Posted by dcmcgov on July 14, 2008 at 1:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I knew just by reading the headline that the word "Oxnard" would have some bearing in this violent incident. I live in this neighborhood and have seen more and more people moving in from Oxnard over the past 3 years.

Camarillo residents - we have to stop the Oxnard invasion of our city. Keep them out. Camarillo was one of the safest cities in the nation for several years, and now we have things like this happening in once desirable neighborhoods.

Keep Oxnard out of Camarillo!

Posted by slkrchck on July 14, 2008 at 1:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

wow..........

Posted by slkrchck on July 14, 2008 at 2:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dcmcgov.....it's amazing that you can make a comment like that. camarillo is only getting better. you will always have gangs and drugs like much of ventura county, but one thing that has improved is the random violence. not that these out of control parties are okay, but the random meth induced acts are decreasing. we all remember the hopper kid (adam?) that attacked people in traffic in broad daylight. and the horrific case of dear amy sue seitz. these new crimes have more to do with the camarillo community than they do oxnard. (i can't believe i'm defending oxnard, i don't even live there). bytheway, in high school, we got our 'party supplies' in camarillo. it isn't the utopia you may think it is.

Posted by twbeem on July 14, 2008 at 7:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dcmsgov, What gives you the right to determine who moves to Camarillo. Its a free country and I say we don't need any prejudice elietists in Ventura County all. But you have the right in this free country to sit in your Camarillo home thinking that you are better than everybody that comes from Oxnard. Hope its working out for you.

Posted by keepin_it_real on July 14, 2008 at 7:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dcmcgov--You are way out of line here. Settle down !!!

Posted by MRSMYTH on July 14, 2008 at 7:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Racial diversity does not work.Racial diversity is propaganda tool of the politically far left.Sociologically,homogenous works the best.

Posted by twbeem on July 14, 2008 at 7:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, MRSMYTH thanks for setting our society back a few hundred years.

Posted by jd1511 on July 14, 2008 at 7:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I live in the same neighborhood as well.
And was horrified to see that this happen.
And that it was gang related, bothers me more.
As Oxnard and LA crack down on gangs it will push them in to peaceful Camarillo.
No we can not stop people from moving in from Oxnard.
And should not.
However Camarillo can take steps to make sure people know.
Camarillo is a peaceful committee and will remain that way.
We need to crack down, now
I will be at the next CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS
To ask want they intent to do to stop this kind of violence.

The City Council generally meets on the second and fourth Wednesday of each month in the Council Chambers located at city hall at 601 Carmen Drive, Camarillo. Public Comments on items not on the agenda are heard at 7:30 p.m. Please note the meeting dates are subject to change. For information on upcoming meeting dates, please contact the City Clerk's office at (805) 388-5353

Posted by h2odog on July 14, 2008 at 7:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dcmcgov-What make you think the good people of Camarillo welcomed you with open arms when you moved here? Buy yourself an island, put a fort around it, call it what you want, and hold your nose high!

Posted by mikeb6804 on July 14, 2008 at 7:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dcmcgov---what a crackpot! I live in Oxnard and probably have at least as desirable social characteristics as you. I obey the laws, have for many, many years and at times have thought of moving to Camarillo. If I had picked your neighborhood, I doubt you would have noticed. I think you might be better off in ANWR.

Posted by getreal on July 14, 2008 at 7:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I hate to say it but I agree with dcmcgov. Keep Oxnard out! I grew up in Camarillo and it saddens me to see what it is becoming and because of the invasion. The graffitti, the rudeness, the lack of respect for others and its from the Oxnard invasion. We need to take a stand now before it gets out of control.

Posted by Hueneme_girl29 on July 14, 2008 at 7:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dcmcgov - take the stick out of your butt -

Posted by try_mee_76 on July 14, 2008 at 7:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dcmcgov-
Idiot.....the only thing mentioned about Oxnard was the line below. Your way out of line blaming Oxnard for the crime in your city.
"He tried to get into a pickup truck belonging to a 23-year-old Oxnard resident, but he collapsed on the ground near the vehicle, Bonfiglio said."

Posted by pjlove10 on July 14, 2008 at 8:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LOL! "Keep Oxnard out.." Are you people serious, I mean, really? Your kidding right? I know TONS of people that are originally Oxnard residents and they love living in Camarillo. Law abiding, normal tax paying family's and singles. NOBODY has a right to tell anybody where to live. I make a great living and will be moving soon. I am an Oxnard native, and will be looking at property in many places, including Camarillo.
I think people like "dcmcgov" are embarrassed, because they finally are realizing that their own kids are now part of this senseless cycle of crime and violence as well. It's not an Oxnard problem, it's a sign of the times. Gangs are everywhere, and it's up to you (not sure if you have kids or not) to raise your kids in the most proper manner as to try any way posible to avoid this type of lifestyle.
Violence, in any form, in any city, no matter the race or background, is terrible. You wanna do something about it, go to your "Camarillo City Council Meetings" and discuss viable solutions to thwart your own gang problems, and educate yourself as to the real root causes of violence being committed by YOUR own citizens.

Posted by FedUp on July 14, 2008 at 8:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I dont think dcmcgov was saying lets keep everyone from Oxnard out of Camarillo. They were trying to say lets not let the oxnard gang bangers take over another city. however, it is the oxnard, LA, inland empire, etc gang members which are taking over what used to be nice and quiet communities. These nice and quiet communities were not ready for the invasion. we are not completely prepared to deal with stuff like this on a regular basis.

but camarillo has always had gangs. Barry St. comes to mind.

Posted by lyn_uk1 on July 14, 2008 at 8:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think some of you are overeacting to dcmgov's comments. We need to keep Camarillo the safe city that is is, and yes, while I agree that all areas have gang problems, it needs to be nipped in the bud BEFORE it gets out of control. The comment about Oxnard is true - that there is a big problem there and the OPD are doing their best to solve it by gang injunctions. Let's not let it get to that point in Camarillo and keeping certain people out is not necessarily the answer.

Posted by Hueneme_girl29 on July 14, 2008 at 8:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

lyn_uk1 -

I dont think I'm over reacting, dcmgov has every right to defend his/her city, however, it's not cool to single out one particular city, not everyone in Oxnard is a criminal/gang banger.

Posted by pjlove10 on July 14, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Fedup, --> "Camarillo residents - we have to stop the Oxnard invasion of our city. Keep them out. Camarillo was one of the safest cities in the nation for several years, and now we have things like this happening in once desirable neighborhoods.

Keep Oxnard out of Camarillo!"

Sorry, but's that the way it was written. I would of agreed if it was directed at gangs, but it clearly wasn't. NONE of US want gangs in our cities. What makes Camarillo any different. They have a gang problem, but choose to do nothing about it, other then cast the blame on others. Find the solition, don't point fingers.

Posted by nonono on July 14, 2008 at 8:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

i dont see why you are all arguing about oxnard coming into camarillo, the real point here is this is the second stabbing within a month at a camarillo party. And the sad thing is, in both stabbing, kids in camarillo and otherS know who did it and no one is saying anything about it. And the stabbings are gang related. It happens when a certain gang or group of people, which are well known, show up at the party and the owner of the house as well as other people there dont want that group of people there because they know they are dangerous and know what they have done before and continue doing. When the group of people are asked to leave they get angry and for some reason try to prove themselves or something stupid. This is ridiculous. Someone who knows whats going on needs to speak up instead of keeping it quite. this is going to keep happening, especailly if no one has been caught for the two murders. They are going to keep thinking they can do it without getting caught, and they put every young persons life in danger when they think they are just going to a party to hang out. AND I KNOW YOU PEOPLE KNOW WHO IT IS, IT WAS THE SAME PEOPLE WHO DID IT TO ANDREW SINGLER. SO WHEN IS ANYONG GOING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT???

Posted by getreal on July 14, 2008 at 9 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I live in Camarillo, born and raised, I am also caucasian and I shop at the 99 cent store on occasion. They have some really great buys sometimes.

Posted by thetruthdotcom on July 14, 2008 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

i think the lesson in this story has nothing to do with what city you live in or what city is next door. when you throw a party, it's almost inevitable that uninvited people will hear about it/show up. what's the proper way to deal with that situation?

Posted by ox4me on July 14, 2008 at 9:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

twbeem, you are so correct.Obviously,there are alot of ignorant statements being made by the Camarillo elitetist who believe in the selective prosecution of Oxnard for several self serving purposes.

Posted by LivinInPoorMansPV on July 14, 2008 at 9:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why are people always so down on Oxnard? I think Oxnard is very nice. Holy cow, those residences with the boat docks in CIH are super nice. Of course LIKE ANYWHERE ON THIS planet, there may be a few crime laden and undesirable areas. If anyone comes on your property just riddle them with bullets, it is your constitutional right, right?

Posted by Ms_California on July 14, 2008 at 9:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I grew up in Oxnard and my parents moved us to Ventura when I as a teen to get away from Oxnard and how it was turning. I think most people move from Oxnard to get away from the violence. I don't think that the gangs move to Camarillo to create violence. It is much more expensive in Cam then Oxnard and these thugs can't cover that. It is up to the citizens of these neighborhoods to step up and notify the police of these parties or gatherings. A simple phone call will stop the parties and move the problems out. You just have to be vigalent in your sightings and phone calls to the police.

Posted by dom_kenpo on July 14, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

getreal has found out the best deal in town! Long live the $.99! I did a project over the weekend that involved 65 picture frames, all purchaed at the $.99

Posted by twbeem on July 14, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ok before we move to Camarillo we all need background checks

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 14, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Camarillo isn't that safe... I don't know if anyone here has heard of Barry Street... there you go.

Posted by BeaHappi on July 14, 2008 at 9:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dcmcgov and Camdad101...you two are a joke. OMG! Latinos in Camarillo? Say it isn't so!! So Camdad101...did you immediately put your girlfriends house on the market? You'd better hurry!

Hurry and buy a house in Spanish Hills or Sterling Hills...oh wait, there's going to be a prison hospital there. Darn it!

You two elitists may have to move to another state. Just say the word and we'll help you pack.

Posted by nessar on July 14, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My condolenses to the Castro Family.

Posted by Ms_California on July 14, 2008 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

WHOA BEA! tell us how you really feel!

Posted by Equitable_Enforcer on July 14, 2008 at 9:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If somebody out there knows who did it, an anonymous tip can be sent to Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS (8477). If the tip leads to an arrest, a reward may be paid, also anonymously. A tip can be sent via text message by sending "tip375" plus the message to CRIMES or via the web at http://www.VenturaCountyCrimeStoppers... With the web tip, digital photos can be uploaded.

Posted by BeaHappi on July 14, 2008 at 9:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The horrible thing is that these young guys...gang bangers or not...keep killing each other. And for what?

Truly senseless...

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 14, 2008 at 9:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm sure if anyone comes INTO your home, uninvited, you are allowed to riddle them with bullets... Don't take my word for it, consult your local legislature =)

Posted by BeaHappi on July 14, 2008 at 9:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ms_California...I can't help myself! :~)

Posted by Relvd98 on July 14, 2008 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Another young man's life was taken away violently; and at this point, it does not matter where he resided in.

Condolences to his loved ones, hope they find comfort in God's arms.

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 14, 2008 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't think Bea is necessarily defending thugs, from what I have gathered, she ALWAYS sees the glass half full... That's ok too, but let's not get to the point where we don't see the problem.

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 14, 2008 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Camdad101, While you MIGHT have a point there, never underestimate anyone, they are just as capable as anyone else... Everybody thinks they are 20 feet tall with a gun in hand.

Posted by pjlove10 on July 14, 2008 at 10:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Oh please, they are bubble gummers compared to the L.A. and Oxnard gangs. They rarely stray from the little hood they've established."

So that makes it okay? Typical. You sound very ignorant. Just because that gang is from Camarillo doesn't make them any less violent or criminal than any other. Get a clue and stop making excuses. We are ALL surrounded by this increasing gang issue. No matter where you live.

Posted by BeaHappi on July 14, 2008 at 10:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"You should feel right at home. I've seen many of your posts before, you live in Lala land and wear rose colored glasses. Grow up and join the real world."

Camdad101...I live in Oxnard...hardly considered Lala land. And I'm probably older than you and have experienced more than you. I have a VERY realistic view of life, but also choose to be an optimistic person. Unlike you who seems to complain about everything.

No place is perfect and for you to blame surrounding cities whenever something horrible happens in Camarillo is just ridiculous.

I have no desire to live in Camarillo. I like where I live...close to the beach and marina and I have GREAT neighbors. Unlike your girlfriend apparently...in perfect Camarillo...I hope the new "undesirables" don't taint potential buyers about her house.

Posted by Relvd98 on July 14, 2008 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You go Bea, you go!

Posted by BeaHappi on July 14, 2008 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

juniormafia_ny...as you know from my previous posts I am definitely aware of the gang problems. I am a glass half-full person because I truly believe that most of what you get out of life is what you put into it.

Being optimistic does not mean blind.

Posted by pjlove10 on July 14, 2008 at 10:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Camdad101- With your name suggesting that you are a dad, I hope that you have enough sense to teach your children the dangers of gangs and that horrible lifestyle. You don't have to drive too far to show them either, You probably live close enough to Berry Street, right in your own backyard.

Posted by godslove1 on July 14, 2008 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You know what floors me aside from the insulting commentary from dcmcgov is the blatant irresponsibility of the Star to leave that comment up on the board after it has been marked for deletion.

To dcmcgov: If you live in the neighborhood that this took place perhaps you need to take a look at your own back yard or front yard....get into action YOURSELF or quit complaining!

Posted by steveb36701 on July 14, 2008 at 10:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't understand why people are blaming/bashing Oxnard. The only thing the article mentioned about Oxnard was that Castro tried to get into a truck owned by an Oxnard resident. Nothing was mentioned about the participants, gang or otherwise, moving from Oxnard to Camarillo. I used to live in Oxnard and had friends in Camarillo that I would visit. It sounds to me like some people in Cam don't even want Oxnard people visiting there. Get a grip, folks, and read what the article says.

Posted by chickybabe on July 14, 2008 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow dcmcgov!!! How ignorant are you??

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 14, 2008 at 10:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Camdad101, I feel that crime runs rampant in cities with poverty in them. Camarillo has very little poverty compared to Oxnard. A lot of times (I'm not defending anyone, nor am I saying it's ok) the crime committed is a means of survival. As far as Oxnard cooperation with OPD, There are a lot (not saying ALL) of officers that have shown their true colors and are very biased almost to the point of profiling. I've experienced this first hand... I'll I've got to say is, McMasters.

Posted by pjlove10 on July 14, 2008 at 10:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Camdad101, Sounds like you lived/live in a perfect utopian community. In Camarillo, when crimes occur witnesses come foward and help. C'mon sir, get a grip on reality. You said it, you are a bitter person. I bet you wished it was 1969 again, when things "were they way they were supossed to be". Don't we all though, seriously? You have to wake up and stop thinking that everyone's out to get you. You sound like you're locked in your house with boarded windows. Or maybe your the creepy old guy down the street that the kids don't ride their bikes past out of fear of geting yelled at, "Don't step on my lawn!". I see. I respect you as an older citizen and value your passion to want to live in a peaceful community. I too have those same values. I hate what crime and gangs do to a community. It's a terrible thing. But please open your mind a bit more, it's not an Oxnard issue, it's not a Camarillo issue, or even an LA issue. I am as concerned being an Oxnard resident as you are being a Camarillo resident, so what can you possibly say to that? I'm sure you'll think of something.

Posted by Starreader on July 14, 2008 at 10:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I live in Camarillo and find this all very sad and very disturbing. Another young man has been stabbed to death within a month of the other! Both were at parties, all signs point to Gang members showing up uninvited and stabbing whomever who told them to leave. Here’s the scary part; they KNOW they will be told to leave, that’s what they are counting on. These gang members are looking for someone to murder! Think about it.

It’s going to be up to the residents of Camarillo to protect themselves. Parents need to warn their children about gang members intentionally showing up at parties and calling the police immediately when they do. All these kids with cell phones, start taking photos of these losers when they show up. We need to get them off the streets.

My deepest condolences are with the families of those two boys.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on July 14, 2008 at 10:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Let's be honest here...the issues related to the nation's gang problem are multi-faceted. There's no "sure shot" solution to it. Kids have too much time on their hands, parents work too many hours to just get by and in the process neglect their children as they enter their most emotionally vulnerable age (teens), people are having more kids than they can afford or handle, Bush's leave "no middle to upper income child left behind act" has been SUCCESSFUL (at seperating income classes even more than before it was enacted), we're closing schools in Camarillo but opening a prison facility (just say that outloud, does that even make sense?).

We spend freely on unnecessary wars and neglect our domestic issues such as education, crime and poverty. The war on drugs is a front to create several layers of bureaucracy and an excuse to hire cronies. I don't have a solution, but I know where we should start the blame...(DUBYA)!

Posted by Relvd98 on July 14, 2008 at 10:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

steveb36701 posted an excellent comment. Yet, some people are still bashing on where one resides and forgetting about the young man who was viciously murdered.

Posted by rcamacho on July 14, 2008 at 10:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I look at an empty glass but view it as "having the potential to be full". Having said that, I am an optomist and have seen things get better in many ways. Albiet, I was born in Venice, Calif.,but Camarillo and Oxnard are still in better shape than LA county in terms of violent crimes.
My moms relatives grew up in Ventura in the 40-50s and those were the good ol days.
BeaHappi, I think you some things in the same way I do.
Im ol school...

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 14, 2008 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Relvd, I agree, I noticed that as well... no where in the article does it blame anyone from Oxnard. For all we know, it could have been Barry St. Boys... Since 'Oh please, they are bubble gummers compared to the L.A. and Oxnard gangs. They rarely stray from the little hood they've established.'

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 14, 2008 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Camdad101, while we have disagreements from time to time, I love your dedication to your community and your stick-to-it-iveness.

Posted by pjlove10 on July 14, 2008 at 11:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Camdad101 - We are all wanting the same thing. You just need to accept that Camarillo isn't the little Norman Rockwell town you once had. People from all areas are moving there, and it's the same for Oxnard. You sound very territorial. I admire that, now take the shells out of your shotgun and back away from the front door, I'm your new neighbor!

Posted by BeaHappi on July 14, 2008 at 11:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It's up to all people, no matter where you live, to be involved in your community. To take notice of and report things that just don't seem right, to report graffiti, to come forward if you have information about a crime.

Which for most of us who are law-biding is easy to do. The tough part is getting the people who might be involved or related to speak up.

Posted by oxnardraised on July 14, 2008 at 11:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

How did LA get involved in all this? Give me a break Camarillo has a lot of bad spots and their own little gang!

Posted by julsthemom on July 14, 2008 at 11:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow...this board is really full of really odd ball comments. When we moved to Camarillo 7 years ago, it was much different. Days at a time would go by w/o hearing sirens and helicopters. In just a short time span...grafitti has become an issue and now gang related murders. Two weeks ago, a 16 year old walking on a Sunday by blockbuster in broad daylight was beaten to a pulp and robbed...by obvious gang members. Kid was scared spitless to report it for fear the "gangs" would get him. Even sadder, people drove by and looked away rather than helping this kid and becoming involved. Unexcusable and shame on those that did nothing and allowing fear to control their actions. The citizens of Camarillo need to flood the city council chambers and demand actions be taken before it gets worse. As for the prison hospital...that is just gonna add more "undesireables" to what used to be a fine city. Give CamDad a break...he lives in Camarillo...he is a Dad...and has every right to want to protect the city he lives in and the children that reside here.

Posted by pjlove10 on July 14, 2008 at 11:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BeaHappi, Always the voice of reason. :) See, what it boils down to is that we are all concerned citizens of our own communities in which we live. It's up to us to make sure that we are all doing what we can to report crime and educate children on these dangers.

Posted by jd1511 on July 14, 2008 at 11:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BabyZ
So you are saying its Bush’s fault this young man was stabbed?
Maybe your right,
Maybe if he had secured the border,
These types of criminals would not even be in Oxnard.
However I do not think the killer was a victim of a school system lacking federal funding.
We are closing schools in Camarillo, because there are fewer students.
Unfortunately the State of California owns the property where the prison might open.
The city has tried to stop it, BTW.
You might want to get current on events, before you blame everything on Bush.
And,
We almost had the war on poverty won, until the Federal Government allowed the Mexican government to export their poverty problem to the US.

Posted by arcylg430 on July 14, 2008 at 11:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ok people..enough with this Oxnard and Camarillo stuff!!!! The POINT to this is that ANYONE being asked to leave a party whatever CITY you are in should just get in their car and drive away. SIMPLE!!! If you are asked to leave it is because you have a reputation of causing problems. This is the reason these murders are happenning!!! Do you think this would of happened if the host called the police to help get them out? Yes, maybe but I bet there was underage drinking and so forth so they just took it upon themselves to kick them out. The sad thing is that a very young person had to die for someones elses mistake. This young guy was a friend of my brothers and its sad to know that he was actually trying to "change" his life around and he ends up losing it instead!!! To the Castro family my hearts goes out to you and to all Jose Luis's friends please leave it as it is.. there is no use to keep this hate going and going. He is resting in peace and lets leave it like that. NO REVENGE PLEASE!!! someone else can lose their life... PEACE TO ALL !!!

Posted by julsthemom on July 14, 2008 at 11:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Pogmothoin...educate yourself before making assumptions. if you think its gonna be full of geriatrics it is obvious you have not done your research. The "undesireables" i am refering to are the families moving to be near their incarcerated husbands and fathers. And when the person has served their time...where do you think they are gonna live? Ah ha...with their families in our communities. The one geriatric that I could see residing in the mental and terminally ill prison hosp. would be Charles Manson.

Posted by BeaHappi on July 14, 2008 at 11:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

julsthemom...

Camdad101 gets so much heat because he constantly throws stones and blames neighboring cities for any problem that happens in Camarillo.

I'm a parent too. I get it, we all want safe environments for our families. I just don't think it does any good to constantly bash the largest city in Ventura County for any bit of crime that happens in Camarillo.

I'm sure he's very involved in his community and does many great things there. It's just his tone and blaming words that irritate the heck out of me.

Posted by camgurl on July 14, 2008 at 11:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

How old do you have to be to make comments on here? Because all this jibberish back and forth is just insane!
Lets focus on the topic people..
My condolences go out to the Castro Family.

Posted by rjeremy on July 14, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I live in Oxnard and I am afraid of myself!

Posted by oxnardraised on July 14, 2008 at 11:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

camdad101 - I've been pulled over in Calabasas which is a much nicer place than Camarillo gave the police officer my license with my Oxnard address on it and was given a warning and told to have a nice day! I know it wasn't Camarillo but hey it's better, right?

Posted by chickybabe on July 14, 2008 at 11:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Camdad101-What's your point here? I know Police officers(unbiased ones at that) in both cities that could care less what city is on your CDL.

I take great offense to the "Oxnard" comments. I'm a "white" female and have lived in Oxnard my entire life. I went to high school at Rio Mesa, where half the population is from Camarillo, and I was educated at CSUCI, which is also in Cam. I work in Cam, and have friends in both cities. I love both cities, and am ashamed that people in "safe" Camarillo would speak of other county cities and residents in such a manner.

Posted by Equitable_Enforcer on July 14, 2008 at 11:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

As someone noted earlier, OPD has done a great job with what they have. Oxnard, by the way, has a lower per capita crime rate than most cities their size. They have an excellent police department that is staffed with courageous officers who will put their lives on the line to protect any of you regardless of race, ethnicity or citizenship. They will protect you before asking questions.

As for poverty being the big factor in local crime, don't you believe it. Being poor doesn't mean you have to let your home or apartment surroundings deteriorate ... and being poor doesn't mean you have to commit crimes. It is about values, pride and personal responsibility. I'd use despicable to describe the bangers I've seen on the streets and in jail ... not poor. People migrate in search of better lives, but too often do not abandon the attitudes that contributed to the conditions they left in the first place. If you want to live in Camarillo and enjoy the good life ... be brave enough to get the bangers off of the streets. That is the American way.

Posted by julsthemom on July 14, 2008 at 11:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BeaHappi: I understand what your saying. That being said sometimes people write with emotion and I feel that all the nasty feedback defeats whatever purpose those bashing him are trying to make. Instead of bashing, perhaps people could try to read between the lines and figure out, or ask, why instead of namecalling. But...it is a blog.

Posted by BeaHappi on July 14, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"The "undesireables" i am refering to are the families moving to be near their incarcerated husbands and fathers."

Oh come on, do you really see that happening? I don't have an statistics but I would bet that the number of people who up and move in order to live near their incarcerated family members is very, very small.

Don't you recall the mothers day and fathers day articles about "Get on the Bus" - the program that takes kids of incarcerated parents to go and visit them in prison? If they all lived near the prisons there would not be a need for this.

Now back to this story...you know, it doesn't make me happy to read a story about a stabbing/killing in a city other than Oxnard. The entire thing - the gang mentality, these young people killing young people - over NOTHING - it's tragic.

And the more tragic thing is that even with tons of programs in place, community activism, etc. I don't see the gang problem ever going away. They get sent to prison and just become part of bigger and meaner gangs.

So the best that we can do is to make a difference where we can. And since the cities in our county are geographically close, it would seem that those of us who did give a crap about where we live should be supporting each other, not bashing one city over another.

Posted by cslaurie on July 14, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

When I lived in LA, all I knew of the town was that the criminally insane were shipped to Camarillo. Now they go to Atascadero. The joke then was, "that guy belongs in Camarillo".

Posted by senorbriar on July 14, 2008 at 11:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oxnard...Camarillo its all the same. Just stay away from the Eastern part of the county, which is commonly known as God's country.

Posted by BeaHappi on July 14, 2008 at 11:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

rjeremy...LOL! I'm afraid of you too!

Posted by Relvd98 on July 14, 2008 at 11:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm afraid too, rjeremy!

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on July 14, 2008 at 11:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

JD1511:

Your assumption was wrong. I am not blaming Bush for this kid. The guy that stabbed him killed him. I thought that was pretty obvious. I'm blaming your leader as the root cause of several of the nations problems (a few of which are education funding, higher drop out rates, decreasing social programs). I can draw out the example of how a kid joins a gang and how the several factors in their environment affect that decision. (sorry I can't draw pictures though) The killer is not a victim of deficient school system, he is the product.

If there were THAT many fewer students, then why is CAPE open? They closed the schools to save money for a mis-managed school district and supposedly give the teachers a raise (that'll never come to be).

"Maybe is he had secured the border" _that's too funny to even comment about. (that's a stretch)

"We almost had the war on poverty won, until the Federal Government allowed the Mexican government to export their poverty problem to the US.
"

What country have YOU been living in? Just because you and your neighbor are not near or below the poverty line does not mean the problem is close to being solved. That's myopic of you to think this. Or better yet, Fox News reported it so it MUST be true. Right? What do you mean by export their poverty problem? They still have their problem and the US had and continues to have it's own. Unfortunatley, neither country chooses to "own it" and address it.

Posted by pjlove10 on July 14, 2008 at 11:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Camdad101, lol.

Posted by Just_wondering on July 14, 2008 at 12:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I would like to see all gang members, regardless of their city of residence, be put on an island so they can take each other out away from the general population...would probably be a lot cheaper than housing them when they go to prison.

Posted by mamaof2 on July 14, 2008 at 12:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

wow since im from oxnard/hueneme i guess i should be afraid of myself too. ive never comiited a crime but who knows now since im from OX, you know it could happen any day now.

Posted by AngryYouth on July 14, 2008 at 12:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Funny that a gang related homicide happens in good ole Camarillo and suddenly everyone has to comment. Never seen this many comments on a gang related homicide in Oxnard. Sounds like the sheriffs dept. needs to pull some of those cops from the "safest city" and bring them to camarillo so they know what real crime is.

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 14, 2008 at 12:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

as an Oxnardian, I punch myself when I look in the mirror, but fear is never an issue.

Posted by Freedom1 on July 14, 2008 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Can't keep gangs out of Camarillo any more than you can out of any city in California and increasingly in more and more cities throughout the country. Just as the residents of Catalina what they are doing to their once peaceful city.

Posted by jd1511 on July 14, 2008 at 12:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BabyZ
I realized you were not blaming him directly.
Just found it sad you felt you need to bash Bush, in this blog.
I just get so tried of people blaming Bush for everything.
And for your information there are fewer students in Camarillo, please be informed.

Kids join gangs for a number of reasons, I’m sure.
I’m sure the glorification by Gangster rap does not help.
I’ll admit I’m no expert here.
I do know that MS-13 has nothing to do with the school systems however. And I do know School system get plenty of money, if they would just manage it properly.
When I was as student, California had one of the best education systems in the US,
now it is very near the bottom. Not because of a lack of money, but because the overload by illegal immigration.

Also stats show the poverty rate was decreasing substantially.
President Johnson’s war on poverty was working.
And off course Mexico still has poverty,
even though they have exported a good portion of it here.
Don’t be a fool.

And what makes you assume I even watch FOX news.
Anyway I will not address your ad hominem.

Posted by mamaof2 on July 14, 2008 at 12:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

lol, juniormafia, if you are punching ur self when u look in the mirror u may need to go to that new medical prison there building then u can be camdads new neighbor.

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 14, 2008 at 12:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mamaof2, that's the exact same thing the voices in my head tell me. Except, for some strange reason, they have a French accent. go figure. lol

Posted by lilmamma on July 14, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Crimn is not a black, mexican,white problem it is everyone's problem. Camarillo is not perfect no city is so get over it. Over the last month or so there have been stabbings in Ventura, Oxnard, Port Hueneme,and now Camarillo. The Violence gang relate ,alcohol related, and ignorance related needs to stop!!

Posted by hotwildflower on July 14, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

and my kids think I am overly protective. I grew up in Camarillo, born and raised and think it is a wonderful town to raise a family...but heck, I used to go to parties over on this street when I was in high school. It feels like it was just a couple of years ago, but in reality...it's a lifetime ago because then you could go to parties and not worry about being stabbed or shot, worst you would see and very very rarely was a fist fight.

I know we live in the best country in the world and have all these wonderful freedoms, but I think some of our freedoms have been taken advantage of and been the downfall of our great nation. You have to monitor what your children watch on TV so closely, their music and while I understand the artists have their right to freely express themselves, I think mainstream media has sold out and lowered their standards!

What happened to the days of video games being pacman and eating the dots or Mrs. Pacman and the little lovescene...now it is Grand Theft Auto and shoot 'em up games.

It's a sad time in our culture and will contine to fall as people keep pushing the envelope of what is acceptable. They forget that the kids are watching, listening and learning despite a parents best efforts to protect them.

CamDad, thank you for being so actively involved in our community and in our children's lives.

Posted by getreal on July 14, 2008 at 12:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

lilmamma who do you think is in these gangs? I haven't heard of an Asian stabbing yet have you?

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 14, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Actually Pacman was cannibalistic, he was a dot and he was eating other dots... sorry, it had to be said.

I'm a product of the 80's and even then it wasn't as violent as it is today. I wish we could somehow go back to that. While I would support any effort to get there, I don't know that it is possible. Keep up the good fight CamDad... not just for Camarillo, but for all cities.

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 14, 2008 at 12:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

getreal, I think you are making this a race issue, when in reality I don't think it has any merit here. Up North Asian gangs are the ones to watch out for. FYI, in Ventura County we do have Asian gangs.

Posted by hotwildflower on July 14, 2008 at 12:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You got me on the cannibalism!

Posted by jd1511 on July 14, 2008 at 12:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Juniormafia:
We know who the gang members are in Ventura County.
And we know what areas they live in.
It is a byproduct of the illegal immigration crisis.
Yes there are Black & Asian gangs elsewhere.
However we are talking about VC, not elsewhere.

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 14, 2008 at 12:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

FYI, in Ventura County we do have Asian gangs.

ALSO FYI, I don't know any illegals that are in gangs... that is a product of LA.

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 14, 2008 at 12:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

not saying there isn't any illegals in gangs here, just stating that the majority of gang members in VC are residents.

Posted by Oxnard_805 on July 14, 2008 at 12:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dcmcgov u need to realize what u are saying, learn how to read, it says that he was approaching the truck of a man from OXNARD nowhere does it say that OXNARD had anything to do with it. Thae guy that was stabbed was probably heading over to the truck cause he knew the guy and was looking for help, ever thought of that. U need to realize that the people from OXNARD are not bad people. And would probably not want to move to camarillo anyways so I believe you should really retract what u said.

Posted by mamaof2 on July 14, 2008 at 12:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

its true, i dont know any illegals in gangs either.

Posted by hotwildflower on July 14, 2008 at 1:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As I was told last week...people don't wear their immigration papers on their foreheads, so how would we know if there are illegals in gangs? I mean, all of them in the ER are legal, right?

Posted by Oxnard_805 on July 14, 2008 at 1:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Camdad101 -
where do u get thae nerve to call the residents of OXNARD "undesiareables" u got some nerve buddy. Step back and take a look in the mirror.Just cause u live in camarillo does nt make u any better than the rest of us.

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 14, 2008 at 1:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hotwildflower, while it's true, they don't wear their papers on their foreheads, I personally know and am related to a lot of gangmembers, all the ones that I know (which is too many) are here legally... just goes to show, 'product of environment' is bologna, I chose not to be a part of that lifestyle, even though it is all around me.

Posted by hotwildflower on July 14, 2008 at 1:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Amen to that Junior Mafia!!! My life could be a LifeTime movie of the week, however it takes rising above and takeing responsibility for your own actions and control your own life.

In the end, this is my life and it is what I make of it! I don't cry about what I have lived through but embrace it because it has made me who I am and made me a mother and wife I can be proud of!

Posted by jd1511 on July 14, 2008 at 1:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Juniormafia
Interesting comments.
How did you avoid the gangs?
I would like to get your take on gangs.

Posted by pjlove10 on July 14, 2008 at 1:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

They're sure are some extremely ignorant people on here today. jd1511, your joking right? Don't tell me that you actually think only illegals join gangs? I know of plenty people that were born and raised here that chose that lifestyle. It's a life choice. And don't tell me this is strictly a product or the environment, it's not the rule. I know of many people that grew up in tougher areas that are now doctors, lawyers, and/or working in profressional careers, myself included.

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 14, 2008 at 1:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I avoided gangs in a number of ways, I stayed out of trouble for the most part. Parties were always out of the question for me, something always went down at parties; be it somebody getting beat up or someone getting 'shanked'. I also had a friend that thought he was with people that were his friends at a party, he left with them and wound up dead along Hales Rd. on the outskirts of Oxnard/Camarillo, that was a huge factor for me. While I wasn't the best student and certainly not the friendliest, I tried to make due and just hang out with people that would get me in the least amount of trouble. VIDEO GAMES, were a huge deterrent, they kept me from going out at night... lol... yes, even the violent ones, you have to keep in mind, a game is a game.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on July 14, 2008 at 1:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hotwildflower:

LOL...to make a statement either way about gang member's legal status would be unsubstantiated right?

JD1511: Come back from the 60's man. Your hero LBJ's War on Poverty came a at time when poverty was ALREADY declining and continued to decline (contrary to what you insinuated earlier that immigration screwed that up). Wanna reference more LBJ fine accomplishments? (Vietnam for example) If you're going to credit a President for someting good in society, you also have to be able to blame them for something bad in society under their watch.

juniormafia_ny:
There are exceptions (I was also raised under the same situation you were in reference to being related-to and knowing gang members while growing up)...You do have to ask yourself though, what made you different from those that chose the gang lifestyle? There's always something that keeps you from it. (either something that's in your life or something that was not vs. what they had)

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 14, 2008 at 1:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

kind of jumped all over the place, but those are some ways I avoided all that.

Posted by godslove1 on July 14, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We do not allow the following:

* Posts that degrade others on the basis of gender, race, class, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sexual orientation or disability.
* Disparaging remarks, abusive language or obscene comments.
* Threats, whether obvious or veiled.

Please take note...these are the said requirements on posting on here...NOTICE THE BLATANT VIOLATIONS AND THE LACK THEREOF OF THIS PUBLICATION TAKING ANY SORT OF ACTION TO STOP THIS ABUSE.

If you didn't notice before notice it NOW please!

Posted by pjlove10 on July 14, 2008 at 1:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

godslove1, Are you the moderator?

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 14, 2008 at 1:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BabyzDaddy, I think one thing that made me different is that I had 2 great parents, they would always want to meet my friends and question my whereabouts...

Posted by hotwildflower on July 14, 2008 at 1:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What is so offensive? This is child's play compared to most comments sections...

Posted by pjlove10 on July 14, 2008 at 1:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

juniormafia_ny - very poinient. TWO parents make all the difference in the world. Actually, two CARING, CONCERNED parents make the difference. On the flip side I have seen tons single parent situations be very successful as well.

Posted by pjlove10 on July 14, 2008 at 1:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Is someone trying to play the "comment police?" People are always so quick to become offended. It's a discussion, period.

Posted by godslove1 on July 14, 2008 at 1:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The offense is constantly to the city of Oxnard. I'm so tired of hearing all the negativity from you all that think that it is ok to bash our city. Yes, there are some bumps in the road but it's pathetic that Oxnard is constantly painted as the red-headed stepchild. The thing I hate most is that instead of the Star presenting a non-biased view of the county they choose to focus on the shadows and refuse to run this paper with the integrity that a newspaper should carry. I vote we call a spade a spade...The Star Enquirer...yes that's it...This rag should be used for what it's staff allows and promotes...

Posted by pjlove10 on July 14, 2008 at 1:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

godslove1, I will agree with you on your point. Oxnard sure has a horrible name, and it doesn't help that the only main local paper seems to unfairly input Oxnard in most of it's negative stories. I will say this, I live in Oxnard and must answer to many sterotypes, and misconceptions of our city. The problem is that it's not evenly spread. Camarillo, just like Simi Valley have also become quite embedded into some of these crime stories recently, but I think people are too programmed to think Oxnard is worse. There's no changing their minds.

Posted by Ms_California on July 14, 2008 at 1:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hate is everywhere. We need to give these kids options. I understand there are tons of programs for kids, but most of them are just babysitting programs. Where they go to the YMCA or Boys n girls club but they sit there and screw around anyway. When they leave there they cause problems. We need structured programs at low expense to the parents. Creative programs that help kids with the future or put the energy they have towards anger into a more constructive avenue.... in a perfect world right!

But seriously, we as the community whether you live in LA, OX, CAM, VTA or otherwise... need be accountable as far as neighborhood watch goes. You can't complain about the noise and problems and then just sit back and expect the PD or other agencies to take care of it. If you don't call attention to it... they won't come to help fix it! Let me tell you, if there is something going on, on my street damn sure my a$$ would be on the phone calling to get police to respond. Hell if someone was being stabbed on my street, I know for a FACT my husband would be out there with his gun to help protect the victim and his neighborhood.

Posted by thetruthdotcom on July 14, 2008 at 1:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

damn out of over 120 + comments, there's only like 2 people sending thoughts and prayers to the victim's family. i hope the guy's family & friends are not reading this OXNARD VS. CAMARILLO quarrel. but if they do, I wish Jose's family and friends the best and may God be with them during this tough time.

Posted by getreal on July 14, 2008 at 1:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm sure the family is hurting right now but their son, brother, friend chose a thug life. He probably had the "it won't happen to me attitude" and guess what? It happened.

Posted by Ms_California on July 14, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

getreal? do we know that the victim was in a gang? I don't recall seeing that he was actually named in a gang.

I had a very very good friend who was murdered several years ago. He was minding his own business and was SHOT in the head by a gang banger during his initiation to the gang. My friend never was part of any "gang activity" and was a straight laced kinda guy. Just driving home in his car. He simply was in the wrong place at the right time. Oh and this happened in Ventura in the east end area of town. We shouldn't speculate and say nasty things until we know the details.

Posted by thetruthdotcom on July 14, 2008 at 2:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"It's possibly gang related, but we don't have any confirmations," Bonfiglio said.

getreal: so on that comment alone, you have decided that the deceased 20 year old chose a thug life? you're an idiot. really.

Posted by rcamacho on July 14, 2008 at 2:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My prayers and condolences go to the moms and dads...

Posted by sunnbear on July 14, 2008 at 2:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If rjeremy is Ron Jeremy, then you all should be afraid of him. He carries a very big stick!

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 14, 2008 at 2:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks for the innuendo Sunnbear!

Posted by sunnbear on July 14, 2008 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

by the way, godslove1.

1. Shouldn't "God" always be capitalized out of respect for him. Even in your silly screen name?

2. If you are truly tired of hearing all the negativity associated with the city of Oxnard, couldn't you just refrain from reading the posts in the comment section?

3. Is the red-headed stepchild someone to be ashamed of? A bit bigotted aren't we? As the "Red-headed Stepchild" in my family, I take great offense to your comment and I suggest the removal of your post.

Posted by UCSBguy on July 14, 2008 at 2:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'd rather live in oxnard than Camarillo. It's so boring and you guys don't even have your own Police Department. Camarillo is just like a back country of Oxnard. You go to Camarillo to retire. Very boring place.

Posted by steveb36701 on July 14, 2008 at 2:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ms California and truthdot com: I used to teach at ACHS and Jose was identified a long time ago as a gang-banger. Truthfully, I am surprised he made it this long. My sympathies to the Castro family and I hope if there are younger siblings at home this will be a wake-up call for them.

Posted by seahorseblue on July 14, 2008 at 3:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I usually do not read Star-Rag articles, but living in Cam 35+ yrs, I read this one. Lot of bashing; Oxd vs Cam, who has the most "dangerous" gangs, was the victim a member of a gang or not, etc, etc. Three FACTS at this time people: unknown if gang-related, no suspect(s) at this time, a family member was sadly lost to violence... Give the VCSO homicide detectives a chance to do their job: hopefully witness have spoken up.

As for gangs, Oxd, Cam, El Rio, Santa Paula, Fillmore has had them for years and they rarely get along and do "protect" their turf...their violence has existed also for years. Camarillo's biggest problem right now is its "Tagger Crews" are becoming more violent and some have reached gang stauus.

Posted by sunnbear on July 14, 2008 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

godslove1, It's been 15 minutes and nobody has removed your comments yet. Damn Star Enquirer!

Posted by jay3777 on July 14, 2008 at 3:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OMG the mexican gangbangers are invading Camarillo, come on now. It will be like me saying stupid like our white government invaded a sovereign nation called Iraq.

Posted by sunnbear on July 14, 2008 at 3:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pog, I just like giving a hard time to the self-righteous people whom don't realize that a comment is just a comment. By the way...your Irish, right? It's probably the blonde-headed stepchild that gets all the abuse in your family, huh?

Posted by rcamacho on July 14, 2008 at 3:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OK everyone ..Back to work..Im done with my lunch break. ..

Back to My Myspace now......

Posted by sunnbear on July 14, 2008 at 3:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OK, Cartman!

Posted by sunnbear on July 14, 2008 at 3:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pog. Did you have to put up a link to a picture of your sister? I thought that was a family secret.

Posted by sunnbear on July 14, 2008 at 3:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm glad you have a sense of humor. The world needs more people like us. Don't you think?

Posted by mamaof2 on July 14, 2008 at 3:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

omg lol! i needed a good laugh thanks pog.

Posted by juniormafia_ny on July 14, 2008 at 3:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gingervitis... lovin it.

Posted by moorparkman2000 on July 14, 2008 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am sad that you people are paranoid of "Oxnard invading Camarillo" and whatnot.

WE ARE ALL AMERICANS

WHY ARE WE SO DIVIDED

Most of the world hates us, let's not hate each other, please.

That's all I have to say.

Posted by CSUNgirl on July 14, 2008 at 4:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Much love and respect to the family & everyone who knew Jose! We will forever miss you!!!! R.I.P. Jose Luis Castro

Posted by speedyjayz on July 14, 2008 at 4:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

R.I.P. Chelease.....

Posted by sparks240 on July 14, 2008 at 5:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I used to have big parties back in the day. I would always hire a security guard to stand at the door and check invitations. It keeps the uninvited out and keeps the cops at bay.

Posted by ebrockway on July 14, 2008 at 5:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hmmm, Mexican Gangbangers From Oxnard? Irish Red-headed Stabbers From The Potato Famine? Bolivian Druglords Wearing "Colombian Neckties"? Whodunnit?
How 'bout a Skateboarder from PV Park with two parents, bad grades, and a car of his own?
Never know about this town....

Posted by godslove1 on July 14, 2008 at 6:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

@sunbear...whatever LOL! You can go crawl back into your cave now..or under your rock.

@Pog...great pic...I think I know that man!

@all...Just making a point that all knew but have never talked about it in a civil way. This is a serious problem with this "news" paper. There is far more good news about Oxnard than there is negative but if that is all one reads about then the other doesn't exist right?...sad really...

@Jose Luis's family...my deepest condolences and sympathy. May he rest in peace and may Our Lord bring you comfort through your pain.

Posted by JohnAlamillo on July 14, 2008 at 7:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Camdad-
Same thing happened in my hood. I think the woman was a prostitute and her pimp daddy kept the music bangin till all hours of the morning. Corn fed family threw beer cnas and rib bones all over the street.

Damm I hate those people from Nebraska!

I'm sure Don Adolfo Camarillo and Henry Oxnard are rolling in their graves at this conversation.

Posted by dotkay on July 14, 2008 at 9:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Couldn't agree more with CAMDAD101. I grew up in Camarillo and it was and is a great place to live. Even when I was a child, we feared going into Oxnard. 60 years later and its still scary.

Posted by MyThoughtsOnly on July 14, 2008 at 10:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Most things being said here have no relevance to respect, compassion and caring for this young man and his grieving family. Although I don't know them, I have lived in this area for 15+ years and this is an extremely unusual occurance and for that I am grateful, but my heart truly grieves for the young man, his family and friends. Rather than sit here judging and accusing, why not share ideas on how to prevent things such as this from happening again? Otherwise, it's simply adding fuel to the fire and only a matter of time...

If we choose to, we can all learn from this...

Posted by BiggestBrother on July 14, 2008 at 10:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

When will "SOME" Americans overcome their Narrow Minded Pettiness and stop blaming everyone for their failures in life? money is useless when you have a rotten soul....... I'll take Oxnard and its beautiful weather over Camarillo anyday, I think its jealousy if you tell me.........

Posted by xalonnax on July 15, 2008 at 12:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dcmcgov-are you an idiot? evidently, you didn't seem to comprehend why the word 'oxnard' popped in there. nowhere did it say that people from oxnard were involved. read it again slowly & make sure you pay attention. even my little brother would be able to understand that. haha. & why do you have to automatically assume that all oxnard residents are violent & up to no good? people like you are the ones who cause hatred in this world. how dare you open your trap & say that camarillo should keep

oxnard out? you're so ignorant & childish. open your damn eyes & learn to realize that nobody is safe. the second you walk out your door, you're life is in danger. you have to stop acting like camarillo residents are better than us oxnard residents because honey, you have a lot to learn. it's funnyhow you're trying to sound like a 'peacemaker,' yet, you put people down. haha. you make me laugh. i pity you for being so dumb & ignorant. i've been an oxnard resident my whole life & i can guarantee that i'm a better person than you. because unlike you, my mother (who was also raised in oxnard) raised me to not judge people for where they come from. you have many life lessons to learn. good luck in life my dear. life will surely eat you alive if you're this close-minded. have a great day. =)

Posted by mamaof2 on July 15, 2008 at 8:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Camdad I am from OX born and raised, so are u calling me trash? I think you need to drop your nose down so you can be level with everyone for a second and take that stick out of your @$$ so you can think for a minute. Not everyone from OX lives that way. You make oxnard people seem like we ALL have some type of disease. You know what I've read your comments here and see that there is probably no getting through to u. For you to make comments about a whole city of people you dont even know brings you down to the same level of this "trashy lady" which lives next door to u. I have no idea what posseses your head to think that u are better than everybody else but your not u are no better than all the people u talk about and put down.

Posted by xalonnax on July 15, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

camdad101-you're the biggest f****n' idiot in the world. the comment that i posted for dcmcgov is applied more to you. so, camarillo is YOUR city. ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahah. that's how much you make me laugh. i bet you're an old @$$ geezer who thinks he's more superior than anyone else. just remember that you have children & i wish them all the luck in the world because they have such an ignorant father but haven't you ever heard that saying that your children will turn out to be like the people you judge? hahahaha. LOSER! & i was born & raised in oxnard & i'm not trash. & like i told that other idiot, i'll tell you too-- i was born & raised in oxnard & i can guarantee that i'm a better person than you because unlike you, my mother (who was also raised in oxnard), taught me to not judge people for where they're from. clearly, that's a little quality your mother failed to teach you. you can run your mouth on the internet, let's see you do it elsewhere. hahahahahaha. LAME @$$!

Posted by daisy7859 on July 15, 2008 at 10:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ahhh yes, another long list of comments that make no reference to the article in question, yet stab at the clearly defined stereotypes of the many cities in our county.

Camarillo residents should stop acting like snobs and look at the big picture. Of course you are going to think that Oxnard is low-class, gang-ridden place. The first place you see when you drive to our town is yes, the lower-income areas, but as you drive along, it does become a nicer place.

And lets think about it this way: Oxnard is taking care of some of the troubles and worries its citizens have had for a long time... Maybe your little snobby community can come together to make your own community FEEL safer.

Since the gang injunction went into affect, I have noticed a lot more less-desirable people more into my once "quiet" neighborhood in west Oxnard. I think about those gang injunction rules and if I feel that some of those less-desireables are doing some of the activities labeled in the junction as "gang-related," I CALL MY LOCAL POLICE OFFICER. Give them descriptions, locations, time-lines, whatever it takes.

The more the police know about these incidents, the more the city will become aware of the problem and TAKE CARE OF IT.

So instead of sitting at your computer, reading an article that mentions the work "Oxnard," ONE TIME, without making reference that it was an OXNARD CITIZEN WHO COMMITTED THIS CRIME, get off your lazy bums, pick up the phone and make some calls. Keep your eyes open for anything out of the ordinary. These snobby "Keep Oxnard out of Camarillo" comments are unnecessary, ridiculous and completely stereotypical of snooty Camarillo citizens with their noses up their own bums because they think their feces doesn't stink.

You are lame!

Posted by 805Mommaof2 on July 15, 2008 at 2:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow...I think the real problem is not with any city in particular it is with the people who have nothing but ill intent in their heart, just look at what happened here, dcmcgov lit a fire underneath all our butts, then sat watching and laughing from afar as it burned. To generalize a city, town or even a country based on some of the bad apples that live there is just plain IGNORANCE. It is just dumb to be so narrow minded to think that you are any better a person just because you live in a city that is labeled as a "safe place" no one is safe from those who have intent to harm someone, those with darkness in their hearts are everywhere, so dcmcgov all you have proven here is that you are no better than those who choose to go out and commit crimes, you are just the same, only you choose to spit fire from afar and then hideout cowardly in cyberspace...you want to change the world...why don't you try being a better person first!

Posted by mamaof2 on July 15, 2008 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Amen!

Posted by JohnAlamillo on July 15, 2008 at 4:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Please don't characterize all in Camarillo as racist, bigoted a-holes. Many long time residents are more concerned with preserving the history, not re-writing it.

What’s interesting is we have some in our city that send their kids to school in Westlake so they can associate with the "right kind of people." Its not Oxnard and it not Camarillo, its morons that believe they are better that others.

This from a 46 year resident whose family first got to Camarillo in 1951.

Posted by CamarilloRocks on July 16, 2008 at 11:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

RIP JOSE! JUST TO LET YOU ALL KNOW HE JOSE WAS NOT PART OF A GANG. THE GUYS FROM OXNARD THAT COMMITTED THE CRIME WERE FROM A GANG. PLEASE DO NOT DISRESPECT JOSE. HE WAS A VERY KIND HEARTED GUY AND MUCH LOVED. I LOVE YOU AND WILL MISS YOU JOSE I WILL SEE YOU THURSDAY AT THE FUNERAL<3<3<3<3<3

Posted by brian.williams930 on July 16, 2008 at 12:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This kid died in the parking lot of the school I attended as a kindergartener the first year it opened. Back then there was nothing but orchards all the way to Los Altos.

Yes - I'm "Pasty-White" but looking back at my school class pictures - we had a racially diverse student body. I bet most parents were like mine - moving away from the big city to live and raise a family in a safe rural town. I suppose that's why Camarillo is what it is today.

Question: Why did an Oxnard gang decide to drive to Camarillo and "crash" this particular kids party? Did he have "bad friends" at this party? Someone “made-the-call” It was not a chance drive by.

The culture of Camarillo and Oxnard can best be viewed from the restrooms at the fast food restaurants. Notice the gang symbols scratched on the walls and toilet seats (toilet seats? What type of low life does this?) - then visit the ones in Camarillo. Look for other forms of graffiti. What types of people (yes TYPES) do this type of vandalism? How come you don’t see it in Camarillo?

I'll walk down any street in Camarillo; any time, day or night. I’ll even shout out “Where you from Homie?”

But you have to do the same in Oxnard. And I promise not to pick the Marina area or some "Pasty-White" gated community.

You can hate me all you want for loving, respecting and honoring my city and fellow neighbors – but that’s just the culture of Camarillo.

Good Luck Oxnard!!

Posted by janabanana71 on July 16, 2008 at 4:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The article didn't say an Oxnard gang drove to Camarillo. The article simply said that the victim tried to get into a car owned by an Oxnard resident. I lived and worked in Oxnard...I also worked in Camarillo and Thousand Oaks, and let me tell you, there are plenty of places in Camarillo AND Thousand Oaks that I wouldn't want to walk at night. Doesn't mean that they're populated by former Oxnard residents.

Posted by res0crek on July 17, 2008 at 1:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I for one am not afraid to share Camarillo with people from Oxnard. I've lived in Oxnard, and they welcomed me, so why should I not welcome them now???
And who is really so delusional to think that Camarillo is "safe"? We have everything here that every other city has. Drunk drivers, stabbings, break-ins, drugs etc... and mind you, a lot of those crimes are comitted by... long-time Camarillo citizens or their out of control children.

My condolences to the family!

Posted by BiggestBrother on July 17, 2008 at 7:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why do white Americans refuse to let go of the past and accept the fact that they no longer rule through their xenophobia and the division and power it brought to them. The wealth distribution that leans towards white America is being closed, and Camarillo is not the execption so if change must come it will bring the good, the bad and the ugly.

The fact of the matter is that if you let go you will lead calm happy lives and not lives of hate, bigotry and envy for the new leaders who wont be white, yet hope that your children will not bear what you and your grandparents did to minorities.

As the truth might hurt it is reality, that cannot be reversed, look at your Leaders and Politicians who are they where did they come from, they sure did not come from cities like Camarillo.....

Have a nice day all.................

Posted by Camman1 on July 17, 2008 at 7:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ummm, where were the parents during all of this??? And why were they letting a party go on at almost 1am in the morning?

Posted by getreal on July 17, 2008 at 8:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Camman the victim was 20. I haved had my own apartment/house since I was 18. My parents were no longer responsible for me.

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