Posted by opns on August 27, 2008 at 4:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What a sad story. As the neighbor said, it could of been them too. Just an innocent by-stander, just an innocent jogger. This is just not right.

Posted by hemlock1262 on August 27, 2008 at 5:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I won't run on the street anymore, as much as I'd like to. Every time you turn around, speeds are being increased on our freeways -- er, eight-lane "roads" -- and it just gets too dangerous. Every few weeks, it seems, we read of some jogger or bicyclist being hit by a car. And every few weeks we read of some new plan to increase traffic density on the roads. And the sad fact is, as the commenters above point out, the higher the traffic density the higher the probability that some idiot will be out there endangering us all.

Posted by Hueneme_girl29 on August 27, 2008 at 7:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

6:23 am and drunk? What a winner............

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Posted by Rodulu on August 27, 2008 at 8:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This hits right in your heart. Frying this guy is a must, but it still won't bring her back. Geeze, I just don't know what to say. I run every morning in a nearby neighborhood. I am also 46. I have a husband and children who would be devastated. I can't begin to imagine what her family is going through, and can't help but wonder if there isn't a way for the running community to reach out and help ease this terrible pain.

Posted by Rocket81 on August 27, 2008 at 8:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lets hope he will be put away for a long time. The laws in general need to be much more harsh. Society sees way to much of this crap.

Posted by JohnGC on August 27, 2008 at 9:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jog, run or walk on sidewalks (where possible) ALWAYS facing traffic, NEVER with traffic flow. Observe driver's eyes where possible, and at a minimum the front wheels of vehicles approaching. The vast majority of folks are doing it wrong.

Posted by Snafu on August 27, 2008 at 9:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Rodulu,
What a great idea for the jogging community to come together and reach out to the family and the community. I'm not a jogger but every time I see someone jogging in the road (or even cyclists) it just terrifies me. Drivers are SO distracted these days and driving at very high rates of speed. JohnGC is correct with his safety tips for joggers; I hope people listen up.

Sincere condolences to her family and friends. Such a tragedy. I agree that this creep needs to be put in prison for many, many years.

Posted by Someonewholoves on August 27, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Camdad 101 WOW, how have you had time to find out that Nicky comes from a wealthy family who liveS in a gated community out in Santa Rosa Valley, pretty decent sized house?????????? What does that have anything to do with a person that commits a crime????? You are assuming you know this family OR DO YOU??????? Why don't you reveal your true identity so we all can google your name and find out where you live and post it on this board. Last time I checked we are all responsible for our own actions, I didn't know that when someone commits a crime the entire family and community is held accountable.

Posted by Rodulu on August 27, 2008 at 9:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Someone on yesterday's article mentioned a memorial run in her honor. I think it would be great if one were organized, but I wonder how the word would get out to participate in it? I wouldn't even know where to begin, but I'd be willing to volunteer to help organize and spread the word. Any of you other runners have any ideas or suggestions?

Posted by JustWantToSay on August 27, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I would absolutely like to send out my condolences to Karey's family and friends and fully recognize how scary it is that this sort of thing is so common for joggers these days. I also think that a run of some sort as mentioned on the other board would be a terrific way to bring some positive attention to this horrible tragedy.
Now, I am in no way supporting Nick and his actions as I am yet another person who once knew him before he started having the problems so many people on here feel the need to speculate about and I have only heard of occasionally and second hand but it really bothers me to hear so much focus on his father's financial status. From what i know, Nick has not been supported by his father for several years. Nick is a grown man - this is his responsibility, not his father's and I wish the focus would remain more on that. While we don't know for sure if this accident occurred because Nick was drunk (which I doubt was the sole reason because of both the time and the fact that you would still know you hit a person) or more likely because he was still a little innebriated from the prior evening and fell asleep at the wheel, I don't think that sending a lynch mob after him is the way to cope with this tragic loss of what seemed to be a wonderful woman.

Posted by bugmenot on August 27, 2008 at 10:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

yah camdad101, and give us your bank account and routing number, ssn and DOB, so we can look into your bank account and do a background check to verify the authenticity of your posts.

and while you're at it, why don't you leave your address on this board, leave your doors unlocked and also post where you hide any valuables.

how dare you have an opinion without first passing my personal authenticity test?

Posted by justsomelady on August 27, 2008 at 10:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Rodulu, I am a jogger and I am her age and I run by this very place on my Sunday run. 25 years ago I was hit while a pedestrian by driver high on drugs and alcohol and I was lucky to survive. I am so very saddened and upset by this, I would definitely help in any way at all with any kind of memorial run in her honor. My heart goes out to her family and I am keeping them in my prayers.

Posted by Someonewholoves on August 27, 2008 at 10:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you Just want to say

Bug me not you obviously did not read all of yesterdays posts from CamDad101. How he posted the address of the drivers family home assuming he lived there!!!!!! Which is not the case and has not been for quite some time and even if he did what would that mean??? That has nothing to do with the crime that has been committed. A person's life has been lost. and as put before a young man has ruined his life

Posted by vcres1 on August 27, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Karey knew the route very well and knew the safety tips about running facing traffic. She jogged in the bike lane to avoid the wet mud/dirt path alternative. There's not a lot you can do when an SUV going fifty suddenly veers off the road into the bike lane, then up onto the curb and into bushes, finally coming to a halt after hitting utility boxes, water lines, and a tree... which is now nothing more than a stump.

She was an unbelievably great person.

Camdad - please don't tarnish her memory by starting fights on an internet bulletin board. Do as you said before and write to the D.A.

Thanks.

Posted by hercules360 on August 27, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Absolutely disgraceful and disgusting that someone could be so drunk at 6.23am in the morning and hit and kill some lady running in the bike lane. Some say maybe he wasn’t drunk, well what is his excuse then? I don’t know about his “rich” parents coming to his aid, they should be so ashamed of their son they raised and let him rote in jail. It was his actions alone which caused this tragic and senseless killing not his family.

As some one who is a runner and has been hit myself by an out of control motorist while out running it begs to ask another question though. When the police patrol the local area and ticket drivers for driving in the bike lane, they get complaints about harassment to motorists, when the police go out ticketing drivers speeding they get complaints about harassment to motorists, so unless we allow the police to police motorists into slowing down, respecting the bike lanes more and more people running and biking will be hit by motorists.

Someone mentioned about contacting the DA to make sure this person stays in jail, where do you write to as I think everyone who ever walks the local streets should be compelled to write or take positive action regarding this tragedy as who knows who is next.

Posted by NowHearThis on August 27, 2008 at 10:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is tragic. I'm sorry about Ms. Marsh's family's and friends' loss.

One thing remains however, which way was Ms. Marsh jogging down Lindero Canyon? The STAR naturally leaves that info out of the story. Was she jogging with the flow of traffic, (which is wrong) or was she jogging toward traffic, (which is correct)?

I see all the time, joggers and walkers who are ignorant of the correct way to jog/walk.

PEOPLE, YOU JOG/WALK WHILE FACING TRAFFIC.

THIS WAY YOU CAN SEE AN OUT OF CONTROL CAR COMING YOUR WAY AND HAVE A CHANCE TO GET OUT OF THE WAY.

Many who jog/walk are oblivious to their surroundings because of their iPods and because they jog/walk in the wrong direction.

I hope the STAR updates their story to reflect which way Ms. Marsh was jogging.

JOG/WALK FACING TRAFFIC FOLKS!!!

AND DON'T DRINK ALCOHOL AND DRIVE!

Posted by bugmenot on August 27, 2008 at 10:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Why don't you reveal your true identity so we can all google your name and search public records to see where you live and all the bad you have done in your life."

someonewholoves- camdad101 argueable went too far by posting a (publically available) address. That's not me to judge.

It is like you want to know about camdad101 so you can attack his character, instead of his content.

Point being; go after the message, not the messenger.

Posted by BeaHappi on August 27, 2008 at 10:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My sincere condolences to Mrs. Marsh's family and friends. This is very, very sad.

As for Mr. Lagrotta, obviously he will have to live with this for the rest of his life, but at least he gets to live.

He must have been going pretty fast to knock her out of her shoes. It's just senseless.

Posted by Rodulu on August 27, 2008 at 10:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

NowHearThis,

My employer saw her every morning on his way to work. She ALWAYS ran facing traffic. At 6:23 in the morning, the light is just coming up and many drivers don't have their headlights on, which makes it a little more difficult to see them. Who's to say what happened. She could have been looking at something else and didn't see him until it was too late, he could have been going so fast that she had no chance to get out of the way, no one knows for sure.

What we do know is that she ran that same route for years, was an experienced and presumably cautious runner. As runners, we must take every possible precaution, and stay as alert as possible. Even so, all it takes is a second.

Posted by Someonewholoves on August 27, 2008 at 10:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

what is the message, maybe I missed that between his attacks on the family????? I agree Nickneeds to be held accountable and suffer the consequence for his action.

Posted by outadabusiness on August 27, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

camdad, you obviously have a bone to pick with the old man of this kid. I too agree that this is extremely sad, and I too agree that if convicted, he should pay the maximum penalty that is allowed, which likely won't be enough in the eyes of many, especially you, and certainly will not bring Karey back. I don't know how you can go on with this rant and expect people to just jump on your little bandwagon. You are toooooo out there for me. I wish you well, and hope you can do something about all this hate you have within. By the way, I do not know any of the parties involved, but do have a friend to whom Karey is/was a very dear friend.

Posted by malti4u on August 27, 2008 at 11:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What can we do as a community to prevent this tragedy from happening again. Lower the speed limit? Install bike and jogging paths well off the main street? This is truly a sad situation that a person has lost there life. We need to find a way to change this from happening again. Yes, it may cost money, but what is a life worth.

Posted by outadabusiness on August 27, 2008 at noon (Suggest removal)

Camdad said: "Welcome to the real world. I don;t think I said community, but since I live in the community I'd love to take responsibility for him. send him over. I just had my breaks done and I need to test them."

Didn't I just read somewhere you getting onto someone about their spelling? It's BRAKES, not breaks. And it's DON'T, not don;t. ;-)

Posted by outadabusiness on August 27, 2008 at 12:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Camdad said: "Yep, and based on other posts in the first story he has a habit of alcohol, maybe drugs. So this is likely not the first time he's driven drunk, just his first kill."

So, are you basing your rants on personal knowledge, or just on the posts in the first story. That would be about as dumb as jumping onto your bandwagon based solely on your rants.

Posted by opns on August 27, 2008 at 12:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

thanks camdad - it's nice to know who your neighbors are and take caution - i'm sure the Lagrotta neighbors appreciate to take preventive measures of getting hurt.

Not all see it your way. I for sure would want to know, in the event i'm taking a casual walk.

Posted by quotes on August 27, 2008 at 12:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

overheard a conversation today in my office, this kid is really claiming he fell "asleep at the wheel and the next thing he knows he was waking up and he had crashed" the Police had to tell him that he killed someone.

Let the defense stragety begin.

Posted by affected on August 27, 2008 at 12:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Camdad101,

You said that your mission in life was to attack the "Scumbag Murderer" while everyone else mourns the loss of the victim. Well, considering that you are up at 4:20am posting ignorant blogs on the Ventura County Star's web site, hows that attack working out for you? Good to see that your "Mission in Life" is to sit at a computer blogging. Want to make a difference in your community? Get off your fat, lazy @ss and do something productive, because believe me... all 23 people that actually check this site, don't care what you have to say!

You are a hateful, spitefull ignorant man! Remember that while you are "attacking" the families involved, those families are mourning the loss of a wonderful woman's life, and a troubled young man's future.

Posted by outadabusiness on August 27, 2008 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by quotes on August 27, 2008 at 12:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

overheard a conversation today in my office, this kid is really claiming he fell "asleep at the wheel and the next thing he knows he was waking up and he had crashed" the Police had to tell him that he killed someone.

Let the defense stragety begin.

Could be true, but if his B.A. is/was still up there, won't make a lot of difference, but perhaps to a jury who could be sympathetic. Sad case all the way around, but mostly for sure for Karey and her friends and family. May she rest in peace, and may something good, someday, come out of all this.

Posted by LivinInPoorMansPV on August 27, 2008 at 12:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think we all know camdad is a DAD THAT LIVES IN CAMARILLO, and he is not an illiterate young adult or some dumb stay-at-home know-it-all parent, like most of the posters here. Reality Stinks don't it?

Someonewholoves....Sorry, some of us assume that a 23 yr old can't afford a home of his own in this time and day, especially in a prestigious gated community. Unless he is using a different name, and he is some huge actor or .COM guru.

Thanks JohnGC, there really are some people that JUST DON'T KNOW THE RULES OF THE ROAD.

REALITY though, it doesn't matter what side of the road your on, DRUNKS DRIVE ALL OVER and hey what do you know, even on the wrong side of the road into head on traffic.

Oh and parents out there with little ones, REMINDER, walk with your child on the INSIDE of the sidewalks, and stay focused on what is going on around you, I see people walking with there children on the street side, IGNORANTS!

Where is MADD these days, they were always preaching saftey rules. After that entire family got mowed down by the drunk in Glendale, I have always made sure to watch for out of control drivers.

Posted by outadabusiness on August 27, 2008 at 12:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm thinking with all the scary stuff going on around here, I might get myself a laser site. Anyone know anything about that gunshop in Old Camarillo?

Posted by oakparkresident on August 27, 2008 at 12:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It is very tragic. Tragic that you (NowHearThis) think you need to question what way Ms. Marsh was jogging down Lindero Canyon.

You say you see it all the time, well then maybe you are one of the drivers using Lindero Canyon or Kanan that ignores the posted speed limits. Maybe you are one of drivers who don’t know how to STOP at the Stop sign, not part of the way in the street on Lindero or Kanan in front of the sign.

This is not a case of Joggers or Walkers in the wrong, so why even attempt to cast some blame on an innocent person, who happened to be in the wrong place only because of a stupid young man who was drunk behind the wheel of a car.

Joggers and Walkers don’t kill or hurt drivers and/or cars. Drivers, who don’t pay attention, drive while incapacitated or are in too dam of a hurry are the problem. Driving is a privilege that too many take for granite. Just this morning a woman in a White Lexus SUV drove down Kanan the wrong direction from Starbucks. As she approached Golden Eagle and turned left she acted as if it was nothing. Like she couldn’t help herself. I’m sorry there are far too many people who don’t think about what they are doing when they are behind the wheel of their car.

Posted by eclipsewatcher on August 27, 2008 at 1:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My most heartfelt condolences to Ms. Marsh's family and friends. I hope that Mr. Lagrotta is punished to fullest extent of the law for this terrible loss.

While I don't want to point fingers at either motorists or pedestrians, I will say that not only are joggers, runners, bicyclists and walkers up against drunk drivers, but also unimpaired motorists who don't always exercise as much patience as they could.

I have walked regularly for exercise on the streets of our community for quite a few years and have had several “near misses.” Most often with inattentive motorists. Crosswalks and “the pedestrian has the right of way” don't seem to hold much weight anymore. Thankfully, since the recent change in the law regarding cell phone usage while operating a vehicle, I've noticed less inattention due to that distraction.

My message is that we all pay taxes and we all have to share our roadways. As gas prices continue to rise, we're going to see more and more bicyclists and folks on foot. Couldn't we all stand to be a little more patient and tolerant of each other? The life it saves could be your own.

Regards.

Posted by lucasc on August 27, 2008 at 1:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

When Nick was 16, he worked for me. He has had the same issues his whole young life. None of that matters. What matters is that he is punished for his crime. Hopefully his Father will not use his money to buy a defense. What is there to defend. If I hear another excuse for a suspect...I think that I will hurl. Please contact the D.A. This is important.

Posted by LivinInPoorMansPV on August 27, 2008 at 1:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

www.madd.org

Posted by dom_kenpo on August 27, 2008 at 1:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This idiot commit murder. Plain and simple. He chose to drink and drive, and now someone is dead. I agree, you cannot bring back the dead, but you indeed can send this scumbag to his rightful position in the California Corrections system.

Yes, he is a scumbag. And yes, I can say this, without knowing (or even caring for that matter) who he is, what good deeds he may have done in his life, or anything for that matter. Scumbag Boy here chose to drink, then chose to drive, and now an innocent is dead as a result of his scumbag choices.

I can honestly say I hope he does not ever see the light of day again.

Posted by Rodulu on August 27, 2008 at 1:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Camdad,

I am interested in any and all thoughts on a memorial run for Ms. Marsh, however, I think those thoughts should be shared here, rather than via e-mail. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the matter.

Posted by DrcGrl on August 27, 2008 at 2 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oakparkresident, when reading nowhearthis's post, I did not take it as an insult or casting blame on the jogger. I took it as a concerned citizen emphasizing safety measures that joggers/walkers should remember. Not saying that if she was facing traffic this wouldn't have happened. Just saying that you response time to tragedy is a little greater if you see something coming at you.

Posted by scvmom2 on August 27, 2008 at 2:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just want to say my heart goes out the Karey and her family.To loose a loved one is devastating.

As for Camdad's comments, they are absolutely out of line and not helping anyone heal. I know as being a parent myself, how hard it is to raise kids in this world, and I can assure you Camdad, you do not understand all the mechanics of being a parent. How do you know the family of Nick is not grieving for Karey and for the future of there loved one.

I too was a victim of a drunk driver and I know how nasty feeling can arise, but being hateful does not help matters. Let the courts decide what is best for Nick, as they will have all the facts.

My prayers go out to all the families and friends who will be affected by this horrible tragedy.

Posted by getreal on August 27, 2008 at 2:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm going to make a guess and say that Nick probably went put the night before and had too much to drink, stayed at a buddies house, woke up and decided to drive home because he had work or school or some other commitment but was still intoxicated from the night before. Most young people don't understand that just because you "sleep it off" there still could be a considerable amount of alcohol in your system. This is just my guess, I was not there, I do not know facts. There is a popluar bar just down the road from the accident though.

Posted by Someonewholoves on August 27, 2008 at 3:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

camdad101 stfu??? that's fine language for a upstanding citizen that raises fine young specimens. What kid would want to be known as a fine young specimen?? You call yourself genetically supreme????? I say challenged in many areas.

Still praying for you.

Posted by outadabusiness on August 27, 2008 at 3:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Camdad101 on August 27, 2008 at 2:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rodulu: All I can do is put someone in contact with a person who's possibly better suited to help organize such an event. Due to my employment I can not be associated with this in anyway.

Must work for an alcohol distributor. Why do you sound so angry? Aren't you aware that our kids are never out of the woods with regard to going astray? Are you aware that the more grandchildren you have, the more likely one of them is going to have significant problems in life? You should be thanking God for your good fortune, ask Him to continue blessing you, and quit gloating on yourself and being so mean.

Posted by scvmom2 on August 27, 2008 at 3:52 p.m.

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Posted by outadabusiness on August 27, 2008 at 4:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

He camdad, getting a lot of bites on your memorial run idea? I thought not.

Posted by outadabusiness on August 27, 2008 at 4:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

oops...should have read hey camdad...sorry about that. Well are you?

Posted by outadabusiness on August 27, 2008 at 4:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Camdad101...And the fact that we have all failed to respond directly to you means none of us have lifted a finger to contact the D.A, M.A.D.D., or to get something rolling with regard to a memorial? You really are a self-important man, aren't you? You think no one can, or will do it without you. Perhaps no one wants to play with someone so mean and nasty?

Posted by outadabusiness on August 27, 2008 at 4:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"I'm glad you bring that up. You are about to validate pretty much everything I've been doing and saying. No, not one email. For all the high minded sanctimonious yammer that was going on here not one person saw fit to put aside their personal issues and ask for my idea/contact. Sure, you'll blame me and my direct manner of posting, but while I was condemned for my position in all of this and others "simulated" taking the high road not one person could see past their own agenda while accusing me of EXACTLY that!"

I'm thinking it has more to do with no one wanting you to have their personal email address. Whataya' think?

Posted by devilangelhawk on August 27, 2008 at 5:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This article is about a young woman that lost her life by someone irresponsible (whether sleep deprived, alcohol related, drug related or something unknown) and very young himself…why are you all arguing about this and that? Why are so many of you being selfish and distracting from the article?

Yes, speculation is human nature and there is nothing wrong with that. But to be calling each other names and arguing over something so petty…Seriously? I am sure all of you are better than that.

With that said, I hope things can get back on track without further distraction.

My condolences to the Marsh Family. You are suffering such a great loss. I will keep you in my thoughts.

As for the Lagrotta Family, I hope you make the right choices and accept the outcome for poor choices made by young Nick Largotta.

Posted by Rodulu on August 27, 2008 at 5:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Camdad,

As outadabusiness said, it has more to do with not wanting to give anyone my e-mail address. I did ask you to post your ideas/suggestions, and I will repeat that request now. If you have any suggestions or ideas, I - and others - will gladly run with them. But I don't give my e-mail address out to anyone I don't know.

Posted by cyclechick on August 27, 2008 at 5:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It has taken me a while to grasp the thought that I will never see smiling Karey again. About 15 years ago, Karey was an aerobics instructor at the Agoura Hills Spectrum club where I was the Group Exercise Manager. She was a wonderful person, employee and instructor and she just loved to be fit, and I would sometimes tell her that if you looked up fitness in the dictionary, her image would be there. I now teach at Gold’s Gym in TO where Karey was a member and would occasionally take my class and I loved it when she did! Always energetic and fun, she was a pleasure to be around. Karey will definitely be missed by her colleagues at work, by her dear friends and family, and by all of us in the exercise profession. If there is to be some kind of running for awareness to keep joggers and bikers safe, I would love to be involved.

Posted by gumberella on August 27, 2008 at 7:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think you are all judging this poor boy inappropriately. Yes, he made a mistake and a big one at that. This does not make him a bad person. You have no clue who this boy is and what type of person he is. I am so sorry for the family who has lost such a great woment. But at the same time, I feel for the parents of this boy. Who cares if he is a rich kid..That doesnt mean he was not raised with values and lived his life the way he was raised.. I know many people who made the mistake of driving drunk. That doesnt make them a bad person or a person with no heart or values..People make mistakes and sometimes they are mistakes that cannot be taken back. Leave this kid alone.. He is a young kid who I believe made a mistake he is regretting and sick over. How many kids out there this age don't make mistakes.. He is a kid and he will continue to make mistakes an learn from those mistakes...All of you BACK off... I dont know this Kid and feel he should not have people like you bashing him the way you are.

Posted by Snafu on August 27, 2008 at 7:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

gumberella, from what the article said the driver is 23 years old. That is NOT a kid...it's a young man. You make it sound like he's a teenager. Yes, he made a mistake, a huge one that can't be undone but he CAN be prevented from causing another person to lose their life. I feel for his family, too, but he is a grown man and will have to pay for his actions himself. While I don't think he should be tried in the media, I do hope the courts will see that justice is served.

Posted by vcres1 on August 27, 2008 at 8:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gumberella:

I'm 23. While this idiot decided to drive while still tired and under the influence, I too was out driving. Except I was on my way to work.

It's old enough to know better. It's also time to move out of your parents house, and have better things to do on a Tuesday night than get trashed. Get a decent job and get a life.

At 23 it's a certain type of individual that's out partying on a Tuesday night... And I can tell you that they're not the productive members of society. They're the tough, invincible ones, that drink too much and try to hold down a simple job. And even that's an accomplishment for them.

No sympathy from me. He needs to be sent to jail and forgotten about.

Posted by scvmom2 on August 27, 2008 at 10:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is not a forum for discussion, it has been a forum for hatred and high emotions. The Ventura Star should feel responsible for allowing this to go on this long. Remove this story and put up a different one. It's obvious this story is causing anger and hurt feelings, not helpful opinions. There may even be a stalker on this website using illegally obtained information in regards to Nick and his family. You should be screening these blogs more carefully. It sounds like this person has access to a lot more than just public records. He states he does not know Nick or his family, yet he knows toooooo much!!! I am convinced this person is in law enforcement himself or knows someone that is feeding him this info.

Please, Please erase this blog and move on to the next story.

Posted by outadabusiness on August 27, 2008 at 11:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You talking about camdad?

Posted by Andrew_Smolik on August 28, 2008 at 12:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Such advice of pedestrians going against the flow of vehicular traffic is based on the flawed assumptions of “always yielding to cars,” peripheral vision blindness, stiff-neck syndrome, and peripheral deafness (e.g., as a result of wearing a headset). It only makes sense if there is some barrier or boundary away from the pavement, such as a grassy area over a curb, that the pedestrian can easily cross if necessary to avoid a threat from an approaching vehicle, but that a typical sane, sober vehicle driver would not dare to try crossing. On the other hand, if only hillsides, cliffs, buildings, or tall bushes exist immediately off the edge of the road, then there's nowhere for the pedestrian to “bail-out” (no pun intended) anyway.

Speed differential between a vehicle and pedestrian is higher when the pedestrian goes against than with the flow of traffic; for a jogger going 5 mph, the speed difference would be 10 mph. Such an extra 10 mph advantage for the pedestrian could possibly be the determining factor whether or not a peripherally-attentive pedestrian can dodge getting hit by a threatening vehicle in time.

It is well known that contra-flow bicyclists have higher rates of crashing than with-flow bicyclists for these reasons, and it is reasonable to extrapolate this concept also to pedestrians-on-wheels or to other pedestrians in certain conditions. Although California legally considers skaters to be pedestrians, in some places such as the states of New Jersey and New York, it's not just bicyclists but also skaters who are legally considered vehicle drivers for rights and rules.

Posted by NowHearThis on August 28, 2008 at 1:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you "DrcGrl." My intent was to educate the public regarding the correct way to jog/walk on busy streets. I just see people jogging/walking in the wrong direction, that's all.

To reiterate, My heartfelt condolences to the Marsh family.

Posted by Lookinthemirror on August 28, 2008 at 7:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

John 8
1 But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 Early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people were coming to Him; and He sat down and began to teach them.
3 The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught in adultery, and having set her in the center of the court, 4 they said to Him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in adultery, in the very act.
5 “Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do You say?” 6 They were saying this, testing Him, so that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground.
7 But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.”
8 Again He stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9 When they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the center of the court.
10 Straightening up, Jesus said to her, “Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?”
11 She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more.”

Posted by forgivingheart on August 28, 2008 at 8:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What has happened is very sad.... so very sad!
My sympathy to the family of this woman. My prayers are also with Nicholas Lagrotta and his family. I am a mother of two adult children and they are not perfect either. I have raised them to always do the right thing, but I know they don't often follow my advice. This could very easily be one of my children or one of yours. I am willing to bet, even though I feel strongly against it, that most of our children have been irresponsible at one time or another and have even driven drunk. Maybe they got away with it.
Nicholas didn't. I'm sure he will suffer greatly for this tragic mistake as will his family. It does not matter that they are rich or poor - I'm sure their hearts are broken. I am not trying to make light of the fact that he took someones life. I feel awful, however let's be christians about this and pray for God's grace for both families. God forgives us all.

Posted by gumberella on August 28, 2008 at 9:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Im sorry all... 23yrs old is considered an adult but how many of you made wise decisions at this age. Come on..We all made stupid decisions at this age and probably older. He made a mistake and will pay for that mistake. It's not for anyone to judge this kid (yes kid)..I have a 24 yr old and just because she is passed the age of 18 which makes her an adult legally... she still makes poor decisions and I raised her with values. I'm sorry all..there are people older than this driving the streets drunk. It doesnt make them bad people.. They are judge people making poor decisions... . I'm not saying what he did was right..Im saying you are all judging him when I know some of you made bad mistakes at this age... That's it for me... It's not for me to judge this kid.

Posted by Someonewholoves on August 28, 2008 at 11:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

camdad101, sounds like SCVmom2 hit a nerve. hopefully your apology is real and not trying to cover up what she so eliquently pointed out.

Posted by forgive on August 28, 2008 at 11:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

22 year old Nick is a good kindhearted young man who, like the rest of us made a few wrong choices along his way. Those of you bashing him and saying he's just a rich kid who will get off light because of his I quote "fatcat" dad.....do you have any idea how judgmental and cruel you all sound? First of all he is not a rich kid he works hard for the things he has and pays his own way through life and has for years. He didn’t mean to fall asleep he didn’t mean to harm a soul. I am sure his guilt alone is overwhelming. Don’t you think in a jail cell with a broken neck, facing everything he has to face is enough?
The fact of the matter is none of you were there. none of you know that he works hard everyday that he IS a responsible adult. Being judgmental when you don't know the whole story is not right thing to do. How many of you have dozed off for a short second or you were on your cell and you swerved or had any sort of close call and could have hit someone? This was a terrible accident but it truly was that an accident.
My heart goes out to the woman who tragically lost her life. It’s very sad and breaks my heart. She will be missed and Nick will get his, but leave the poor man alone. He’s kind and gentle and loving and I know feels a thousand feelings he doesn’t know what to do with. Tuesday was a sad day. All parties in this matter should be supported by the community. Unity! Life is life it just isn’t in our hands awful things happen in this world and people must forgive.

Posted by forgive on August 28, 2008 at 11:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

22 year old Nick is a good kindhearted young man who, like the rest of us made a few wrong choices along his way. Those of you bashing him and saying he's just a rich kid who will get off light because of his I quote "fatcat" dad.....do you have any idea how judgmental and cruel you all sound? First of all he is not a rich kid he works hard for the things he has and pays his own way through life and has for years. He didn’t mean to fall asleep he didn’t mean to harm a soul. I am sure his guilt alone is overwhelming. Don’t you think in a jail cell with a broken neck, facing everything he has to face is enough?
The fact of the matter is none of you were there. none of you know that he works hard everyday that he IS a responsible adult. Being judgmental when you don't know the whole story is not right thing to do. How many of you have dozed off for a short second or you were on your cell and you swerved or had any sort of close call and could have hit someone? This was a terrible accident but it truly was that an accident.
My heart goes out to the woman who tragically lost her life. It’s very sad and breaks my heart. She will be missed and Nick will get his, but leave the poor man alone. He’s kind and gentle and loving and I know feels a thousand feelings he doesn’t know what to do with. Tuesday was a sad day. All parties in this matter should be supported by the community. Unity! Life is life. It just isn’t in our hands. Awful things happen in this world everyday,
and people must forgive.

Posted by LetItBe on August 29, 2008 at 1:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

First of all, Camdad- where do u get off judging? Are u a perfect human being? Looks to me and the rest of this blog u really have a personal problem with Nick. Are u too coward to come forward and say who u really are or is it too comfortable to hide in the fake username? What has happened is tragic! My deepest condolences go to the families. And I pray both can have the privacy to deal with the hurt and pain and hopefully stalkers on this blog like good ol' camdad will leave them alone!

Posted by wolf9walker on August 29, 2008 at 8:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

someone here wrote that she should of been running against traffic. true. but what if she was riding a bike? would you still blame her? fact! she was in a bike lane that a car should of not been in. fact!! he made the choice to drink then drive.
millions of us drive everyday and dont drink. we make our choice's, and have to live with it.

come on people make better choice's, drive safer

Posted by forgive on August 29, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

HE WAS NOT DRINKING AND DRIVING! All of you are jumping down his throat and you don't have the facts! I do. Who drinks at six in the morning on a tuesday? Nick doesn't. He had gone to sleep that night and woke up early to get TO GET READY FOR THE DAY. ALL REPORTS ARE SAYING HE WAS SUSPECTED OF BEING UNDER THE INFLUENCE. HE DID NOT WAKE UP AND START DRINKING and think it was a great idea to drive around. he was tired apparantly more tired than he realized. It was an accident. GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT PEOPLE, COME ON!!! HE SEEMED OUT OF IT SO THE COPS ASSUMED HE WAS UNDER THE INFLUENCE THERE IS NO PROOF AT THIS TIME!!! He might have had a drink the night before BUT HE DID THE RIGHT THING AND WENT TO BED FOR HOURS. Nothing has been proven yet. JESUS PEOPLE!!!!

Posted by animlvr on August 29, 2008 at 11:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

FORGIVE..I agree with you. Nick has a genuine kind soul and would never intentionally hurt anyone. I too have been too tired to drive. The problem is the community he lives in is too small and people are rallying up against him when they don't even know the facts. He is NOT spoiled. He has had to work for everything he has. I have never met a nicer family. Please leave them alone and let them handle this situation in peace.

Posted by forgive on August 29, 2008 at 12:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

justice will be served as it is. We do not need to make matters worse. stop being cruel! Let things be handled in peace. Enough is enough!

Posted by Lookinthemirror on August 29, 2008 at 12:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I do not live in your area - I am about 100 miles away. After reading all the hatefully poisonous vitriol (Yes CamDad, I mean you!) that seems to be so rampant in your area, I am certain I will never visit, much less move there. And by the way CamDad - I assume the "Dad" part of your username means you have children of of your own. I raised two wonderful children, now aged 25 and 21, and they both have given me some grey hair. Thankfully, they have never been involved in something this serious.....but my grandmother told me always to thank God for blessings and to NEVER spit up in the air - because it always falls back to hit you in the eye.

Posted by outadabusiness on August 29, 2008 at 1:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Unless one of you knows his B.A.C., FORGIVE is correct in saying you are jumping the gun. Too hard to wait and see, or do you already know the answer? Sounds like he/she knows this young man in quite a different way than you camdad. Could it be you just hate his dad? Just wondering.

Posted by namaste_1 on August 29, 2008 at 2:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

yeah camdad sounds like your a real "GODLY MAN"

Posted by 2wheelsguy on August 29, 2008 at 5:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Right on, Camdad!

Forgive me if I don't feel sorry for the scumbag who is charged with driving while intoxicated at 6:23 a.m. on a week day and killing a very fine member of our community. I too will be writing the D.A.'s office to ask that this trash be prosecuted to the maximum extent possible.

Posted by 2wheelsguy on August 29, 2008 at 6:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"22 year old Nick is a good kindhearted young man who, like the rest of us made a few wrong choices along his way." -- "forgive"

None of the "wrong choices" made by the vast majority of us have resulted in the senseless death of another person. This worthless punk needs to pay for his crime. I hope he rots in state prison.

Posted by wolf9walker on August 29, 2008 at 6:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DUI or DWS (driving while sleepy) eather way he killed someone, just out for a run. what if she had a baby with her? he made his choice. and now he has to live with it. if your tired dont drive.

Posted by 2wheelsguy on August 29, 2008 at 7:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lookinthemirror,

Please don't ever visit here. We don't need those who sympathize with folks who are so drunk at 6:30 am on a weekday that they kill a jogger and don't even realize they hit someone. Stay in whatever "fine" community you live in, and leave Oak Park to those with class.

Posted by aoakparkres on August 29, 2008 at 8:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I seem to be quite new to the blog, however, CAMDAD, your awesome. Finally someone in this small town whos not afraid to tell people how they feel. good for you.

CAMDAD: more fuel for your fire:
-his parents and stepmother, have not been to see him in jail, nor will they.
-bail is set to 100,000. which they will not pay (as of yet) notice i say as of yet? thats because he is from oak park, and parents pay for everything, even if they dont want to. so well see how long that lasts.

He should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. CAMDAD, thanks for the address to the D.A, my letter goes out in the morning, i belive that hand written is so much more personal than typing.

Posted by 2wheelsguy on August 29, 2008 at 9:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Karey was a fine woman, and Nicholas is nothing but a societal turd, waiting to be flushed down the toilet of life. Rot in prison, Nicholas. It's all you deserve!!! The same to all vermin who support this human excrement.

Posted by scvmom2 on August 29, 2008 at 10:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow,

I have not been on for a while and it seems the hatefulness of people has not changed.

This is to "2wheelsguy, Camdad101, & aokparkres",
Do your thing, and write your letters, you have that right!! Nick also has a right to a trial that determines the facts of the case and makes a decision on how he gets punished. With that said, what is all this crap on this blog about. Once again these comments are very confrontational and not helping.

By the way you three are sounding, you too sound like friends of Karey's and or loved ones who are deeply upset by your loss. I also want to mention that you sound a lot like law enforcement officers,and if I were you, I would do what you were trained to do and let the courts handle it!!!!! If someone finds out how you are getting all of these facts, that may or may not be public record, you might be facing a judge one day too!!! (Just something to think about)

Mourn Karey and try to heal as we all are trying to do. (and no Camdad I am not a physician who heals, but rather a person who would be devastated by a loss and would want not to feel that pain. It takes time and anger does not get you through it any faster.

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Posted by 2wheelsguy on August 30, 2008 at 7:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

To "scvmom2":

You're correct, we do have the right to write the letters, and I hope a lot more people reading this thread choose to do so as well. I also have a right to jog and cycle without fear of being killed by scum who choose to drive while intoxicated.

You imply that there is something wrong with being a friend of an innocent person who was killed by lowlife trash. You also accuse me of sounding like a law enforcement officer, simply because I have the nerve to express my opinion that the person responsible for Karey's death deserves to be prosecuted to the maximum extent possible. Then, you suggest that that I may have obtained my facts by improper means!

Here's some clarification. The facts came from this newspaper, notwithstanding your ignorant effort to suggest otherwise. I'm no police officer, but have immense respect for law enforcement officers. I knew Karey but was not a close friend of hers. I like to cyle and jog, and am very angry that I have to share the road with drunken/drugged drivers. And your effort to intimidate me by suggesting that I "might be facing a judge one day too" is as disgusting as your apparent lack of regard for the victim of this senseless crime.

Posted by scvmom2 on August 30, 2008 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Okay, continue with your rage.....Like that helps!!!
I never expressed there was something wrong with being a friend of an innocent person that was killed.... that was your interpretation, I can not believe you would actually think I said that. (Whatever!!!!)

As far as you getting that kind of info from the newspaper, I say B.S on that. I believe that kind of info could only come from a police officer, media, or someone in the court system.

As far as letter's to the D.A. Both parties in this situation may write them.

I know we are all BOUND BY THE LAW. That is why I am saying all of this carrying on is stupid!!! It is not helping anything. Your ill words won't change the facts. (Do you understand that!!!)

I am not trying to intimidate anyone. Just stating the truth.

You and your team of hateful words aren't helping. In fact this whole blog is just getting to out of control and very immature.

Final Words from me:
God bless Karey & Nick !!!

P.S. I am off this blog for good!!! Don't bother responding!!

Posted by WolfWalker on August 30, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

scvmom2
“Facts of the case”
Fact #1 he was driving
Fact #2 she was jogging in a bike lane
Fact #3 whatever the reason he left the road and killed her.

we are all responsible when we are behind the wheel.

Posted by WolfWalker on August 30, 2008 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I wonder, if you have thought about this. What if she was your family member kill by nick, would you still be jumping to his defence?
Put your self in her families shoes or in the shoe’s of the some one who has died in a careless accident.

Posted by 2wheelsguy on August 30, 2008 at 12:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

svcmom2:

"As far as you getting that kind of info from the newspaper, I say B.S on that. I believe that kind of info could only come from a police officer, media, or someone in the court system."

The only BS is your suggestion that I've included any facts in my posts that are not in the above story. Prove me wrong; name one fact stated in any of my posts that is not in the above story. Save your B.S. for those who can't read.

"I am not trying to intimidate anyone. Just stating the truth."

Suggesting that I or others who post here will face legal action is an obvious attempt to intimidate, regardless of your dishonest efforts to characterize it as anything else. Your attempt to use intimidation to advocate the interests of the scum who killed Karey Marsh is both futile and reflective of your character.

"Final Words from me: God bless Karey & Nick !!!"

Your efforts to portray yourself as caring about Karey are incredibly nauseating. If you cared about Karey you'd push for a maximal effort at prosecuting the trash that killed her, instead of shamelessly and unsuccessfully attempting to intimidate those who want justice for Karey.

Posted by WolfWalker on August 30, 2008 at 1:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

please take time to read these
http://www.alcoholalert.com/drunk-dri...
http://www.thetrucker.com/News/Storie...
http://www.ghsa.org/html/projects/OTL...

Posted by Someonewholoves on August 30, 2008 at 1:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh it's terribly apparent that many of you on this blog have a vendetted against not Nick but his ?? parents. It also quite apparent that you know the LaGrotta family in some way. Why would you CAMDAD if you didn't have inside information say anything about his Dadddy and Step Mommy??? How would you know that he even had a Dad or Step Mommy? Why do you care if they have the Public Defender or a private attorney represent him?? Of course Nick does deserve to be punished, if he was driving under the influence, that he deserves to go to jail for life is wishful thinking on your part. It's clear that you are well versed in the court proceedings and possibly the law and what happens in court, you know that Nick will only get max. 10 years if that, but trying to make whomever is blogging on this site (family or friends) wonder and worry is your M.O. I've read all your blogs in the past, to all the other family members that come on here and shoot their mouths off because they are hurting and trying to keep a bit of hope that their family member is not the person that is being portrayed and/or charged for whatever crime it may be. Wanting them to have their day in court without being tried on a stupid newspaper discussion board. I completely understand that, to ask people to write the D.A. that's of course your perogative, but when you start putting your immature attacks on people that are not directly involved (family and friends of the accused) you lose your credibility. If you had any at all.

Posted by namaste_1 on August 30, 2008 at 4:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

camdad its so obvious you have more than one user name here on this blog. Do you really think people can't figure that out? duh? Researching you has been pretty easy too...So spend your life on line blogging (what a life that must be)
And Camdad your efforts to portray yourself as someone who actually cares about Karey & seeking justice is also nauseating it's obvious that your only concern is directed at the lagrottas and nick. You try so hard to lure people in to play your game. Yes people should pay for thier acctions but your just twisted on how you go about it.
My research on you has turned up some interesting "FACTS".

FACT: You are a professional you blog on multiple sites including alt.crime your motive and tactics are always the same, aggitate and aggrivate the defendents family and friends.

"FACT": you are either working for law enforcement, DA or the Star. No one has that much time on there hands to donate towards making sure people who break the law (no matter what the law may be) are prosecuted to the fullest extent. Unless your some modern day cowboy.

"FACT": you or someone you know must have been in court to say that Nicks Dad & step mom were not there. (You said you don't know the lagrottas so how would you know if they were not in court?) If that is not the case then you must must have access to information before the public does. That ties back into you working for either the media, law enforcement or the DA. Your comment about not being able to organize a memorial event for Karey because of your job kind of seals the deal.So why don't you collect your check on this one and move on to your next assignment COWBOY.

FACT: I'm done so don't bother responding I won't be checking back at any cost.

My thoughts and prayers are with Kareys Family and friends.

Posted by Someonewholoves on August 30, 2008 at 10:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You have continually not addressed what I have said about you having a vendetta against the LaGrotta family. Makes me feel very confident in my assessment of you. Be careful what you disclose CAMDAD101 you might get in trouble with your job. What job would not allow you to help organize a memorial run for someone that was run over by a DUI driver??????? Sounds like a pretty heartless job..

Posted by 2wheelsguy on August 31, 2008 at 8:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Namaste and someonewholoves(not!): fact - you support a scumbag who killed an innocent person. End of story.

Camdad: fact - you are doing what this community needs -- focusing attention on the prosecution of the punk responsible for Karey's death. Thank you very much for your efforts!

Posted by wolf9walker on August 31, 2008 at 11:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

no one has answered my question
What if she was your family member kill by nick, would you still be jumping to his defence?
Put your self in her families shoes or in the shoe’s of the some one who has died in a careless accident that didnt need to happin

It’s pretty sad that some people need to drink to have fun.

Posted by Someonewholoves on September 1, 2008 at 3:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

wolf9walker: I completely agree with you, this is horrible. It is some people on these discussion boards that try the accused before the courts do, that is not fair and right. At times it's hard not to judge people and make assumptions. Especially for the family of the accused. THe social status, where someone's family lives etc... has nothing to do with the crime that has been committed and that has been brought up on this board many times. I can only imagine if one of my children did such a horrible thing and then people that don't even know me start making assumptions about my parenting, where I live and what kind of money I make. That's just ignorant. It's hurtful, be angry at the accused but leave his/her family out of it.

Posted by WolfWalker on September 1, 2008 at 4:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That doesn’t answer my question, or maybe I need to rephrase it.
How would you feel and what would you do if a DUI. No.. I’ll rephrase it again
How would you feel, say or/and do, if someone kill one of your children?
DUI, DWS or driver negligence. In Glendale children were killed in a car accident, at 1st police thought, DUI. Now they say road rage.
How would you feel if it was your children?

Posted by WolfWalker on September 1, 2008 at 5:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-...

here's the story.

Posted by Spinnerhasleftthebuilding on September 1, 2008 at 7:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I grew up in Ventura County and let me begin by saying that you Camdad with your hatred, anger and obvious vendettas give my hometown a bad name. I am sorry for you that you are such an angry man. (Go ahead tell me how stupid I am and how soft on crime I obviously am)

My grandfather was nearly killed by a drunk driver while walking AGAINST traffic, I have been hit myself and my dearest friend was paralyzed from the neck down as a result of a drunk driving accident. I have no sympathy for anyone who choses to get behind the wheel after drinking and I believe LaGrotta should be punished to the full extent of the law. My heart goes out to Ms. Marsh's family and friends, it sounds as though a good person was taken far too soon.

All of that being said, I know the "Fat Cat" dad and step-mom personally and they are both genuinely good people who did there best to raise good responsible kids. It is appalling that you Camdad continue to bring up their financial status, where they live, and resort to name caling as a way of attacking this young man. There is no doubt in my mind that they are both devastated by what has happened, that they will make this young man be accountable for his actions, and they will expect Nick to pay for what he has done.

Posted by kit on September 2, 2008 at 4:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

i am guessing Camdad is in law enforcement, or some type of work in which he experiences much powerlessness - Cam, you have made your point, i challenge you to leave the judgment up to the powers that be and focus instead on positive actions toward Karey's memory - in the time you sent blogging here, you could have organized a fund raiser /memorial type tribute to her - seriously camdad - I hope you get the professional help/spiritual assistance you cry out for!

Posted by kit on September 2, 2008 at 12:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

gosh Cam, I just hope you have a nice day!

Posted by Spinnerhasleftthebuilding on September 2, 2008 at 1:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Your reference to Nick LaGrotta's "fatcat daddy" - wasn't name calling? Interesting Cam, you seem to have a different definition of name calling than the rest of the world.

I read the thread completely and it confirmed that you are nothing but a troll. It is very sad that you are exploiting a tragedy such as this just to inflame people and start arguments. You are a sad, sad man Cam.

Posted by JAD149 on September 8, 2008 at 2:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Please help in bringing all of these terrible occurences to a stop. Contact the DA at the below listed information and give him your support to help make an example out of irresponsible people like Nicholas Lagrotta that dont deserve to be free on the streets.

800 S. Victoria Ave., Ventura, CA93009
805-654-2500
da.criminal@ventura.org

Posted by JAD149 on September 8, 2008 at 2:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To forgive and anyone who questions the state of mind of Nick at the time of the accident:

Below is a small part of an article written about the state that Nick was found in after the accident.

'LaGrotta himself suffered three broken vertebrae’s and several abrasions. He told police that he had no idea that he had hit somebody. He was taken to the hospital, and after blood alcohol tests determined that he was driving under the influence of alcohol, was arrested for vehicular manslaughter and driving under the influence.'

Please dont waste anyones time any longer by trying to say he was really tired. He hit a person, two cable boxes and a large tree and had no idea. That is not a state that you can fall in to without the assistance of narcotics. You know for a fact that he was out drinking all night. Dont be so naive and lie to cover up for his poor decision making. Be happy that you at least get to hear his voice and see his face and know that because of his actions people that love Karey will NEVER have that luxury again. Stop making excuses for him. He made a tragic decision and your lies will only take you down with him. Rise above it and come to terms with the extremity of the situation.

Posted by Momofthree on September 16, 2008 at 10:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let those without sin cast the first stone! This is a terrible tragedy. My heart breaks for everyone involved, and my prayers are with them.

Posted by WolfWalker on September 17, 2008 at 10:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ok, sence I've chosen to never drink and drive, and I never have. Dose that mean I can throw more then 1 stone. How about a boulder, Or a mountain?
What about the millions of other people who choose not to drink and drive. Can they also?

“A terrible tragedy.” You called it.

“A terrible tragedy.” That could have been avoided by a simply phone call. To a friend or family, or even a taxi. A simple call could have saved two lives. A simple phone call could save about 13,000 lives ever year. Lives that don’t and shouldn’t be destroyed by a stupid choice to drive, instead of call.

http://www.alcoholalert.com/drunk-dri...
The 13,470 fatalities in alcohol-impaired-driving crashes during 2006 represent an average of one alcohol-impaired-driving fatality every 39 minutes.

I have no sympathy for drunk drivers; I only have sympathy for their families for the DUI driver’s wrong choice. Hopefully this will be a wake up call for the drunks out there. even my grandfather (who doesn’t have a computer) has a cell.

Don’t drink and drive. Make the right (the smart) choice, make the call and save your life and another’s.

Drive safely out there, the life you save could be your own.