Posted by CloudyDaze on August 27, 2008 at 5:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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Posted by ironwoman on August 27, 2008 at 6:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I guess the gangsters are energized lately and need people to shoot.

Posted by desdave on August 27, 2008 at 7:13 a.m.

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Posted by AnnaWhaat on August 27, 2008 at 7:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

desdave, Morning! Haven't see you in awhile.

Posted by oxnard40 on August 27, 2008 at 7:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Stupid Gangsters.

Don't they know about the Gang Injunction in Colonia?

Posted by desdave on August 27, 2008 at 7:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Anna, most of the time this type of story is just one more routine example of our rampant low life gang culture. This time it just seemed like such a classic example of that element that I couldn't resist. These "people" are a drain on our culture, a drain on our resources, and will never be anything else but that. That they find the praise of their peers and feelings of accomplishment in that type of activity that normal people find in their education, work etc is pathetic. That the culture that fosters it and allows it to continue is now such a large and growing part of our country truely makes me sad, and feel far less than hopeful about the future. Wow, now I need to go to work to be around normal people doing worthwhile work to get out of this mood.

Posted by whatever on August 27, 2008 at 7:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Just think how nice Oxnard use to be before it became that other country.

Posted by luv2sail on August 27, 2008 at 8 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"appears to be gang-related" ya figure?

Posted by dottiie on August 27, 2008 at 8:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What the hell is wrong with you people. Better off dead?
Doesn't that make you worst than theese gangsters? All crap aside, they are humans and yes what they do is wrong and they mess up society but instead of building all this negative energy why don't we try and help some of theese kids stay out of gangs.
FYI some of theese kids are forced into the gang but they have no choice because either way they are treated like bangers by people like you...

Posted by funkateer1981 on August 27, 2008 at 8:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

camdad101, if there wasn't any crime in oxnard, what would you do with all that time on your hands?

Posted by omie on August 27, 2008 at 8:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

what ever happened to using your fists to settle arguments.

Posted by brwnbear on August 27, 2008 at 8:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

hope they get well soon, learn from this incident

Posted by Equitable_Enforcer on August 27, 2008 at 8:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

We the people need to redirect our courts before it is too late. As I've stated before, the police do their jobs and they do it very well. They risk their lives to keep us safe. The failure in our system is with the judiciary. We are a nation of judges and the judges have failed us. Prison living conditionsunion demand weigh heavier than the safety of our families. A county-wide gang injunction is required. However, our tax dollars will fund challenges to an attempt for such an injunction. Some will claim it is discriminatory. It is not a matter of ethnicity or race. We need a county-wide injunction regarding criminal street gangs be they Hispanic, black, Asian or white supremacist.

For a starter, how about holding parents responsible if their minor children become active in a criminal street gang?

Posted by dottiie on August 27, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Camdad I have said no to drugs all my life. Thanks for your consern. Just don't think I'm gang related for speaking the truth. I don't support gangsters but they are human. Your kids are probably gang banging and when one of them get shot all theese people will be talking crap about how they deserve to die. Good luck buddy

Posted by fungus on August 27, 2008 at 8:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Really? A shooting in Colonia is gang related? Golly-Gee-Willikers, I never knew that area was gang infested.

Posted by 805grl on August 27, 2008 at 8:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dottiie...sympathy for thugs wont get you no where! No one is forced into being a gangster-wannabe and you can only help those who want to be helped.. How many have you successfully "helped"?

Posted by Scapegoat on August 27, 2008 at 8:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm beginning to believe that elements in my City of Oxnard are modeling themselves on that creature called the lemming. If your not familiar with the lemming, read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming

Basically when the perception of themselves reaches a breaking point, their behavior becomes self limiting, self destructive. Pretty funny when you realize the lemming has a brain the size of a peanut.

Posted by CloudyDaze on August 27, 2008 at 8:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Equitable_Enforcer: Right On. Seriously, and sadly, it will never get better, unless we are willing to accept much harsher measures to keep them in check and I don't think our collective will will ever be strong enough. These thugs can withstand much more hardship than we as a society are willing to dole out. Apparently the only solution now is to incarcerate them forever on their first violent offense.

Posted by goaliegirl69 on August 27, 2008 at 9:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Dottii:
I see where you are coming from, but you are not expressing your concerns in a way that is explaining how you really feel.

-Yes, these kids need help.
-Yes, we need to do more as a community to help keep kids out of gangs.
-Yes, parents need to own-up to their childrens' (as well as their own) failures and be held more accountable when their child commits crimes.
-Yes, more neighborhoods should band together and "out" gang members. Even if it means turning in your own family member!!!!

-No, we should not accept that this behavior is "forced" because we are all born of free will.
-No, we should not accept the actions of criminals.

Posted by dottiie on August 27, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh please... now I need drugs?
Can you give me some of yours?
805grl I have helped a few.. Including my little cousin whom is now in college getting better and better in his education. All I am trying to say is we are not god to judge theese teenagers
And instead of wishing them dead why don't we put more on our part and try to help them instead of turning our backs on some that use our help to become someone better in life.

Posted by CloudyDaze on August 27, 2008 at 9:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Scapegoat: Of course Lemmings are smarter than gang members, their brains are bigger! Guess gang members aren't smart enough to commit mass suicide. (wait a minute - come to think of it, isn't that what they're doing?)

Posted by brwnbear on August 27, 2008 at 9:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

These kids got a reality check, now lets just hope they do the right thing and try to be wiser and realize the streets are no joke.

Posted by axel718 on August 27, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dottie.....these gangbangers are not human, go ask Mr Singh's family......imagine for one second that it was one of your family members that was killed at an ATM and then tell me you still think they are human. These gangbangers prey on innocent people through intimidation and violence. These parasites need to be executed on sight. God forbid if you were ever a victim of gang violence because if you were I can guarantee that you would be singing a different tune.

Posted by jkaspr on August 27, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Help bangers...I dont think so...I grew up in one of the worst gang infected areas of South Snard...I made my choices..Conscious choices to NOT get involved..I made the decision..no one "helped" me...My home life was no better than some of these "boys" who made the bad decision to join a gang..It is a choice...they choose the wrong way of life...their choice..they are responsible for the consequences of their actions.

Posted by oxnard40 on August 27, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Got to remember now there is going to be retaliation.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Let's see...10 billion dollars a month fighting insurgents in Iraq or 5 billion a month cleaning up the streets of the US and making it safe to walk outside ANY neighborhood in the US by using our troops here?

Posted by jkaspr on August 27, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

juniormafia_ny...
But since I want to make camdad cranky...I now live in that no crime..no gang city he loves to brag about!
We are moving on up!

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

JR: I herrrd ya. That's funny...you, Jkaspr and me probably all went to the same Jr High too.

Posted by Latina_805 on August 27, 2008 at 9:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

lol, funny how the star said 15 year old "boy", and 17 year old "boy".

Posted by brwnbear on August 27, 2008 at 9:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

jkaspr, Good thing you made good choices as lots of us have. But this might be the turn the boys make and straighten up. Lets just hope

Posted by Miss_SoCal on August 27, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

why is everyone ganging up on dottie? i think its amazing that there are still some people out there (like dottie and i) who believe there is a little good in everybody. people who still have some home for humanity. She's not crazy or on drugs, she just has a huge heart and no one can blame her for that.

Posted by dottiie on August 27, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My brother was a victim of gang violence beaten by 3 bangers with an ax stabbed 4 times in the back and broke his left arm as he covered his head to protect it but the ax went right thru breaking his skull. He is not gang related and Im pretty much sure you will caterogize him as such anyways. I am not saying anything about Mr. Signh's family my condolences to them. I have had a fam member killed by a banger but my mom always told me to forgive those who have hurt you no matter what, to have a hate free heart and live peaceful. I am glad they caught the guy who murdered this innocent man. but what I am trying to say is that we can put more on our part to help those who do want it. And yes some are forced into gangs. They get punked and beaten and harassed until they finally get in.
I know some of you don't believe in God but I do and I know people are here to judge and say what they want, and that's what I belive and that's what I am posting.
Sorry for not spelling correctly I never said I was perfect.

Posted by brwnbear on August 27, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

latina they called them boys cause they got shot, j/k

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 9:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Dottie: You BE who you BE girl!!!

Don't pay no mind to CAMDAD, he's a big ol' bully from East Camarillo that enjoys poetry, women who shoot guns and bashing the 'Nard and in his spare time he knits. LOL!

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

JR: You need a compass homie...Frank Jr High is not on the Sick Side. A Haydock refugee huh?

Posted by missing805 on August 27, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey I grew up in a gang infested area and I did not turn to be a gang member. What about a boxing club? PAL? Science club, sports, college. I can put a million excuses why "society" has not put any attention to me.. WAAAAAA.. Stop the crying. We make our own choices. People just want an easy way to make money. WAAA, I make more money selling drugs than working 8-5. WAAA I cant afford my kids but Im pregnant with my 5th one. And no, its not just us mexicans, I know plenty of black and white people that play that card the same. Hey we all go thru hard times, now being one of them, but we make decisions that will make the hard times a little easier.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

JR: 30 minutes bus ride there and back each day? Harsh. At least you weren't part of the Frank Jr. High after school daycare provided by Colonia Chiques.

Posted by jkaspr on August 27, 2008 at 9:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BabyzDaddy_01 and juniormafia_ny ... Haycox....then Blackstock...

I dont think I bashed Dottie...She has the right to believe whatever she wants regarding her faith and how she handles her feelings towards people who have taken the choices given to them and decided to live the thug life...They get what they deserve...If that means getting shot by a rival thug..than so be it..they get ZERO sympathy from me....I also believe that there is inherent good in everyone...It is the choices that we make as human bings that determine how we live our lives...Societal pressure...family pressure...it plays a part...but we all were born with free will.

Posted by Latina_805 on August 27, 2008 at 9:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

brownbear, I think you're right.
Jr- Class of 95? I was the first graduating class at Frank. Have u checked ur email.

Posted by brwnbear on August 27, 2008 at 9:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

haydock all the way, lol

Posted by brwnbear on August 27, 2008 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No matter where we grew up, its the choices we make.

Posted by Latina_805 on August 27, 2008 at 10:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

brwnbear- I went to Fremont, then Frank. Kinda messed up my Junior High years.

Posted by dottiie on August 27, 2008 at 10:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I hated them for a couple of months till my mom slapped the cr@p out of me and told me. No jusgues a los que golpearon a tu hermano tu no eres dios y los perdonas porque tu tambien eres pecadora al igual que yo y los demas. Perdonalos como dios tambien a ti te perdonara. Yo que soy su madre ya los perdone y mi corazon esta tranquilo. Which means something like "don't judge those who beat your brother for you are not God because you are also a sinner as I am and many others. Forgive them as God will forgive you too. I am his mother and I have forgiven them and my heart is in peace."
You probably don't believe me but yeah I have forgiven them Jr.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 10:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This happens in every poverty stricken area of the country. The government simply does not care. They'd rather work for safer streets in Saddam City than in Oxnard. The sad part about this is that these kids are caught in a cycle that they cannot get themselves out of (the parents need to do it). I'm not saying give them more, I'm just saying, it's difficult to get out of the rut if Mom and Dad are in it, your whole family is in it.

It's like a VERY BAD version of a country club, CAMDAD's Grand-Pappi was part of the country club, his Dad was part of the country club, so is CAMDAD and his children will be too. Only this club's members get shot at.

Continuing to live in that rut is a choice the parents make for their kids. My parents made a choice to do "whatever it takes" to get "up out the hood". They told me, we're doing this for you, you pay us back by not getting into trouble. Not that trouble wasn't there, I used to walk to school daily with two notorious S. Side gangmembers. Their parents were screwed up and raised them the same way. These guys were just like me, only their home situation was completely different. One is dead now and the other one is in prison. What does this tell you? Is it the kids? or the parents? It's the parents.

If you choose to judge, please, share your story here about how you were raised in a tough situation and how you overcame that situation.

Posted by BeaHappi on August 27, 2008 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It is too bad that the gang life is the best choice in the eyes of the members.

But honestly, I'm just sick of it. One step forward, two steps back. When will enough be enough?

Kids shooting and killing kids...that's just great.

dottiie...that's great if you're able to forgive the gang-bangers for what they did to your family. And I agree, there should be more involvement to rid the streets of these gangs. How about we start with their parents? Aunts, uncles?

I seriously doubt that Joe Gangbanger would listen to a white, 40-something mother of two, no matter what message I was delivering.

Posted by clementine on August 27, 2008 at 10:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

They realize that they don't have the smarts to accomplish anything positive in life --- so they do negative, violent things instead. Their goal in life is to go to jail.

Posted by brwnbear on August 27, 2008 at 10:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Latina_805, but you then made a choice, which was to better yourself. Felicidades, and you know anyone can change if they really want too.

Posted by Latina_805 on August 27, 2008 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

creo que Jr me esta ignorando.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 10:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Beahappi:
It's easier to not resist the pressure they get from those around them. Parent's increased involvment would help, but having both parents work full-time and long hours in this Dubya-ocracy is tough to juggle. No child left behind made it MORE difficult for kids to think education is their ticket out. Did you know 4th graders are doing Pre-Algebra under no child left behind? (first grade: adding and subtracting, 2nd grade: muliplication and simple division, 3rd grad: long division, 4th grade: geometry and pre-algebra. WTF?!

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry people...I'm all over the place this A.M. Damn that barista for sneaking in a third shot on me!

Posted by NowHearThis on August 27, 2008 at 10:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

STAR: "The assailants were described as two teenagers."

Can anyone answer, why the STAR never gives a complete description of the perpetrators of crime in Ventura County?

I know the answer, do you?

Posted by BeaHappi on August 27, 2008 at 10:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BabyzDaddy_01...I'm not clear about your point. Obviously (and thankfully) I've not walked in the shoes of a gang-banger. I've long thought that it's tragic that they feel this is the best that life has to offer.

I'm sure the pressure to join is incredible. But there are many who do not and did not succumb to the pressure, so it can be done.

And I don't give a crap about two working parents. My mom was a single mom and my sisters and I spent a lot of time alone. We were good kids, never in any trouble, and this is due largely to our mother. She was there for us and set rules from an early age, so we knew the deal.

My husband and I both work too. I would move heaven and earth to keep my kids from getting mixed up with the wrong crowd, let alone a gang-banging crowd.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 10:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BeaHappi:

Yes, but did you grow up on Questa Del Mar or Roosevelt? Also, how much did you and your husband buy your home for and currently raise your kids in wonderful Rosepark or maybe adjacent to Durley Park?

Your situation is apples to oranges Bea. I know what you're getting it at though because I made it through, partly because I wanted to, but mostly because my parents wanted me to.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Guten Morgen CAMDAD!

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Glad you have a sense of humor.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Cuesta Del Mar...my bad.

Posted by BeaHappi on August 27, 2008 at 10:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, I did live in Colonia while in Kindergarten (Rose Ave elementary)...in the projects no less! I'm telling you, we were poor!

I grew up in South Oxnard, PV Estates, CIHS. So we certainly had our share of gang activity. In fact the brother of a close friend of mine was murdered by gang members.

As for my current situation, no, we don't live in Colonia but we've been in our tiny, 38-year old house for 14+ years and paid less than $200K for it. Our neighborhood is diverse.

I truly believe that where this is a will, there is a way. If I lived in Colonia now and started a family there, I'd start the preventative maintenance right away. Knowing that you live in a gang-infested area, why wouldn't someone do their damndest to keep their kids out of that?

Or do whatever it took to get out of there?

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 10:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

JR: Beahappi grew up with DGD around her.

Beahappi: I agree, where there's a will, there's a way, but it's more the will of the parents than the kids.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 10:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Zu viel Kaffee CAMDAD.

Posted by BeaHappi on August 27, 2008 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And kudos to all of you who did grow up in less-than-desirable areas and avoided the trouble. I'm not diminishing what that must of been like.

I'm just saying that if it was me...and my kids were at risk for joining up...I'd do whatever it took to keep them from that.

I understand that there are many contributing factors for why people join gangs, but in the end, they're just excuses. I mean, all of you avoided it...it's entirely possible.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Most, but not all...and it's Dawgz.

Posted by Why on August 27, 2008 at 10:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

wa wa wa, it's up the individual themself to decide to do good or bad. I come from a family of four we grew up in ventura ave. our parents divorced and my mom married a great abbusive husband. oldest girl is married graduated from college and is a teacher, second oldest girl is a social worker for the county of ventura, third oldest boy graduated from college degree in electrical engineering great job, fourth me graduated college business degree account manager. We all grew up in that enviroment we all made the right decisions and were ok. People need to realize no one can help you if you don't help your self. These people are a discgrace they ruin the city for everyone. Grow up!! shut your mouth and open eyes.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BeaHappi:
Ideally, yes. Likely, no. (with increasing unemployment and a broken welfare system and an overall poor economic leader at the helm)

You can't judge the opportunities by the "few" who were able to make it through those dire circumstances. That's just not a reasonable expectation. I don't know all the answers, I can only speak from my own experiences and tell you that it's not as easy as it appears.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why:
There are ALWAYS exceptions. Which generation of The Ave did you grow up in? Which years?

Posted by IslandHopper on August 27, 2008 at 10:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Use tissue, noone likes a sticky keyboard--hahahah...that was choice right there.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 10:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

JR: Yeah, they're Bloods. Not a lot of them, but they're still a Gang. I knew quite a few of them growing up. Most of them were actually cool guys to hang out with. (outside of what they did as part of the gang) I believe that's how they started out, just a bunch of neighborhood kids that hung out together all the time.

Posted by BeaHappi on August 27, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BabyzDaddy_01...I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this and move along. Life is what you make it and for the most part, no matter who you are, you know right from wrong.

Do I hope that the gang-bangers choose another (law-biding)path? Of course. Do I think it's a waste of lives that they are where they are? Absolutely.

But I'm not handing out free excuse passes for their chosen lifestyles.

Posted by BeaHappi on August 27, 2008 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BTW, not familiar with DGD but I did go to school with many samoans.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 11:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

CAMDAD: More like mini-bar size Cuervo bottle straight up.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 11:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BeaHappi: That's cool....BTW, DGD were the samoans that wore red all the time.

JR: Yes, they did.

Most of those guys were scary looking, but were actually pretty cool people if you were cool with them.

Posted by goldcoaster on August 27, 2008 at 11:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

NEWSFLASH!!!!!!

The Department of Defense has just released its' monthly statistics and has decided to divert half of the troops deployed to Iraq to Oxnard,California. Statistics confirm that the death toll in Oxnard has risen far beyond those sustained in the Iraqi war. The first troops to be deployed are the First Regiment of the Marines Colonia Chiquez anti human task force. These troops will replace the weathered OPD. President Barak Obama has decided to send in a deployment of Hillary Clinton supporters all cycling at the same time. He believes that these women must be madder than all get up and will meet the enemy with great vigor.

Posted by brwnbear on August 27, 2008 at 11:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I knew some garage dawgs in high school and they were cool dudes. One of the dawgs bro got shot a while back. His last name was Campos.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 11:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think forgiveness is an action that few can express in tough situations such as in the death of a loved one. Believers' will tell you that you MUST, but most people find it difficult, I think it should not matter whether a crime is gang-related or not, if someone takes your loved-one's life, it's your choice to forgive. To say, I forgive, unless it's gang-related is a bit off. What's the difference? Your loved one was still murdered. Is it less justified if it was thru (non-accidental/non-mistaken identity/non-stray bullet) gang violence?

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

goldcoast: ....you forgot that they will be wearing their pantsuits too.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 11:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Brwnbear: Migi's brother right?

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 11:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Goldcoast: Troops fighting gangs in Oxnard is a better explanation than the "WMD's" and "fight them over there rather than fight them over here" explanations Dubya used.

Posted by BeaHappi on August 27, 2008 at 11:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

goldcoaster...if only!

No doubt in my mind that a group of angry women could kick some serious gang a**!

I don't remember groups of samoans wearing red, but then again, I went to HS in the late 70's...so it may just be brain fade! Of the friends I had, the girls were definitely more threatening than the guys!

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 11:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BeaHappi:
Late 70's. Then you didn't have DGD back then. (that I'm aware of) It's was more the Paula Boys (Paula Street) and another gang that slips my mind right now.

Posted by BeaHappi on August 27, 2008 at 11:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh yeah, Paula Street boys...I do remember that name. Bad guys!

Posted by brwnbear on August 27, 2008 at 11:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

YES, JUNIOR, BABYS DADDY

Posted by brwnbear on August 27, 2008 at 11:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BEAHAPPI, concord and scalon too

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 11:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I grew up down the street from Concord....they turned into SouthSide.

SCALON was the one that slipped my mind.

Beahappi..you definitely grew up in a different time and level of gang activity than I did...and now...it's much worse and more difficult.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 11:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

JR: Did Danny bang too?

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 11:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Good idea High Society. They should offer it at each public elementary school each year as a requirement for all Parents with kids in public schools. Parents should be able to take paid time off for it too so that there's no excuse.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 11:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

How 'bout we end the war in Iraq and apply $5 billion of current $10 billion per month in war spending into funding these programs nationwide? If the cities have no problems that require these programs, local law enforcement can keep the money for use in other community outreach programs.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 11:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jus sayin' is all (TM)

Posted by brwnbear on August 27, 2008 at 11:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah junior that was a sad thing, babysdaddy, i dont think danny banged

Posted by goldcoaster on August 27, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BabyzDaddy

How about we just take the money and build a bunch of prisons in the hottest desert and stick them all there? And......If you ARE the baby's daddy then are you married to baby's mother? If not, what are you doing making babies? You are part of society's problem.

Posted by brwnbear on August 27, 2008 at 11:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

thammmm

Posted by lilmamma on August 27, 2008 at noon (Suggest removal)

Parent need to be parents and raise their children. Some parents know what their children are into they choose to ignore it. Too many children are being treated as adults when they are children and need guidance.Gang members commit crimes because jobs that actually pay good wages require a degree or a certificate.Oxnard doesn't offer very much in terms of employment and fast money is easy to come by and its more than minimum wage.

Posted by Why on August 27, 2008 at 12:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BabyzDaddy_01:
i was born in '83 i was the youngest the oldest was born in the 70's. it wasn't a very nice neighborhood back then. lots of stuff going on. although i must admitt it's a lot better now.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 12:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Goldcoaster: I liked your first idea (for the Camarillo Prison Hospital, that would be better than where they want to build it). Imagine the AC bill though....Or we could just give them paper fans.

As for my screenname. Your assumptions couldn't be more incorrect. I'm happily married, law-abiding, tax paying citizen as contribute as much if not more than you do to our society. My screenname was derived by the fact that I am a Father and my Daughter's nickname is "Baby"...put those together and what you do you get? Now you got it?

Apologize for your ignorant assumption. (not for the prison idea...I agree with that one..but not just for gang members...but for ALL criminals.)

Posted by SCfan01 on August 27, 2008 at 12:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Great, more taxpayer money down the drain for these terrorists!

Posted by bill on August 27, 2008 at 12:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am getting tired of people saying we have to "forgive" someone that does us wrong...why do we have to forgive? If someone makes a decision to lead a life as a low-life, dumb-a$$ gangbanger and living that life requires them to hurt others, what is there to forgive? We should learn to hate them and everything they do! They should be exterminated as any dangerous vermin should be. We as a humane race should accept our responsibility to improve our lives.. by eliminating those that make the decision to violate the rules of decency.

Posted by Just_wondering on August 27, 2008 at 12:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am sooo sick and tired of people blaming upbringing and circumstance for bad behavior. Have we really become a society that accepts people refusing to take responsibility for their own actions? I too, like several I see on here, was raised on the South side of Oxnard by a single mother who worked. It really isn't that difficult to steer clear of drugs, teen pregnancy, gangs and dropping out of high school. At 15 and 17 you know right from wrong despite what your social standing is. Circumstance is no excuse for behaving badly. These families need to take responsibility for their role in the social decline in Ventura County and not blame it on where they live or the amount of money they make (or don't make).

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 12:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BILL: You need to Chill for Reall!

(BTW, that second "L" was intentional for emphasis on pronunciation)

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 12:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just_wondering:
I too was just wondering, so do you believe that some people were BORN to make the decision to join a gang and commit crimes? You don't think the upbringing and environment in which they were raised has anything to do with it? You don't think that a parent's lack of interest in their children have anything to do with what part of society they end up in?

Posted by BeaHappi on August 27, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Of course the lack of parental guidance and support plays a part...that's why the parents should be slapped upside the head too.

But regardless...in the end it's the one who is holding the gun, knive, stick, spray-paint can, etc who is ultimately responsible.

Posted by opns on August 27, 2008 at 1:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jr. – “We made concious decisions to not involve ourselves in that…” DITTO – good for you – I bet you would agree that luck had nothing to do with it. But more, what you put into it? True, no, yes? I think Yes Don’t you just hate it when people tell you your lucky. Gee – what’s luck got to do with it. Heck I survived because like you said that conscious decision to do right. You go Jr., but you need to learn to forgive. Give yourself more credit than that, I can tell you have that sensitive touch to you. Who you trying to kid?

Dottie – “My brother was a victim of gang violence beaten by 3…” I hear ya. Good comments and beliefs. I like that. Don’t listen to these guys, they wish they had what you have. Cheers

Camdad - “Oh and I offer my condolences ahead of time to anyone who's family member gets killed in Oxnard tomorrow. I guess that's the PC thing to do now.” This is aweful. Your bad today, and as always.

All – eastside, Westside, southside hood, northside, coloniaside, westwood hood, blackstock, haycox, haydock hood, durleypark, rosepark, westpark arroyoverde blues.
Oh well. Whatever. just goofy.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 1:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Beahappi: I agree with you, however, it needs to be addressed at a younger age via the parents. So tha the gun, knife, stick or spraycan never gets into their hands to begin with. For example, why not work to get a baseball glove, a basketball, a football, a computer mouse, an artist's paintbrush or a retail store price scanner instead? Not simply: "Teach them to say no to drugs and no to gangs."

Another problem is that some people don't see the "WHY" in further education, working hard, doing the right thing. The answer needs to be something other than, "because we want to be safe from you" and "because we want you to contribute to society". Yes, sSOME people need you to draw them a picture of what they should strive to be and also to draw it out of them (but low motivation people are in every race and segment of society, the differences are the resources available to them).

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 1:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

CORRECTION:
"For example, why not work to get a baseball glove, a basketball, a football, a computer mouse, an artist's paintbrush or a retail store price scanner (IN THEIR HANDS) instead?"

Posted by Just_wondering on August 27, 2008 at 1:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BabyzDaddy - Yes I do think to some degree upbringing and environment play a small role, but I think that there is enough exposure to "better" role models and social situations through media and friends/teachers that upbringing and environment can not play as big a role in a young person's decision as many people like to think. As an example, if a child/young adult was raised by a sociopath, that child was exposed to others outside the household that would have given him another frame of reference to what normal and acceptable behavior was. There are many kids that come out of the projects/ghetto/hood (whatever you want to call it)and seek a better life, an education and go on to do great things. They were raised in the same environment as the gangbangers, but they made a choice to better themselves.

As to the notion that people are "born" to choose a gang or commit crimes - there is some evidence that brain chemistry could possibly play a role in criminal behavior, but I'm not a big proponent of the "Natural Born Killer" view.

Posted by opns on August 27, 2008 at 1:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jr - so tell me - what about the Lucky thing. I don't think luck had anything to do with me. I made a conscious effort and worked it hard to be nice and sweet, and not a mean blood-suc_ing B_tch. And it takes one to know one huh?
Answer my friggen questions wilya...

Posted by Just_wondering on August 27, 2008 at 1:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BabyzDaddy - Let me clarify - I am in no way saying the parents play no roll...I personally think you should have to go through training and be certified to have kids (way too many younger kids screwed up because lack of parenting skills) what I am saying is bottom line, as a young adult, you get to a point where you can not blame mom and dad anymore for your decisions or your actions. By your mid-teens you should have had enough outside influence to be able to know right from wrong and make an educated decision on what path you want your life to take.

Posted by opns on August 27, 2008 at 1:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

that answers my question. thanks. my same thoughts. you just validated my thinking, especially when it comes from someone that's been there dun dat

Posted by r_u_kidding_me on August 27, 2008 at 1:42 p.m.

(This thread was removed by the site staff.)

Posted by brwnbear on August 27, 2008 at 1:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

junior,you are correct we turn out to be the way we want to be, not by luck. We could of easily made bad choices but lots of us decided to do the right thing.

Posted by opns on August 27, 2008 at 1:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

(0)(0)
(='.'=)
(''')(''') for you

i'm kinda sorta new to this commenting, what does the above mean?
also, what is this: :)

i've seen so many others, i don't know what they mean, i just learned what: LOL means

What's a trick pony?
and yes, or maybe not on the sensitive stuff

after you answer what all of these mean.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just_wondering:

I think part of the problem today is that parents do NOT play more of a role in raising their kids. As you said, (however, I disagree on the positive effects of such), "there is enough exposure to "better" role models and social situations through media and friends/teachers that upbringing and environment can not play as big a role in a young person's decision as many people like to think" I think that's part of the problem. Teachers are to be part of the child's world, but they should not be full raising your kids, the media should DEFINITELY not be raising your kids, their friends should be influencing (positively), but not be raising your kids.

I agree that people should be trained and certified before they have kids. (I don't know how that could happen though if people insist on cutting back on social programs.)

I for one, agree that it's ultimately the kid's decision to follow one path or the other, HOWEVER, it is ultimately the parent's responsibility to ensure that the kids they brought into this world are taught the differences between right and wrong. They're shown how to make informed decisions and how to think of the potential impact such decisions have on society and their lives. As parents, teach them everything they need to know...right up to the point where they make their decision. If you do THAT, and the kid STILL makes a bad decision, THEN, it is not the parent's fault, but it is the kid's mistake. But I find it hard to believe that most of these gangmembers are getting THAT much support at home and that much teaching and that much role-modeling before they decided to take this path in life.

Posted by daugtherofimmigrant on August 27, 2008 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

High_society - "Also, I blame the Catholic Church for looking down upon birth control and letting some people breed".

You are not insinuating that Catholics are the only ones who give birth to these wonderful gang bangers right?
Although Catholics do not approve of birth control they do approve of natural family planning which has worked for many people. There are also many other ways of preventing getting pregnant without using birth control.

Birth Control doesn't always work.

I am sure you know that several Catholics do use birth control anyway even if it isnt approved by the religion.

Catholic Church also says that you should not have sex before marriage, not very many people are listening to this either.

Just saying.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 1:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OPNS: It's a bunny. Step pack a few inches from the screen and look at the design.

Posted by brwnbear on August 27, 2008 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

People that make bad choices always have an excuse or blame someone else but never themselves.

Posted by r_u_kidding_me on August 27, 2008 at 2:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

why are you blaming the church and making excuses? the main source, if any of you have taken an econ class or read an econ book is LOW INCOME!!!
get a clue people

low income = trouble in more ways than one!

Posted by opns on August 27, 2008 at 2:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I've seen that your very protective and considerate of your immediate close commenters and your little group of friends here. So with that, yes, your a sensitive person. I also notice you give thought to your answers, your a whip.

Oh yea, it's a bunny, i see it now.

I guess my trick pony would be to make people happy and to pray, i try to be happy to make up for all the tough times. Be happy. Like Bea.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 2:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

r_u_kidding_me:
REALLY? You don't say? What ELSE can you teach us oh wise one? (end sarcasm)

Low income is BOTH a contributing factor as well as a derivative of the social issue at hand. It's part of this cycle in society that keeps a lot of people from getting ahead. It's the reason why people who are aware of this issue want more social programs that will help those caught in this rut to realize that there is more than 1 "shiny penny" (figuratively) in this world. Those programs should help them realize that if they try, they can get to that place in society. (and by social programs, I'm not talking about welfare)

Everyone that doesn't get out, is simply left fighting for the same shiny penny.

Posted by dont_trip on August 27, 2008 at 2:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

juniormafia_ny,
Do you have a life? Try getting one I have seen atleast 30 comments posted by you...

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 2:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dont_trip: It's called multi-tasking.

Posted by opns on August 27, 2008 at 2:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

JR - "Just did a 'ctrl + F' on the word 'luck', I never once brought luck up."

i didn't say you did - No you didn't, i brought it up. i was just getting your opinion on the word luck. control

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 2:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dont_trip: He also probably types 70+ WPM.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 2:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

CAMDAD: Why the ethnic food? (carne asada) Come on man!...we were making progress!!! (LOL)

Posted by brwnbear on August 27, 2008 at 2:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

lol, lotta haters in here

Posted by opns on August 27, 2008 at 2:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

if we all saw eye to eye, we'd be very boring. yea, even camdad. awee camdad. like i said, i don't care what they say about ya, your alright.

HI high - your right - i think woman should have the a choice. although i myself don't condone abortion. it's still a womans right - does the husband have or boyfriend have any say? I think yes, because it's his baby too, if he wants to raise the baby and give it a good life.

Posted by whatever on August 27, 2008 at 2:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by dont_trip on August 27, 2008 at 2:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

juniormafia_ny,
Do you have a life? Try getting one I have seen atleast 30 comments posted by you...

Unfortunately this is the only life this person has...it is a daily thing and he loves to attack peoples opinion because it isn't his!

Posted by BeaHappi on August 27, 2008 at 2:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dont_trip...Stop, walk away from your computer or you too will be pulled into the commenting addiction. It always starts the same way...find the website, read a few comments, laugh to yourself or think about how dumb some of the posters are.

But then one day you post something...and then you comment on another story...and then someone responds to your post so you post again...before you know it, you're in the "comments addiction zone."

From voyeur to participant in no time at all...

Welcome aboard...you'll be back.

Posted by r_u_kidding_me on August 27, 2008 at 2:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

babyzdaddy, you guys crack me up making excuses "oh its the church, oh it's the parents" boo whoo

Posted by BeaHappi on August 27, 2008 at 2:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, at least whatever has a new friend.

Now back to this article...any updates on how these two "angels" are doing?

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 2:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

r_u_kidding_me:
Maybe you should stop laughing and start thinking a little more about the issue.

Your "reason" is simply: "Low income"...might as well have said: "because". Elaborate some more and your comments will carry more weight.

Not to speak about the church being the problem as I dont' agree with that statement. However, the parents ARE the problem and play more than a small role. If you can't see that, you either need to take more than your 1 econ class bud or you aren't a parent.

Posted by josess on August 27, 2008 at 2:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DONT_TRIP,
I thik that your jealous because no one knows you.

JUNIORMAFIA,
Keep it up i like your blogs.

Posted by brwnbear on August 27, 2008 at 2:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

beahappi, I think they just want attention, lol

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 2:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

JR: I was blaming the parents for not doing more. Not saying it's SOLELY their fault, but to say it's ONLY the kid's fault when the parent failed to raise them right is not a strong enough argument. In my opinion.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 2:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Beahappi:

According to my sources, they were evading the shots, as a result, their wounds were not life threatening.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 3 p.m. (Suggest removal)

JR: That's where we go to the McInerny case. Some believe you don't learn right and wrong until your approx 18 yrs old because the brain physically is not capable of making those types of comparison and conclusions. Thus, they don't believe in the adult trial for Brandon.

Again, I believe that if the parents raise their kids to learn how to see right from wrong, the kids will make a better informed decision when it comes time to decide whether to succumb to the tempation of their friends and criminal activity or to say "it's not for me". Without the parental guidance, the kid's left to develop their own interpetation of what's right and what's wrong...sometimes among bad influences.

Posted by camarillomomma on August 27, 2008 at 3:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Leave JrMafstud alone people!! he's a cool cat :)

Dont_trip --must be new to this...

Camdad is alright, he keeps us all on our toes..

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 3:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I used to take offense to what CAMDAD posted, but now I just think he's a "lustiger mann".

Posted by missing805 on August 27, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You know your city is crappy when your city appears on a $tupid MTV show about young people who get busted by police..

Busted.MTV.com

Posted by whatever on August 27, 2008 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BeaHappi I have lots of friends, that is why I don't need to be on here posting all day long. I actually have a life. I think we can see on here who doesn't.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How do you know us Whatever? Please. Explain how we don't know you, but you somehow know us.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 3:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

JR: He took/stole the gun from his grandfather's stash/collection. (but that's for another article)

Posted by whatever on August 27, 2008 at 3:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BabyzDaddy_01 you might be very surprised.

Posted by BeaHappi on August 27, 2008 at 3:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I didn't say that you didn't have any friends...I said that now you have a NEW friend...another JR hater.

Contrary to what you might think, I actually have a GREAT life and this is just part of it!

And in all sincerity I have to say that posting here has made me more aware of what's going on in my community. I make my opinions and feelings known to public officials, and have a sense of camaraderie with my fellow posters. Even when we disagree.

In case you haven't heard, social networking is a huge part of our society and this is just yet another vehicle.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 3:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Whatever: Not likely.

Posted by r_u_kidding_me on August 27, 2008 at 3:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

babyzdaddy:
why do I need to elaborate? Can you not think for yourself?

there are many factors that lead to crime, you cannot only blame, religion, parenting, income. Collectively, they all play a role

Posted by opns on August 27, 2008 at 3:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

whatever - okay, bye.

Posted by BeaHappi on August 27, 2008 at 3:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"...so, when do we resume spanish 101?"

junior...please don't resume...it made my head hurt because I could kind of figure things out but not entirely. I know, my bad for not being bilingual!

Or maybe you could add subtitles! ;~)

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 3:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BeaHappi:
Unlike most of us on this thread, "Whatever" cannot take criticism as well as he dishes it out. He also cannot stand the fact that someone might have an opinion on a topic other than his own. He mistakes debate for insults and vice versa.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

r_u_kidding_me: "Can you not think for yourself?"
Are you kidding me???!!?!

Of course there are many factors that contribute...your original post pointed solely to a factor that most on this board have already acknowledged (low income). Go back and read it yourself.

Besides, it seems like you contradicted yourself. Re-read your posts and you'll see what I'm referring to. First you laugh and call them excuses and then you post that they all play a role. So which are they? Are they excuses or do they play a role?

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 3:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Good lookin' out JR!

Posted by whatever on August 27, 2008 at 3:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BabyzDaddy_01 can you please post something that is intelligent and worth reading. I know you are trying very hard to show your real personality and that you have a thought or maybe two, but you really should try a real debate sometime. If you went to H.S it was offered. You should have taken the class. It would show you how it is done, not the way you think you are doing it on here.

Posted by camarillomomma on August 27, 2008 at 3:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jr.Mafstud and Babyzdaddy_01 I think you have stalkers!! uh humm....

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 3:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Whatever:
You're funny...and what university did you graduate from? Please? As I said before, I'm almost certain I received a better education than you.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 3:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

CAMGURL: I think so. Personally, I think Whatver is a R.A.D. kid with "belonging" issues.

Posted by camarillomomma on August 27, 2008 at 3:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

oh yah jr.mafstud--what's ur email? for the Spanish stuff...

Posted by brwnbear on August 27, 2008 at 3:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lotta people come and attack the posts , but they don't have no good arguments. (haters)

Posted by fmr805 on August 27, 2008 at 3:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What is going on in Oxnard?! Shootings every day now!

At least they don't do drive-bys ... yet. Let's hope they don't start.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ROFLMAO!!!!!

Thanks CAMDAD!!!

Posted by manolovta on August 27, 2008 at 4:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I will bet a huge amount of money that if you punish the parents of gang bangers, taggers and any other person that is a low life that crime will come to a near stop. If you kick them out of housing and take away the welfare that they live off every time that one of their kids breaks the law I will bet you that crime will drop. Make the parents clean the walls for 40 hour aweek if their not employed earn you ebt card. If such a law is in place alredy then some one needs to enforce it.

Posted by whatever on August 27, 2008 at 4:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If the borders had been closed to the south many yrs ago, you would not have the crime that CA has now and that is a fact. As long as you have people that think they are above the law, you will have Oxnard in the daily news....Who else really lives there? Not anyone I would socialize with. Funny when people have a better account of who they are and what they want in life, they live in better places and better area's. You get what you pay for and we are paying for the open borders and all their ilk. And people that claim crime happens everywhere, oh really? No it doesn't happen everywhere because people that take pride in themselves don't go around shooting and robbing and looking for everyone else to take care of them. I never bought into the low income crap because people many yrs ago lived ion poverty and they didn't go out killing for the fun of it. Seems it is a cultural thing in CA and the deep south.

Posted by whatever on August 27, 2008 at 4:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Camdad101 your so well versed, your points just make me want to ponder them all day long. But it gives me gas.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 4:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Waiting on an answer that will never arrive...

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 3:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Whatever:
You're funny...and what university did you graduate from? Please? As I said before, I'm almost certain I received a better education than you.

Posted by whatever on August 27, 2008 at 4:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BabyzDaddy_01 I hope you didn't hurt your head too bad while you were rolling on that floor.

Posted by fmr805 on August 27, 2008 at 5:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Whatever

Your oversimplification and lack of education as to this country's history saddens me. Public school perhaps. California became part of the U.S. later than other states. Therefore, your border comment is essentially inaccurate. Furthermore, many of us are from the same or similar culture as these pathetic gang bangers, but we are educated and law-abiding citizens. Please don't reduce your comments to blaming this on cultural origin. It just tells us volumes about your bigotry.

A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding state of mind.

Posted by whatever on August 27, 2008 at 5:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

patticakepatti ahh your just mistaken lol

Posted by whatever on August 27, 2008 at 5:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

fmr805
Playing the bigot card again? If it isn't the race card it is the bigot one. Not surprised because facts and stats just seem to be overlooked by certain people who don't like them. I am well aware that their is plenty of educated people out there, Oxnard is not one of the places. Your argument doesn't hold water about me though, but that is OK because that is what you do. Your entitled as well as I.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 27, 2008 at 5:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

fmr805:

Whatever's not worth the effort. Many have tried, but unfortunately, there's no hope for Whatever.

The more he posts, I REALLY DO think he's a R.A.D. kid with "belonging issues".

Posted by reality_awareness on August 27, 2008 at 5:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Think they had medical insurance?

Posted by slkrchck on August 27, 2008 at 5:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

wow 242 comments? i just came in to see what was up with that. looks like commentary. i'm not even caring much anymore. sad,huh?

Posted by steveb36701 on August 27, 2008 at 7:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by whatever on August 27, 2008 at 4:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"...I never bought into the low income crap because people many yrs ago lived ion poverty and they didn't go out killing for the fun of it. Seems it is a cultural thing in CA and the deep south."

I take great offense at this comment. I relocated to the "deep South" and our crime is NOTHING like what goes on there, especially juvenile crime. What crime there is is dealt with swiftly and severely. No handwringing, blaming parents, society, etc. EXAMPLE: In today's paper, a man who was found guilty of killing another person, was sentenced to life in prison without parole. The comments following were tearing the jury a new one for not giving him the death penalty. Please, get over your outdated stereotype of the "Deep South". Deliverance was a movie, not real life.

Unlike California, people here have respect for one another and have very little tolerance for criminals. As I said, they are dealt with swiftly and severely. We also, unlike CA, have the right to carry firearms which goes a long way as a deterrent to crime, and when a person protects themselves, their property, or even another person, there is no penalty. Perhaps CA and especially Oxnard should think about that.

Posted by 805girl on August 27, 2008 at 7:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

you ppl. cant even stop commenting about jeffrey in another article. God forbid you loose a family member, friend or even a child to gang violence. I dont agree with gangs, but they are reality and they are here to stay. The focus should be on how as a society we can make changes in our community, not wishing that these kids kill eachother. I know ppl in gangs, ex-gang members, and to the ppl that have never came across knowing somebody in that situation. Than you should not comment on it. Gangs are a problem of poverty, culture, and ignorant ppl. who want to get rid of violence with violence- makes no sense. And if you ever do loose a loved one to gang violence- guess what if hurts just as bad as losing someone who isn't a gang member. Some of these kids dont even have family that can teach them right from wrong, so who's fault is it?

Posted by BeaHappi on August 27, 2008 at 8:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, one step to diminishing gang activity is to stop making excuses for it. There are of course contributing factors but where there is a will, there is a way.

If you don't agree with gang activity then why don't you tell your gang-banging friends that?

I just don't understand why these guys keep trying to kill each other. For what? For another funeral with a mother crying about what a good boy he was? For tributes on car windows? For what?

These gang-bangers can stop all of this crap TODAY if they wanted to.

Posted by BeaHappi on August 27, 2008 at 8:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey steveb...long time, no "see." Glad that you're still happy with the move. Not much has changed here...as you can tell.

Still hanging in there...not ready to leave my beloved California just yet.

Posted by keepin_it_real on August 27, 2008 at 8:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

More than half of these posts are not only way off topic, they have nothing to do with the topic. By the time I got done scrolling thru them I forgot what the topic was.

STAR,
Why don't you do anything about this?

"Discussions should not stray from the subject of the story or editorial"

I appreciate those who know each other acknowledge each other and discuss the matter at hand, but this is ridiculous. I like to participate, but by the time I get to it, it is so far from the topic I don't know where to begin. Then, in another article, some were discussing back and forth in spanish.

STAR, you need to do something about this !!!

Posted by 805girl on August 27, 2008 at 8:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BeaHappi- There is no excuse and for your info. I do have ppl. in my life who have left that life behind, and of course they can do it. But they need support not comments like some I have been reading.

This is something that ppl. are taught, so why don't you stop talking and start thinking about ways to help not on what to comment.

Posted by BeaHappi on August 27, 2008 at 8:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I do both 805girl...I post here and I look for ways to help. First and foremost I am raising my kids to be law-biding, good people.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. There are many programs that exist to help kids stay out of or get out of gangs. All the support in the world won't do a darn thing if people don't want to change.

It's sad to me that the gang lifestyle is thought to be the best option for these guys. Such a waste of lives.

Posted by 805girl on August 27, 2008 at 9:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That I agree with it is a waist of young lives. I feel sorry for anybody who has ever been involved in any kind of violence, for the victims and their family, the person who commits a horrible crime and their family who have to see their love on behind bars. For the children who are left without a parent. And most of all, I feel sorry for anyone who thinks ppl. who commit a crime, should not be forgiven and they deserve to have their life taken. Nobody deserves that.

And I hope your children follow in your foot steps and grow up to be law-bidding citizens as I hope that for my child. But, In the case they do not. I hope soceity gives them a second chance because I know I will.

Posted by Why on August 28, 2008 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Whatever:
Whats with the need to always be bashing and generalizing a whole culture and a whole group of people. Crime does happen everywhere just not to the same degree it does elsewhere. There is no excuse for the crimes commited by people. They know right from wrong and excuses don't get anyone anywhere. please do me a favor and dont generalize a whole culture. there are many well educated, intelligent, hardworkig people that live in oxnard that wish it was a better place. Some of us try to make it a better place and some like these punks just make it worse for everyone.

Posted by caffeinefree on August 28, 2008 at 10:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jr and Babyzdaddy, should t