Posted by CloudyDaze on August 24, 2008 at 6 a.m. (Suggest removal)

TECHUSER: They're a lot LESS sick than the freak who killed Lawrence King. Methinks you're a homophobe. Are YOU a sicko, too?

Posted by opns on August 24, 2008 at 6:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Nice story.

Posted by ironwoman on August 24, 2008 at 6:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Slkchck- Larry was killed because Brandon is a sick kid. It doesn't matter how much Larry pursued him (which I doubt he did). It was Brandon's relentless hate that made HIM kill Larry.

Stop with the Larry aggressively and relentless bs. It's sickening already.

Glad Larry was honored. He deserves something good out of this.

Posted by CloudyDaze on August 24, 2008 at 7:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

slkrchck: A flambouyant cross dressing 7th grader stalking? The term "stalker" implies someone who is intent on secretly following and HARMING their victim. Larry might have been pestering and embarrassing Brandon but stalking? Oh Please. Who ever said that this "puppy love" should be encouraged? That comment doesn't make sense. Try decaf and a little less "Wake and Bake" before hitting the keyboard.

Posted by NothingButTheTruth on August 24, 2008 at 7:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Frankly I'm offended by the group's exploitation of King's demise to perpetuate their cause. If anything, they should have taught Larry not to push his philosophy on others... such as Brandon. If they had, Larry might still be alive.

Posted by Rocket81 on August 24, 2008 at 7:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

One could see this coming from miles away. This group is a bunch of freaks who should take some of the blame for the kids death.

Posted by CloudyDaze on August 24, 2008 at 8:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Rocket81: And exactly how are they to blame? If someone killed a religious zealot, would you also hold the zealot's church responsible?

Posted by iseepeeple on August 24, 2008 at 8:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Had the openly gay assistant principal at EO Green, Joy Epstein, had been more responsible in handling the situation that was brought to her attention in a reasonable manner, as she was required to do for all parties involved, instead of bending the school rules and allowing Larry to cross dress and encouraging him to "express himself" freely because SHE felt it was his constitutional right and it pushed HER agenda as well....Larry King would have been alive today.

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Posted by ironwoman on August 24, 2008 at 8:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Rocket81- There may be some extremist out there wearing their pink fluffy outfits...okay, they have issues. But there are homosexual people out there that aren't flamboyant nor do they throw their sexual identity at others. I have several friends who are gay and do not act in such manner. In fact they are professionals who have the same intentions in life as I do...which is a good thing.

I don't think that "this group" has any blame on Larry's death. How can this be? Larry had troubles and seemed almost lost. He may or may not have been gay...who knows. It could have been a front. Many kids in the system, locked up and in placements have many false identities and portray themselves as something else. Who knows. We will never know.

Posted by ironwoman on August 24, 2008 at 8:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

iseepeople---
In the front page on the Star the day after Larry was shot and killed, there was a girl with pink hair being held by her Mother in front of the school. She was crying.

Now, how in the heck is pink hair allowed but not Larry dressing like a girl? Nobody is even mentioning that....because it's normal for kids to color their hair pink? I don't think so.
If Larry should have been held to that standard, so should all the others...including the gothic looking kids, homies dressing in plaid, khakis, white t-shirts and shaved heads, and punk rockers and the kids sporting body piercings all over their bodies.

If the school is to BLAME, then they should hold ALL of the ABOVE MENTIONED to the same standard.

The ultimate blame is the evil kid that killed him. And I am still waiting to hear about the gun owner...he/she is legally responsible for locking that weapon up and ensuring the protection of others.

Posted by CloudyDaze on August 24, 2008 at 8:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

TECHUSER: You just wish I was.

Posted by iseepeeple on August 24, 2008 at 8:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ironwoman fancy meeting you here! You say "Larry was killed because Brandon is a sick kid. It doesn't matter how much Larry pursued him (which I doubt he did). It was Brandon's relentless hate that made HIM kill Larry."

I think you need to brush up on the facts of this story before you blurt something out there that is hurtful and just not true. You are willing to stick it to Brandon before you really know the full details of this case.
Larry was no angel either. He didn't deserve death, on that we can agree , but there were a lot of adults who let both of these boys down which lead to it.

Posted by handyhood on August 24, 2008 at 8:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Everybody is fogeting that Brandon was the same age as Larry. They were children people. Children are not evil, or sickos. They have immature problems that they handle as children do. Larry was missguided and did things that he wasn't told the consiquinces that could occur by doing these things. Brandon, also missguided. The fault belongs to the system and the people who were suppose to be guiding these two into adulthood. Why aren't both sets of parents on trial? Why isn't the teacher and counselors being held accountable? Brandon is NOT an adult,so lets quit trreating him as if he where!!!

Posted by handyhood on August 24, 2008 at 8:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Cloudydaze and techuser you two both need to grow up.

Posted by NavalAviator on August 24, 2008 at 8:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I still do not understand why Mr. McInerney resorted to the use of a gun against Mr. King's conduct first. Physical confrontation was skipped and he went straight to deadly force. Although, I admit, having never been pursed by a homosexual, I do not fully understand the dynamics of the event. I do not know gays to pursue the non-interested.

Posted by ken10 on August 24, 2008 at 8:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Techuser PROVES everyday that right wing nutjobs keep getting dumber and dumber.

Posted by iseepeeple on August 24, 2008 at 8:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ironwoman..I do agree with you on the dresscode for the entire school. Both of my daughters attended EO Green, and the staff there (who was excellent at the time) ENFORCED the dresscode. Yes this was back. before Epstein and a few others entered the picture.
This Newsweek story pretty much covers all the points regarding the King case very well.I noticed that the link to the pdf file I had to the 2006-2007 EO Green dresscode has been diabled. It clearly listed what every child was REQUIRED to wear to school. Somewhere down the road, someone with some authority dropped the ball on all of that and allowed kids to break the rules..and in this case, encouraged it.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/147790

Posted by lrgvanman on August 24, 2008 at 9:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What,s really sick is when a sicko becomes a martyr at the result of other sickos.

Posted by ROLL_IT_UP on August 24, 2008 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

myOpenyun, everyday in a heterosexual persons life they are allowed to walk down the street holding hands w/their loved one, kiss in public, marry eachother and so on. You are shoving your lifestyle down the throats of homosexuals by not wanting them to have the same basic human rights as you. It's about equality, not about shoving their "gayness" in your face.

Posted by ironwoman on August 24, 2008 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry Handyhood,
But there are evil and sick kids in this world...no doubt. Are you telling me when Jeffery Dahmer was picking up road kill when he was 8 years old, he wasn't sick? And then he grew up he killed people and stuck their bodies in refrigerators? Well, sounds like a sick person to me.

iseepeople- I didn't finish my sentence when I wrote in parenthesis (which I doubt he did)---I was referring to slkchck's "stalking" comment. From what I read in the newsweek article, Brandon bullied Larry because Larry was gay. Brandon was a bully period. AND I am not twisting facts around either or need to brush up on them, I am pretty clear as to what I have read. I am sure there's more that hasn't been open to the public.
Since you read the newsweek article, you also read that Brandon planned it. There's no doubt that he planned to kill him. So, I am going to stick it to him...he didn't have the right to kill Larry. Nobody has that right. Not even gang members have the right to kill their rival. Murder is Murder and murderers belong in prison...and let's not get into that subject.

BUT AS far as the article....good for Larry.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on August 24, 2008 at 10:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

slkrchck,Puppy love? Your kidding right? It was humiliation and embarrassment!!!!!!! It threw him over the edge mentally.
ironwoman ,Obviously you haven't read all the articles on this. Even Brandons friends witnessed all of this .How would you like to be playing basketball with your friends and some gay kid comes up to you and asks you to be his valentine?
NothingButTheTruth , I absolutely agree!!!! They didn't care then did they. Wonder about the game guess the number of condoms in the jar was played by the kids too???sick.........
Rocket81 ,Your right !
iseepeeple , I agree, I think the teacher is just as much at fault here. Hope they fire her!
TECHUSER, I think you should lay off Cloudydaze! You need to shut it! Cause no one wants or cares to hear you!!!!
ironwoman , A girl with some pink in her hair is not enough to make people stare all day. Now maybe if her cleavage was showing or have her tummy now that would get attention. Your wayyyyyyyyyy off base!
TECHUSER,omg! your nose and no telling what else is up someones dark moist place!!!!! How dumb was that comment of yours?
myOpenyun , Great comment. THey will try and try to push thier sick ways on everyone who does not agree with them. God I wish they would all go back to the darn closet so I don't have to be disgusted with this............

Posted by ROLL_IT_UP on August 24, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

AnnaWhat, you too are trying to push your sick views on those who do not agree with you, how hypocritical of you.

Posted by iseepeeple on August 24, 2008 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ironwoman...I don't think we read the same article. I posted it up there..if anyone cares to read it. I still feel the school let these kids down. They had a certain amount of responsibility towards the rights of Brandon as well..but they gave it all up for Larry.
Hell, even Larry's brother went to complain to one of the staff about his brother being allowed to dress in drag..he begged that person to do something about it as even he was being harassed by some of the kids on campus because he was Larry's brother. He was obviously embarassed by his brothers actions. Failure all the way around where the adults were concerned here.

Annawheat...HI YA!

Posted by LandLostViking on August 24, 2008 at 10:58 a.m.

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Posted by SocialResponsibility on August 24, 2008 at 11:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

After reading all these posts, I am saddened and sorry to say that I am ashamed to call Ventura County my home. I would have liked to call it a loving and understanding community but unfortunately, that isn't the case. Tolerance is defined as "a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, practices, race, religion, nationality, etc., differ from one's own; freedom from bigotry," something I feel is lacking from some of these posts. The controversy regarding Larry's murder aside, I feel that we are all members of one community and should embrace the differences among us. myOpenyun, no one is pushing their beliefs on you and I'm sorry you feel that way, we simply wish to coexist and have the same rights and responsibilities as heterosexual men and women. The purpose of these festivals is to show the entire community that heterosexuals, homosexuals, and everyone in between can coexist and have a mutual respect for one another. I wish that they would come around more often.

Posted by iseepeeple on August 24, 2008 at 11:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

From the Newsweek article...Epstein's name just keeps coming up doesn't it? I would love to see her do some time for this as well. Sad thing is, I doubt she will..Brandon will be her scapegoat. Very sad that Larry didn't even consider the feelings nor did he respect his own brother enough to step down off his soap box and conform to the schools obedience/dress code standards. He wanted to flaunt his gay lifestyle...very much like those in the gay pride festival. The more flamboyant and loud they are..the better they like it. This is why Larry is gone today.

"There was an unusual student complaint, too. Larry's younger brother, Rocky, 12, also attended E. O. Green, and the kids started picking on him the day in January when Larry showed up in hot pink knee-length boots. Rocky says he went to several school officials for help, including Epstein. "I went up to her at lunchtime," he says. "I said, 'Ms. Epstein, can you stop Larry from dressing like a girl? The kids are saying since Larry is gay, I must be gay, too, because I'm his brother'."

Posted by ROLL_IT_UP on August 24, 2008 at 11:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well said Socialresponsibility, I agree 100% some of these hateful ignorant comments make me rethink my decision to raise my children in such a hateful county.

Posted by ROLL_IT_UP on August 24, 2008 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

iseepeople, not all homosexuals are flamboyant or flaunting their lifestyle. I bet you there are gay people in your life that you don't even know are gay. Majority of gay people are just as normal as you or I.

Posted by iseepeeple on August 24, 2008 at 11:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

SocialResponsibility..I agree with you..it really is all about mutual respect. That is the key on both sides of the issue. I have a lot of gay friends and I love them just like I love my straight friends...because they DO show that mutual respect we all need to get by in this world. They understand that they don't have to flaunt their sexuality in my face..because, that really is the only difference between us. Everything else outside of that particular aspect of our lives spells humanity.

Posted by ironwoman on August 24, 2008 at 11:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ieepeople and Annawhaat- I read the article. I am clear as to what I write...no confusion.

Annawhaat- That was a pretty hypocritical comment....don't push your sick views on others. You just pushed one on me...if a woman asked me to be her valentine, I can kill her if I am disgusted enough with it? Sorry, nice try but it didn't give Brandon the right to kill Larry.

Posted by iseepeeple on August 24, 2008 at 11:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Roll-It-Up...

See you judged me before I was able to post my last post to Socialresponsibility. That is what is wrong with SOME gays as well. They are willing to judge those who are straight before they know who we are and what we believe. That is no different than a black judging a white as being a bigot..just because they are white. It's called stereotyping..and it runs BOTH ways.

Posted by ROLL_IT_UP on August 24, 2008 at 11:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

iseepeople, how was I judging you? I simply stated not all gay people are as flamboyant as some of those in the gay pride parades.

Posted by iseepeeple on August 24, 2008 at 11:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Roll-it-up...it sounded like it to me. If I am wrong..accept my apology.

Posted by ROLL_IT_UP on August 24, 2008 at 11:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The issue is SOME straight people assume that all gay men are walking around in pink tu tu's and hitting on every straight guy they see. People need to realize that not everyone is like that stereotype. Like Socialresponsibility said, it's all about coexisting.

Posted by iseepeeple on August 24, 2008 at 11:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Roll-it-up...You assumed that I was thinking that as well...however, I know better. I know that not all of them are flamboyant nor do they walk around in tutus..geeze..give some of "us" some credit will ya? It's not ALLLL about co-existing..it's about mutual respect. If we have that, the rest comes a lot easier.

Posted by ROLL_IT_UP on August 24, 2008 at 11:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

iseepeople your comment spoke for itself

" He wanted to flaunt his gay lifestyle...very much like those in the gay pride festival. The more flamboyant and loud they are..the better they like it. This is why Larry is gone today."

You were judging gay people as being loud and flamboyant, I was commenting off of that statement by stating that not all gay people are like that.

Posted by eclipsewatcher on August 24, 2008 at 11:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You folks are scary.

Ever heard of the concept "presumption of innocence"? The accused is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt . . . in a court of law. Whether you agree with it or not, the same concept applies to everyone under the Constitution. Everybody deserves his or her day in court.

I wouldn't want any of you on my jury, and would petition the court for a bench trial and bypass your a***es!

Regards.

Posted by iseepeeple on August 24, 2008 at 11:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

OK Roll_it_up...last word on this one for me. Just the fact that there is a festival for this speaks for ITSELF. Why do they need a festival for it? We don't hold heterosexual parades just because we are heterosexual do we? I suppose you will think I am a homophobic for stating such a thing..but I am not. I would raise an eyebrow to ANYONE who was "acting out" in public because it goes against my grain personally. *NOTE* I said raise an eyebrow...not raise a fist. I wouldn't walk up to them and shove my fist or a sign in their face and say hey...look at me! I am straight and I am proud!
I don't need a parade or festival to show the county I live in that I am who I am...I would just hope people would smile and accept me for who I am..and if they don't..ehhhhh who cares?

Posted by iseepeeple on August 24, 2008 at noon (Suggest removal)

eclipsewatcher...now tell us how you really feel.

Posted by rebel123 on August 24, 2008 at 12:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am so disgusted by the continued comments that somehow Larry brought this on by pushing Brandon over the edge with his alleged advances. Brandon had options to complain to someone about it. He had options to ignore it. He had options to get a restraining order if it was as egregious as so many of you seem to think it was. It was his inability to contain his impulses and he chose to shoot Larry rather than to follow a less violent course of action. Suggesting that Larry brought this on himself is the same skewed logic that claims rape victims "wanted it" based on their attire. Has anyone considered that Larry was also tormented constantly and his acting out toward other boys was his means of turning it back on them? He found the single most effective method of upsetting his tormentors (and Brandon was allegedly one of them). I would also guess that Larry was a child who had long ago resorted to getting attention in negative and inappropriate ways because that was likely the only way he ever got attention as a child. Regardless of your feelings about gays, no amount of "pursuit" on Larry's part justifies Brandon's actions. If anything, our homophobic, macho culture put Brandon in a position where he felt his masculinity was so assaulted that he resorted to murder. Anybody want to think about that? How sick is our society that a young boy finds the attention of another boy so horrible that he kills him? It is the uncompromising, ignorant, insensitive, all consuming hate that is displayed in some of these posts that pushed Brandon over the edge.

Posted by SocialResponsibility on August 24, 2008 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think what is happening here is a perfect example of what happens on a much larger scale. The conversation here has moved away from the topic of this article, the Gay Pride Festival and the purpose it set out to accomplish, and has migrated to an argument regarding an ongoing criminal proceeding. The two topics are related, I can't deny that, but I believe that the problem lies in the fact that when discussing controversial issues, the argument shifts, becomes heated, and nothing gets accomplished. I truly believe this is one of the reasons why equal rights have had such an uphill battle in this country.

With regard to iseepeople's last post, I agree that these festivals can become somewhat outlandish, I attend them to be surrounded by people similar to myself and to celebrate the fact that we are now comfortable enough to be open. To some of us, I can't speak for all members of the homosexual community, there is a need to raise awareness and the level of conversation in this country regarding gay issues and I believe the festivals and celebrations trigger those conversations, like it has here. Heterosexuals don't need a festival such as this because they are in the vast majority (common statics say that only 1 in 10 people are homosexual) and are commonly accepted by the general public whereas we as homosexuals still feel the need to show our presence in the community and fight for acknowledgment, respect, and basic human rights.

Posted by cameronincam on August 24, 2008 at 3:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To be honest... I (a straight man) like my gays flamboyant.

No hiding in the closet, be out and flamboyant all you like, that way you are easily identified.

To quote Dan Ackroyd from a recent movie... "“What you shove up your a$$ is your own business"

Posted by AnnaWhaat on August 24, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Roll-it-up, Call what you what. Im just tired of this crap.
iseepeeple,Good afternoon!
LandLostViking , Well seems you didn't skip them did ya ????LOL No go put your Viking gear on!
ironwoman ,That was just one thing he did to embarrass Brandon, also asked him to the prom and sent him love letters and made it clear to the whole school his feelings about Brandon. He did not deserve to die. But Brandon doesn't deserve to be tried as an adult, yes he is guilty of murder.
I have NEVER EVER been to a fair where we had to guess the amount of condom's in a jar???? FREAKY for the kids if they played the game. I may seem a bit harsh with my comments.......But seems like everyone wants to deal with Larry's problems and forget Brandon had any to deal with. He is human also and did not deal with it like an adult would have.

Posted by dgonzales121 on August 24, 2008 at 3:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

AnnaWhaat:
Here you go again I think she is still in the closet! LOL!

Posted by Hueneme1961 on August 24, 2008 at 4:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To think this will happen every year for Larry. Port Hueneme Little League even named a turnament in his name.So I am Sure Larry will never be forgotten.All the kid did wrong is let his feelings known.I think it was pretty brave thing to do.Unlike the cowardly act of that other kid.To me it doesn't matter what was said.Words don't kill People/guns do.

Posted by handyhood on August 24, 2008 at 4:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Grammars. Just as it isn't natural for child to have a mommy and MOMMY, it is not Natural or possible for a women to be pregnant without a man. So How is it that your daughter is expecting? There had to be a male influence somewhere just as there needs to be both a MALE and a female influence in the upbringing of a child. Because society has allowed it to happen we have confused and mixed up kids like Brandon and Larry. God say's that in his eyes homosexuality is an abomanation. If any one who believe's in God, believe's differently then they are saying that God is wrong! If God is wrong then their would be nothing but anarchy in the world and we are all doomed!

Posted by SocialResponsibility on August 24, 2008 at 4:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Handyhood, do you agree with infertile heterosexual couples using invetro fertilization to help them conceive a child? I am guessing by your statement that you believe the bible to be literally true, there inlays the problem. I am gay and a Catholic and I have no problem reconciling my beliefs with the rest of my life. I am well educated in the Bible having gone to private, religious schools from kindergarten through university but since you seem to know so much maybe you can help me understand a few things.

I am well aware that the bible says it is wrong for one man to lay with another but it also states in Exodus 35:2, in no uncertain terms, that for working on the sabbath, the penalty is death. How do you apply that in today's world? Should we be executing anyone who works on the Sabbath, really? Ventura County is a farming community and many landowners have various types of citrus planed in close proximity to one another, are they violating the standards set in Leviticus 19:19?

I submit to you, that I believe in God, don't believe him to be wrong, but I believe that the ideas of truth and love that he came to this earth to teach are misinterpreted.

Posted by stopit on August 24, 2008 at 4:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gay Pride?..three words...Sodom and Gomorrah

Posted by handyhood on August 24, 2008 at 4:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So, what your saying is God is wrong. That being the case I guess we don't need to worry about heaven or hell, and since we don't have to worry about that, it doesn't matter what we do. Rape, murder, plunder, and pilage. It doesn't matter because there is no long term consequince for our actions. What's a little jail time if we're caught? Do whatever you want, when you want, because there isn't a punishment except in this life, and the way things are there is only a 50% chance you'll get caught. I'm glad you cleared that up for me. Now I can go out and take whatever I want! No wonder this is a sad, sick world!!!!!

Posted by handyhood on August 24, 2008 at 4:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Socialrespondsiblity. When Christ died the old testement became only a source of history. We live today according to the rules of the new testament. And I may be wrong, but even the catholic church is against homosexuality. Which would make you what? WRONG! Maybe your educated beyond your intelligence.

Posted by SocialResponsibility on August 24, 2008 at 4:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sir, I don't believe God to be wrong, simply misinterpreted by human beings. It does matter what we do, if I "rape, murder, plunder, and pillage (you misspelled that by the way)" I would be infringing upon the rights and safety of those around me. In no way does my love for someone else infringe upon you. There is punishment in this life and the next, we simply differ in our beliefs about what is sinful.

Posted by handyhood on August 24, 2008 at 4:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't start with the type-os with me. I didn't say anything about how various types of citrus are PLANED!!!

Posted by julsthemom on August 24, 2008 at 5:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

geeeeeeeee..iseepeople...interesting take and comments coming from you, the spokesperson for opening a mental hospital because your brother was mentally ill. The lack of tollerance on this blog are mindboggleing.
TECHUSER and all the others ... I guarentee you have someone in your family or extended family how is afraid to come out of the closet due to your bigotry.

Posted by handyhood on August 24, 2008 at 5:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I good place to put the no votes. Buried in you yard!

Posted by SocialResponsibility on August 24, 2008 at 5:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The fact that you insulted my intelligence, goes to show that you lack the skills to properly debate the issues. Stick to your arguments unless you feel they aren't adequate to defend your position.

Posted by handyhood on August 24, 2008 at 5:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The fact that you blamed a type-o on my inability to spell shows your intelligence. The fact that I didn't comment on your type-o until you commented on mine shows that I have an understanding of human mistakes. Your human, and your mistaken. I stand by my comment, maybe you are educated BEYOND your intelligence!nay na na na nay na!LOL

Posted by SocialResponsibility on August 24, 2008 at 5:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I accept my mistake and the type-o. I apologize.

Posted by sparks240 on August 24, 2008 at 5:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

handyhood, Maybe you live today according to the rules of the new testament, but millions of Jews, Islamic, Buddist, Punjabs, and countless other religions don't. But I guess they are all going to hell anyhow.

Posted by Rocket81 on August 24, 2008 at 6:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

When my man Barrack Obama gets into office he will see to it that all this pride crap gets buried where it belongs. In a landfill. Nuts to all the freaks!!!!!!!

Posted by stopit on August 24, 2008 at 6:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

yep! Matthew 7:13

Posted by stopit on August 24, 2008 at 6:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

John 14:6 how many more do you need?

Posted by shakeexplode on August 24, 2008 at 6:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rainbow Alliance - great day in the park yesterday. Keep doing what you do. Don't let the haters and misinformed slow you down.

And congratulations on 15 years in Ventura.

My wife and I, and our kids will be voting NO on 8.

Posted by boblaunius on August 24, 2008 at 6:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I enjoy spicy tacos but I dont force them on you or anyone else, I am very tired of people forcing their LIFESTYLE on me.
I and the majority of Californians will be voting yes on prop 8

Posted by SocialResponsibility on August 24, 2008 at 6:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

bob, how in any way is gays getting married forcing their views on you? Is your marriage any less valid?

Posted by iseepeeple on August 24, 2008 at 7:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Julsthemom...you say "geeeeeeeee..iseepeople...interesting take and comments coming from you, the spokesperson for opening a mental hospital because your brother was mentally ill..."
Interesting in what way? My take on the need to have a mental hospital/prison built in this community has nothing to do with this topic...unless you are calling gay people mentally ill and in desperate need of medical help as they are having to live in conditions that are unconstitutionally inhumane? I certainly am not making those type of accusations here.
My point is we are all human, no matter who or what we are. I don't think I have faltered from my position on that...have I? I guess I don't understand your point. I don't wish to change the subject or go off-topic either, but if you would like to explain what you mean I am willing to listen.

Posted by LandLostViking on August 24, 2008 at 7:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes dgonzales121 You are 100% correct!!!!!!

Posted by SocialResponsibility on August 24, 2008 at 8:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Joh, I won't argue with your religious argument because you are entitled to your faith and beliefs but your lifestyle/normal argument has problems. Just because something is the majority doesn't make it normal. Individuality makes this country what it is and it was founded on the idea of pluralism and no one imposing their views on anyone else. A Yes vote on prop 8 simply allows all people the freedom to marry for love in all forms; a No vote imposes your morals and religious beliefs on everyone whether or not they agree with you. The government has no place restricting the rights of same-sex couples to enter into a legal commitment offered to heterosexual couples. A couple is a couple regardless of gender and love is love.

Posted by handyhood on August 24, 2008 at 8:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I just got home from Church and I can't believe that socialresponsibility made that last statement about the government having no rights making restrictions on peoples rights. We the people are the goverment. We the people have the right to impose any law or restriction on anything that we the people choose. God made Adam a woman to be a helpmate. God has told us that a MAN and a WOMAN will be joined together as man and wife. Not man and man nor woman and woman. We the people can impose any law we want on everyone else as long as the majority decide. It's called DEMOCRACY(notice I spelled it right)VOTE YES ON 8. The people will decide.

Posted by julsthemom on August 24, 2008 at 8:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Iseepeople> No I am not saying that lesbians and homosexuals are mentally ill...they do NOT choose this lifestyle...they are born that way and I speak as the sister of a lesbian. However, I will not USE my personal experience to allow emotion to dictate my arguments...much like you have done regarding your brother's unfortunate experience with supporting a Prison Hospital. Despite my acceptance of lesbians and homosexuals and belief that they have every right to have their event...as I do not believe that Larry Kings murder was a true hate crime and feel that his murder was exploited at this event and have to wonder how much the prosecution had to do with setting that up. Before ya'll bash me...I will tell you that my sister was killed so, again, I speak from experience...Larry Kings family who did not accept him are now trying to profit from his death which is disgusting to say the least.
johnmuir96: the whole steve and eve saying is so yesterday...how dare you quote the bible...who made you God...obviously you are one of those so called good christians who is insufferably judgemental...much unlike Jesus. As an ordained minister...I will forgive you because that is what the good Lord would do.

Posted by julsthemom on August 24, 2008 at 9 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Handyhood...another self righteous judgemental christian. Yes, it is a DEMOCRACY, cool you have spell check, and a No Vote is the way to go...let's see if you can accept it if the No's overcome the Yes'es.

Posted by julsthemom on August 24, 2008 at 9:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Grammars...you go girl...Police our the unsung heros...I wish the best for your daugher and daughter-in-law with many wonderful years as parents...

Posted by handyhood on August 24, 2008 at 9:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I will let the people decide just as they already did once before. If the decision is no on 8, Ill live with it. I won't like it, but I'll live with it. I have spell check? Where? Don't get me wrong, I don't hate homosexuals. Jesus told us to hate the sin, not the sinner. He also said not to be led astray, and I believe that's what is happening here.

Posted by SocialResponsibility on August 24, 2008 at 9:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I notice you spelled it right. Once again, sorry for that earlier, a cheap shot on my part. The purpose of the law is to protect it's citizens, not legislate values. Take prohibition for example, an Amendment was passed legislating religious values on the country and it was later repealed. Let's learn from past mistakes and not do it again shall we.

Posted by Ihateliars on August 24, 2008 at 9:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh Religion, my favorite cult. Live by the bible if you will but I call Catholics out. How dare you live by the bible but then support MEN who in Vatican council II made the change that sex was now for pleasure and not solely for pro-creation. Where are you catholic women? What about birth control? If they can tell you to please your husband via sex, why can’t you decide how any children you have? CULT, CULT, CULT.

Posted by Ness on August 24, 2008 at 9:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TECHUSER you are a "closeted case" with Prada heels in your closet!!!

Posted by handyhood on August 24, 2008 at 9:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I hope you weren't referring to me as a Catholic! I agree with you. The Catholic cult. The Morman cult. I'm A CHRISTIAN! I believe in the values of the bible and the Good news of Christ! Sin is sin. We all sin and fall short of Gods glory. I'm not perfect, just saved!

Posted by stopit on August 24, 2008 at 9:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

handyhood,well said

Posted by Ihateliars on August 24, 2008 at 10:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Christians that are unforgiving and not accepting are still in THE CULT.

Posted by OxnardNative on August 25, 2008 at 5:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have to say; to each their own. RIP Larry. The rest of you will probably never be lucky enough to be honored by ANY group like Larry was here, myself included. Larry was a CHILD and did not deserve to die the way he did. God please let Larry's soul rest peacefully within your kingdom. :-) Peace everyone!

Posted by iseepeeple on August 25, 2008 at 7:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

julsthemom...I am sorry for the death of your sister...we both know the hurt that goes along with losing a sibling. Also I am sorry I still don't understand the point you are trying to make and the beef you have with me. You tell me "I will not USE my personal experience to allow emotion to dictate my arguments..." Yet you do just that in the rest of your post. I don't find anything wrong with using personal experience to dictate any type of argument at all..whether it is building a mental facility, teaching a child how to cope with a problem, or even handing out advice to a friend. There are many situations where I use my personal experience on many levels to help me get through my day. I guess you and I are just on different pages and will just agree to disagree.
Perhaps if someone would have used their own personal experience to talk to Larry and Brandon, their situations would have been different today. Using personal experience is in no way exploiting a situation...at least not in my book. If you had any idea of some of the personal experiences I have encountered through my life..it would blow your socks off. Believe me.

Posted by JmeDavis on August 25, 2008 at 8:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Posted by boblaunius on August 24, 2008 at 6:51 p.m. -- I enjoy spicy tacos but I dont force them on you or anyone else, I am very tired of people forcing their LIFESTYLE on me.
I and the majority of Californians will be voting yes on prop 8"

How is changing the consitution to prevent same-sex marriages NOT forcing YOUR lifestyle on THEM? True Christianity says that you should not JUDGE! Let them live their lives without your interference! If the law now says it's legal, leave them be! Fine, let the churches forbid it, that's a religious choice...even though in my opinion it's wrong for Christians to force their beliefs on others, but that is their choice. The government, however, is different...separation of church and state, and all that.

There are so many more important things in life besides caring about what other people do! I live my own life and I let them live theirs! I don't understand why people care so much. I guess they think this will devalue straight marriage. I think the divorce rate has already done that...most straight people don't take marriage seriously so I'm not sure how gay marriage could make that any worse...

I agree with SocialResponsibility about the misinterpretation of the bible. It was not written by God, it was written by Man. Even if God gave the men their words, it was still open to their own interpretation. Haven't you every played Operator? And it was still written about the rules of the times. Times change. Did the bible say something about mentruating women needing to be segregated?

For the record, I'm straight, married, and the daughter-in-law of a pastor. And what he taught me is not to judge, not to force my views on people, and to be accepting of others and their choices.

I know this was off topic and I'm sure some close-minded jacka** is going to mouth off about this. I'm ok with that.

No one is going to change anyone's mind about something like this by reading comments on a newspaper article. I don't think that anyone's views will change on this subject until something changes in their personal life...like a son or daughter telling them they're gay

Posted by BeaHappi on August 25, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"The radical right is so homophobic that they're blaming global warming on the AIDS quilt." ~Dennis Miller

Posted by BeaHappi on August 25, 2008 at 9:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

GramMars...congrats on the upcoming arrival of your grandson. And thank you to your daughter-in-law for serving Ventura County; not an easy job by any stretch of the imagination.

Posted by ThePhantomKnows on August 25, 2008 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I read all comments but found it odd no one talked about the participation of the Mayor of Oxnard, Tom Holden, leading in comments about the festival. In Ventura?

Question, If the Mayor of Oxnard was so concern and excited about the Gay Festival, why didn't he organize one for Oxnard? If he was so concern about the EO Green incident, why didn't he participate with the candle light Vigil for PEACE for Larry King shortly after the shooting? Why didn't Tom Holden participate in the Peace March from EO Green School to Plaza Park, in his own city? In fact, none of the local elected officials participated in either event, except for one school board trustee. Where was the Mayor then?

Why wasn't a Key of the City given to the King Family. Why wasn't there a Resolution given to the family for Larry King? Maybe these things didn't take place then but may come to pass.

Why now??

Oh Yes, it makes sense now. It's Campaign Season.

Posted by shakeexplode on August 25, 2008 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Mayor Holden has been at the last 4 Pride events in Ventura.

Mayor Holden respects diversity - election year or not. Simple as that.

Posted by BeaHappi on August 25, 2008 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The mayor of Ventura didn't plan the Ventura event...

Posted by bugmenot on August 25, 2008 at 11:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

TECHUSER; you are so far in the closet you're finding christmas presents.

Posted by jeffinventura on August 25, 2008 at 1:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If you actively want to restrict my basic civil rights or deny me the SAME rights you have as a heterosexual, you ARE forcing your lifestyle onto me.

We have freedom of religion in the USA and with that comes freedom from religious prosecution.

Believe what you want....live as you choose. But do not take actions to infringe on my same rights to do so as well.

A vote in support of Prop 8 is a judgment of same-sex couples who just want to do all they can to protect their families. And as a judgment, voting yes on Prop 8 is also a sin.

So, if you feel so hell bent to promote bigotry and discrimination against others.....do so with care and do not forget to repent your sins afterward!!!

GOD BLESSES US ALL EQUALLY....why can't you?

Posted by getreal on August 25, 2008 at 2:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How are the teachers or principals responsible for any of this? Because a teacher encouraged Larry to be comfortable with himself? Love himself? When do the parents start taking responsibility? Too many people expect the school system to raise our children and teach them right and wrong rather than doing their jobs as a parent. Teachers are there for an education, not moral values. Those are what we should be teaching at home. If BRandon's parents had taught him those values, he would know murder is not the correct action to be taking.

Posted by jeffinventura on August 25, 2008 at 3:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Same-sex couples should have the same rights to marriage as anyone else. Currently same-sex marriage is legal....no Proposition will be able to erase those marriages!

To offer anything less than full marriage would violate the California State Constitution.

That is why the courts ruled as they did.....and for those of you who do not know the role of the court system in the USA, please go educate yourselves.

GOD BLESS!

Posted by jeffinventura on August 25, 2008 at 3:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I would love for these bigots to come knocking on my door!!

I can easily debate away any and all of the trumped up reasons that they think give them the right to discriminate against me!!!

The pure hate and ignorance on the side of "Vote yes on Prop 8" is all the fuel I need to set a blaze to the current tribe of bigotry promoters!

GOD BLESS!

Posted by AnnaWhaat on August 25, 2008 at 8:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dgonzales121 ,Yeah right! haha......I been there over 30 years with my husband ! And you?????
handyhood ,Great Comment! That also is one reason the end of the world is near. The signs are even in the bible ,for those who believe in it.
GramMars ,And someday that kid is going to ask who his or her Daddy is???????? We are confusing out kids with all this.
handyhood,Correct about the New testament. And yes even the catholic Church I do believe goes by it also.
TECHUSER , Call me what you want cause your comment means nothing to me........as for the moist place comment if you had read the entire posts someone else said that and I said it was sick.So get it RIGHT !!!!!!
julsthemom ,God said go out and spread the gospel, now if you feel that using religion is wrong. Then your not living by the Bible and should not be ordained in anything. God Bless !
God said to spread the word of the Bible.....for those that do not want to hear it, hey at least someone tried. Its your right to close the door.
Ask most lesbians in prison, its not love its lust and sexual....When about 90% get out they go back to being straight. As the Bible says Do not lust after thy neighbors wife. Exactly what it is in prison LUST , the need for love and effection(sp).
You can read my post or skip it. Its your choice just as its my choice to comment. As it says hate the sin not the sinner. I do not hate gays ......I do feel sorry for them due to my own beliefs.
I will also vote yes on Prop 8.

Posted by SocialResponsibility on August 25, 2008 at 8:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Anna, I believe that GramMars grandchild will not be confused just like children foster children don't have a "mom" and a "dad" are not confused. That child will grow up in a home with two loving parents which is more than I can say for a great many children being raised by heterosexual parents surely we can agree on that.
As far as your vote on Prop 8, you are entitled to your vote guaranteed to everyone in this country but I'm still confused as to how you are getting around the separation of Church and State. The government has no place legislating values. I've said it before and I'll say it again; take a look at prohibition and look at what happened the last time a constitutional amendment was passed to regulate a social issue. Same-sex marriage in no way affects you and the government should only be concerned with protecting it's citizens, nothing else.
One last thing, please don't feel sorry for me, I'm very content with my life and secure in my faith.

Posted by ostentacious on August 25, 2008 at 8:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

AnnaWhaat, statistics don't matter if they're pulled out of thin air. . . and I'd love to see where you get your amazingly credible "jail lesbian" information.
Also, stop generalizing. It makes you seem a bit too American, y'know?

Posted by nelsonknows on August 26, 2008 at 1:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

E.O. Green Administration flagrantly violated Federal and State's Law, it's THAT simple and in doing so, Administration at E.O. Green were complicit in a murder. Apparently, Joy Epstein had an agenda to treat one student differently that any other.
It's sickening that Hueneme School District would reward an administrator by promoting her after she had flagrantly violated Title 9 and California SB719.
If anyone would care to read the federal and state's law on sexual harassment.....
http://www.bullypolice.org/ca_law.html
http://www.ed.gov/about/offices/list/...

Posted by AnnaWhaat on August 26, 2008 at 7:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ostentacious,Why because I am an American? I have the statistics.Now you look them up !!!!
SocialResponsibility , I can agree with your first comment. It is better to be loved by two parents then one. Maybe I shouldn't put Church and State together......But I do have a right to my comment , Correct?

Posted by AnnaWhaat on August 26, 2008 at 8:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I guess one of the things that really had me going was to guess the amount of condoms in the can, WERE the kids involved in this game?

Posted by jeffinventura on August 26, 2008 at 8:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A vote of yes on Prop 8 is a sin!

REPENT!

GOD BLESS!

Posted by jeffinventura on August 26, 2008 at 8:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

AnnaWhaat -

Condoms are a fact of life!!!
They protect people from death!!!

I did not see any "kids" without parents at the festival.

There was a youth group booth at the festival....and those teens were very well mannered in my view.

What is your problem with condoms anyway???

Oh, why am I asking....you come on here with all of your ignorance and bigotry. Why would I expect you to be rational or logical about anything???

GOD BLESSES ME!!!

Posted by jeffinventura on August 26, 2008 at 8:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Time to face the facts -

1 - There is no religious element to a civil marriage. There is no religious requirement and no religious ideals should have any effect on how the government deals with marriage.

2 - There is no "child bearing" requirement for a legal marriage in the USA. No one has to be able to bear children or even want to bear children to be legally married in the USA.

There is no logical or legal reason to restrict marriage rights from same-sex couples!!!

The time has come to end the discrimination!!!

GOD BLESSES US ALL EQUALLY!!!

Posted by iseepeeple on August 26, 2008 at 9:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Gosh I wish you people would stop with the name calling..it's really getting old. Just because a person has a different view than you does NOT mean they are closet gays, bigots, ignorant, ostentacious or anything else. It means they simply DON'T agree with you or the lifestyle you lead. What is this? We don't have a right to our opinions but you have every right to yours...and then some? Annawheat is not a closet gay bigot. I can attest to that. She is a woman with an opinion. Give it a rest already.
The social issues the gay community is faced with each and every day are one thing..but the rudeness and name calling is quite another..from both sides. I can't tell you how many times I have bitten my tongue in this forum.
This is and always has been...and always will be a controversial issue. We might as well accept it for what it is and move on.
I happen to believe that SocialResponsibility is just that..and she expresses herself in such a way that is gracious and respectful and still gets her point across. I may not agree with every point she makes, but because of her presentation I can certainly show her or give her the respect she deserves. There are others here who should try and follow her example while making their points.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on August 26, 2008 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Not voting YES on prop 8 is a HUGE SIN !!!!!!!!!!so there Jeff.....
jeffinventura ,Just how old were the children guessing the amount of condoms in the jar? I have never played that game at any fair !!!!!! And if the game was for adults only then ok. I see nothing wrong with it , its very important to learn about safe sex. I hope you do !!!!

Posted by jeffinventura on August 26, 2008 at 10:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Since all of the children at the festival were accompanies by parents, it is none of your business if they were playing the "guess the condom" game!!

People of ALL ages need to be educated on safe sex!

And finally, the hate and prejudice that AnnaWhaat displays on this board is ugly.

Why did she not come out to the festival and spout those beliefs in the faces of the families in attendance on Saturday???

I would love to see the ugly face that spits out those ugly words she cowardly prints on this board every day!!!

GOD BLESSES ALL FAMILIES EQUALLY!

Posted by srcheek on August 26, 2008 at 10:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Promoting safe sex through condom games is a great idea although having it present at a family event may not have been the most appropriate idea. We all deserve the right to marry who we love. If you don't believe in same sex marriage, then don't marry someone who is the same gender as you. People think that same sex marriage makes a "mockery" of marriage. I believe that Britney Spears, J-Lo, Elizabeth Taylor, etc. have already done that with their multiple, blink-and-you-missed-it marriages. Welcome to 2008, people.

Posted by iseepeeple on August 26, 2008 at 10:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

jeff, personally I don't think the point of the condom game was to teach children or anyone else about safe sex. It was done more to desensatize their minds. Something that has been taking place in more ways then I care to mention. Exposure is not always a good thing for children at a young age. Some parents choose to protect their children beyond the age of 12 or 14 and wish to tell them when THEY believe their children are ready to hear about it. They don't want others taking over their responsibilities as parents to teach their children about safe sex. Last I looked, parents still have a right to raise their children as they see fit. Enough is shoved down our kids throats and the pressure is tremendous without adding sex to the mix when they are such a young age. Believe me, I am not really strict when it comes to my kids...but I did raise them to with what I thought were good morals respectfully...and it was my right to do so. They trusted me to give them the truth when they asked for my opinion on certain issues, and I gave it to them because if they are ready and willing to ask, then they are ready to wanting to know the truth. My kids were both around the age of 14 when we crossed that bridge and it worked out perfectly for us.
This condom game sounds more like a game thrown at one of those lingerie parties FOR ADULTS..then a game played at a festival...gay or straight. It was inappropriate.

Posted by jeffinventura on August 26, 2008 at 10:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I did not see any children at the event without their parents.

Those parents had the right to monitor what was going on and it really was no one else business.

Condoms do not encourage sex.....but they do encourage SAFE SEX!!!

And that is ALWAYS a good thing!

GOD BLESS!

Posted by SocialResponsibility on August 26, 2008 at 5:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Anna, of course you have a right to your opinion and to voice it, as you should. I actually really appreciate the fact that you include stats in your arguments. I can agree with you on that last one (the argument behind it) about the difference between love and lust. I think too often they are mistaken for one another. That is another reason I believe gay marriage should continue to be legal, not just in California but throughout the country. Yes, it is just a piece of paper but it is much more than that. The symbolism alone is overwhelming. Beyond that, I believe it should be available to everyone, regardless of who they choose to marry. Notice I say choose because I can concede that point. I don't believe being gay is chosen however, I hope we all can agree that we individually make a choice to sleep with someone or not and to commit oneself to someone else or not.
iseepeople, thank you so much for the compliment. I would like to clear something up though. I am not a woman, I am actually a 24 year old male who happens to be gay. Couldn't make the least bit of difference but I just wanted to clear it up. I think more damage is done to your cause if you make a personal attack at someone than you help it with sound arguments. I made this mistake in an earlier post when I took a cheap shot at handyhood. I hope I articulate my arguments in the same way that people say they hate the sin but not the sinner, I have deep respect for people and their right voice their opinion, whether or not I agree with it. Don't get me wrong though, when I disagree with it, you're going to know about it.
Scapegoat, thank you for making me laugh! If it were mine to give, you would have the word back in an instant.

Posted by iseepeeple on August 26, 2008 at 6:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

SocialResponsibility...

My apologies for assuming you were a woman! When I first read you..I totally pictured you in my mind as a very articulate middle aged woman LOL!
That is NOT an insult by any means..I am a middle aged (51 soon to be 52) woman who was very impressed by your comments and the respect that was displayed towards the other forum posters, even if they didn't agree with your views. My hat is off to you. I am impressed at how young and wise you are all rolled up in one. It's nice to read and refreshing to see for a change.

Posted by SocialResponsibility on August 26, 2008 at 7:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No apology necessary, there really is no way to tell who is posting what. I also believe that telling a little bit about myself will help put some perspective on where I am coming from and the motivation behind my arguments. Very little offends me at this point in my life. I have learned not to worry about things that are of little consequence which is just one more reason why I am extremely passionate about this subject.
Thank you for your apology, the compliment was very thoughtful and I am humbled.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on August 27, 2008 at 8:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

jeffinventura ,I just dont think its appropriate for 6 and 7 year olds to guess how many condoms are in a jar......................
I know they save lives but to play a game like that with little children is not appropriate.
Also JeffinVentura I am not an ugly face. Perhaps if you actually saw me you would turn the other way...........You put down everyone that doesn't agree with you. Your full of hate.
Camdad101 . I do not hate the people as you call them. As if they are not human huh? I hate the sin not the sinner!!!!!!
Jeff try explaining to a 4 year old what a condom is and how its used. Thats sick!!!!!
SocialResponsibility , I would also like to say I do not hate you. I may not agree with you or your lifestyle. But that is your business. You may be a great person and a great friend to have. I do not know. And just because your gay I would not refuse to be your friend.

Posted by jeffinventura on August 27, 2008 at 9:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

anna -

You do not know my "lifestyle" so please do not use that divisive term to describe me as gay.

As I stated before, no children were present without their parents. And it is up to the parents of children to discuss what condoms are....NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!!!

The suggestion that you state gay people are some how more sinful than heterosexual people, that is ridiculous! You do not know the sins of other people and it is impossible for you to guess what others sins are.....and for you to make judgments of others based on imaginary sins you THINK they have committed, is a sin in itself.

The state has LEGAL same-sex marriages and it will continue to honor and celebrate those unions no matter what happens in November!!

Those families deserve EQUAL RIGHTS to any other family in California!!!

And no matter what you choose to believe, it will be done!!!

GOD BLESSES ALL FAMILIES EQUALLY!

Posted by srcheek on August 27, 2008 at 10:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No on 8! Why is it anyone's business if two people who love each other want to get married? I don't think some of my straight friends should have married their spouses but that's not my business, either. A same-sex relationship doesn't make it anymore my business than it was before.

Posted by kimberapplebaum on August 27, 2008 at 10:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree that the LGBT community is using this King thing to their advantage. Parents should use this to teach tolerance to their children and tell them they should be accepting and understanding of different people. Homosexuality isn't going anywhere they deserve the same rights as everyone else! VOTE NO ON PROP 8!

Posted by Resolute_Yet_Ambivalent on August 27, 2008 at 1:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Um, sorta sounds like you care myOpenyun. We heteros flaunt our lifestyle all the time, every chance we get. They get one day and you take exception. What a shame. No on 8!

Posted by jeffinventura on August 27, 2008 at 2:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How are gay people infringing on anyone else rights?

GOD BLESS!

Posted by jeffinventura on August 28, 2008 at 7:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It is time for EQUAL RIGHTS for all LEGAL ADULT RELATIONSHIPS!!!

Vote NO on Prop 8!

GOD BLESS!