemental people and the schools reputation. I, after speaking with his counselor and following his recommendations, choose to send my son to Frontier to make up some credits so he can graduate with his class at his home high school.

Instead of judging before knowing facts you people should do your research first. Oh and by the way, my son scored in the highest ranking on the exit exams at his school amongst his peers. So are we loosers?

Instead of talking so bad about a person after they have passed, you should reach out to these teens and try to help them avoid these type of situations.

Posted by jd1511 on July 15, 2008 at 2:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I do blame the police.
I respect both the Camarillo Police and The Ventura Sheriff’s Dept.
I just think they need to do more about these parties getting out of control.
Many people are afraid to call the police,
Because they fear there may be retaliation.

There is no way they were not aware of this party.
I have seen these types of parties and was even at a few in my younger days.
The police know about them and generally cruise by from time to time.
All they have to do is engage in a conversation with someone walking to a car,
Ask them where they where, and they would have cause to enter the house.
They can easily pick out an underage drinker, I’m sure.

I was referring to the Social Host Ordinance, doesn’t that give the police the right to enter a home if they suspect underage drinking and then break up the party, as well.

From what I have read Mr. Castro was not the host and it fact was underage as well..
The article states he was leaving the party.

Posted by narc121 on July 15, 2008 at 2:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

arcylg430...ok, so he wasn't the host...still shouldn't have been in that kind of a setting if he wanted to be a police officer. I'll be interested to see if he had alcohol in his system...

...and yes that type of information comes up on background investigations.

Posted by seahorseblue on July 15, 2008 at 2:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

narc121: "The police can't be everywhere babysitting house parties...I would think that if this party was truly out of hand, a resident would have called."

I totally agree! Usually the SO will not respond to a house party unless they have a RP with a complaint (of any type). From the first article I believe the first responders where there within 2-3 minutes.

Posted by sjcamarillo on July 15, 2008 at 3 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was in this area on Sat night around 11:30 and there were lots of cars, which indicated a party - but honestly nothing seemed out of control. It was not loud or noisy so I don't see why the neighbors would have called the police - chances are some of the neighbors were even at the party. Sounds like it did not get out of hand until the fight started.

Bless the family of the murdered boy! Stop being so hateful and concentrate on finding the murder! Regardless of where they live!

Posted by jd1511 on July 15, 2008 at 3:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If you complaint do you have to give your name?
The world is a different place now.
There was a time you could just ask people to turn it down.
Now, you might get killed for your troubles.
The police need to step up.
Protect and serve, as it is.

Posted by arcylg430 on July 15, 2008 at 3:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Like I said he was trying to change his life around and he was still only 20, so he made a bad choice on attending the party but that doesn't mean he couldn't keep going to school and try to become a cop. I have a friend that is a Camarillo cop and he had issues when he was younger and he is doing damn good right now and responded to the incident. So even if he started his life on the wrong path ANYONE can change if they really want to and can become a better citizen. Sorry so see that he didn't get the chance to prove to his friends that he was capable of doing it himself. So leave him alone and let him rest in peace.

Posted by seahorseblue on July 15, 2008 at 3:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jd1511: "I do blame the police.
I respect both the Camarillo Police and The Ventura Sheriff’s Dept.
I just think they need to do more about these parties getting out of control.
Many people are afraid to call the police,
Because they fear there may be retaliation.

There is no way they were not aware of this party.
I have seen these types of parties and was even at a few in my younger days.
The police know about them and generally cruise by from time to time.
All they have to do is engage in a conversation with someone walking to a car,
Ask them where they where, and they would have cause to enter the house.
They can easily pick out an underage drinker, I’m sure."

jd, have you ever gone on a Ride-Along with a CamPD deputy? You really, really need to, it may help you to understand that there is NO WAY you can blame the deputies and that "they need to do more about these parties getting out of control" along with the other statements you have posted.

I have even a better idea; attend CamPD's Citizen Academy...that will really open your eyes to what the PD does and what deputies can do and can not do...

Posted by jd1511 on July 15, 2008 at 3:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well SJ, maybe it was not out of control.
I do not know. I was not up at that hour.

I just find it disturbing that we have had two fatal stabbing in two weeks,
At house parties.
Something has to be done.
Wouldn’t you agree?

Posted by DrcGrl on July 15, 2008 at 3:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

seahorse, I agree with you on your response to jd.

jd, besides that, if you really have a friend that works for Cam PD, you should know that they are a little to busy to be cruising Cam's every square mile for parties.

Posted by CaMGirl805 on July 15, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Camarillo used to be a place where you could have a big party and not have to be worried about someone getting killed. Now these things are happening more and more. I knew jose when we were younger. We used hangout together in a big group at the boys and girls club, he was a great person. He did not deserve this. To his family, I am very sorry for your loss.

Posted by jd1511 on July 15, 2008 at 3:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DrcGrl
I did not say I had friend in the PD.

And if you know where this was,
you know there is know way the police could not be aware of it.
I assumed it was out of control because of the incident.
However as SJ pointed out it was not.
Someone told be about all the cars and traffic,
So I made the assumption. Sorry.
Just a lot of cars.

Posted by CaMGirl805 on July 15, 2008 at 3:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I dont think this really has anything to do with the cops, but I can see both sides to it. Why are camarillo cops so busy? What are they doing? But at the same time if they are so busy, they must be understaffed and that needs to be taken care of. But what can really prevent things like this? Kids getting in to fights happens all the time, but now kids are killing other kids. What can be done?

Posted by Dan46 on July 15, 2008 at 3:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Seahorseblue,
The police had no idea of this party. The adults that had the party saw that it was getting out of hand and closed and locked the doors. There was an astonishing number of people that came that were uninvited including the victim.
The young man that had the party is an outstanding citizen, he attends college and works full time. We have lived here for over 20 years and this is the first party they have ever had.

The newspaper is also incorrect on both of these stories. The fight was not on Roman but on Appian Way. The victim did not stumble over to the school and try to get into a truck. His friend tried to help him but it was too late and the cops arrived.

People need to check their facts before they speak.

Posted by DrcGrl on July 15, 2008 at 3:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jd, sorry, my bad. I meant arcylg430

Posted by jd1511 on July 15, 2008 at 3:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks Dan46.
My point is the party was near Appian Way and Ponderosa.
Two blocks from the police station.
There is no way they were not aware of this party

Seahouse you failed to address my our points, as well

If you complaint do you have to give your name?
The world is a different place now.
There was a time you could just ask people to turn it down.
Now, you might get killed for your troubles.

Posted by arcylg430 on July 15, 2008 at 3:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Drcgrl~ what was it that I said? I only said that people can change if they want to and become cops after having a troublesome past, thats the friend I mentioned, but nothing that they were too busy. The party was not out of hand because the neighbors would have called if it was. Just the wrong people showed up uninvited and caused this tragedy.

Posted by BeaHappi on July 15, 2008 at 3:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So was Mr. Castro invited to the party or not? According to Dan46, he was not.

Posted by SCfan01 on July 15, 2008 at 4:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

JD1511,

Does this neighborhood not have a neighborhood watch? I cannot fathom you are blaming the police for this. Or are you one who points the finger at them for everything that goes wrong in a city?

Posted by tink_Z on July 15, 2008 at 4:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To all the people reading this comment i just want to say that Jose was one of the nicest and smartest guys out there. He went through thick and thin in life with his family.He was a hard working individual with a great personality. Even if he was a gang member in the past like you all say he was. He changed and people change. I'm glad i got the opportunity to meet him. The last time I saw him i was so glad to hear from him how well he was doing after going through so much in life. To the Castro Family i'm very sorry for your loss. I just wish all of you could have met him before you went on and judged him. He was a young man in the wrong place at the wrong time!!!

Posted by CaMGirl805 on July 15, 2008 at 4:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tink_Z,
I Totally Agree with you.

Posted by CaMGirl805 on July 15, 2008 at 4:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dan46, Were you there?

Posted by arcylg430 on July 15, 2008 at 4:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks Tink_Z!!!

Jose was a very nice guy and a friend of my brother, so yeah people need to stop bringing his past into this and realize that he WAS making a change in his life. He was just starting his life at 20 yrs. old. I know people in there mid 30s that haven't done anything with their lives up to this point. So at least he was trying....
As to him not being invited I believe he was invited to the party , other friends of his were there.

Posted by seahorseblue on July 15, 2008 at 5:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

camgirl805: "I dont think this really has anything to do with the cops, but I can see both sides to it. Why are camarillo cops so busy? What are they doing? But at the same time if they are so busy, they must be understaffed and that needs to be taken care of."

It is not about deputies being so busy, what they are doing, or understaffed. At that time of the morning, there are four city "beat" cars, two city "roving" cars, and a patrol Sgt (for both county and city). The priorty is not to look for residential "house parties with a lot of cars" as long as no one calls to complain. Trust me, as was done in this case, their response was immediate. That is not unusual for a party gone bad.

Posted by Dan46 on July 15, 2008 at 5:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The neighborhood has a neighborhood watch. Everyone is usually sleeping at 12:45 a night. People woke up by the noise, the police were called and they were here in minutes. This all insued very fast.

The problems with the party was the few people that were invited, invited others and so on and so on then it escalated to this disaster. Earlier that night there was another party on a different street and those parties may have merged. What can you do?

Posted by seahorseblue on July 15, 2008 at 5:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dan46: "The police had no idea of this party. The adults that had the party saw that it was getting out of hand and closed and locked the doors. There was an astonishing number of people that came that were uninvited including the victim."

I hope they were the adults that called when they felt it was 'out of hand.'

"The young man that had the party is an outstanding citizen, he attends college and works full time. We have lived here for over 20 years and this is the first party they have ever had."

While others might, I don't question his character or gang 'staus.' That will come out as investigation continues.

"The newspaper is also incorrect on both of these stories. The fight was not on Roman but on Appian Way. The victim did not stumble over to the school and try to get into a truck. His friend tried to help him but it was too late and the cops arrived. People need to check their facts before they speak."

I believe you are correct here...another reason not to trust everything the Star prints...one can not always get the facts from their articles.

Posted by waraku on July 15, 2008 at 5:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Whether or not the victim was a gang member, he did not deserve this. NOBODY has the right to take the life of another human being. RIP Jose and God bless his family.

Posted by seahorseblue on July 15, 2008 at 5:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jd1511: "Seahouse you failed to address my our points, as well"

"If you complaint do you have to give your name?"

No...you can be anonymous if you don't want contact by the deputies. If you want contact, you will be asked for your name, address and/or phone number.

"The world is a different place now.
There was a time you could just ask people to turn it down.
Now, you might get killed for your troubles."

Yes, and several postings have asked what can be done...very good question. I don't have an answer...but I would never host a large house party (I'm too old!).

Posted by CaMGirl805 on July 15, 2008 at 7 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Seahorseblue,
As I said, I can see both sides to this... I am not blaming the cops for anything. I just said that because people are saying camarillo cops are too busy. I didnt say they could have done anything to prevent this from happening, if you read my other statments you would see that. As far as this whole thing goes, it was a situation that got out of control.

Posted by ironwoman on July 15, 2008 at 8:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Chupamiculo- That is the most sickest username I have seen yet. I hope someone at the star can speak Spanish to understand your vulgarity.

As far as the victim's picture, it could be his drivers license picture, not a mug shot.

Condolences for the victim's family and friends.

Posted by Robert_Worthley on July 15, 2008 at 9:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Focus on the murder ... one person stabbed Jose. It was not the police, not the neighbors, nor was it the party host.

Who murdered Jose? Who was with the person who murdered Jose? Getting these folks behind bars would be a good first step to cleaning up the streets. Let us know. Se habla espanol.

1-800-222-TIPS (8477)

http://www.VenturaCountyCrimeStoppers...

Posted by BiggestBrother on July 15, 2008 at 9:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

After reading all the disparaging comments I know that they are coming from narrow minded white people who cant accept the fact that Mexican Americans are now King, and they are pulling their hair out of frustration and attempting to bring to light Mexican Americans bad apples, every race and culture has them.

And who wants to live in Camarillo, I wouldnt trade 50 Camarillos for 1/2 of Oxnard with its beaches fields and beautiful weather......need I say more..........???

Posted by seahorseblue on July 15, 2008 at 10:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

camgirl805: "But what can really prevent things like this? Kids getting in to fights happens all the time, but now kids are killing other kids. What can be done?"

"As far as this whole thing goes, it was a situation that got out of control."

I know you see both sides and what you said is not placing blame...your comments reflect your great concern in what took place and what can be done to prevent this happening again. I don't have the answer...one can say it is the sign of the time, but that is lame.

There are some out there that want to "prove something" at any cost, have no regard for others or even human life...do not take responsibility for their actions, etc. etc. Others, like the Castro family, suffer from the consequences of those actions.

What can be done? I don't know...but as stated above, "Getting these folks behind bars would be a good first step to cleaning up the streets."

Posted by seahorseblue on July 15, 2008 at 10:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

...coming from narrow minded white people who cant accept the fact that Mexican Americans are now King...

WOW, now I'm informed!

Posted by Brownpride on July 15, 2008 at 10:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ha I think we are king of making Babies. Thats about it. Make the babies make the babies make them babies.

Posted by CrazyCatLady on July 16, 2008 at 8:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BiggestBrother-
Kill the White Devil!! "A Day Without Whitie"

Great idea.

Posted by CrazyCatLady on July 16, 2008 at 8:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BiggestBrother-

AND you couldn't trade Oxnard b/c no one would want it!

Posted by getreal on July 16, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

biggest brother, maybe you are proud of being King to your murders, violence, crime, disrespect, teenage pregnancies, graffitti, welfare, unemployment, low income housing and so forth but I am not. Mexican Americans are only only making a name for themselves and it keeps getting worse. Take some pride in your culture. Teach your children well. Stop the racisim and expecting more than you deserve.

Posted by FedUp on July 16, 2008 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

if I said the same thing as bigbrother did, I would be banned by the STAR. typical hypocritical STAR editorial on the message boards.

Posted by wdcrvr on July 16, 2008 at 12:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow. This thread, taken as a whole, is a sad commentary.
First: we are not safe from each other. This boy's killing is just one more example. The police cannot do much more than show up, pick up the pieces, then write about it. We each are responsible for our own safety, or should be.
Second, Aristotle said"...because men are equally free, they claim to be absolutely equal." We are not absolutely equal; read the above comments. We are doomed; we are not willing to do what is necessary to effect change. And they keep making babies...

Posted by wdcrvr on July 16, 2008 at 1:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

and NO, Aristotle was not a teenage mutant ninja turtle...

Posted by larrymu on July 16, 2008 at 2:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is a terrible tragedy. They should in force video survivance at parties or have a designated security guard/driver who will take a photo of new arrivals and car license plates, collect car keys armed with a $30.00 breathalyzer,and cell phone as well. This is not something we want to continue!

Posted by seahorseblue on July 16, 2008 at 5:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

wdcrvr: "The police cannot do much more than show up, pick up the pieces, then write about it."

The VCSO Major Crimes Homicide detectives CAN DO MORE...but they need the public's help:

"Who murdered Jose? Who was with the person who murdered Jose? Getting these folks behind bars would be a good first step to cleaning up the streets. Let us know."

1-800-222-TIPS (8477)

Posted by cadillaczac on July 16, 2008 at 6:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Biggest Brother-You left out the most diSTINKtive trait Oxnard has to offer...it's smell.

Posted by BiggestBrother on July 16, 2008 at 9:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why do white Americans refuse to let go of the past and accept the fact that they no longer rule through their xenophobia and the division and power it brought to them. The wealth distribution that leans towards white America is being closed, and Camarillo is not the execption so if change must come it will bring the good, the bad and the ugly.

The fact of the matter is that if you let go you will lead calm happy lifes and not lifes of hate, bigotry and envy for the new leaders who wont be white, yet hope that your children will not bear what you and your grandparents did to minorities.

As the truth might hurt it is reality, that cannot be reversed, look at your Leaders and Politicians who are they where did they come from, they sure did not come from cities like Camarillo.....

Have a nice day all.................

Posted by reality_hurts on July 17, 2008 at 7:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Seems like a Kid trying to get his life straight...Sad.
Anyone know if this had something to do with his past gang affiliation?

Posted by arcylg430 on July 17, 2008 at 10:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

To: reality_hurts , this had nothing to do with his PAST gang affiliation. wrong place, wrong time leaving a party... that picture is probably from his drivers license not a mug shot.... RIP IN PEACE JOSE!!!

THERE WILL BE DONATION CAR WASH ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY TO HELP HIS FAMILY PAY FOR HIS FUNERAL. ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME IT WILL BE AT THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB ON TEMPLE AVE OFF OF LEWIS ROAD IN CAMARILLO. THANKS!

Posted by janabanana71 on July 17, 2008 at 3:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow...I can't believe how this article, like it's predacessor went from condolences to the family to a race war. Then it went from race war to bashing the police. Then it got downright racist and stopped bashing the police.

Amazing. This young man may very well have been trying to leave the party because it was getting out of control. This young man was killed. That's all. The police are not to blame, one race or another is not to blame. Ignorance in all it's glory is really to blame. It doesn't matter what race someone is....ignorance comes in all shapes and colors.

To all the people who knew the victim, I'm sorry for your loss. If you were at the party and have ANY information to give to the detectives, please, do so! It can't be said enough...just get the persons who did this crime behind bars. Call in any information to CRIMEStoppers or even just the police dept. Do something proactive and positive. Don't plant negativity.

Posted by Joesombody on July 17, 2008 at 8:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I thought we were supposed to stay on topic in these things.

I don't see how this,

"Camarillo is terrible, pack up and leave while you can before you get stabbed by some crazed white person clinging to the past."

is on topic?

Posted by Joesombody on July 17, 2008 at 8:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BTW, my condolences to the family.

Posted by Kfedup on July 19, 2008 at 12:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The one thing that no one is bringing up is, who was it? If it was gang members from another city, then who is going to be next? No one is safe, there could be innocent victims in the line of fire. Yes, it is true that Barry is tamed compared to other gangs. However, I recall back in the 80's when the city police and county sherrifs use to leave "out of towners" in the middle of barry st. to teach them a lesson not to come into our city. Those poor fools where lucky to walk out alive. Even then the police could count on this local gang to keep the city clean from the unwanted "out of towners". Further, they understood that they where not a threat to the citizens of the city, but a deterent to unwanted crime. There has been to many incidents to ignore the fact that things have changed in the city. It may make sense to allow the vigilante element of the past, clense the future. Think of it as a cost savings for the city, let the resources be where they need to be.

Posted by hannahmac on July 21, 2008 at 6 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is another low blow to citizens of Camarillo. I can't believe how often this is happening now, like murder is coming into style or something. Utterly ridiculous. I'm so sorry for the family of this young man.

Posted by Foreverheartbroke805 on August 7, 2008 at 2:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let me just start by saying that some comments that were made are really uncalled for. I want to clarify some of these comments.
I knew Jose first hand. He was an amazing human being inside and out. He had dreams and goal that he was setting out to reach and he was accomplishing them sonly by the desire to succeed in life. His life was taken from him it was not supposed to end like this for him. Yes he went to frontier and no he was no gangster or ever was he ever involved with such things. He would be the one that would never want to start problems do anything to avoid drama. He chose to go to frontier rather than to drop out because he wanted to make sure that he made his family proud! He is the first one in his whole family to have reached such accomplishment! I am so proud of him for sacrificing all the things he did just to receive his diploma. He busted him self every day just to get there. He was such a positive person who always wanted better. He was working two jobs going to school. Jose was so much fun to be around he would make you laugh at the things he would say. He always said he was going to be the one that did something with his life when his surrounding would put obstacles in his path. This is so unfair that we have to live with this pain in our hearts and with out the comfort of knowing that the one who did this to him is paying for his actions. What are we coming to? Camarillo used to be one of the safest city’s and with everything there is so much corruption and so much vandalism I don’t understand why people do this. How could someone live with them self’s after they took life from someone? What if this was you? What if it was your family feeling this pain? God works in mysterious ways one way or another the truth always comes out. Family and friends are heart broken over his passing, Jose will be missed forever. Jose you were an amazing person in your short time here you left us with a lifetime of memories. You know we all love you and you will forever be in our hearts. May you rest in peace. There will always be a place for you in my heart. You are my true love!

Posted by embarrassed_by_u on August 9, 2008 at 8:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have read both articles and all the comments on this page. I thought about reading the other ones but to be honest I'm overwhelmed right now with all that I just read.

It really breaks my heart to see so much crap written on here. I know that this is intended for discussion but I don't think it was intended for what really has been going on here.

I knew Jose. When I was in high school we hung out with the same group of friends. Friends, I might add, that are human just like everyone who posted a comment.

I don't have too much to say because there are several people who also feel the same way that I do and have said enough justice already.

What I do want to say is please stop fighting and bickering like children. If that's what you want to do take it somewhere else. If anything just out of respect. It's disturbing to read posts that have nothing to do with Jose in the first place when really this should be for him.

So anyone who posts after me please think twice. Jose deserves better.

Jose may you rest in peace my friend. It truly breaks my heart to see what has happened to you. I pray for your family that they may be comforted by the fact that you are smiling down at them and watching over them.

We miss you already.

Posted by midwestmanohio on September 24, 2008 at 9:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This young man was at a party where often booze and drugs are used. Since he was in the process of becoming a policeman, why did he go to a party. Any person wanting to be an example of law and order should follow the philosophy found in the Bible. God set up a condition:
"Abstain from the appearance of evil."
When anyone hangs out with the devils kids or where drugs and alcohol is served will find it hard to obtain God's protection.

I Thessalonians 5:21-24
21Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22Abstain from all appearance of evil.
23And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

This promise is conditional.