Posted by karenholguin on December 3, 2008 at 2:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

this is such a disgrace.. I pray for this family.. may the good lord truly bless them through these hard times.. I hope that whoever out there knows who did this horrible crime will turn this person in..

Posted by NavalAviator on December 3, 2008 at 2:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

That is cold, to shoot a man in front of his child. This will affect this child forever. I hope that the kid turns out OK.

Posted by hemlock1262 on December 3, 2008 at 5:13 a.m.

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Posted by GWAR on December 3, 2008 at 6:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sounds like someone has been playing too many video games. Hemlock, is that your address? Playing video games is not a substitute to actual service, boy.

Such a sad event, I hope that family will be able to remain strong.

Posted by handyhood on December 3, 2008 at 6:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

hemlock1262- There is a time and place for stupidity. This is not either. This was not just a typical Oxnard shooting. This was heinous and callous. This shooter really needs to be caught!

Posted by goldeneye on December 3, 2008 at 6:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is so horrible it makes me want to scream!

When this demon is caught it would be interesting to know how many crimes he has committed before and whether some soft on crime judge slapped him on the hand. If it turns out that he is a career criminal that could have been locked up - any judge that failed to take the opportunity to protect the community should be thrown out of office. I don't think you do a crime like this the first time you turn to the dark side.

Posted by luv2sail on December 3, 2008 at 6:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

hemlock1262, it is astounding that you blast the NRA here. This is a rather serious event and there is no place for your nonsense here.
I'm certain that the shooter was not what one would term as an "upstanding citizen" and it's unlikely that he got his gun through legitimate ways.

Posted by socal2310 on December 3, 2008 at 6:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hemlock,

I suggest you read up on armed self defense since you seem to be sadly uninformed. Armed robbers are notorious for killing people who they think aren't cooperating fully.

People who fight back are LESS likely to be injured than those who comply and those who can defend themselves with firearms are even better off.

Most of the time, meeting with bold defiance is disconcerting enough that robbers give up. Bear in mind that these parasites are opportunists and are emboldened by the fact that they know people won't fight back.

The weapons you describe would not be terribly effective since they would be clearly visible on the victim's person. There are however, numerous easily concealable handguns in almost any caliber that could be used.

Gun restrictions have done nothing to stop criminals from carrying firearms. Keep in mind that most of them already have felony records and are prohibited from owning firearms under CURRENT statutes. The only people who obey firearm restrictions are law abiding citizens.

Ryan

P.S. If you DO carry, make sure you are mentally prepared to actually use lethal force. Cases involving victims being disarmed and having their weapon used against them are almost invariably due to hesitation on the part of the victim.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on December 3, 2008 at 7:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What a sad story! I really pray they catch the killer! My heart goes out to the victims family and his little boy. I can not even imagine having to witness such a thing.
Condolences to the family!!! Your in our prayers!

Posted by spulido805 on December 3, 2008 at 7:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What a sad ending for this young man. May his family be strong and I wish you all the best.
GOD SPEED....

Posted by stonewall on December 3, 2008 at 7:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

well another oxnard youth forced to grow up too soon!! with out the aid of a parent this is a disgrace. and the city keeps rolling along, arm all the citizens, take all the guns away then only crimanals will be armed, you are armed take a camera, learn to use your cell phone camera, turn on your porch lights at night get out and take back what is yours.. your city..

Posted by pjlove10 on December 3, 2008 at 7:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hemlock.. if you were looking for some sort of reaction, you got it. Now please go away. You're unfunny, and quite frankly stupid.

Posted by brwnoso on December 3, 2008 at 8:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is so sad. Hopefully the child gets some sort of help so this wont affect him for the rest of his life. My condolences to the family.

Posted by jay3777 on December 3, 2008 at 8:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I read these blogs after a shooting, stabbing, robbery, and murder in Oxnard all the time. And it is always the same thing, blame these people or this group of people. But instead of writing a blog of blame, how about we stand united and take back these streets for the people who are good abidding citizens that live there. The gang junction seems to have lower the rate of gang crime in certain areas, but not crime in general. Something needs to been done to help these people and there kids in the level where police are not present. Some people don't trust the Oxnard PD, so they need to rely there trust in someone or something. There are many hispanics that live in Ventura, Santa Paula, and Fillmore, but yet, crime is not that intense as it is in Oxnard. Something must be done to fight back for safety.

Posted by DoctorDude on December 3, 2008 at 8:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

That's a very brave 10 year old who kept his wits and sought help right away by breaking into the office. Sorry for the family's loss. Catch this guy please.

Posted by hotwildflower on December 3, 2008 at 8:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is just heartbreaking. Such a terribly sad story. I pray this family is able to find peace.

On a side note, I think the Star did a good job with writing this story, it really tugs at your heart and is quite informative.

Posted by Noreen_Patesel on December 3, 2008 at 8:25 a.m.

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Posted by CaliPro805 on December 3, 2008 at 8:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well let me start by giving the Famiuly my deephest Symphathy on the lost there Love One. Especially for the little boy who was caught in the middle of this inscident. As a resident living down the street from the scene really raises issues like how " How Safe is really downton Oxnard","The OPD should maybe base them self more on Public safety then trying to meet there Quota in traffic sitation's." Dont get me wrong they have done a really good Job but lately it seems like you see more cops driving the city then looking out for our local buissnesses. The Private Housing communities on A and B Street. The senior center.. We got to keep in mind out theather in DOwntown Oxnard. The security-less parking structere, late night movies... two blocks down from a murder. Can someone tell me whats wrong with this pic. Why wait for someone to get murdered to mandate more police activity in our city. Its sad to sit down and watch the News and see Oxnard come up twice for two murders while a 30 min. News segment...Mot tryinh to start a contriversy just my Own Opinion

Posted by Arod on December 3, 2008 at 8:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

condolences to the grieving family.

I commend the 10 year old for being so brave.

I hope they catch the perp... If he doesn't put up a fight like ILUVOXNARD proposes, I hope he gets street / prison justice.

Posted by swtnsassy on December 3, 2008 at 9 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I would like to extend my condolences to the family..it is so sad that this little boy had to be so brave, no child should ever have to be put in this position. May God Bless you little one, I will pray that as he grows he will be ok.

Posted by Noreen_Patesel on December 3, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

?

oh... i see why it was removed... sorry s for my language star (no sarcasm intended)

let me rephrase that in a more appropriate way:

Just Another Horrible Day In The 'Nard.

My prayers are with the kid and his family

(better?)

Posted by Latina_805 on December 3, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

such a young brave boy, I feel terrible for him and his family especially during these difficult times and during this holiday season. My condolences to the family.

Posted by handyhood on December 3, 2008 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jay- there is a reason why you need to get a new name at least once a month. Think before you post!

Posted by Mister_S on December 3, 2008 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is a tragedy in every sense of the word, and I want to express my sincere condolence to the family and friends of the slain man. This stinks of an "inside" job to me. This gunman takes a small amount on money, searches the vehicle for a larger amount of money and after failing to find it, shoots and kills this man in fromt of his son. Lying in wait at night for this particular victim, this murderer may have had information that led to this crime. Also.....what are the chances this murderer was tweeked out? Better than 50/50 I'd say.

Posted by Noreen_Patesel on December 3, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

i really should think before i post...

just think went by that place on friday... saw a guy in the lot... twas proably him.

so sad.

"happiest days of our lives" - Pink Floyd

Posted by Arod on December 3, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dude, seriously, I'm lost, what the hell is Jay talking about? also, you need to stop with the pink floyd crap, I saw it on another article.

Posted by Beachguy on December 3, 2008 at 9:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I wish we could just have a couple minutes with this chicken s**t scum bag. I dont want to shoot him, I would rather take his face apart with my fists... I'm so angry about this it makes my stomach turn. I bet this scumbag was on parol for some kind of robbery or other crime. There has to be someone who saw this; that's a busy street at 8:30 every night. I hope and wish this person is not caught by the police, but by the family members instead... This calls for real justice, old school style.

Posted by Noreen_Patesel on December 3, 2008 at 9:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

oops...

i meant:
Just think, i went buy that place the other day...
and saw a guy in the lot (who was probably Uriel Loya-Bucio)

Posted by Arod on December 3, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I get that part... now... what's with the Pink Floyd reference on this and other comments on other stories?

Posted by SUNNY on December 3, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

RIP! My prayers go out to the family! Esspecially his son who had to witness the execution of his father for NOTHING!! He had given the man the money! How could anyone do such a thing!! I pray this boy recieve counseling and the MURDER get what is deserved!!

Posted by Relvd98 on December 3, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hi JiMiNY...so you know, whatever song Jay is listening to at the time of posting, he gives name of singer/band and song.

Back to story, the perpetrator has got to be one of the most callous people to walk on face of the Earth.

Posted by Arod on December 3, 2008 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Relvd98! ah I see, now it all makes sense... true stoners still listen to Pink Floyd which explains why his other message made no sense... =)

Officers, catch the perp, call me when he is in custody and let me have a few minutes with him. I'm willing to take a battery charge.

Posted by Noreen_Patesel on December 3, 2008 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks Relvd

(and right now im listening to the entirety of The Wall...)

too bad there arent any pictures of this bottomfeeding bag of (poop).

Posted by Asterisk on December 3, 2008 at 10:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Deepest sympathies for the family. That murderer has no forgiveness and should be hunted down before anyone else is hurt. Because of him, that boy will no longer have his father. The boy was very brave, seeing his father shot and yet having the strength to run for help. If any one is hiding that monster so he won't get turned in, man, God only knows what will happen to you...

I agree that the OPD should stick to commercial areas, which is where most crimes tend to happen, especially during this Christmas season. I find so many of them giving out tickets when they should really be patrolling those business areas where lighting may be a bit poor and workers may come out of work late. Usually, the last ones to leave are business managers or owners, with the day's hard-earned money in hand. Yesterday, I was travelling up in C street and saw two cops pulling over on separate blocks, cars, just to give them a ticket for a minor traffic violation. Come on! There are more serious things going on in the city than people doing stupid mistakes that are correctable. Sure, there are speeding maniacs, but surprisingly, not one cop is around to stop them! There has to be more cops around, patrolling the streets AND business areas.
I'm a full-time student, so I go out at night to buy things I need. Many times I've come across strange men in the parking lot asking for money. I look around and not one person is there to secure the area and keep strangers like these away. What if they too pull out a gun?

Sorry if this was too long, but this crime was a heads up about the truth of this city. It's not safe, too many lunatics are out there on the loose and cops need to stop hiding, waiting to catch the next victim to be ticketed, because this is what happens when you're not looking.

Posted by Ms_California on December 3, 2008 at 10:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

wow such a sad story. My heart goes out to this family and the two sons that Uriel has left behind far too soon.

I agree with Wildflower, this was a touching article to read. It was an emotional read.

Posted by sslocal on December 3, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I feel for this family. That poor boy will have to live with the sight of his father being murdered in front of him for the rest of his life.

Call Sheriff Brooks and ask him to allow CCW in this county. He alone is responsible for issuing the permits. If the victim had had one this may well have turned out very differently.

Posted by brwnoso on December 3, 2008 at 10:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is a very devastating story. Hopefully we could one day come together and try to better The Nard. These scums give Oxnard a bad reputation.

Posted by prophet on December 3, 2008 at 10:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Police Officers need to give traffic tickets to meet their quotas which feeds into a metric and statistical analysis is created to justify pay and jobs. Officers don't patrol looling for crime they patrol looking for statistical data to justify their jobs such as traffic tickets, petty crime not their fault it's just the way it is.

That being said you cannot stop an attack and murder such as this no matter how many cops you put on the street. What is most interesting about this case is the savage nature of this crime also the criminal seems to have an initmate knowledge of the close out procedures of this dealership. Mr. Bucio seems to be the only one closing up shop at this small dealership which is not very common.

Posted by BeaHappi on December 3, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This murderer is a true coward...to shoot a man while he's down and in front of his son. Horrible.

My most sincere condolences to his family and friends. Especially his son who was with him. God bless you.

Posted by Arod on December 3, 2008 at 10:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Prophet: "That being said you cannot stop an attack and murder such as this no matter how many cops you put on the street. What is most interesting about this case is the savage nature of this crime also the criminal seems to have an initmate knowledge of the close out procedures of this dealership. Mr. Bucio seems to be the only one closing up shop at this small dealership which is not very common."

I totally agree with you. not common to have ONE person closing for ANY type of business. You would think that in a small dealership you'd have either the owner or the person right below the owner closing up shop. Why would the perp go look in the truck for more cash? I don't think most people keep more cash laying around in their vehicle than they have in their wallet.

Posted by Noreen_Patesel on December 3, 2008 at 10:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

maybe the perp was a former employee

?

"Waiting for the worms" (you guessed it,) Pink Floyd

Posted by divas805 on December 3, 2008 at 10:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This person that committed this crime is a coward. Any anyone protecting any criminal is as responsible as the one that committed the crime. I strongly feel we should send everyone in our prisons, and so called gang members to Iraq and send our troops home. I would like to see how tuff they are out there. We would just leave them out there so they can get blown out. I bet they would not be so tuff out there, because they are noting but cowards.

Posted by ValerinaS on December 3, 2008 at 11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

So sad, my condolences to the boy and the family of the father.

This DOES sound like an inside job, why else would the perpetrator be so intent on searching the truck for more money?? He obviously knew the father's routine.

There are going to be more stories like this as more people get laid off from jobs. People are going to get more scandalous and more reckless to get money as they get desperate.

Posted by Noreen_Patesel on December 3, 2008 at 11:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

its the begining of another depression im telling you!

hopefully obama can pull an FDR and fix things

(some sarcasm included)

"Welcome To The Machine" - Pink Floyd

Posted by stonewall on December 3, 2008 at 11:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

it took fdr 44mos to fix, i wonder how long it will take obama to sleep in the lincoln bedroom mass media event.

now lets all go down town and find us a killer.

Posted by socal2310 on December 3, 2008 at 11:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sslocal,

Incorporation is only a matter of time since the Heller decision.

Ryan

Posted by Noreen_Patesel on December 3, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

*grabs a pitchfork*

Im with ya StoneWall!

"Shine On Crazy diamond pt 2" - Pink Floyd

Posted by Retiredperson on December 3, 2008 at 11:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I hope that when they catch this person...my call comes up for jury duity...I'd LOVE to serve on that one. I'm just wondering, though, how many police cars were parked at Starbucks while this happened?

Posted by nojustice_justus on December 3, 2008 at 11:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm with JMNY. I'll hold him, he can pummel him.

Obviously this was a planned attack. The perp knew the M.O. of the lot. It has similarities to the Singh murder.

As far as this 10 year old...very resourceful at such a young age. He will be emotionally scarred forever.

Posted by mauid2005 on December 3, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't think it was an inside job as much as someone who maybe knew the deceased's routine. And as for searching the truck, well the article states he demanded more money so he must have been told the envelope was in the truck.

Someone posted that it's highly unlikely this was his first crime. I agree, but unfortunately, I feel that this is only going to get worse since they are still talking about releasing 52,000 inmates. I mean we already slap them on their wrists and tell them "bad gang banger"

I feel for this boy who not only saw the scumbag but also witnessed his father's demise. I hope this boy is steered down the right path and not a path of crime in his later years.

Posted by Arod on December 3, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks No Justice!

Retiredperson, I see at least 3 police cars parked at the starbucks next to the theater EVERY morning.

Posted by nojustice_justus on December 3, 2008 at 11:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

As far as OPDs resources, they are very busy doing what they do. Plus they can't predict where a crime is going to occur.

A city of 200,000 documented citizens plus who knows how many 'visitors' is bound to have more crime. But this one is beyond the norm.

'Yeah, it's so unusual for someone to be shot at night in downtown Oxnard. It only happens, what, every single night?'--NCASH, ignorant poster.

Posted by stonewall on December 3, 2008 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

well we could all meet at starbucks thro down a couple of lattees chase opd out of the parking spots and find us a killer/gang banger got my bat ready what da say?

Posted by Arod on December 3, 2008 at 11:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I know Officers cannot predict where crimes take place and I know that they too need to take breaks... BUT, do they all need to do it at the same time at the same location? if they are all in the same location that just means there are areas not being patrolled.

Posted by stonewall on December 3, 2008 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

well it's like this got a lot of time on my hands these days, the PT is walking, mostly see fire/ambulance very few of oxnards finest. lots of good people out there, take a walk while your screen refreshes, take a picture you could be helping someone or carry a bat!!!

Posted by socal2310 on December 3, 2008 at 12:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jiminy,

As much as public safety advocates (including police) would prefer it otherwise police work is primarily responsive. A crime is committed, the police come, take witness statements and collect evidence.

Most of the time, the only person who is in a position to prevent or interrupt a crime is the victim. Even if all the police on duty at that particular time were making their rounds as you suggest, what are the chances that they would happen to show up at that particular location at that particular time? For all we know, a patrol car passed by moments before the man walked out.

"When seconds count, police are only minutes away."

Ryan

Posted by Arod on December 3, 2008 at 12:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Stonewall, I'm way ahead of ya... bat and a little extra is always within reach. =)

Posted by Arod on December 3, 2008 at 12:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ryan, I agree that they are not super heroes and usually can't prevent stuff from happening. BUT, you have to admit, having 3 patrol cars in one location PLUS a couple officers on bikes is not exactly the best use.

Posted by stonewall on December 3, 2008 at 1 p.m. (Suggest removal)

when was the last time you called reporting a crime being comitted and got a response in the same hour from one of oxnards finest i have seen them do a u-turn to keep away from things. your right jiminy but we can and do prevent with just being out there and by lighting up my yard if the punk don't like his pic took he can leave.

Posted by mtnbkr on December 3, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How Oxnard has changed. In 1980 - 1982, I attended high school in Oxnard. I used to WALK from school to a used car lot owned by my dad near the same area. Imagine that, a white teenager (or any youth for that matter) WALKING up Saviers Rd, past 5 points, to Oxnard Blvd without any problems for two years. That's not possible anymore...Too bad!

Posted by Arod on December 3, 2008 at 1:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mtnbkr = mountain biker or Matt in Baker? I like figuring out monikers.

I think it is very plausible for anyone to walk anywhere. From what I can gather, the victim in this crime was 'cased'. Too many 'coincidences' to think otherwise.

Posted by stonewall on December 3, 2008 at 1:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

point is you can still do it and the more of us that do accomplish this feat and are not intimidated and report stuff the better our city becomes

Posted by Arod on December 3, 2008 at 1:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Exactly Stonewall... My house has lights that stay light all night, they face the street (street lights are too far apart on my block)... there are times that there are random cars parked in front, sometimes smoking reefer, sometimes making out, I make sure to go out there and sit in my car til they leave, there are even times that I'll park my car in reverse and leave the headlights on in their direction! =)

Posted by Noreen_Patesel on December 3, 2008 at 1:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

im down for a citizens patrol

Posted by Arod on December 3, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jay, I'm with you... the fact is, that a citizens patrol wouldn't even be necessary if the good citizens (which there are MANY in Oxnard) let there presence be known.

Posted by stonewall on December 3, 2008 at 1:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

had not thought of that one, i do like a good bull horn approach at the .25 car wash across the alley though. just a thinking how many car lots dont have vide dont think were getting full info..

Posted by NowHearThis on December 3, 2008 at 1:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is a very sad story. What's happening to our county, cities and country?

Posted by stonewall on December 3, 2008 at 1:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

darn missed one, notice that southend getting new street lights (same spacing and just as dark) only moved into front yards off the side walks? northend getting resurfaced again.

Posted by nojustice_justus on December 3, 2008 at 1:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I've heard on my scanner countless times where a perimeter is set up by OPD after an alleged crime, but to no avail.
Yes there are times when I hear 'suspect in custody' but its few and far between.

Posted by Noreen_Patesel on December 3, 2008 at 1:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

did u know that Shaq has an open invite from the OPD to join them when he retires?

that would be an interesting thing to see...

but hey crime might drop...

Posted by nojustice_justus on December 3, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by handyhood on December 3, 2008 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Jay- there is a reason why you need to get a new name at least once a month. Think before you post!"

Isn't HHood the one who posted an 'F.U.' bomb last week on posters who saw differently than his/her view? A hypocrite in the air I smell...

Posted by nojustice_justus on December 3, 2008 at 2:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Trying your BS again dog@ss? Take it somewhere else.

Change your name to 'smegma', its more apropos.

Posted by Arod on December 3, 2008 at 2:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

obvious troll is obvious

Posted by Relvd98 on December 3, 2008 at 2:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dogears...you are just unbelieveable.

Posted by nojustice_justus on December 3, 2008 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BTW-smegma is not 'computer verbiage' or verbage, as you attempt to spell it.

Lay off the Wild Turkey and remove your white bed sheet.

Posted by Relvd98 on December 3, 2008 at 2:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"The picture for this story,looks just like the one they had of the day workers in front of Home depot"

Then I'm confused here. I mean, what in the world does Home Depot have to do with this article? BTW, I have NEVER seen workers standing in front of Home Depot, and I drive by that area about once a week, during the day.

Where exactly are you going with this?

Posted by Relvd98 on December 3, 2008 at 2:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by dogears on December 3, 2008 at 2:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"You three need to find a job or something.Take up golf or bowling,maybe stamp collecting"

I currently I'm working full time, thank you. Bowling is fun though...hey, maybe we can go bowling someday! What do you say?

Posted by Relvd98 on December 3, 2008 at 2:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dogears...not trying to pick on you, but please just explain the whole "Home Depot, daytime workers standing around" thing.

Posted by Noreen_Patesel on December 3, 2008 at 2:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

looks like we gots a pillow fight a brewing!

Posted by Relvd98 on December 3, 2008 at 2:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow...for someone who lacks basic grammar skills to call me a moron sure has some nerve.

Posted by nojustice_justus on December 3, 2008 at 2:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Among my many hobbies I like to practice my proficiency with firearms, how about coming with me and setting up the targets for me?

Posted by nojustice_justus on December 3, 2008 at 2:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The only location I've seen day laborers is on my way to golf at Soule Park, in downtown Ojai.

Posted by marvinepps on December 3, 2008 at 2:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

as far as im concerned the city of oxnard has failed this poor mans family and his young son the city of oxnard continues its downward spiral into a KAOS of crime . Starting from the useless city council to the down right criminally negligent police of the city of Oxnard who only seem to be occupied with pay raises and selfish interests for themselves. In the mean time people we are all suffering from these very dangerous times in our once great city of Oxnard . Its a sad day for this family and we all hope that god goes with him back to mexico and the most sincere sympathies to his son and his family back home in mexico

Posted by nojustice_justus on December 3, 2008 at 2:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Who said I live in Oxnard?

So are you really named Pythagorus or are you Walter Kohn?

Posted by nojustice_justus on December 3, 2008 at 2:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree marvinepps; there is much cover-up amongst the City workers/government and into the OPD.

What we have seen being exposed within OPD is just the tip of the iceberg. Only so much water can be spilt onto the floor without having to do something about it.

Its unfortunate for the straight cops, having to be around that environment.

Posted by Arod on December 3, 2008 at 2:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

troll as verb (third-person singular simple present trolls, present participle trolling, simple past and past participle trolled)By extension, to search (for), to draw out, to entice

Posted by Arod on December 3, 2008 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ILUVOXNARD, I think it happened once dog (expletive) showed up.

Posted by gonzo78m on December 3, 2008 at 3:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

poor kid,i wish there was an easy way to make our streets safe again.

Posted by Arod on December 3, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

to spill (third-person singular simple present spills, present participle spilling, simple past and past participle spilled or spilt)

(transitive) To drop something so that it spreads out or makes a mess; to pour.

I got your back ILUVOXNARD! =)

Posted by Arod on December 3, 2008 at 3:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The only problem I have with OPD is that there should be a limit as to how many can congregate on their breaks. 3 patrol cars and 2 bikes parked in front of Starbucks on 5th isn't the most efficient way to take a break.

Just sayin is all (tm)

Posted by oreo on December 3, 2008 at 3:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My condolences to the family especially this sweet little boy, I have a 10 year old myself and can't fathom the thought of him going threw that horrific ordeal, I will pray for his mother, that God gives her his holy strenth to be strong for her children, to help them threw this. While I don't encourage violence, I am sure if this creature is caught, most likely he will encounter prison justice and if not we have to know in our hearts that when his time comes he will be judged.

Posted by getreal on December 3, 2008 at 3:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I can't believe how many people blame the OPD for crime. Seriously folks. They can't be everywhere in the entire city at once. Oxnard is just another city riddled with too much illegal activity thanks to crappy parents and the good ole illegal invasion. Blame your neighbors for being second class individuals rather than OPD who risk their lives every day in this city.

Posted by Arod on December 3, 2008 at 3:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

getreal, this may be a tad over your head, but not all of us have second class neighbors or live in a second class neighborhood. I for one do not blame OPD, you can see that in my posts.

Posted by nojustice_justus on December 3, 2008 at 4:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ILUVOXNARD2--look up 'spilt' and realize your ignorance...thank you JMNY for defining it. Here is a hint--it can also be spelled (not spelt-then we would be talking grain) spilled....

You are quick to forget the criminal cops from OPD that were recently convicted of a variety of crimes and does (Marco) Polo ring a bell? The one that resigned? aka Rendezvous Boy...is this making sense to you eyeheartoxnard??

You obviously missed my last sentence concerning OPD-"Its unfortunate for the straight cops, having to be around that environment."

Posted by BeaHappi on December 3, 2008 at 4:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Isn't there a police substation near that Starbucks on 5th Street? And no Jiminy, I'm not talking about the STARBUCKS! :~)

Posted by brwnoso on December 3, 2008 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MAN YOU GUYS MAKE ME CRACK UP, LMAO

Posted by fmr805 on December 3, 2008 at 4:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OPD is too busy fighting petty crime. On Black Friday FIVE, yes, FIVE cars were outside Target to arrest 2, that's 2 female thieves. The women were weeping on the sidewalk - clearly not too much of a threat.

Why were there FIVE police cars?

Sad state of affairs. My prayers are with this child and his family.

Posted by sparks240 on December 3, 2008 at 6:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Is there any reward money offered for the capture (dead or alive) of this punk? Maybe one of his loser friends would turn his punk a$$ in for cash.

Posted by ReconByFire on December 3, 2008 at 7:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Those who fault the OPD should pick up a radio scanner and listen in on the BS that officers deal with night after night. It must be frustrating for officers who race from one "domestic dispute" to the next, in which at least one of the parties "HBD" (vernacular for "has been drinking"). Unfortunately, statistics show these calls are also among the most dangerous for law enforcement personnel, so for safety reasons, multiple officers with "people skills" and ample patience are required to respond.

If our city leaders really want to combat crime, I suggest the following -
1.) Chief Crombach should "host" a couple of Saturday evening sessions at city hall - until midnight, at least - where residents are invited to listen to police radio traffic, which he can then decipher for the uninitiated. I'm sure those attending would be appalled at how busy officers are, handling the often-repeat BS calls for service from drunken imbeciles who need babysitters as much as they need police intervention. Do you like watching "COPS" on TV? Imagine not being able to switch channels for a 12-hour stretch - that's what our officers deal with day-in and day-out! And yes, every so often they must respond to calls of "shots fired", "HBD subject with a knife," "woman screaming, glass heard breaking", etc. which undoubtedly keeps the excitement level ramped up;
2.) Based on the results of these sessions, I believe attendees would then demand that our city leaders empower police to increase the frequency in which the parties responsible for these stupid fracuses are arrested. A husband-wife, boyfriend-girlfriend, etc., fighting in their home may not be "drunk in public" technically, but when it requires a police response, it should be treated as a misdemeanor crime, at least, especially if it occurs with frequency. Arrest and jail the combatants, and when they wake up from their usual Sunday hangover, slap them with a costly fine, if that's what it takes to force them into changing their habits.
3.)Enforce existing curfew laws for minors loitering in public places, a practice which has proven to be deadly to some of our young people recently - witness the several drive-by shootings in the past few months.

Hopefully, these actions - over time - would reduce the number of calls requiring officer response. And if police aren't "nickeled-and-dimed" so much, they should have more opportunities to be pro-active in preventing crime, i.e., additional patrols of high-crime areas. I'm tempted to suggest that Oxnard outlaw the sales of Budweiser and Bud Lite beer on weekends - I'm convinced crime would drop by at least 50 percent - but that seems too draconian, even for this non-Bud drinker.

Posted by nojustice_justus on December 3, 2008 at 8:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ReconByFire-I hear you. But, outlawing the sales of Budweiser is not going to fly and won't fix the problem. There's other types of alcohol and other Cities too close to get around your proposal. I do see where you were going with it.

I do listen to my scanner often and I agree wholeheartedly with the limited resources they have. Yes they need more officers. I have a question though-has the number of officers stayed in a linear progression with the growing populus over time? I'd hope so and not sure if you would know that answer. But you get my point. Also, who is to say way back when-if that ratio was 'in the positive'-officers per X amount of populus. That is a David Keith kind of question.
You cited many good scenarios and you might add 'loud parties', 'beer runs', etc...we could go on for awhile.

They should use their motorcycle officers for crime areas as much as they do for traffic enforcement. That's a good start.

Posted by 126west on December 3, 2008 at 9:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This sounds like the OPD has some evidence to go on. It will be interesting to find out who committed this horrible crime. Jury Duty anyone?

Posted by latin7711clovis on December 3, 2008 at 9:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

All in all it"s a very sad incident. And my prayers go out to the family.
And the workers that lost a loved one.
I especially want to send a prayer to the son...he will never forget this tragic incident for the rest of his life.
God Bless

Posted by cin_fin on December 3, 2008 at 9:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was very saddened & horrified to hear of Uriel's life taken in this cowardly tragic violent way. Uriel, his son and sometimes his wife and other children were my customers for the last 6 years. You couldn't imagine a more happy, loving close family. Uriel always had a smile on his face and his son was like a little shadow and looked up to his dad. He interrupted his dad's conversations injecting his little man's opinion. His dad gently reminded him he was interrupting but in most cases agreed that his son had a valid point. I'm sure Uriel would be proud of his son's presence of mind to try to get help and this valiant little lad did all this to try to save his hero. I hope he knew that his son was safe as he lied there wounded, fighting for his life. He knew he had a lot to live for. Uriel you did well in teaching him to be sharp and use skills that no 10 yr old would ever imagine we're going to come into play in this way.

Uriel came to the U.S. in search of a better life and worked hard to attain the American Dream. Prior to working on the car lot he had worked as a field worker but dreamed of having his own business. This is not a man that would take a hand out as he was humble, prideful and had integrity. He was teaching his children values & that the value of hard work & having goals can get you somewhere in life.

Now this piece of garbage criminal has left them fatherless and his family deeply feeling the loss of their husband, son, brother and good guy to all he met.

Whoever did this may you never find a corner in this world in your waking time, lucid or non lucid to rest in mind, body or soul (if you even have one). Your the lowest form of a human being and deserve no pity for this crime when you're caught! Just as you had no pity for this poor man who gave you what you wanted and you still had to murder him with malice! Your a sick animal!

My deepest heartfelt sympathy goes out to his widow, children and family. She needs our prayers and blessings at this difficult of times.

Posted by ron on December 3, 2008 at 9:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How about this as a future solution. Mandatory gun registration. Yearly. for five bucks. Have a gun with no registration, 1st offense 10 days in jail, 2nd, 6 months, 3rd 3 years.

As for what this scum bag did in front of the boys father. Just stick him in with the general population. They'll take real good care of him.

As for OPD, come on! You can't seriously blame them for this. There on OUR side. Let's show some respect for those who risk their lives for US.

Posted by UCSBguy on December 3, 2008 at 10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

prophet you just have to blast the police with your comments huh. That's your MO and you just had to attach the 2nd paragraph so you'd feel that your comment is relevant to the topic.

Posted by my3angels on December 3, 2008 at 10:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My prayers go out to the family, may God give you the strength to help you through this.

What kind of a person kills an unarmed man in front of his child. Now this brave little boy has to live with the horrible memmory of his father being murdered in cold blood. I can't even begin to imagine what this child was feeling watching his father suffer.

Cin-Fin do you know if a fund for the family has been established I know people will want to help.

Posted by nancy_4ever on December 3, 2008 at 11:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In response to: "This is a very sad story. What's happening to our county, cities and country?"
The truth is a crime so demonic as this, and others happening around the country are being spurred by the METHAMPHETAMINE CRAZE. This drug is the root of so much crime, pain and broken families. I wouldn't doubt the cold blooded killer needs money for his habit, and to think, he is still out there... looking for a victim.

Posted by prophet on December 4, 2008 at 12:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Quote: prophet you just have to blast the police with your comments huh. That's your MO and you just had to attach the 2nd paragraph so you'd feel that your comment is relevant to the topic.

UCSBGuy,

The first paragraph is relevant to current business including the local police force. OPD can only do so much with limited resources and the police force has a quota to meet, my cousin works for the police force so I have some knowledge of what is going on with OPD internally.

I'm not blasting the police force they generally do a good job at a thankless job, you're offbase with your comment. I have an MO? I have a life apparently you do not if you sense a trend in my sporadic and rare postings.

Posted by socal2310 on December 4, 2008 at 5:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ron,

WE ALREADY HAVE MANDATORY GUN REGISTRATION IN CALIFORNIA!!! There are already significant penalties associated with carrying an unregistered concealed firearm (two separate crimes). It doesn't work. The only guns the police know about are the ones I and other law abiding citizens own.

If you want to get guns off the street you would have to eviscerate the fourth amendment in addition to the second amendment (since I can't assume that anyone knows what the Bill of Rights says anymore, that's the prohibition against unreasonable search and seizure).

To quote Ben Franklin, "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

What we need are more guns in the hands of law abiding citizens. States that have mandatory "shall issue" concealed carry laws see a dramatic reduction in violent crime. Granted, there is a concurrent rise in other crimes as criminals shift to less dangerous forms of theft, but that's a small sacrifice. I would much prefer that someone stole my car from the parking lot at the mall rather than at gunpoint in my own driveway.

Ryan

Posted by fmr805 on December 4, 2008 at 11:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think that no one is placing blame on the OPD. People are merely expressing frustration at the lack of police presence in the community at large. My only beef is when there are too many officers responding to a petty crime. I can understand if they all show up at once, but once it is CLEARLY obvious 1 car will suffice can the other 4 cars leave the scene ASAP???

Posted by cin_fin on December 4, 2008 at 4:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In Reply to: my3angels
who says:
"Cin-Fin do you know if a fund for the family has been established I know people will want to help"

I don't know of one yet but I am trying to make contact with his extended family. I would like to raise funds or donations for the children for Christmas. Please stay tuned and I will log in at this site to announce any developments.

If anyone has ideas I'm open to suggestions.

Thank you.

Cin_Fin

Posted by UCSBguy on December 4, 2008 at 6:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

fmr805 what are these petty crimes that you're talking about? sometimes, people can get unruly and uncooperative so i think they'd ask for backups. these people are not afraid to kill

Posted by fmr805 on December 5, 2008 at 10:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

UCSBguy

I'm talking about 2 WOMEN who stole something from Target on Black Friday who were balling as they sat outside the store handcuffed. They were not unruly, if anything they were regretful and embarrassed which they should be.

I have also seen several cars pull over 1 person driving (seen this multiple times) and I have wanted to take pictures to send to their chief. Do you really need 3 cop cars for a driving citation?! I mean come on 6 cops with guns vs. 1 person driving an old beat up car???? You do the math.

Posted by n0bonob1 on December 5, 2008 at 11:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

were's the cops when u need them? but, when u don't need them u see them everywere! this city needs more cops, they are the only one's u can call 4 help! i wonder how long did it take the cops to get there? 45 minutes, like ussuall?

Posted by Oxnard2009 on December 5, 2008 at 4:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

fmr805 that's pure speculation. You don't know what's going on. You lack knowledge of how they operate. I advice you to do a ride-along, it's free and you'll know why they need back up sometimes.