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More from Other NewsAn eighth-grade boy shot in the head by a classmate today in the first attack of its kind in a Ventura County school was in serious condition but improving as the day drew to a close, authorities said.
The shooting occurred in a computer lab at E. O. Green School at 3739 South C St. in Oxnard shortly after students arrived at school.
About 24 students were in the lab working on projects for their English class when a boy in the class shot and wounded a classmate.
Other students in the class identified the victim as Lawrence King and the shooter as Brandon McInerney. Police would not confirm the names but said both were 15.
News of the attack traveled rapidly as students used their cell phones to call and text message parents and one another. Long before the school notified parents, dozens were standing outside the yellow police tape that cordoned off the school, waiting for information about the shooting and when their children would be released.
The 15-year-old boy, reported to be in serious condition, was taken to St. John's Regional Medical Center in Oxnard and was being treated in its intensive care unit, police said.
Several dozen officers from the Oxnard Police Department responded to the junior high school after receiving a report that a student had been shot.
The suspect ran off campus after the shooting but was apprehended nearby, police said.
Police said it appeared to be an isolated incident between the two students. The students apparently had an ongoing dispute, including an argument Monday, other students said.
The shooting happened during a first-period English class meeting in the school's computer lab. About two dozen students and their teacher had walked to the lab, where one of the eighth-graders then shot a classmate, said Jerry Dannenberg, superintendent of the Hueneme School District.
School officials called 911 and the campus went into lockdown, with students being kept inside their classrooms.
Once they got the OK from police, school officials began allowing parents onto campus one-by-one to pick up their children. Hundreds of parents flocked to the campus, some after getting calls and text messages from their children still inside their classrooms.
City officials and clergy were speaking with parents at the school, both in English and Spanish. They told parents that 25 students--apparent witnesses--were being interviewed by police inside the school but the rest would be released.
Students could only be released, however, to a person listed on an emergency contact information card.
Several parents waiting in line said they were shocked that a shooting had occurred at E. O. Green, which they described as a safe school.
"I think it's one of the most secure schools in Oxnard," said Rosa Piña, 38, whose son is a sixth-grader at the school. A relative had called her this morning, telling her that something had happened at the school.
Piña called her son on his cell phone right away. He let his mother talk to his teacher, who reported that all of the students in his class were OK.
Giovanni Guiterrez, 13, was in his first-period math class when the campus announced the lockdown. He said students sent text messages to friends in other rooms, trying to find out information about what had happened.
Janie Vargas and Jamie Olivares walked off campus late this morning, holding onto their 12-year-old son walking between them. "I just hope the child who got hurt is OK," Janie Vargas said.
District officials reported that classes will resume Wednesday at E.O.
Green, and a crisis team and counselors will be on campus to help students and employees. Because of the shooting, the district canceled a regional spelling bee scheduled to be held this afternoon at Blackstock School.
Educators also asked parents to look out for signs that their children might need help dealing with the shooting, saying they have a list of community agencies that could provide assistance. For more information, contact the E. O. Green school office at 986-8750 or http://eogreen.huensd.k12.ca.us.
Posted by Hueneme_girl29 on February 12, 2008 at 9:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This is insane..........
Posted by RelaxPeople on February 12, 2008 at 9:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
just sleep in you losers!
Posted by fabiola on February 12, 2008 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I hope everyone is okay. My Nephew goes to that school.
Posted by richardg on February 12, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
OH These kids are growing up too quick! Its a shame!
Posted by hoover9000 on February 12, 2008 at 10:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I hear that 1 kid was shot in the head god bless there family.
Posted by smithd_d on February 12, 2008 at 10:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
2 to 1 its gang related 3 to 1 its girl related 4 to 1 its bully related
Posted by RelaxPeople on February 12, 2008 at 10:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ill take the gang odds.
Posted by hotwildflower on February 12, 2008 at 10:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)
great parenting..someone disrespects you, shoot them!
This mentality has to be stopped, it is a poison to our society.
Part of me wants to pack up and get the hell out of here, but then I refuse to let them take over and win!
Posted by theclass on February 12, 2008 at 10:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm thinking Bully...
Posted by readup on February 12, 2008 at 10:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I went to that school many years ago and my son was there last year. Thank God he wasn't there. I refuse to let my son go to Hueneme High because it is just plain bad. I think the police department really needs to get down on these criminals and the community needs to take their neighborhood back by reporting all crimes.
Posted by matey on February 12, 2008 at 10:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
15 years old and in 8th grade? how did that happen, I will take the bully related odds.
Posted by hotwildflower on February 12, 2008 at 10:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
he may be 15 in 8th grade, but at least he is still in school and not a drop out...please be respectful of the victim here, he is not the one to be attacked.
Posted by doglvr13 on February 12, 2008 at 10:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
To happen in our own backyard...it's hard to grasp. How does a child get a hold of a gun? Don't parents care what their child is into/doing? It's just a shame...God Bless the victim and his family.
Posted by matey on February 12, 2008 at 10:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
by asking how that happened it is being disrespectful, and I was attacking him?
go away.......
Posted by EthicalPerson on February 12, 2008 at 10:50 a.m.
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Posted by matey on February 12, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
He/she was the victim not the shooter.
Posted by jay3777 on February 12, 2008 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I live in Oxnard and this city seems to be invested with crimes such as these. Just over the weekend two young teenage boys were walking through Camino Del Sol Park in middle of the day and where approached by 4 teens that pulled out a knife, but lucky the police had a undercover unit by and arrested all 4 teens. Now, this is a great idea by the Oxnard Police by having a under cover unit. If it wasn't for that unit, we might have read about two more victims this past weekend.
Where are parents here? Maybe they work 12-14 hour days, but that does not mean you cannot parent your own children. And where in God's name does a 15 year old get a hand gun nowadays? This is very sad to hear this, imagine the other students that witness this shooting and what they are going threw. The Oxnard police is doing a good job with these under cover units and need to be funded to have more of them. As for me, I just stay home and avoid going out, unless I leave the city.
Posted by ireadthenews on February 12, 2008 at 10:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
My prayers to all families involved. Let's hope they ALL get the help they need.
The victims and suspects involved seem to be getting younger and younger.
Madness!!!!
Posted by juniormafia_ny on February 12, 2008 at 10:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
EthicalPerson, Hotwild flower meant that the 15 y.o. is the victim yet he is still in school and since he is the victim, we should not be attacking him...
Hotwildflower, I really doubt that the parents said 'if someone disrespects you, shoot them,' that is just insane. no matter how bad of a parent one is, no one will ever say to deal with problems by shooting them.
Posted by slkrchck on February 12, 2008 at 11:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
a fifteen year old didn't have a gun, the 15 year old is in the hospital.......read, folks
Posted by hotwildflower on February 12, 2008 at 11:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
yes, the 15 year old is the victim...
I am guessing that the person who did the shooting was probably the product of gang mentality parents, so that is why I mentioned the "disrespect" part of it. They have kids and raise them to view things in the skewed sense of reality as they see things.
If the person who did the shooting wasn't a gang member and had great parents and was just a disturbed child, I apologize for the assumption, but considering the area...I think my assumption is probably right on.
Posted by bitbruja on February 12, 2008 at 11:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
My daughter went to EO Green for Jr. High, and based on her experiences there, I also refuse to allow her to attend Hueneme High. In the late 80's my oldest son attended EO Green, it once was a distinquished school, with the 'classroom of the future'. (He graduated from Hueneme High, class of 93, but those days are gone.)
I feel sad for the administrators at EO Green. They try very hard to keep the school safe for the kids, but are fighting a losing battle. Prayers for all involved, the shooting victim, the administration and teaching staff, and the young students, their school memories will be forever effected by this event.
Posted by high_society on February 12, 2008 at 11:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I hope they hold the parents just as responsible as if they would have pulled the trigger. Someone wasn't taught how to deal with their anger!
Posted by bugmenot on February 12, 2008 at 11:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Joel Lovstedt II, Principal
He was my counselor at HHS. Good guy. Must have a tough time on his hands these days.
Hopefully this kid pulls through.
Posted by santabarbarasand on February 12, 2008 at 11:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You cannot assume that the parents are into gangs! The majority of the gang members who live in my neighborhood have parents that are from Mexico, just ignorant (of our culture and language) and hard working mexican people. Their kids don't have enough supervision, are usually born in the US and they walk all over their parents, have no respect. Yes, parents can help by parenting, but when you work 14 hours a day it is EXTREMELY hard to supervise older kids.
What alarms me is the relative ease that people in Oxnard have regarding obtaining firearms. There are shootings all the time and that is extremely alarming. Gun control is a big problem in Oxnard and youth, who have too little impulse control, have access to guns when they should not. I was reading a study about young kids and teenagers who commit serious crimes and the majority of them would probably NOT have committed the crime were the weapons not so easily accessed. The reason is that teenagers have poor impulse control, even if they are raised in good families, they still lack the ability to think first and act later; they react. If we want to help reduce crimes that involve guns, laws need to be tougher and not just in Oxnard but in the bigger cities like LA, where gun crime is even more prevalent and guns are easier to get and take to smaller cities.
Posted by tiales on February 12, 2008 at 11:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Prayers to the victims family...Hope they make it.
Posted by dhernandez on February 12, 2008 at 11:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
okay lets not bag on the area or schools that is why things turn out the way they do because of the negative coments you are saying!You think because you didn't send your child to Hueneme that they are safer I have news for you it's everywhere Maybe if your families stayed and made a differnce things could be different, We need to help keep the south end of Oxnard/Hueneme safe.
the violence is everywhere this time it hit in our back yard. It just happens this is our crazy society. I live near by all four of my children went to E O Green and have done well and my younges is a student at Hueneme High and doing well. so lets just hope and help out in the area and try to keep things safe and positive!
lets not lose track a child was shot our prayers go out to the family no matter what school or area they live in.
Posted by bugmenot on February 12, 2008 at 11:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Gun control may have worked if there wasn't already millions of guns within America. At this point all gun control does is makes the law abiding citizens disarm. The criminals will always be able to find guns.
Posted by richardg on February 12, 2008 at 11:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
my prayers and condolence's go out to this kid's family. I can only imagine. Im sorry for your loss
Posted by srascon on February 12, 2008 at 11:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
What do you mean "considering the area"? There have been shootings involving young people around the Country, including a high tech university. We should be praying for our young people. There's a bigger picture to this story.
Posted by imbetnonit on February 12, 2008 at 11:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
They just announced that the boy has died. When are we going to take drastic action and put a stop to this BS?
Posted by mantiger808 on February 12, 2008 at 11:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
hotwildflower...if you packed up and ran away, where would you go? Incidents like these happen in every town in America. Just watch the news and see the parents standing outside of Any School USA, hoping that their child is not one of the victims. We need to STOP blaming the parents and look at the big picture! There is a saying, "It takes a whole village to raise a child" Yes, there are bad parents, but most parents struggle to raise and support their families and do the best they can. What are we, as a country willing to do to stop the violence that touches our children every day? Are we willing to go to the street corners, where gangs hang out and challenge them? Are we willing to take to the streets and openly condemn violence and gangs in our neighborhoods? Are we willing to say, "We see you and we will report you!" Are we willing to give of our time to provide alternative activities for our children to keep them from drifting to deviant behavior? Or do we do like jay3777, and just avoid going out?! I, like many others have devoted my life to fighting crime, but I also know that unless the citizens take a stand and say "enough!" then our battle will be endless...just my $.02
Posted by snash on February 12, 2008 at 11:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Don't tell me...let me guess. The victim and the perpetrator were quiet, thoughtful honor students who never hurt a fly, and come from stand-up families with absolutely no history of violence or gang affiliation, right?
Posted by GWAR on February 12, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Oxnard is turning into Richmond.
Posted by rebel123 on February 12, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This kind of thing is happening all over the country. It is not an indictment of Oxnard. Our prayers should be going out to this child and his family.
Posted by BrittanyA on February 12, 2008 at 11:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
hi im brittany and i went to E.O. green junior high last year as a 7th grader moved to Freemont Intermediate be cause of kids that had nothing better to do then pick on me and no im not a nerd . i get along with everybody just had some haters .i had great friends but a few enemies and it never got that far they just wantted to fight witch never solves anything ! i really want to know who that child was because i dont know if that was one of my friends i cryed when i heard the news that the kid had just died at 11:30 somthing .
people hear in Oxnard,Port Huneme, and Ventura ect. need to step up and get gang and violence out of the area even though it has been here for years . and parents also need to talk to there kids even though you parents may think what you tell us goes in one ear and out the other well it doesnt we do listen to some of it butt dont choose to really listen and take the time to care . Parents need to diciplen and not let your children run free because when we get older who know how we will end up . well God bless the family and kid that died and i will pray !
thank you Brittany A.
Posted by WarpKat on February 12, 2008 at 11:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"Several parents waiting in line said they were shocked that a shooting had happened at E. O. Green, which they described as a safe school."
Why are they shocked? Look at the element that has moved in and virtually taken over the area: Mexican immigrants are causing the crime statistic to go up and the ones that do make it here have children with no morals, ethics and seemingly have no boundaries of behavior attached to them, not to mention any element of cleanliness.
Whatever happened to common decency? It's pretty much gone to wherever decent people have gone to because it definitely isn't here - I challenge anybody to show different.
And before anybody goes off on this: I AM Hispanic, but I'm not proud of it because of all of this stupid immature crap that goes on. Get a grip, people - because our current civic reps apparently aren't doing anything else except keeping their own areas green and clean.
Posted by hotwildflower on February 12, 2008 at 11:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by srascon on February 12, 2008 at 11:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
What do you mean "considering the area"? I mean, considering the area, I am guessing the shooter was gang related. Not that all shooters are gang members and not that all gang members are shooters. That also does not mean everyone in that area is a gang member, but there is a significant population of them there.
I do blame the parents because I have two of my own, I have a child in 8th grade and I can assure you, I know where he is at all times and I have talked to him about guns, violence, sex, drugs and every thing else. I am not saying he is perfect and will never make a mistake, but we are off to a good start with him not going out and shooting anyone.
If you aren't able to care for your children, raise them properly and take the time to teach them right from wrong...Don't have them!!!!
Posted by d15b on February 12, 2008 at 11:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
From what i have been told, the victim today, had been bullying the (shooter) all year long. For whatever reasons the bullying took place, killing isnt the answer. Its a shame we as parents can't read our children better, or just sense something is going on with our childs lives. And then when we do find out, its really to late.
Yeah, shootings happen everywhere. But when its in your own backyard, it hits home. I lived in Hueneme, went to school at E.O Green, in fact a family member works there now.
Lucky I moved away before I could expose my children to this plague that covers ventura county. I really love the area that I was born and raised in VC, but times have changed I guess. So sad.
Posted by JeannetteMedrano on February 12, 2008 at 11:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Abc news reported the young man passed away.
Posted by quotes on February 12, 2008 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
JUST HEARD ON THE NEWS THAT THIS POOR CHILD HAS PASSED AWAY.
Posted by d15b on February 12, 2008 at 12:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Its a shame that he passed away. But we need to look at both cases here. Im sure the victim wasnt as inocent as he seems now. he must have really triggered something horrendous, or torremented the shooter bad enough for him to carry-out this terrible, terrible act.
prayers go out to both families. They are the real victims here
Posted by sailormom on February 12, 2008 at 12:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
We all make choices in life that isn't necessarily a result of how our parents raised us. Each and every one of us was given "free will". Not all violent children are the result of bad parenting! There are a lot of assumptions being made here and it seems the focus isn't where it should be. A 15 YEAR OLD LOST HIS LIFE TODAY!! Odds are his Mom said goodbye to him as he went out the door, or even as she dropped him off at school never dreaming that it would be the last time. Did she remember to say "I Love You" or were they too rushed. None of us really know the answers. Please take a moment to focus on that and maybe just for a while stop the mud slinging and say a little prayer for the families involved and the students at the school who have to relive this in their minds for a long time.
Posted by WarpKat on February 12, 2008 at 12:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
KCAL is reporting that the child is still alive at St. John's.
Posted by triciarm34 on February 12, 2008 at 12:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This is horrible!!! I heard that the poor boy died and then on another channel that he is out of surgery and in critical condition expected to live!!! WHICH IS IT?? And does anyone know who the suspect or the victim's names? My son has a friend who goes to EO Green and we can't find out anything.
Posted by srascon on February 12, 2008 at 12:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Having worked at a Jr.High school in Oxnard, the track that had the best behaved students, BY FAR, was the track with ALL immigrants from Mexico. This fact was discussed often between co workers because the behavioral differences were so extreme compared to the other 3 tracks that consisted of U.S born students. The immigrant children were so well behaved, and respectful, to all staff members and students, they won over my respect. Please do not turn this into racial issues! Pray for All children. That is what they are, children
Posted by angel07 on February 12, 2008 at 12:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Im sorry to say the young boy did die. Kcal 9 is not up to date.
Posted by triciarm34 on February 12, 2008 at 12:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OH MY GOD....The Star has updated this article to say that he IS alive and some news stations have reported he has died...I can't believe they would report something like that if they are not 100% positive...I hope the Star is CORRECT!!
Posted by bmclean , Moderator, on February 12, 2008 at 12:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Please note -- we just added to the story that although some news outlets are reporting the boy has died, police and school officials say he is still alive. And KABC and CNN have both backed off their reports of the boy having died.
Bruce McLean
Posted by srascon on February 12, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
hotwildflower do you live in the area in question? Is this how you know it is gang infested? Did you see the parents picking up their children from E.O.Green? Did they look like parents who would raise gang members? If life has taught me anything at all, it is never to judge, especially if you have children. By the way, I graduated from E.O.Green many years ago, and lived in that school district for over 20 years. Me and my children (who also went to Hueneme School District schools)are all productive citizens in this community. And I still live in Oxnard, for over 30 years now.
Posted by pollita on February 12, 2008 at 12:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
i'm saddened by the news of today. i worked at e.o. green many years ago. it is a fine school.
i also agree with srascon about the behavior of immigrant students. i've taught eld in various schools in the oxnard/pt. hueneme area and have always found the mexican-born students to be the best behaved and most willing to learn. it's a joy to teach them.
as for warpkat, that person's logic is very warped! how can you make a blanket statement that mexican immigrants have no morals or ethics? that's a ridiculous statement. the lack of morals or ethics is not ethnic/national specific. have you internalized the racism you grew up with so much that you believe these lies people told you about yourself? and to believe that mexican immigrants are the cause for the rise in crime? frankly, i cannot believe that you would even have the audacity to spout such ignorant, hateful views. what a shame.
Posted by jmcgaw3046 on February 12, 2008 at 12:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
GUNS, GUNS, when are we going to wake up and get these gun, all guns off the street. A shooting in Oxnard, one in New Orleans, and all over the place. Until we wake up and get guns off the street we will continue to have the shooting. The NRA says we have a right to carry guns, NO WAY. that is not what the constutition says. It does not say we have a right to carry a hand gun. It says that the right to have a gun as a member of a well orginized Milita is a right. We sure keep looking bad to the rest of the world with all of the guns.
Time for some of our leaders to show some guts and get rid of all these guns. No way an 18 year old should ever be able to own a gun.
STOP all the killings and get the guns off the streets.
Posted by bugmenot on February 12, 2008 at 12:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
If you outlaw guns then only an outlaw will have guns.
A "war on guns" will be as successful as the "war on drugs". You're fighting the war from the wrong end.
Posted by yani_chingas on February 12, 2008 at 12:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
jmcgaw3046, it may do yourself a service to educate yourself on the amount of gun laws 'on the books', and to ascertain by whatever means the numbers of guns out there. To put it simple you'd have an easier time de-watering Earth's oceans with a 5 gallon bucket. Sad state we are in but it is definitely not the way warpkat portrays it to be. Myopia at its best.
Posted by theshineofcrystals on February 12, 2008 at 12:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Why are people saying that they would not let their children go to Hueneme High school? I went to both E.O. Green and Hueneme High school and I think that both have a great enviroment for students and a caring staff. It's not the schools' fault that things like this happen.
How bout this for a fact: when I was at Hueneme, we hardly had any fights, while Oxnard High had fights almost every two weeks? CIseems to have has those "popular" groups that think they're better than everyone. Yet, all of these schools nuture us and try to do the best for us. The schools aren't perfect, but they're not run up with gang members an crazy students, the way some people are percieving them to be.
Why don't you go talk to you kids and tell them to get better friends? That's the real problem, they probably hang out with stupid people that pressure them into idiotic actions. My experiences at both of these schools were great cuz I hung out with good hearted kids, not stuck up know it alls that are easily influenced by "cliques" that television portrays.
I'm praying for the best for the victim(s) and the families involved... Hopefully the shooter is punished, but also taken care of.
Posted by julie_mae on February 12, 2008 at 1:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yes, 15 yr's old is technically a "child"...I have had a few run-in's with these so called "children"...been cursed out and had a group of them stand in front of my car so I could not pass..these "children" have no fear or respect for adults, I was personally afraid for my safety and the safety of my kids who have to go to school with them. Parents need to wake up and smell the coffee, if you have to work 14 hrs a day to pay the bills why are you having all these kids? Why are there so many girls under 20 with 2 and 3 kids? (I know several), they think its a normal way to live having kids with one guy then breaking up and getting with another. These kids need parents and guidance but once they start strapping on a gun all sympathy goes out the window.
Posted by cslaurie on February 12, 2008 at 1:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Jmcgaw:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Please note the comma after State. It might help if you substituted pause for comma.
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State PAUSE the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Posted by keem_s on February 12, 2008 at 1:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I just knew some knee-jerk reactionary would show up saying ban all the guns. Would you be saying ban all the knives if it was a stabbing or ban all the cars if a car was used? The weapon used is not the issue, the desire to do this is the issue.
Do we as a society value life so little that we will destroy it for as little as a nasty look, a harsh word, a GF/BF that rejects you, having a different skin color, etc, etc?
Posted by evilmind on February 12, 2008 at 1:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The biggest faults here lie with poor parenting skills and the failure of our school system in allowing the bully/victim dynamic to escalate to the point where a child feels his only course of action is violence, as well as a culture that immunizes its citizens to brutality by repeated exposure through television, movies and video games.
I don’t think that gun control in the city of Oxnard has much to do with the crime rate. Statistics show that the majority of guns used in crimes are obtained illegally and the preponderance of individuals involved in school shootings take weapons from family members who have not properly secured their guns, as in the school shootings in Jonesboro, Arkansas, Paducah, Kentucky and Red Lion, Pennsylvania.
Posted by hotwildflower on February 12, 2008 at 1:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
srascon: No, I do not live in the area, although I did. I spent many years in Oxnard attending Ramona elementry as well as Haycox, which probably attributes to my distaste for the area. I lived there and was bullied, yet I didn't respond with violence, I was fortunate enough to move out.
However, as I mentioned above, not everyone in Oxnard is a gang member...I already conceded that fact. Not every gang member shoots and not every shooter is a gang member, I figured that pretty much covered it all. Regardless of this shooters ethnicity, he was wrong and reacted in the worst possible way and we have a tradegy.
I am sorry, I made a generalization which obviously offended you, but the facts are...there is a large number of gang members in that area and Oxnard as a whole. It's just a shame. There was a time when Oxnard was nice.
Posted by pfg93003 on February 12, 2008 at 1:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
well, that's Oxnard, where the sewer meets the sea.
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Posted by justmeinsp on February 12, 2008 at 1:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
this is a sad thing, and upsetting in the fact that our society has digressed (sp?) to this. There a lot of factors that can make someone think that shooting someone is the 'answer'. For a teen to do it, I can't help but think that the video games that are out don't desensitize them to shooting/killing. When I was a kid, back before video games and even color tv, we played cops and robbers with cap guns; the cartoon characters always shot each other with shotguns or chased the mean character with a knife, and we thought nothing about it. But I don't remember kids killing kids with guns/knives in my childhood/teenhood, because it was cartoon characters doing it, and we all knew cartoons weren't real.
I think we as a society are also victims in this shooting today, and I feel sorry for us all.
Peace and hugs to all who need it...
Posted by ThePredator008 on February 12, 2008 at 1:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The kid obviously did not wake up this morning and say "hmm i think i will kill a kid at school today". Somthing or sombody pushed this kid into pulling the trigger and i don't think its gang related.
Posted by dhernandez on February 12, 2008 at 1:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Pfg93003
I guess where you are from it's so much better?
so perfect no violence no gangs just a good wholsome city Please Give me a break there isnt'to much of that anymore!
to make a coment like that is so ignorant and it is people like you that feed the violence.
to even make a statement when parents and children are feeling so frightend right now you are a real big person! or should I say shallow!
Posted by hotwildflower on February 12, 2008 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree with you 100% Oxnard resident.
Posted by cheerchick805 on February 12, 2008 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I hate how people think oh my kid went here its better or what not. I went to Hueneme High, graduated in 04 and it is not a bad school. So to all the people who think it is, take a look at the other schools. Pacifica is full of colonia kids and its not that great of a school. Unless you attended that school, you should not judge it. Because parents don't control their kids, accidents like these happen. Dont put blame on the schools, blame the kids and their parenting. This could have been prevented easily
Posted by srascon on February 12, 2008 at 1:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
hotwildflower you did not offend me. Usually people who have bad experiences in life choose to get away from them. In your case you chose to move. I'm curious, who do you consider gang members? The way they dress, act, who they hang out with? Just the other day a group of 4 or 5 boys were hanging out by a restraunt that me and my daughter went to. She waited for me outside, one of the boys stroke up a conversation with her. I warned her she should be careful because the boys were dressed like "cholos". She looked at me strangely and said, no, they were just ordinary guys. Well, that reminded me of the old saying, dont judge a book by its cover. Not only that, kids dont dress the way they did when I was in school.
Posted by richardg on February 12, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
i remember when I was going to EO Green I would here things like "Ours kids are the future!"... Im starting think about what the future is gonna be like for my kids. Dang!!!
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Posted by chair on February 12, 2008 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
KABC reports the student has died (c. 1:50 p.m.)
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Posted by hotwildflower on February 12, 2008 at 2:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
srascon, I don't judge them as a whole, I grew up in the area and while some may appear to be in a gang, I know some of them are great people. Unfortunately, if you look a certain way, regardless of who you are on the inside, you will be treated as you appear...it is just how society works.
Honestly, the issue at hand is that a child was shot, regardless of what lead up to it...we had a horrible event happen right here.
Parents need to be held accountable, plain and simple.
Posted by richardg on February 12, 2008 at 2:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
im hearing rumors about what happend... I dont know what to think!
Posted by melody.mendez on February 12, 2008 at 2:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
once the truth comes out about the victim, who in fact was a victim, you will all be eating your words.
my heart and prays goes out to the family of the lil boy who's life was cut short by a young man who was closed minded.....
God's child, you are now in a place where you can be the person you wanted to be and you will forever be in god's arms. Be at peace young angel.
Posted by lali_pop03 on February 12, 2008 at 2:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
predator008 you should watch what you say.
Posted by st_barbie on February 12, 2008 at 2:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Kcal 9 is reporting from St. Johns, they say he is in critical condition, not dead.
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Posted by angel07 on February 12, 2008 at 2:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
To predator008.Im failing to understand why being held back in grade school is reason to be shot? How is this for the best?
Posted by st_barbie on February 12, 2008 at 2:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
http://kvta.com/
Posted by TINA on February 12, 2008 at 2:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
IM SO SORRY FOR THE LOOS OF A CHILD. THIS IS SO SAD.
Posted by ThePredator008 on February 12, 2008 at 2:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
No i'm not saying el rio is the next Perfect town. But when has a student been shot at Rio Del Valle ? Or Rio Mesa?
Posted by richardg on February 12, 2008 at 2:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OxnardResident, i just read ur comment, and you have a GREAT POINT!!! Ppl need to listen to you... Kids need a Mother, and a Father... Its so sad to know that ppl are having kids and dont really care to the extent that they should. I had a kid when I was 20 yrs old, and I followed thru as well. It does get tuff. I ended up having 2 more kids, but I man'd up, and I am taking care of my kids. I will make sure I do homework with my daughter. I will make sure I spend the quality time that my kids need. I will make sure that we as a family will interact as a family. We should all love each other like bro's and sister's. Love thy neighbor. Alot has to do with parents, but in some cases, things just happen...
this is such a sad, sad story.
Posted by st_barbie on February 12, 2008 at 2:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
HE DID NOT DIE!
Posted by laurathepimpmama on February 12, 2008 at 2:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I went to Rio Mesa.. so dont talk to me about violence in Schools.. if there was never a shooting, there were near miss ones .. so stop degrading and talking bad about the good citizens of this town. Notice how you didnt deny being a gang member from El Rio...
Posted by imanriquez on February 12, 2008 at 2:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Instead of arguing with each other about racism and locations we should be praying for the child and the family. Let me ask all of you a question if that 15 year old would of been your child would you like to read all this BS?
Posted by ThePredator008 on February 12, 2008 at 2:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Its not that parents are not spending enough time with there kids. Because its not like oxnard is full of high paying jobs so most parents have to work longer hours to support these kids. And there needs to be more things for kids to do like sports. the colonia gym has a great boxing program and there is sports all across the city. Its up to the city to find somthing that will make these kids interested in these sports. And possibly make them more affordable.
Posted by hotwildflower on February 12, 2008 at 2:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
On the kvta site, it says the shooting was not gang related, I was wrong...I apologize.
Posted by laurathepimpmama on February 12, 2008 at 2:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree with imanriquez , we should pray for our children.. may God help us all...
Posted by slkrchck on February 12, 2008 at 2:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
i've been to some shady neighborhoods in oxnard and ventura. i work in gang territory. ventura fire responds to calls in many seedy places, but when called to el rio, they must have police escort. it doesn't make el rio tough, it makes them........well, the point is, it can happen anywhere.
Posted by julie_mae on February 12, 2008 at 2:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OxnardResident you said so eloquently all the things I wish I could!! You are 100% on the money!
Posted by evilmind on February 12, 2008 at 2:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
oxnardresident - you are absolutely right on the parenting issue. All parents and concerned citizens should check out the work by Lt. Col Dave Grossman at http://www.killology.com/article_trai...
The fact that this shooting occurred in “Oxnard” as opposed to any other city in the county has no relevance. The reality is that this type of violence can happened in any community, regardless of race or affluence. The population of Columbine is 94% Caucasian and has a median income that is $20K more per year than Ventura and Santee, California (where there was a school shooting in 2001 that resulted in two dead and thirteen wounded) has a median income $25K higher than Ventura.
Posted by ThePredator008 on February 12, 2008 at 2:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
No laura i'm not a gang member. But i'm not an honor student either. I got in fights with people at schools but never thought about killing them. Half the people i faught with i am friends with now. We faught and got over it now we play football and basketball on the weekends. Its that easy.
Posted by Face on February 12, 2008 at 2:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This kid woke up, brought a gun to school for the purpose of committing murder. The system let him bring the gun onto campus in order to attempt to commit murder. The School should be sued for improper security in allowing an armed student to be on their campus. Allowing children to dress up like their favorite criminal is not in society's best interest. School uniforms should be mandatory, metal detectors should be mandatory, removal of students with gang affiliations and mutilations should be mandatory. You must have Zero Tolerance, gang members should be subject to being pressed into service like the Alaskan Youth Authority. Their families have failed, their peers have failed, and they themselves have failed. They need to learn social skills and be off the street, into a service where they can learn how to make an honest dollar and respect their peers and teammates. Once these wayward kids have been pressed, their families should be forced to pay out of pocket a portion of their income.. MANDATORY in order to help defray the costs of their wayward child. Also these non-parents, they should be forced to be sterilized or face prison.
Posted by Hueneme_girl29 on February 12, 2008 at 2:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I THINK MY SCREEN NAME SAYS IT ALL..........
Posted by narc121 on February 12, 2008 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
ThePredator008, how you can you justify El Rio High School having no shootings when somebody was just killed in El Rio a few days ago? Even though it wasn't at a school, it was still a homicide nonetheless. I'm so sick of everybody saying this could have happened anywhere and how Oxnard shouldn't be singled out. It's not like this is the ONLY incident that has ever happened in Oxnard. It's just ONE of MANY stupid and senseless acts of violence that seem to only be occuring in Oxnard. Yes, there is crime in other areas, but not to the extent of Oxnard. Something needs to be done! And for those who say Oxnard is bigger therefore this is more crime, that is the wrong attitude. When you look at crime rates which allow you to compare apples to apples, Oxnard always has a higher crime rate than it's neighboring cities in Ventura County AND Los Angeles. It only seems to be getting worse!...In the meantime families will continue to lose family members to morons who act out with guns and knives. May God Bless the victim in this case!
Posted by dubelgeez on February 12, 2008 at 2:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
teens today have such a different mentality that teens ten years ago had. I don't blame the parents I blame the examples that our generation has set for our youth. My prayers are with the parents and family of the victim.
Posted by yotonto on February 12, 2008 at 2:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Go to www.oxnardpd.org and watch David Keith's report on Straight To You.
Posted by ThePredator008 on February 12, 2008 at 2:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yes Narc sombody did just get killed here in el Rio and the man was just sitting infront of his houes reading the news paper when a car pulled up and shot him i live a few houses down and i was outside also and this was not an inter-town incedent these people came from another town and shot this man. Again probly from Colonia considering they had a cowboy star on the back window. those people have no respect for anybody male or female.
Posted by slkrchck on February 12, 2008 at 3:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
i have set a fine example for my daughter. and yet she still has rage for the person that stalks her, and terrorizes her. she told this low life no when he was interested. he's a neighbor. when he raped her, she told no one. he has threatened her and has taken shots at my home. of course i have no proof. i hope she can control herself and if she cannot, i hope i don't get blamed. she wasn't raised with that retaliatory mentality. it's not always bad parents that have these unsuitable children. i made the mistake of not leaving my family home to get away from a scum like this. and i'm not saying it's the area, or that it can't happen anywhere. i'm just saying, some children have a finer upbringing and still want to shoot people.
Posted by MrReality on February 12, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I commend you OxnardResident. Very well said. It's nice to know at least one person on this site has a brain. The rest of you rushing to judgement without any facts or hard evidence of the reason behind this shooting, shut up. You are a big reason why society is the way it is today. There's too much speculation on motive right now. Let the police do their job and in the end the truth will be revealed. Let's not lose sight of what is most important right now, the child that has been shot.
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Posted by Face99 on February 12, 2008 at 2:41 p.m.
"Allowing children to dress up like their favorite criminal is not in society's best interest. School uniforms should be mandatory...."
I am not 100% sure that it is still the case, but E.O. Green was one of the first schools in the area to have a mandatory dress code. They started wearing uniforms about a decade ago.
Posted by srascon on February 12, 2008 at 3:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hotwildflower: Unfortunately, because these are kids, they dress the way their peers dress, they dont care how society thinks of them, peer pressure is very strong. We should remember how it was when we were that age so that we can do what we can to help these kids. Smile at them, encourage them, maybe even show them a better way. You dont have to be their parent to do these things, just a human being. Since we are adults, lets pray for these kids, we dont know what they are going through, even in their own homes. The majority grow up to be people just like us, it's the minority that do something horrible like shoot someone. Maybe the parents saw a sign, maybe they didn't.
Posted by jay3777 on February 12, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow ThePredator008 you are on a roll with your BS. Sound like you are still in High School, or may be even a drop out because you spelled the word 'fought' as faught. Good try!!! El Rio has it's problems, Oxnard has it's problems, even the safest city in America Simi Valley has had some recent murders. Let me educate you on a couple of facts here, crime and shootings are everywhere. Nobody deserves to die or at least be shot. If shooting was the answer, then we would land full of grave sites. So have the freedom to play your basketball and football on the weekends. Just becareful not to piss anyone off on the court or they might just shoot you, then we will be writing blogs about you.
Posted by surfing93035 on February 12, 2008 at 3:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I am sure the kid was just showing the gun to a friend and it accidentally went off. Why are we so quick to blame gangs. Gangs are a way for the youth of America to feel like they belong to a real family. I'll bet the shooter will say he didn't know the gun was loaded. He was intoxicated, he was disrespected, he felt bullied or threatened. I can't wait for the bleeding hearts to come out of the woodwork like the c---roaches you are. If the child dies, the shooter should be executed on PPV TV. The proceeds can go to the victims family. Maybe he can be rehabilitated because he is under 17.
Posted by awwdree on February 12, 2008 at 3:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Regardless of where you live, this can happen anywhere. There is no need to put down the School, or the parents, or even the city of Oxnard. I live in Oxnard, and I have my whole life,and I plan on staying here. Something like this will not scare me away. Like i mentioned before, it can happen in Oxnard, or it can happen in Thousand Oaks. There is no differance. I do hope that some how we can stop all of this violence, but the truth is we cant control what society does, all we can do is protect our loved ones the best we can and hope for the best. I hope the child recovers ok, and the teacher that was there, and also the students that witnessed the shooting, because I know kids do not want to be going to school to see that. The family is in my prayers. i love the city of Oxnard!
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Posted by bitbruja on February 12, 2008 at 3:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
School uniforms are not the answer.
EO Green has school uniforms. And the teachers have to spend alot of time and energy enforcing the uniform policy. The kids find ways of identifying with their cliques, for example, color of shoelaces. Then it was socks. The uniform policy is constantly being changed, updated, and amended to address and correct all the various ways the students find of expressing themselves.
EO Green felt like a prison for my daughter, with the strict uniform discipline. She felt she was being punished for just being a teen in Oxnard. It was not an easy situation. Uniforms are NOT a panacea. It got to be really silly, and a waste of time and energy. Rules for the sake of rules. Obviously, school uniforms didn't stop this shooter.
Maybe if the administration didn't pressure the teachers to constantly be enforcing the uniform policy, they would have noticed something was bothering the student that boiled over and shot another child. Or maybe they might have noticed the gun?
Posted by dubelgeez on February 12, 2008 at 3:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow! Can you say ignorant? Surfing93035 ..... I don't know what to tell you
Posted by butterflies on February 12, 2008 at 3:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
First and fore most we need to pray for both the families. I have lived here for 6 years and it seems that everyone is just so angry. I think as a community we should all pull together and make our city a nice one. We should be there for one another and work together on all these issues and there are many. We as parents of all ages need to to be supportive of our children by being a part of what they are doing and how we all talk to each other. We are the examples and for some reason we get to busy and make our children last. Yes we need to work and pay bills but we need to be families again also. That is so important. I talked to a young boy who was failing at Hueneme high school and I talked a bit to him and he seemed very hard and tough. Well it turned out that he felt his parents did not care because they were to in to themselves and did not make sure if he went to school or gave him praise when he did good. I made a promise to him and I told him you bring up your grades and graduate I will bring you home made cookies every week. And let me say he did and is very successful now. He thanked me and asked why do you care I am not your son. I told him I do care I have kids your age and I want all of our children to do right by themselves. A little bit of caring and honesty and just showing someone that they mean something can make a big difference in so many. This incident should of never happened but what was that child's home life like? Thats the question where and who are the parents and what is going on in the home for that poor child to do such a cold hearted act to someone else?? We need to keep all our prayers going for both families!
Posted by dy on February 12, 2008 at 3:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
According to some of the students at the school the victim was gay and the shooter was his crush.
Posted by LovingParent on February 12, 2008 at 3:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thank you, OxnardResident. I could not have said it any better and I completely agree with your views. And this situation is not the first time that this has happened. Victims have been of every race, not just Mexicans, not just gang members, not just poor people. This situation is truly sad for everyone involved. We have to remember that there are so many children who are going to be affected by this. We also need to remember that there are two kids today that will be affected for the rest of their lives. Their parents and family will be affected for the rest of their lives. We need to say a prayer for all of them. My heart is broken because this is my community, too.
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Posted by LovingParent on February 12, 2008 at 3:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thank you butterflies... by one person setting a positive example, this can create a snowball effect. I hope more people read your posting and take action. Remember, no matter how small you may think it is, it can have a huge and long lasting effect. Thank you.
Posted by dom_kenpo on February 12, 2008 at 3:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Case and point - classrooms and schools need metal detectors, and a zero-tolerance policy which also holds parents criminally culpable.
Sad commentary, but the world is a different place than it was when I went to school and the biggest fear we had was sabre-tooth tiger attacks.
Posted by FedUp on February 12, 2008 at 3:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
that is a nice story butterflies. but keep in mind, you have only lived here for 6 years. many of us have lived in this area our whole life, and are sick and tired of the senseless violence.
because it is ventura county, everyones first thought would be a gang issue.
I dont know exactly what happened here, but it is a terrible tragedy. regardless if this was because of bad parenting, or some kid who snapped.
"saber tooth cat attacks"!! haha. thanks for trying to lighten the mood in here.
Posted by dom_kenpo on February 12, 2008 at 3:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It's true! We also had to walk uphill, both ways, in the middle of the ice age. I'd show you pictures, but the camera had not been invented yet....I can, however, show you my stone tablet diploma.
Posted by mmushrooms on February 12, 2008 at 3:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I am a STUDENT at this school, and was/am FRIENDS with the boy who was shot.....I knew him very well, and whatever happened/is happening is a crime and a tragedy....I am praying my 13 year old heart out for the boy....
love to all
Posted by 2KooL4U on February 12, 2008 at 3:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Dy, I was told the same thing, but did not want to cause another argument among the posters. Regardless, this was still a senseless crime and a real tragedy for ALL involved.
Posted by rcamacho on February 12, 2008 at 4:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
" Im sure the victim wasnt as inocent as he seems now. "
You are an idiot, D15b. My nephew was shot as a rookie cop in Oxnard years ago, and he was innocent. Luckily for him , he fired back and killed the s--b.
I had a gun pulled on me when I lived in Venice, and I didnt even know the person. Luckily their gun jammed and I had the upper hand.
Posted by bitbruja on February 12, 2008 at 4:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Dy, are you saying that the victim was homosexually harrasing the shooter? I know this happens in school. It can be very difficult to deal with, and politically incorrect to complain. The child that resists advances from a gay student is called 'homophobe'.
Posted by pollita on February 12, 2008 at 4:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Pfg93003
how lame. you stole that line from johnny carson.
if you don't have anything constructive to add to the discussion, why bother posting at all?
Posted by mmushrooms on February 12, 2008 at 4:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
it is true, the shootee was bisexual...he may have had a crush on the shooter, but to SHOOT someone for that??? that is wrong, sick and wrong....the world may be a bit narrow-minded, but J.C., this needs to STOP.
Posted by venturapagan on February 12, 2008 at 4:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This is a sad story and it does make one question parenting, but blaming an illegally obtained gun and wanting more laws makes no sense. Only law abiding citizens are buying and registering them legally, so new laws are only affecting them. Criminals, well most anyway, aren't stupid enough to go to a gun shop and let them do a background check. Also, Japan's homicide rate is almost as high as the US, and there is NO legal gun ownership there. The sad fact is, violence is part of human nature, and people will still keep killing other ppl, as they have for millenia. I don't get it either, no, it's not right, and it's getting worse. I'm female/LifeNRA, and I reserve the right to defend myself, because the cops can't be everywhere. I never want to have to exercise that right.
Posted by 41646 on February 12, 2008 at 4:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
shooter was NOT a minority
Posted by dy on February 12, 2008 at 4:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I did not say the victim was homosexually harrasing the shooter, some students said that he liked the shooter. They said that the victim didn't do anything to him at all.
Posted by ReadMyLipsNoNewTaxes on February 12, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ummmm, rcamancho why was your nephew carring a gun?
Posted by mmushrooms on February 12, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
PEOPLE kill people...not guns...people with GUNS and AMMO kill people....yes, the shootee may have liked the shooter, but what does it matter? the victim was hurt out of spite and ignorance...he should have simply confronted him, saying,"please, leave me alone."
using GUNS to settle an argument is NOT right, but it is human nature...
Posted by god_thunder on February 12, 2008 at 4:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The fact is, there is no such thing as "Mayberry" any more. This kind of thing can happen anywhere at anytime for just about any reason. It's a sad thing that it happened no matter what the reason and no matter where it happened. Two families have possibly lost a child today.
Posted by FedUp on February 12, 2008 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
readmylips - you need to read his entire post.
"My nephew was shot as a rookie cop in Oxnard years ago"
I am pretty sure cops were allowed to carry guns back then as well.
Posted by d15b on February 12, 2008 at 4:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
rcamacho- Do you know the story behind it? My mother works at the school along with other kids I know. This guy was a bully. I was just saying that its so easy to take the side of the victim. By all means do I agree with the shooter, he must pay for his crime.
Thanks for pointing out your nephew. My uncle was murdered 1 block away from his house in Oxnard. By a gang member. In front of his girlfriend at that.
dude you make no sense to what I was talking about. Im pretty sure your nephew was innocent, and doing is job like he was told to do. But you got idiots like the person who shot your nephew, that have no respect for the law.
we are talking about 2 different situations.
Posted by spokenit on February 12, 2008 at 4:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
People say that it can happen any where, and that is correct. But it is the same kinds of people that do it, NOW thats the problem. We know it, you know it, but nothing is really done about it. Where do you begin? Its like mold infesting our lives it crawls and creeps over the edges of the cheese and keeps on coming. Stop the people Stop the crime. My god do something with the child that did the shooting and my god help the child that was shot. Watch out for the retaliation.
Posted by d15b on February 12, 2008 at 4:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I meant to say, I DO NOT agree with what the shooter did. He must be punished.
Posted by mmushrooms on February 12, 2008 at 4:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It is all true....but how can you stop a child when you cannot understand the situation...most of these shooters are solitary in their plans, and only tell a staunch few; not everything can be stopped, and unfortunately, today, it did not.
Posted by buttpirate on February 12, 2008 at 4:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
READ ME!!! I know both kids. I graduated last year. I used to hang out with the shooter (Brandon McInerny) all the time. He used to kick our a**es in wrestling all the time. He'd always get into problems and fights 24/7. I'm not surprised that he would do something like that but WHY BRING A GUN??!!!! This guy is big. He can beat up anyone in the school. Beat the kid up but dont kill him! I also was aquaintences with the shootee (Lawrence King) I heard the kid was homosexual. My friends always use to tease him about that last year. But i wasnt an ass to him. The kid is quiet and calm. I dont see why to kill him. THat school is gonna suck now!!!!!
Posted by spokenit on February 12, 2008 at 4:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Oops May god, May god,,, Before anyone tries to slam me on that
Posted by mmushrooms on February 12, 2008 at 4:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
the boy is a bisexual transgender....why hurt someone for that? keep your hate to yourself...talk to a friend, a parent, a counselor.....OBVIOUSLY, some people do not use resources and connections well...at all.
Posted by d15b on February 12, 2008 at 4:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Im just sorry for what both parents and the children that witnessed this event will have to live with.
Ppl can get heated over this situation just as easy as I can. And its so easy to blame something or somebody. but in reality, we all have a choice of how we want to live and act.
Posted by LoveIs on February 12, 2008 at 4:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I have read most of the above comments and many of them are based on ignorance and ignorance breeds hate and hate leads to acts such as this one. Educate yourselves and the youth in your lives.
My family has been calling Oxnard home for about 100yrs now and because of that news travels quickly between all of us....
The indivdual who shot the child is from Silver Strand. What his race is? That's irrelevant.
Some of the children have been saying that the child was shot due to his sexual orientation. Again, this so far is not a fact just what is being said by the children.
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Posted by lakerboy805 on February 12, 2008 at 5:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
My nephew sat next to the victim and seen what happened, according to him and other students it was a problem over the victims sexuality and telling the shooter that he loved him...
Posted by Parentof2 on February 12, 2008 at 5:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
buttpirate should you really be posting the names of the children involved, if those are the true names? Have a little respect for the familys involved. Even if you do know more about the situation then most of us. I'm sure the parents of the children involved don't want you posting the names online for all of Ventura County to read.
Posted by LoveIs on February 12, 2008 at 5:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
To buttpirate...I'm sorry that you felt personally attacked by my comment...but if you will take notice we were actually typing at about the same time ( my submission was delayed by a phone call). Also I typed "MANY" not "ALL" comments were ignorant...and I too knew of the individuals names but being that they are minors I was not going to reveal them...there a legal issues in progress...Again don't make this about Race/ethnicity...And Beating up the child is not a solution either...if I had to choose between getting punched or shot of course I would choose to be punched, BUT niether one should occur... Also, just because it was your friends who teased the individual and NOT you, doesn't make it better, unless you tried stopping your freinds.
Posted by noel on February 12, 2008 at 5:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Buttpirate, you have no right to list any names on this site. All involved still have a right to privacy, and families probably still need to be notified. I just wish kids these days would learn to respect life, and respect each other. Does not matter who did what or why or what race they are....just respect each other and respect the life that God graced you with.
Posted by joanie5 on February 12, 2008 at 5:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I feel that all humanity has a lesson here before them, and that is to learn to be humble, kind, compassionate, love one another as a human being, not where they come from. I feel that all humanity needs to learn spirituality and to love with unconditional love, God bless everyone.
Posted by RaiderHater on February 12, 2008 at 5:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm so used to hearing about this kind of stuff in Oxnard that I almost didn't even read the article. Now I wish I hadn't.
Posted by LoveIs on February 12, 2008 at 5:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
all those still reading comments please go to BUTTPIRATES comment and click suggest removal, so the individuals names are removed... I realize that Oxnard is a small town and it may still get around...but the less the better...
Posted by bitbruja on February 12, 2008 at 6:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What is a 15 yr. old bisexual transgender doing in a jr. high school? Sounds like both the shooter and the victim needed intervention and therapy long ago. And maybe they shouldn't have been in a mainstream classroom.
Posted by jill on February 12, 2008 at 6:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
bitbruja,
All the gang shootings and knife fights going on in these schools and you're worried about is a bisexual transgender kid? Are you kidding me? This kid's not hurting anybody. He was the victim.
buttpirate (nice name),
You say, "Mexicans just beat you up in groups." And who do you think has done 99.9% of the shootings in Oxnard? Uh, that would be Mexican gang members. But they also beat people up in groups because they're cowards.
Posted by ironwoman on February 12, 2008 at 6:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Does it matter if the victim is or is rumored being a transexual? Who cares. It doesn't give the shooter the right to shoot him!!
Why would you question why the victim was in school? Sad comment bruja.
Posted by evilmind on February 12, 2008 at 6:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I've been trying to get the comment by buttpirate removed since it was posted. So far no response from the Star. I just notified the PIO at Oxnard PD so we'll see if the Star responds.
Posted by LoveIs on February 12, 2008 at 6:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The question is not "what was this individual doing in school?" Its "why can we not accept eachother?" no individual should be judged by the way they dress or who they choose to date/love/like/etc. Being a LGBT is not a disorder and does not need Therapeutic interventions however I do beleive that many people need educational interventions so that it is finally understood by all that being an LGBT is OK, being an LGBT is not a crime, its not wrong, and its not a choice its just who you are. And if your personal beliefs convey otherwise, I have no choice but to accept that but please don't hurt, judge or ostracize LGBT's and thier supporters. Just the same way I wouldn't behave in a hateful manner towards those who beleive being LGBT is wrong.
LGBT's are exactly the same as Heterosexuals...HUMAN BEINGS who deserve respect.
Posted by mlosborne33 on February 12, 2008 at 6:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
bitbruja - I am amazed at your comment. Why wouldn't he be in school? As for his age, possibly he was held back a year, or his parents started him a little later for their own reasons. Not really something for us to spend too much time speculating on. As for his "assumed" sexuality - first off - No one even knows what is true about his sexual preference - could be rumors! Second - IF it is true, that is not a reason to ban a child from school. INTERVENTION & THERAPY??? A persons sexual preference is not an illness that must be cured. That is a very uninformed and dare I say, ignorant comment!
Please, people, just remember that tragically two young men's lives were changed FOREVER today. Not to mention their friends and families. Stones should be left outside in the garden of our glass house! Oh and before you ask. No, I am not homosexual, just open minded and accepting of those who accept themselves for who they are.
Posted by ironwoman on February 12, 2008 at 6:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Lovels - I understand your point and those with hearts & human compassion also understand. BUT there are many heartless people in this world with pure hate toward others. THere are many issues I don't agree with everyday but I don't make the decision to go out and try to kill people because of my views.
Pray for the victim. If anything, he needs support and prayers. His family too.
Posted by badamr123 on February 12, 2008 at 6:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I work at Frank Jr. High in Oxnard and when we found out about this, we were all shocked and scared for our students. I personally am outraged that this happened at such a young age. How this can happen, it is ridiculous that children are able to get their hands on stuff like that. I pray that the student that was shot gets well and i feel for the family!!
Posted by buttpirate on February 12, 2008 at 7:13 p.m.
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Posted by crazymind20082009 on February 12, 2008 at 7:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Sad to hear bout this. Oxnard is not what it used to be. I commend the E.O. Green school for having the proper procedures and going into lock down. Things can happen, and being prepared is the best way to handle them.
It was mentioned the boys had a argument on Monday-did anyone think to tell the school or parents to handle the situation.
Kids need life skills and we have all been told even if some