Posted by handyhood on December 17, 2008 at 5:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If you even talk to a club member you are automatically an associate according to the DA. I honestly don't believe this guy would try and take on a bar full of Mongals with a 4 inch knife!

Posted by NavalAviator on December 17, 2008 at 5:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree handihood, a lot reeks with this conviction.

Posted by janusjuris on December 17, 2008 at 5:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah, sounds like a dog pile. The ability of people to be convinced that fantasy is reality really scares me, especially when its a jury that is being flamboozled!

Posted by GDO on December 17, 2008 at 6:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow....you mean those jurors were wasting their time listening to and considering all that evidence and testimony and all they had to do was ask you brilliant people? I think you should go down to the courthouse and offer your services. I mean being able to come to these conclusions with no information....This could really speed things up.

Posted by bob100 on December 17, 2008 at 6:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Excellent work by the Ventura County DA and the Ventura Sheriff's Department who were not afraid to stand up to organized crime. I am sure this is just the first of many to come.

Posted by Ms_California on December 17, 2008 at 6:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My favorite comment on this article...."Jurors also found true that the Hells Angels are a criminal street organization." WTH, they are just figuring this out! Com'on! I have been around plenty of HA's in my time and I can honestly say that I wouldn't be suprised if this idiot actually thought he could take on a bar full of Mongols with a simple knife. These guys, especially the younger prospects will do the stupidest stuff to get accepted and jacketed. Personally to me it sounds like this was a bad joke some of the older HA's were playing on this guy. Maybe he wasn't entirely liked by his club. Who knows. But why else would he be in that bar which is a known hang out for Mongols? Bada$$?

Posted by rjm1890 on December 17, 2008 at 7:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Anytime a thug goes to prision, it is a good thing. The HA's, like all gangs, are a cancer to society and should live like rats in prison.

Posted by dfilerman on December 17, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is such BS!!! They always look for a excuse to put any of the Hells Angles away. How many other fights at this and many other bars go this far in court??? They really need to go after REAL gang members!

Posted by RobINhood on December 17, 2008 at 9:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

rjm1890
!!!!!WELL POSTED!!!!!!!

Hells' Rats will be the new Prison Gang Nickname.

Posted by SonomaJoe on December 17, 2008 at 10:16 a.m.

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Posted by HOOLIGAN on December 17, 2008 at 10:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

THIS IS A B.S. CONVICTION! I USED TO FEAQUENT TAKE FIVE & HAVE NEVER SEEN A MONGOL. THE JURY CONVICTED A MAN BASED ON COP PROPAGANDA!! I WAS EVEN IN THE BAR ON THIS NITE BUT WAS NEVER CALLED TO THE STAND BECAUSE THE D.A. KNEW I WOULD NOT PLAY INTO THE B.S. THEY WERE FEEDING THE JURY!

Posted by srcheek on December 17, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you, Star, for removing SonomaJoe's vitriolic comments. For those of you trying to defend this person, it isn't as if he were a member of a service or community group trying to better the community and world around him. He is a member of a known street gang. I think the police and courts do an amazing job and should be commended for getting one more criminal off of the streets and into jail.

Posted by redridder on December 17, 2008 at 12:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The largest problem that I have is this cops testermony, These cop that are "Experts" can say anything on the stand. They are quilafeid as experts becouse they take class's given by other cops, and they read books written by other cops, the sad fact is that the courts except their story's as fact. ex. the bar is a none hangout of the Mongols, None to who? the cops. I don't blame the jury, they are given derection by the judge, but when you covict an organizion on the evidents agianest one. We should be able to convict all the police agency's for being organized crime, just by the amont of cops that are dirty.

Posted by HOOLIGAN on December 17, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I WONDER HOW MANY OF YOU "INTERNET TOUGH" GUYS HAVE EVER MEET THE DEFENDENT OR ANY HELLS ANGEL FOR THAT MATTER? I'LL BET ALOT OF YOU GO TO CHURCH ON SUNDAYS AND JUST CAUSE YOU PUT A $20 IN THE PLATE UR OK? UR ALL FULL OF B.S! I'D RATHER BE HATED FOR WHO I AM THAN THAN LIVE A LIE LIKE YOU "PERFECT PEOPLE"!

Posted by mamaof2 on December 17, 2008 at 1:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I wonder what would happen if Colonia starts saying they are a club, "officer we are all just a bunch of cowboy football fans, nothing more"

Posted by FedUp on December 17, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"How many other fights at this and many other bars go this far in court???"

most bar fights are fueled by alcohol, and are a "heat of the moment" type of incident. the evidence presented showed a "premeditated" act by showing up at the bar looking for trouble.

Posted by Justice357 on December 17, 2008 at 1:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This defendant is guilty as hell. Any HA can go to court, and testify as an expert in the HA's behalf. The only problem is they will get cross examined and have to provide truthful information. That is the problem. The HA are not truthful and would never allow this to happen in the first place. Also, the cops dont read material just made by police. The HA have published many books, videos, TV episodes (A&E, True TV), etc about their history. Also there are HA informants and arrests made of HA's that show their criminal participation. With this information they have placed themselves into the criminal element. I am sure Laughlin was just a misunderstanding.....NOT! Just because the HA does toy drives doesn't mean the HA are not a criminal element. Good job to the jurors who heard this case and handed out a conviction!!!

Posted by twcanale on December 17, 2008 at 1:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

HOOLIGAN
I go to church, but I've learned not to judgee people. I've known many Bikers through the years, and I even have a friend in his 70s who was a Hell's Angel.
I think alot of these selfrighteous hypocrites don't even know who God is. Christ came and ate with sinners. He was not judgemental at all. He loved everyone equally.

Posted by twcanale on December 17, 2008 at 1:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't see any of you adressing HOOLIGAN. You all think you're better? None of you has ever borken the law? Oh, well I geuss the laws you've broken aren't as serious. The things you do in life have no consequences to others out there? If you realy believe that, then you are all have some serious issues. How many of you have lived or even walked a block in their boots? I agree with him when he said: I'D RATHER BE HATED FOR WHO I AM THAN THAN LIVE A LIE LIKE YOU "PERFECT PEOPLE"!

Quit hiding behind the internet and grow up!!!

Posted by HOOLIGAN on December 17, 2008 at 1:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

twcanale- I think your right, but many others don't think like you they belive taht they are better than others and want to play judge. NEVER BELIVE WHAT YOU HEAR AND ONLY HALF OF WHAT YOU SEE! Don't buy in to the so called "experts" propaganda! It just really burns me with some of the comments on this site... I was in the bar they were NOT!

Posted by simivalleycoordinator on December 17, 2008 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Glad to hear this person is off the streets. Now maybe certain businesses in Ventura County can have legitimate stores without fear of retaliation for infringing on 'turf'!

Posted by twcanale on December 17, 2008 at 1:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

simivalleycoordinator
How about we get you out of the cooperate world and keep our records and finacnces safe?

Posted by simivalleycoordinator on December 17, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The cooperate world?

Posted by twcanale on December 17, 2008 at 2 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Typical selfrighteous egotistical opinionated cowards who think they are blameless.

Who gave you the right to judge others because of the way they live?

Posted by simivalleycoordinator on December 17, 2008 at 2:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wait a moment, twcanale, I know that readers from the STAR tend to be overly biased...it is obvious in most articles that can be read daily. Why is this one upsetting you so much?

Posted by twcanale on December 17, 2008 at 2:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's not the article, it's judgemental people like yourself.

Posted by simivalleycoordinator on December 17, 2008 at 2:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Not judgemental, more like...elated that the street is just a tad bit more safe today. And this isn't a judgemental 'across the board' comment. This is directly pointed at this particular article, and no other. In fact, I don't care about any other article in any other newspaper except for this one.

Brandon needed an intervention. Hopefully he will find the right path now.

Posted by twcanale on December 17, 2008 at 2:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why are you so ready and willing to judge others? Does it make you feel more important? Your faults seem less severe? Day after day I see postings that don't realy discuss issues, but put others down so they can feel better about themselves and sleep at night.

Not everyone thinks the same, was raised the same, or can overcome difficulties the same. Stop trying to better yourself by focusing on others faults. Instead, look at your own and hope nobody verbally crucifies you because your not perfect.

If you're going to post here, I wish you would all stay with the issue instead of handing out opinions on issues you know little about.

Posted by redridder on December 17, 2008 at 2:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Justus 357, Your name says it (cop) I'm shore you belive no cops would ever lie, when the cops get up there on the stand, they are given their openion NOT FACTS, and as far as the lier's you would call informents, lets see if I get this close, the cops bust me I tell them I have some info, they take my lies as fact, I make a deal to save my own a##, and the cops say this story is salome truth and use it in court againest someone else. Close Enough?

Posted by simivalleycoordinator on December 17, 2008 at 2:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Posted by twcanale on December 17, 2008 at 2:13 p.m.

If you're going to post here, I wish you would all stay with the issue instead of handing out opinions on issues you know little about."

Likewise, twcanale. Likewise.

Posted by Monday on December 17, 2008 at 2:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Drug trafficking remains the primary source of illicit income for the Hells Angels, though the group is also involved in a variety of other criminal activities, such as prostitution, fraud and extortion. (CISC, 2005) The Hells Angels are involved in trafficking LSD, PCP, cocaine, marijuana and methamphetamine (Abadinsky, 2003). The Hells Angels have controlled the methamphetamine market in the United States for many years (Abadinsky, 2003). The members of the Hells Angels are known to manufacture methamphetamine as well as transport the methamphetamine to different drug dealers across the country."

“The Hells Angels are truthful when they say they are not a criminal organization. Rather, they are an organization of criminals. They go out of their way to maintain a barrier between Hells Angels as a club, and the Hells Angels as a business.”

Posted by cambodia_pig on December 17, 2008 at 2:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

twcanale and HOOLIGAN,
you say "I'D RATHER BE HATED FOR WHO I AM THAN THAN LIVE A LIE LIKE YOU "PERFECT PEOPLE"!

Isn't that bringing judgemental to a new level?

I could say that it sounds like you are just mad at the world, but that would be judgemental too ;-)

I am totally for people standing up for what they believe in, but that doesn't mean they should judge anyone else that doesn't agree...

Posted by HOOLIGAN on December 17, 2008 at 2:24 p.m.

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Posted by redridder on December 17, 2008 at 2:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Monday, Go to the web site of COPS GONE BAD you will see what a real orginazed crime looks like. "BLUEGANG"

Posted by FedUp on December 17, 2008 at 2:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"I was in the bar they were NOT!"

and why did you not go to the defense of the HA? the DA would not call you as a witness, because you could refute their case? yet, you stood idly by, and did nothing to help this guy? if the DA knew you were a witness, then I am pretty certain the defense attorney knew this as well. sounds like you WANT to have seen what happened that night, but actually you saw nothing.

Posted by Logic_andFreedom on December 17, 2008 at 2:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Right on, HOOLIGAN

write on, write on, write on

Posted by Monday on December 17, 2008 at 2:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"i was in the bar they were NOT!"

The defense can create a list of it's own witnesses. So even if the DA wouldn't put you on the stand, if you had been a creditable eyewitness the defense lawyer would have.

Posted by HOOLIGAN on December 17, 2008 at 2:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

FedUP- MAN UR SMART!

Posted by HOOLIGAN on December 17, 2008 at 2:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

NO WAY THE DEFENSE CAN CALL IT'S OWN WITNESS?

Posted by DrcGrl on December 17, 2008 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hooligan, nobody cares what you have to say about that night. I think you need an edjamacation and you shouldn't have dropped out of school. There, that is judgemental.

Monday, great reference to the losers HAMC really are.

Back to the issue. You know the saying..."if you can't do the time, don't do the crime"

Posted by Monday on December 17, 2008 at 2:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

@redridder

I don't disagree with there being bad cops, I've even known a few personally. There's also bad educators, construction workers, bankers, retail clerks, clergy. etc...

If a law enforcement officer commits a crime, he's a criminal. If a Hells Angels member commits a crime, he's a criminal. Not to much gray area there.

I'm looking at the site you referenced, I also notice the publishers aren't forward with their affiliations, agenda or if it's a group or an individual. So giving them any credibility is kind of hard.

Posted by Monday on December 17, 2008 at 3:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Mundell is still facing similar assault with a deadly weapon charges stemming from a bar fight in Simi Valley in 2007. He said a person was stabbed and Mundell was with two Hells Angels associates."

So he wasn't involved in that one either? It sounds like this guy is a habitual criminal. If this was a Mexican street gang member everyone would be saying how their all criminals. Since he's in a predominantly white gang, it's injustice? Where's the logic in that?

Posted by vtaco93021 on December 17, 2008 at 4:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I do believe it's "I would rather you hate me for who I am than love me for what I'm not" There is peace in our souls, get to know it before you go. "CREED"

Posted by nojustice_justus on December 17, 2008 at 5:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I know first hand of cops who lied for their brethren on the stand. They have their own 'code of silence'.

That is where I have a problem with LE on the stand-most are honest but there are some bad apples out there. Who do you think a jury will believe first?

As far as this discussion-I don't foresee any leader of the Colonia gang running the Olympic torch or collecting toys (stealing toys maybe) for area needy kids Mamaof2.

Posted by mguzman805 on December 17, 2008 at 7:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I hardly post comments on this site, but reading the above really disgusts me.. A man was found guilty by a jury of his peers of a crime, and committing the crime to benefit a criminal organization.

Change the name from Mundell to Sanchez
Change the Criminal Org from HA to Colonia,

Would you all still be defending this man?

Posted by Justice357 on December 17, 2008 at 8:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WhaaaaaaaH! Whaaaaaaah! Cry baby cry!!! That is all that is happening here. A jury was picked by the DA and Defense, a court proceeding was completed, and a jury made their finding based upon the evidence! It just seems there are a bunch of angry people here because a jury of 12 citizens did not favor the defendant! OJ made it work one time, so have others. It was not meant to be based upon the evidence.

And for "redridder"... just because my screen name is what it is, doesn't mean I am "The Man." You are profiling me based upon a word. I am a John Wayne fan! Think of my screen name now.

Posted by redridder on December 17, 2008 at 10:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To Justus357, and Monday, My point is that if Mundall comitted a crime, HE is on trail not his friends, not his club members, He is on trail. When the DA wants to throw in passed crimes, some real, some fake, that Mundall had nothing to do with, It's wrong. Same as they do when they find a dirty Cop, they don't go after the whole police dept. Monday that web site is just reporting news articales from newspapers from around the world. John Wayne great movies, justus357 I must have missed it.

Posted by HOOLIGAN on December 18, 2008 at 1:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"THE GUN THAT WON THE WEST" A 30-30 WINCHESTER! THATS JOHN WAYNE!

Posted by funkateer1981 on December 19, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

CORPRAL PUNISHMENT!!!
BEAT HIM TO A PULP!!! THIS WAY HE CAN SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT, THE NEXT TIME HE DECIDES ON COMMITING A CRIME!!!!!!

Posted by funkateer1981 on December 19, 2008 at 8:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No not yet! Just tired of reading, watching, hearing about Crime!!! Discusted with GANGBANGERS,CHILD MOLESTORS,THIEVES,and TAGGERS, who think having COURT DATES AND WARRANTS, and HIGH SPEED CHASES, makes them COOL.

Posted by bbofvta on December 20, 2008 at 8:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hooligan and Redridder typify the kind of apologists that the Hells Angels appreciate...the cops always lie, the DA persecutes them, and the bikers are misunderstood motorcycle enthusiasts.

Besides their horrific spelling and language useage, both of these folks appear to look for any reason to excuse the type of behavior that got Mundell in trouble in the first place. He is the one who went to a "known hangout" for another group of losers, with the intention of showing what a "man" he could be to impress the HA's.

If only the HA's, Mongols, Vagos, etc could find a place in the desert to go show off for each other, and spare the rest of us, it would be great! They could take Hooligan and Redridder along to shine their shoes, and wipe their butts for them.

Posted by shanecolton on December 20, 2008 at 5:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

the hells angels mc club have been apart of our cummunity sence i was a child.they have never claimed to be inceint angels of our communitie.nor
have they ever claimed to be gansters.unlike the boys in blue who where wereing shirts not to long ago stating on them my gange wears uniforms backed with badges. doesnt
that pronounce to our cumminity that their a gange.isnt the word gange refernce in our society crimmenal activity by an unspecified amount of members.lets be real-they dont recruite saying going our club,our gange wears blue.in any form you want to see it-the hells angels is only a mc.club because they never stated otherwise sence there begaining of starting the m.c. club. sure they may be the local police departments thorn in the side in alot of ways for what ever reasons they may be.but what you dont look at is the fact that they also have for years worked with our community and kepted outside invaders out of our community.both sides differ in alot aways.both have good and bad people with in them.both have working class people,family men,fathers of children of our community and family living in our cumminity inwitch threw them both.i can tell you the avenue is a good place and community overall to raise a family in a cummunity.we live with them both quite well.just think if they wernt there-chances are a gange and not a club would be.so if you never step out your door into your own community and are affraide to walk down your street at night that you happen to live on. than you keep eyes closed ,lock your doors and go on living live being scared of the dark for no reason than what you receive form the differnt medias we have. me i choose to live life and not be afraide of the dark streets so i can see for myself whats infecting our streets and way of life.you dont see the ha's messing with the people of our community because they think they can.

Posted by srcheek on December 22, 2008 at 10:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Can someone please provide a translator for shanecolton's post? The spelling and grammar is so terrible that I can't even begin to attempt to read his diatribe.

Posted by shanecolton on December 22, 2008 at 4:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

srchreek.its not my grammer that bothers you.its the fact that reality slaps you in the face daily and when it does you have to find away to knock itt so you can justifie closeing the door and locking yourself into your safty zone instead of dealing with your fears of the outside world.dont forget that op lock.

Posted by srcheek on December 23, 2008 at 9:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I actually feel very safe in my neighborhood and the "reality" of which you write is not my reality. I feel that Ventura is a great community in which to live without the HA's "help". I feel that all gangs are a blight on humanity and each gang member is a waste of skin. Defending a gang or gang member is just beyond my realm of acceptability and bashing our hard-working police department because of a small number of officers who abuse their position is also unacceptable to me. I don't agree with your reality or your opinion, although you are indeed entitled to both. It would be easier, however, to not just brush you off as some uneducated HA supporter if your post were slightly more coherent and well-written.

Posted by SonomaJoe on December 26, 2008 at 6:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT MY POSTING WAS REMOVED EARLIER. Ventura County houses some communist and biased people that have no interest in ones RIGHT to lead a lifestyle that may differ than their own. Brandon Mundell was tried and convicted. Fair enough. But you are talking about a BARFIGHT that may result in a young man, a young father of a little girl, to more than 9 years in prison? No one went to the hospital. No one was even hurt. That is outrageous. I will stay up in Sonoma County with the rest of the Liberal world and make sure to head down the 5 and not the 101 just so I can avoid your dogpile county. Are you going to remove this one, Staff? Tell Hitler and Stalin I said hello.