Posted by jbh50 on July 10, 2008 at 1:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Immigration violations? wow, go figure, I thought he was only here doing work Americans wouldn't do...

Posted by lrgvanman on July 10, 2008 at 6:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

seems alot of people don't want to obey laws anymore

Posted by Ms_California on July 10, 2008 at 6:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

high_society... why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? I wish people had your way of thinking. I guess people nowadays just don't have any morals or ethics. I personally, would do whatever I could to become a citizen of a country that welcomed me in and gave me a better life. Why the hell not!

Posted by danp on July 10, 2008 at 7:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"police intervention technique" as they rammed the car repeatedly just like they saw in a movie

Posted by keepin_it_real on July 10, 2008 at 7:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wooo Hooo!!!! 1 down, how many more to go? Ups, sorry, if we go after these criminals (illegal immagrants) that is cruel and unusual punishment. But the rest of us have to put up with their crimes.

I can't agree with you more Ms_California and high_society, very well put.

High speed chases? These idiots always get caught and it just makes it worse. Won't they ever learn?

Send him back to Mexico where he belongs. High_society, immigrants want all the same rights the rest of us have? but they want it all for free. And they get it because they are immigrants. Gosh, lets see if we can do that. I don't think there is a chance in ___. Now who is being discriminated against?

Posted by jamaro099 on July 10, 2008 at 7:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The mentality of some comments reminds me of my two year-old....He wants his sister's toys even though he has a playroom overflowing with his own toys.

First, the guy broke the law and needs suffer the consequences.

Second, the fact that he is here illegally has ZERO to do with the immigration debate. Some Members of ALL groups break the law(illegal, legal, native, etc.).

But, since some of you insist on forcing the issue then here is a challenge: Stop patronizing industries that are known to hire illegal immigrants. Stop eating at restaurants, stop going to the car wash, stop buying produce at the super-market, stop hiring maids/baby-sitters. On top of that, close the loop-hole and make it mandatory for businesses to be heavily fined and/or closed if caught hiring illegals, whether they claim to know it or not.

Until we do those things, we (American People) are hypocrites for trying to push all the blame and punishment on illegals.

Oh and high_society, what does having parents born in Mexico have to do with your ability to speak for Latin people?

Posted by rebel123 on July 10, 2008 at 7:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

They don't try to come here legally because the system to do that is either not accessible to them in Mexico, costs too much, or takes too long. For those with the money, knowledge and access, it's about a two to three year waiting list to get in. On the other hand, if you're middle eastern with computer skills, you can get in here in about three weeks for a company that claims H1B visa needs. Those, my friends, are the jobs that are seriously putting Americans out of work.

Posted by mikeb6804 on July 10, 2008 at 7:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Now let's get this guy out of the country and take steps to make sure he doesn't come back---ever.

Posted by dom_kenpo on July 10, 2008 at 8:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Maybe they should model the immigration offense laws after the Gulag in Siberia?

Posted by spulido805 on July 10, 2008 at 9:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

wow shipfaced how did you come accross that information. Very well done...

Posted by FedUp on July 10, 2008 at 9:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Second, the fact that he is here illegally has ZERO to do with the immigration debate. Some Members of ALL groups break the law(illegal, legal, native, etc.)."

get a clue! it has everything to do with the immigration debate. if we would shut down our borders for good, and start enforcing the immigration laws, our law enforcement would have more time to deal with our own lawbreakers!

Why do you think we are in such a budget crisis? most libs will point to the war in Iraq. why not look at the $20 billion a year that is spent on illegals currently here. this accounts for the illegal prisoners, medical, education, etc, etc.

If our politicians actually had the b.a.lls to stop pandering to their business owner friends and look the other way on hiring violations, we could actually afford to make sure our own students get a decent education. we would not have the need to build another prison hospital. we would not have to shut down another ER that is flooded with illegals who have the sniffles.

so sick of this garbage.

Posted by Ms_California on July 10, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And the race issues return! {sigh!}

Posted by FedUp on July 10, 2008 at 9:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"And the race issues return! {sigh!}"

I am sorry. how is this a race issue again? this is about immigration. whether this criminal was from El Salvador, Mexico, Canada, Japan, Britain. it makes no difference. it is people like you Ms California that turn this into a race issue.

Posted by Relvd98 on July 10, 2008 at 10:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"get a clue! it has everything to do with the immigration debate. if we would shut down our borders for good, and start enforcing the immigration laws, our law enforcement would have more time to deal with our own lawbreakers"

FedUp...what borders are you specifically referring to?

Posted by FedUp on July 10, 2008 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am pretty sure it is our only landlocked borders that are the issue. Illegals from all countries utilize the northern and southern borders to come into the US.

Posted by FedUp on July 10, 2008 at 10:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

you are correct juniormafia. I have had some friends do it a couple of times. on both the east and west coasts.

Posted by mamaof2 on July 10, 2008 at 10:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have to agree with Fedup, mscalifornia: it does seem as u are trying to make this into an racial issue. i think this is one if the first times where a topic of immigration did not get me upset. alot of times people here pin point mexicans when they are talking about illeglas but for once no one mentioned any thing offensive (at least in my opinion about this mans race).

high_society: how are u latina if your parents are from mexico? i always thought latinas where from latin america, chile, brazil, guatamala, columbia etc...

Posted by oxnard40 on July 10, 2008 at 10:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

FedUp.. What is your solution to the immigration problem? You don't want to pay to keep them in our jails, but if you deport them they keep coming back.

???

Posted by mamaof2 on July 10, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

i think we should have tighter broders. im not sure if its still the same but i know if you got caught illegally crossing some one over then all they did was scare u for a couple hours then let u go and this could happen up to 6 times before they actually do something about it. or they will fine u $5000 which u could easily cross a couple people over again and pay the fine.

Posted by oxnard40 on July 10, 2008 at 11:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

When I think of illegal immigration, I always think of Born in East LA.

People come across, get caught, get sent back to Mex(whether they are Mexican or not) and then repeat.

It is a problem now, it was a problem then, and will continue to be a problem until we get a better solution.

Posted by BeaHappi on July 10, 2008 at 11:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Since he was previously deported and made his way back I think the authorities should talk to him and find out how he does it!

Idiot! Lucky that no one else on the freeway was injured.

Posted by FedUp on July 10, 2008 at 11:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

oxnard40 - honestly, my solution is either considered not PC, or would infuriate the ACLU or some other liberal activist group.

1. you build a wall, or some form of decent deterrent on all borders.
2. you take away the anchor baby law.
3. you start fining businesses and individuals big dollars for employing illegals. also, tack on actual jail time for the owners of these companies.
4. all of the illegals who are currently serving out sentences, will serve their sentences, and then be shipped back to their home country, on their home countries dime.
5. Make current prisoners work in the fields. chain gang style. according to so many people, it is only illegals who do these jobs. simple solution. plus, the farmers would make more money, since they would not have to pay nearly as much money to the criminals.

Once the illegals are weeded out (yes, it will take years and years) the jobs that HS aged kids used to do, ie: car wash, busboys, dishwashers, etc, these jobs will be available again. we could actually turn this country around again. we would not have the lazy, playstation, give me whatever I want generation that we have today. Kids will actually work for what they want. 15 years ago, most all of my HS aged friends had some sort of a job. some of them mowed lawns, worked at restaurants and car washes. why is it so different now? kids are either lazier, or illegals do these jobs for less money.

it is not as simple as it sounds, but that is only because the lobbyists and the politicians who control our laws currently, would lose lots and lots of money.

sorry for the long post, but you asked for my solution.

Posted by jamaro099 on July 10, 2008 at 11:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Fedup,

The immigration debate is about what to do about the illegals currently here and those that continue to cross our borders. Crime is a problem all groups face so arguing that we should shut our borders down because some illegals continue to commit crimes is not valid (imo) since that argument can be used against legal immigrants, native citizens, etc.

We both know the $20 billion you referred to is misleading. While we(American people) have to pay an extra $100 in taxes for public services to these people, we're saving $40 in lower restuarant fees, $10 in carwashes, $30 in produce costs, $20 in lower hotel costs, $50 in lower construction costs, etc. The net effect is that by employing illegals we as a whole are saving money.

The American people have always demanded cheap labor from whatever source was available (slavery, chinese railroad workers, Japanese farm workers, "Sweat-shops" in foreign lands and of course the illegals of today).

Until we acknowledge our own greed, the "problems" you refer to are of our own making.

But, I do agree with you on the politicians/business owner argument.

My objection is that we are trying to push the bulk of the blame and punishment on illegal immigrants. When it comes to illegal immigration, we're breaking just as many of our own laws as they are; Why should they bear the brunt of the punishment?

Posted by jamaro099 on July 10, 2008 at 11:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"2. you take away the anchor baby law"

Really? What happened to following the law? You want to follow the law when it comes to deporting illegals(no "Amnesty"), but also want to change the law when it comes to AMERICAN citizens right to stay here.

Do you want to follow the law or don't you?

Posted by BeaHappi on July 10, 2008 at 11:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

jamaro099...I'm sorry, but I don't agree with your points about the $$ being saved because of illegals being employed.

What about taxpayers who don't eat out or get their cars washed and don't stay at hotels? And in regards to construction costs being lowered...I'm irritated that US born construction workers find themselves out of jobs because of this very thing.

In my humble opinion, we are paying more for fruits and vegetables because of the programs that our taxes go to support. And the sense of entitlement that some illegal immigrants have just floors me!

We need to stop the bleeding. I agree with FedUp...

Posted by BeaHappi on July 10, 2008 at 11:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Question - if I'm visiting another country and give birth, is my child automatically a citizen of that country? If I'm not a citizen there, don't have a VISA or a green card there...would my child be a citizen?

Posted by jamaro099 on July 10, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"When I think of illegal immigration, I always think of Born in East LA."

Hey, me too. Except you might not remember that the protagonist was deported despite being an American citizen. A reflection of the U.S.' sense of entitlement that we can use and treat people however we want.

Posted by BeaHappi on July 10, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"When it comes to illegal immigration, we're breaking just as many of our own laws as they are; Why should they bear the brunt of the punishment?"

Well technically...all illegal immigrants broke the law the day they came into this country ILLEGALLY!

Posted by jamaro099 on July 10, 2008 at 11:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bea,

It depends on the laws of that country. Our great country has that law but other countries may choose differently.

Posted by jamaro099 on July 10, 2008 at 11:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No argument there Bea about lawbreaking but the problem is systemic.

As a society we knowingly and willingly hire illegal immigrants despite it being against the law...so, they break the law by coming here, we break the law by hiring them.

Okay. Nice debating you but my break time is over.

I will check back in later with acknowledgments from everyone that disagrees with me that I'm right and your wrong. ;-)

Posted by BeaHappi on July 10, 2008 at 11:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"A reflection of the U.S.' sense of entitlement that we can use and treat people however we want."

Don't you think that's a little dramatic for someone who professes "this great country of ours?"

We must not be treating people too poorly or else they wouldn't be willing to die to get here. Let's see...come here illegally, get a job, have a baby, free medical, qualify for subsidized housing, not required to learn English in order to survive because we have so many bi-lingual programs and forms, etc., free schools for their kids, etc, etc, etc.

I'm going to go with it's not all that horrible here.

Posted by BeaHappi on July 10, 2008 at 11:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Agreed on the part about those who hire them are breaking the law too.

"If you build it, they will come."...and come in droves I might add!

Posted by BeaHappi on July 10, 2008 at 11:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Nice debating with you too jamaro! :~)

Posted by jamaro099 on July 10, 2008 at 11:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

With all due respect Bea,

This country is great because there are those of us who fight to defend our country and uphold the Consitution even if there are things we don't like.

You can't have it both ways. You are part of a society that accepts the employment of illegal immigrants. There is no THEY(business/politicians/liberals/conservatives, whatever) and US. WE are in it together. WE helped cause all these problems and WE need to share the burden of fixing them.

I believe it is immoral and unconsitutional to accept people to our country for their cheap labor one day, and then turn around and throw them away the next day because we didn't bother to read the fine print. It is not the illegals' fault WE didn't figure out the true cost of their presence beforehand.

FEW people were upset about illegals 8-9 years ago when the economy was booming. What changed?

Okay. i really have to go now. ;-)

Posted by FedUp on July 10, 2008 at noon (Suggest removal)

"FEW people were upset about illegals 8-9 years ago when the economy was booming. What changed?"

Technology changed. People were just as mad about it then, as they are now. The only difference is now, we have the technology to talk about how we feel to a much broader audience. My parents and I both wrote letters to the editor of the star back in like the late 90's. I dont think they were ever printed, but that is a whole other story.

I do think it is time our consitution is looked at, and quite possibly changed.

Posted by BeaHappi on July 10, 2008 at 12:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"WE helped cause all these problems and WE need to share the burden of fixing them."

Agreed...that was my point in the "if you build it they will come."

At least we both seem to agree that there IS a problem.

So what do you suggest?

Posted by Ms_California on July 10, 2008 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh please Fedup and mamaof2.... take your high horses away from me. Your comments are based on racism. Why don't you want to allow people of other countries in here? Your ancestors were from other countries right? And don't give me the terrorism excuse either. We have more violence here with US born people than not. If someone from Mexico, China, Russia or elsewhere came into this country and went about the citizenship process formally and correctly you would still complain. Borders are not going to be closed, get used to it! These people need to come into this country legally and formally. The right way!

Bea, yes if your child is born in another country it would have dual citizenship.

Posted by BeaHappi on July 10, 2008 at 12:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ms_California...

In all countries? I have a friend who married someone from another country and they moved back there...and of course their daughter has dual-citizenship. I never thought of it from the 'I'm just a visitor who had a baby in a foreign country' perspective.

For the record, I have nothing against people from other countries legally immigrating here. This is a great place to live! And I love the diversity of California especially. I don't want my kids growing up to think that our way is the only way...or even the best way.

But illegal immigration is a problem on many levels and I don't know that anyone here would disagree with that.

Posted by Ms_California on July 10, 2008 at 12:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bea,

I know that most are if not all countries. Look at the soldiers that have children in other countries. I have a few of them in my family actually. (military fams living overseas etc.)

I too believe that if you come here you should enter legally and have the same rights in doing so. Do you all recall what is embodied on the Statue of Liberty? "Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free..." there isn't an extension that says... if we say it is ok!

Posted by FedUp on July 10, 2008 at 1 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I guess I missed the extension where it states you need to pay a coyote $2500 to drive you through the barren desert in the back of a u-haul truck, so you can work a minimum wage job too.

I love how you think you know me Ms. California. for your information, my mother is not from the US. She came here on a work visa back in the 60's, when we were in dire need of nurses. She met my father, and then married several years later. she also paid money so she could become a legitimate citizen of our country. she believed in everything the US had to offer, and wanted a say so. this is called assimilating. something that illegal aliens have zero interest in doing.
I am sure you would be more than happy to let the 20 million illegals currently here have amnesty, and forget about the hundreds of thousands of those who are patiently waiting in a line somewhere for the same opportunity????
wake up and smell the problem which is right under your nose.

Posted by mamaof2 on July 10, 2008 at 1:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ms california: where are my comments based on racism? i am usually one of the first to jump on someone if i feel they are being racist, most of the time i never agree with fedup but i did agree with him on u pulling out the racist card. no one was being racist and u started an argument that was un-nescessary.

never have i said i dont want immigrants here.. if they do it the right way i have no problem with no complaints, even if they are here illegaly and are not on welfare or breaking other laws i have no problem.

Posted by Ms_California on July 10, 2008 at 1:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Uh no Fedup.. instead of attacking people for what you think you want to hear.. read what I said. I believe that people should enter into this country legally, the way your mother and past people have. If you want to be in this country then have respect for it. As for the mules that bring these people in here.. well that, is probably alot more than it would actually cost for an illegal immigrant to enter this country illegally. If they are stupid enough to pay it and enter illegally then they have no business being here or becoming American. Like you said your own Mother is an immigrant who took the time and respect to become an American citizen. You don't chastise her, why because she is your mommy? Do you honestly in your heart think that if she and your father would not have met that she 1. would have worked her visa and then returned to her country or 2. gained her citizenship to remain here?

Posted by FedUp on July 10, 2008 at 1:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have the utmost respect for my mom because she did go about the right way. I have no idea what would have happened if she had not met my dad. I try not to waste my time arguing over something that has zero merit.
if you would read my posts, you will clearly see I have NOTHING against immigration per se. it is the ILLEGAL part that I am against.
once again, repeat after me. ILLEGAL. LEGAL. do you see the difference, or do I need to put the Websters definition in here for you????

stop race bating and get a clue!!!

Posted by Ms_California on July 10, 2008 at 1:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Again fedup.. reading what you want to hear. If you read my postings I have nothing against LEGAL immigration. (did I spell that correctly for you Webster?) Wake up yourself! See what is really going on in this world. You can argue til your face turns red, white and blue but the immigration issues will be just that... issues. And based on your posts, arguing over something that has zero merit is all your time is used for. It is obvious you spend time thinking on this issue.

Posted by FedUp on July 10, 2008 at 1:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

where did I disagree with you on Legal immigration? and I do think the immigration debate has tons of merit. I dont want my young daughters education to be screwed up because half of her class does not speak english. I should not pay taxes for public education, just so I have to home school my daughter once the day is over. and since you are doing the exact thing as me right now, it is obviously on your mind as well.

Posted by jamaro099 on July 10, 2008 at 1:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"once again, repeat after me. ILLEGAL. LEGAL. do you see the difference, or do I need to put the Websters definition in here for you????"

Okay, we'll follow your rules: Legal=children born on U.S. soil are American Citizens.

Got it?

Posted by Ms_California on July 10, 2008 at 1:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What if you were made outside of the USA but were lucky enough to be born here Jamaro? Do you have to apply for citizenship still? haha

Posted by FedUp on July 10, 2008 at 1:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Okay, we'll follow your rules: Legal=children born on U.S. soil are American Citizens.

Got it?"

um, yeah, I got it. that does not mean I agree with it. see my above post about my solutions.

but let me ask you this. do you think the one us citizen who gets section 8 housing should be allowed to rent out rooms to 10 illegals in this house? because this is what is happening right here in Oxnard!

Posted by jamaro099 on July 10, 2008 at 1:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bea,

Recognizing that we do agree on certain things I believe is the beginning of finding an equitable solution.

What would I do?

1. Forget the fence, it is a waste of money.
2. If you can prove you've lived here for 7 or more years and are established you can become eligible for alien resident status. You still have to go back home to register but you can come back.
3. Less then 7 or a criminal you gotta go back.
4. Enact FAIR trade policies with other countries; For example, U.S. sugar growers are being protected by tariffs from some Caribean(sp?) countries. This limits those countries' ability to grow.
5. We need to decide how we get our cheap labor. If we find there really are jobs Americans don't want to do, then we create some kind of work-program that is monitored. My dad first came to the U.S. under the bracero program and that thing was horrible. These people are humans; They're gonna get sick and if they have children, they deserve to get educated.
6. Heavily penalized businesses that break immigrationn laws.

I have more ideas and more importantly, the willingness to look for a solution that is fair to all.

Posted by FedUp on July 10, 2008 at 1:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jamaro - aside from number 2, I agree with you. I dont think that anyone who broke any laws should be rewarded at all.
I do think that if there is not a willingness by americans to do certain jobs, then some temp worker program is a good idea. however, I do think that the people collecting welfare need to get off their collective butts to do any kind of work they can physically do.
I know I did not like washing dishes when I was 16 years old, but I also knew my parents were not going to be paying for my car insurance if I wanted to drive. you do what you gotta do to make money. legally!

Posted by jamaro099 on July 10, 2008 at 1:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fed,

No, it is dispicable to rent out Sec 8 housing. Not just because it is an abuse of the system, but it is also abuse of the illegals who pay outrages rents for a spot on the floor.

I think we will agree that solutions on the extreme end of the spectrum will not work. Mass deportations will fail as will mass amnesty.

We need to control the flow of illegal immigrants, we need to deal with the illegal immigrants currently here, we need to resolve our own desire for cheap labor. Above all, we need a solution that is fair, humane and reflects the ideals of this great country (I will now step off my soap box :-P ).

Posted by Relvd98 on July 10, 2008 at 1:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jamaro099...no,please don't step off your soap box just yet, I enjoy reading your arguments/points of view ;)

Posted by jamaro099 on July 10, 2008 at 1:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree about the welfare collectors. One idea is having people on welfare become part of a "daycare" staff that other welfare recipients with kids can get entry-level jobs and not be so burdened with child-care costs. This would make the lower-paying jobs more appealing, and make welfare recipients productive...of course, you do realize we're being a bit presumptous about the character of welfare recipients..

Posted by FedUp on July 10, 2008 at 2 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"we're being a bit presumptous about the character of welfare recipients.."

classic comment. I laughed at that one.

I do want to apologize if any of you felt like I was attacking you in any way. that is definitely not how I meant to come across. I do believe we are all about the same thing. we just have different ways of going about it. :)

Posted by BeaHappi on July 10, 2008 at 2:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jamaro099...I like your solutions and I think that FedUp's concern with #2 is covered by #3, correct?

FedUp - I absolutely agree with your statement about people who collect welfare, having to take whatever job and get off their butts. The problem is they figure out they can make more on welfare and well, there you go.

Perhaps welfare reform might include recipients having to take an available job (if they can't find one themselves) and then have their subsidy make up the difference.

Example:
Recipient gets $2,000 month welfare
Mandated job pays $1,500/month
New subsidy = $500/month

Less welfare is paid, low-paying jobs are getting done, and the recipient might be motivated to move beyond their current situation.

Posted by Equitable_Enforcer on July 10, 2008 at 3:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This has all to do with controlling our borders.

Ventura County Jail:
1,697 prisoners (last count) X 25% (officially estimated illegal alien population percentage in the system) X $115 per day minimum to house them X 365 days per year = $17.8 million that comes out of our pockets. That is not racist ... just facts. I'm talking about criminals.

At a local business where I was recently examining records ... I learned of an employee who worked for one day. He didn't return. He was arrested that night and eventually deported. I saw copies of documents used to support his I9. They were good forgeries. A few months later, he returned to claim his one day's pay. We notified Immigration of his current address. The results of that tip, I don't know.

If the borders are not controlled, the situaition will continue to worsen.

Posted by BeaHappi on July 10, 2008 at 3:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Equitable_Enforcer...thanks for the stats. A couple of questions:

1) Are the illegal criminals deported after they serve their sentence?
2) Do they have to serve their sentence here? I mean, can't one sentencing option be that they are deported immediately?

Posted by FedUp on July 10, 2008 at 3:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"2) Do they have to serve their sentence here? I mean, can't one sentencing option be that they are deported immediately?"

the cruddy thing about this part Bea is, they will only come right back. where is the punishment? typically these criminals are not too worried about losing a job, so their is actually no punishment to fit the crime. seal up the border, deport them after the sentencing, and charge their home country for housing them. :) win, win!!

Posted by BeaHappi on July 10, 2008 at 3:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

FedUp - I hear you buddy!

Posted by ironwoman on July 10, 2008 at 8:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There are about 19,100 US INS Holds in the California Prison System.
The cost per year is roughly about $50,000.00 per inmate in Corrections. When released, they go directly to INS for a hearing before deported, if deported.

If one of these inmates becomes ill, they will be entitled to the best prison healthcare can offer at $600,000.00 per year in a state of the art prison/hospital that the Federal Receiver is planning on constructing statewide (about 7-8).

The Federal Government should build low-end costly prisons near the border for illegal inmates. THe State shouldn't be responsible to house them at our cost.

Illegal is Illegal...not too hard to understand.

Posted by lorigirl91360 on July 10, 2008 at 11:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Come on, you're breaking the law - you are out, end of story. Period.

We can grow our own fruits/veggies, I do! We can wash our own cars, or use the legals that do! Actually people some hispanics are legal! The construction work has dried up for lots of hispanics, only the REALLY Hard working ones are getting work, under the table... so with the economy and gas prices, they're getting shut down FAST.

Maybe the illegals and the pedophiles can get homes together, put it all in check.

Posted by jbh50 on July 12, 2008 at 7:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have the first post and last post, cool. I am sure the illegals didn't really have a chance to post since they actually work (or in prison), while some of you seem not to have jobs and spend the day back'n forth acting like you have all the answers. Yep, you know what I'm talkn about Ms Cali, Bea, Fedup and others...

Go work for a living and then spew your opinions, they would carry more weight.