Posted by OxnardNative on August 22, 2008 at 5:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

NOTHING warrants what Brandon did to Larry and ONLY Brandon is guilty, not the school, not Larry, not anyone or ANYTHING else. What is this attorney trying to do in defense of "his client"? This kid committed premeditated first degree murder. He'll be an adult in 4 or so years and he'll STILL be in jail then. You might as well try him as an adult. It was a crime fit for an adult anyhow. Larry will NEVER get to live to see his days as an adult, why should the one who took that from him be free to experience his adult life? What is wrong with our society these days? Brandon might one day be forgiven but what he did will NEVER be forgotten. He has affected the lives of so many in a negative way, now his attorney wants people to understand all the circumstances? WHO CARES? Nothing justifies what Brandon did, NOTHING. They should not have allowed this attorney to have these papers or anything else. I can't even get school records for my own kids without their consent?! And again, I am sorry. I don't wish what happened to Larry or any of the people affected by his loss, on anyone! How can Larry ever rest in peace as long as people are trying to justify what happened? God bless Larry and all those who suffer for the loss of his life here on earth.

Posted by opns on August 22, 2008 at 6:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

oxnardnative - i agree - Larry's records should not be brought onto the table, he's gone now, its irrelavent - what is a fact and relevant is that Brandon pulled the trigger twice. Had Brandon shot only once, then maybe i could see considering trying him a minor, but he pulled the trigger twice, which i believe entitles him to be tried as an adult. Who Larry thought he was, who he was, why he was, should not be questioned.

Posted by OxnardNative on August 22, 2008 at 6:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't understand the difference between pulling the trigger once or twice opns? It was still premeditated and it was still murder. Sorry, one bang or two, it's still the same to me.

Posted by opns on August 22, 2008 at 6:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

- yes its still the same
- but still, i would of taken this into consideration, as maybe the reason it may of been ruled this way. and I think many people see it this way as well.
Just my thoughts anyway.
I think its sad for this young boy Larrys memory- his records being smeared against him. This is wrong.

Posted by slkrchck on August 22, 2008 at 7:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

OxnardNative said: "What is this attorney trying to do in defense of "his client"?"

shouldn't an attorney defend his client the way he was trained to? in america, it's called cicil rights.

"It was a crime fit for an adult anyhow."

how does shooting a person in the back of the head, twice, make a man out of you? this is the most childish thing i've ever heard of. a man would've continued to ignore the taunting.

"Brandon might one day be forgiven but what he did will NEVER be forgotten."

when you don't forget, you don't forgive. you can hold on to this for the rest of your life and it won't bring larry back, it wont heal you. as a matter of fact. you're letting it control and poison you. you can count yourself as a victim too. pity you.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on August 22, 2008 at 7:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I still think if it was premedidated (sp) that Brandon would have carried it out differently, like hiding in a bush in wait. Not in front of the whole class to identify him. He had mental conditions also from all the teasing. And yes the school is just as resposible. A teacher gave him money for a birthday and took him out of thier living conditions to buy a dress !!!!! She just furthered his actions of wearing blue eyeshadow to school and high heels. Any kid that is being harrassed, as the other children stated. Having a guy boy ask you to be his valentine. Making remarks to others of his love for Brandon, come on. Brandon could have just as easily had a mental breakdown where he could no longer take the teasing. No Larry should not have died this way or at all. But I think it could have been prevented. And NO Brandon should not be tried as an adult, he was 13 a couple weeks before the shooting. Kids are not mentally developed at this stage.

Posted by Ms_California on August 22, 2008 at 7:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What I don't understand is how are the records going to play out in this? Brandon never saw Larry's medical records or knew of his personal medical treatment or history so what does that have to do with it? Brandon's attorney is grasping at straws to prove his client had reason to kill Larry. He didn't, fact of the matter is Brandon was embarrased by Larry's crush on him and Larry's comments. Plain and simple. Brandon did not know how to deal with his anger, took out a gun and shot Larry in cold blood to the back of his head TWICE! Then calmly walked out of the classroom. The records have no bearing on what Brandon did.

Posted by RebelGal on August 22, 2008 at 8:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

We also have to stand back and address the bigger issue: Our youth.

How does it start? It starts with an unlocked gun, it starts with overly violent games and shows, it starts when parents have kids and not enough time to spend with them.

My fiance and I own 14 guns, it is our right to own them, just like it was McInerney's father's right (I am assuming it was his father's and legally owned). But with that right comes responsibility to your child. A 14 year or kid who is exposed to all these outside influences is no longer able to judge right from wrong. Kids do not have the same values as they used to.

I am not blaming the parents entirely, it was Brandon who pulled the trigger and who needs to be held accountable for his actions. It would be a shame if he was tried as an adult. I forget who wrote in an earlier blog about this case but they had a great point: Would you rather live next to a person who was rehabilitated and had under went therapy, or a person who just spent 25 years of his life in a high security prison? What a waste of life he would be if it was the latter.

Posted by slkrchck on August 22, 2008 at 8:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

the records will show that larry was a disturbed throw away child. his father did this to him. he doesn't like homosexuals.

Posted by mac_tire_224 on August 22, 2008 at 8:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Annawhat. I think you are completely confused and in that confusion, you spur rumors. It was Casa that gave Larry the gift card to Target, which he used to purchase heeled boots. A teacher "gave" him a dress. She didn't take him out of his living conditions. Whatever that means. While I realize these "facts" are only what has been published in Newsweek and the Star, for god sake, when you are repeating them, repeat them accurately. No disrespect intended.

Posted by CharliesMom on August 22, 2008 at 8:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

To slkrchck, AnnaWhaat, Ms_California & RebelGal: You all have very good points & I agree w/ all of you. (finally people who are rational and not just emotional!)
There are so many other factors that have contributed to this tragedy; neglectful & abusive parents, the father's accessible gun, the school staff who encouraged innapropriate behavior, the lack of intervention from all adults involved in these two children's lives. They are all to blame.

Posted by CharliesMom on August 22, 2008 at 8:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Juniormafia_ny AND mac_tire_224: You are also both right. Thanks for pointing out those important facts.

Posted by SCfan01 on August 22, 2008 at 8:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Very sad that we are like a bunch of animals frothing at the mouth, cannot wait to execute human life. What is wrong with society?

Posted by hotwildflower on August 22, 2008 at 8:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

opns, you mention the twice shooting and I have asked this before and didn't get an answer...does anyone know if the second shot was "automatic" for lack of a better word? You know how a gun can have a kick that could cause it to go off again, especially by someone untrained with it? Or was there a delay, time to think and then another shot..? I think the timing plays into your theory.

Posted by hotwildflower on August 22, 2008 at 8:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BTW, This is a story that I simply refer to Junior Mafia with the infamous...I agree...Ditto...and You're right, JM.

Just wanted to get them all out of the way here before 9:00am.

Where does BabyzDaddy stand on this issue?

Posted by alex.poet on August 22, 2008 at 8:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

one shot to Kill Larry,
A Second shot to make sure he was dead.

Posted by Latina_805 on August 22, 2008 at 8:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

hotflower- according to the Newsweek article he fired one shot, and apparently the teacher asked him "what are you doing, Brandon?" and then he fired another shot.

Posted by alex.poet on August 22, 2008 at 9 a.m. (Suggest removal)

untrained? We have video games galore that train children how to shoot guns. My favorite game on XBOX 360 is Halo 3, and there are hand guns which you pick up and shoot opponents with one bullet per trigger pull (there are two triggers on the controller), the controller even vibrates with the "kickback."

Any kid can learn how to use a gun, we start training them at Chuck E. Cheese!

Posted by opns on August 22, 2008 at 9:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

According to the Newsweek, when the English teacher heard the first shot, how quickly did the teacher turn around to ask the question, ‘what are you doing’, and then shot again. Don’t know the exact quote So this is why I believe that there was some instance of time to the second shot.

Posted by opns on August 22, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh hi latina - didn't notice your post until after i posted. we're thinking the same here.

Posted by hotwildflower on August 22, 2008 at 9:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Got it, thanks.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on August 22, 2008 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

mac_tire_224 ,Your may be correct.....I may have confused what he bought BUT his gay teacher DID involve her desires and thought process onto Larry.
She is Guilty! As Guilty as Brandon is.AND I DID read she took him shopping.
juniormafia_ny ,Very well put!
I am not saying that Brandon is not guilty of murder. He did murder Larry. Its a terrible tragedy! But I do not believe he had the mind of an adult and should be tried as one.

Posted by mac_tire_224 on August 22, 2008 at 9:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Anna, the teacher, that gave him the dress, wasn't gay.

Posted by eclipsewatcher on August 22, 2008 at 9:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Larry King did not deserve to die at the hands of a coward who shot him execution style. However, I don't believe that either of these two boys had clean hands. Unfortunately, one of them is no longer here to defend himself.

An attorney is compelled by the Constitution and the canons of law and ethics to give his client the best possible defense. That's his job. To do anything less would be grounds for disbarment. He has to look at this case from all angles objectively, not emotionally.

This sad, complicated case will be tried in a court of law, not of public opinion. A jury of 12 men and women will have to decide the fate of young Mr. McInerny after hearing ALL OF THE FACTS, not just those spoonfed to us by various newspaper and magazine articles and hearsay. I pray they do the right thing. Whatever that may be.

Regards.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on August 22, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

mac_tire_224 , I read that she was........
But not worth arguing over.

Posted by mac_tire_224 on August 22, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry Anna, it was never my intent for you to think I was arguing with you. I wasn't, simply clarifying "the facts" as have been reported. if they are indeed, facts.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 22, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hotwildflower:
My position is that he should be tried as an adult. 1 shot vs 2 shots makes a difference. 1 shot...was...I thought about it, I did it...OMG...I actually did it...what did I just do????......2 shots regardless of time in between is....I'm going to shoot him DEAD...not to hurt him...but to KILL HIM...

Premeditated, deliberate, extremely violent and callous. If a gang member gets life for killing another gang member, this kid should too.

MOST people would not have pulled the trigger...they don't have it in them...Brandon does have it in him. You can't rehab that JR. It's innate.

The other reason I say you can't rehab that is because he chose MURDER over a severe beating. I'd be on your side saying try him as a minor if he had beat him and Larry died as a result of his injuries. The INTENTION is what I'm looking at.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 22, 2008 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Replace Brandon with a Colonia Chiques gangmember and Larry with a Southside Chiques gangmember. You still want the Colonia gangmember tried as a minor? Also replace the teasing from Larry with gang symbols and face to face confrontations.

Ceteris paribus (all other things remaining equal), now decide.

From my sources, it was known that Brandon hung out with Neo Nazi types. Who are one group that Neo Nazi types hate? Homosexuals (that's common knowledge). Brandon killed Larry because of his beliefs. What makes that different from what two gang members think of each other?

Posted by hotwildflower on August 22, 2008 at 10:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks, BabyzDaddy...I was wondering if this might be another that we would surprisingly agree on but we are on opposite sides of the fence again.

I understand people's outrage and this is a horrible crime without a doubt, but I strongly feel he should be tried as a juvenile, which doesn't much matter since the DA has already filed the charges, it looks like it will go on as an adult regardless. I just personally think at 14 he wasn't able to contemplate the true consequences for his actions.

My heart really just aches over this whole situation, two children were failed and this is the result. It's a complete shame.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 22, 2008 at 10:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Not defending gang members (for those simple-minded posters out there that are going to jump to say)? "BabyzDaddy are you DEFENDING GANGMEMBERS?) NO, I'm putting together an example that should be drawn out during the deliberation. The jurors will need to see a contrast and comparison of the scenario and take out any pre-disposed biased opinions and apply the facts of the case to the law as it's written.

I don't blame the defense attorney though, he's just doing his job. Kinda f'ed up to bring details of the deceased to light, but still his duty to do so.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 22, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

JR...it's a hate crime brotha (per my second post). If they establish that link to the Neo Nazi influence...it's a hate crime, no matter how you cut it. Just the like the "for the benefit of a" enhancement that gangmembers get for their actions.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 22, 2008 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

HotWildFlower: There's no doubt that two kids were failed her, by many in their lives, but the facts are the facts. Premeditated eliminates the possibility that Brandon didn't know what he was doing. Even my 6 yr old girl knows that if someone is shot in the head, it is HIGHLY likely they're going to die. You're telling me Brandon didn't know what would happen when he shot Larry 2 times in the back of the head?

Posted by hotwildflower on August 22, 2008 at 10:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No, I am not saying he didn't know...I am saying he didn't have the maturity to fully think through his actions.

I agree that children understand shooting someone will cause death, but do they really comprehend what death is?

I am not defending him and saying he is innocent or should be let off, I am saying that 51 years to a 14 year old is too long. I also think that the 11 years for a juvenile is probably too short, but there has to be a middle ground in this situation and under the circumstances.

One child is dead and they are sending another off to his death basically...I just have a hard time throwing in the towel on this kid...or any kid for that matter.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 22, 2008 at 10:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

JR: I respectfully disagree with you. In my opinion, RAD behavioural issues will not suffice to throw out the hate crime charge. RAD is a condition that is created when a child has problem adjusting and aclimating to their caregivers (mostly in abusive childhoods or foster kids/adopted kids). RAD kids seek acceptance and identity from those around them. That's a weak excuse for throwing out the hate crime charge. If Larry threatened Brandon's life, then, yes, it might have more of an impact, but RAD kids just don't do those types of things. They act our and try to get attention, or close up and speak to no one, but they don't bully people in the same way we generally think of Bullies.

As for not knowing the consequences at 14, come on. His Mom shot his Dad and went to jail, you think he didn't realize what would happen to him if he shot Larry 2 times in the back of the head?

I could see your point for a kid that has not experienced that in his life, but he knew first hand.

Posted by hotwildflower on August 22, 2008 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, CamDad, I have always kept quiet and given you the benefit of the doubt when people attack you but I think it just struck me for the 1st time that you really to have quite a bit of hate in you...especially being a parent. That is really very sad!

Posted by opns on August 22, 2008 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm not totally convinced if this was a hate crime - i think he was just a hot head like his dad. He's a cold blooded murderer.
Larry could flaunt, taint, haunt, solict, whatever - he did not not have to die for it this, no matter how some of you here put it. I believe the genes come into play here. Brandon was destined to kill one day. And somehow had Larry lived would of been victimized somehow, due to his blamboyant personality.
my 2 cents - worth what. probably not much any way. my take anyway. don't make Larry the victim twice. that would be another two shots in the head. God forbid.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 22, 2008 at 10:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Distracting other students does not warrant getting two shots to the dome. The school could not have REASONABLY expected a shooting to occur. A lopsided fight (considering their size and fighting experience difference), yes, maybe, but not a shooting. As for the dress code, they school should have told him to stop dressing like that for his own sake and as to stop a distraction, even though Larry WAS following the dress code as the code only did not allow "females" to wear heels to school, not specifically "males". Rules should have been changed, but he school should not be liable for the actions of 1 student bringing a gun to school to off another student.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 22, 2008 at 10:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

OPNS:

If they charge it as a hate crime because they have evidence (a picture or paraphernalia showing affiliation to Neo Nazi beliefs), you're STILL not convinced of a hate crime? Then why do GangMembers get that enhancement, but it doesn't apply here? Because he didn't cry out a gang name or flash a sign first? I presume hate crimes are based on intent.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 22, 2008 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

JR:

Watching a biography on history channel of Hitler doesn't make you a Neo Nazi...hanging out with your friends who share your fascination or beliefs and if they assimilate to those of the Nazi's DOES.

Hope that made sense.

Posted by CharliesMom on August 22, 2008 at 10:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

HotWildFlower: I'm glad you finally see it, as do others on here. CamDad101 has anger & hate issues.
"Uh Reb, if you and your man ever split, look me up. Nothing hotter than a woman who shoots."

Gross.

Posted by hotwildflower on August 22, 2008 at 10:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

He said that?!? That is classless! Guessing CamDad is better known as CamLONELYDad (?)

Posted by brwnbear on August 22, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lotta details everyone is bringing up that makes you wonder if Brandon would be able to rehabilitate himself with the proper help.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 22, 2008 at 11:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Brwnbear:

Not everyone would be able to pull the trigger. I'm a believer that you can't rehab something that's innate.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 22, 2008 at 11:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

CAMDAD101....did you used to be CAMDAD? Seems that I remember your screenname was different. You've also seemed different from back then too. I remember you much worse than this. Was it the Zoloft or the Xanax? (Just kidding man...thought I'd throw a joke out there.)

Posted by hotwildflower on August 22, 2008 at 11:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Babyzdaddy, With that thinking...do you believe that a child who is abused will automatically grow up to be an abuser?

I understand that Brandon shot a gun, and his dad was charged with shooting his mom, and ok..there is a pattern, but do you believe that patterns can't be broken?

Cause I would love to introduce you to my lifestory...people can and do overcome their childhood all the time and rise above what they know to be the "norm".

Posted by hotwildflower on August 22, 2008 at 11:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Doubt it was the Zoloft, that has s*xual side affects and I'm guessing he can use all the help he can get...

(opps, was that crossing a line?)

Posted by CharliesMom on August 22, 2008 at 11:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Funny! :)

Posted by brwnbear on August 22, 2008 at 11:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I personaly think Brandon is able to rehabilitate himself if he gets the proper help he needs. He would also have to do his part by no engage himself with bad influences in the jail system. BabyzDaddy_01 even if he pulled the trigger.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 22, 2008 at 11:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

HotWildFlower:
No, I dont' think they will always grow up to be abusers. Like I said, I think Brandon's actions were innate. Meaning, it came natural to him. Not necessarily from what he saw, but what he saw as a kid did not help any either. I think it was a deadly combination though. I don't think "being abused" is innate and I do believe the effects of that abuse can be rehabiliated. What I'm saying is that I don't think the average teenager could have pulled the trigger. Brandon did. Twice. And it was intentional.

BTW, (I may be wrong), but I thought it was the Mom that shot the Dad? (again, I may be wrong)...but I remember telling my Wife...SEE...that happens too. (Mom shooting Dad)

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 22, 2008 at 11:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Brwnbear:
Why? What leads you to believe that he COULD rehabilitate himself, besides the belief that all people are by nature "Good". Really, that's what this discussion comes down to. People that are on the "people are GOOD" side believe he can be rehabbed and vice versa. (What do you think about that one JR?) I personally think the "people are Good" side is not realistic enough. (My opinion)

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 22, 2008 at 11:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Correction:
"people are GOOD" = "ALL people are GOOD"

Posted by hotwildflower on August 22, 2008 at 11:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am fairly certain that the dad shot the mom in the elbow, but I may be mistaking.

I think someone ability to be rehabilitated comes from the life they led in the past. In comparing this situation to that of a gang member, generally they are leading a life of mischief that escalates. In this case, my understanding is that Brandon was in honors classes on honor roll and involved in sports...that doesn't appear to me someone who has no intentions of bettering their life. I think he had plans to be a good person and something went wrong along the way...possibly a chance to get back on the right path? I don't know..I can only hope.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 22, 2008 at 11:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I saw many instances in my early life where I could have strayed and wound up like some of my childhood friends (involved with drugs, in gangs, in jail or in the grave)...Everything around me would have led me to the Gangmember example you put forth, but I chose not to. That choice was innate. That lifestyle didn't appeal to me. To others, it did. I think JR had a similar experience. My friend's had both their parents too, lived in the same neighborhood too. Granted, there are situations where the 1 parent household thing comes into play, but I was just trying to compare appples to apples.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 22, 2008 at 11:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

apples to apples....to much coffee this morning...I just can't get the strength of the coffee right.

Posted by CharliesMom on August 22, 2008 at 11:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

CamDad101: Should I be flattered that you want my opinion?...
I actually cannot say if rehabilitation is possible for anyone, because I have not studied nor researched it. But, my instinct tells me that NO, it's not really possible. (wow, I actually agree w/ you?) I wouldn't want to be associated with, much less be in a room with a person that has that kind of history- shooting & killing a person. I just couldn't trust them.

Posted by opns on August 22, 2008 at 12:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

SCfan01 -
“… Bunch of animals frothing at the mouth…”, I take offense to this comment.

Babyzdaddy –
“You can't rehab that JR. It's innate”. DITTO -VOID AND BLANK

Jr. – don’t underestimate the thoughts of a 13-14-15 yr olds. Adult mind vs. child? Hmmmm I strongly believe that people are not giving those young ones more credit for their intelligence / non-intelligence. Stupidity / non-stupidity, etc. etc. You have to take in account, was this person an only child, therefore being raised with adults only, therefore the mentality of an adult, vs. 5 children. See my point?

Hotwildflower – actually in defense of Camdad, I see strong convictions and in-tolerance, and not hate. Maybe I just haven’t seen it, read it yet? Not sure…. Hmmmm?

BabyzDaddy_01 – could it be plain and simple – that that was just a school project, and that’s what was picked to show to the public and therefore stereotyping. Like I said I’m not totally convinced yet. And Jr. is right, I still don’t know his associations, and for how long to set an impression. I do know he was fascinated with History. But I’m not ready to cast out Hate due to the account of a newspaper article. Trying to open-minded and trying to find benefit of the doubt

Posted by opns on August 22, 2008 at 12:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

SCfan01 -
“… Bunch of animals frothing at the mouth…”, I take offense.

Babyzdaddy –
“You can't rehab that JR. It's innate”. DITTO -DOUBLE VOID AND BLANK

Jr. – don’t underestimate the thoughts of a 13-14-15 yr olds. Adult mind vs. child? Hmmmm I strongly believe that people are not giving those young ones more credit for their intelligence / non-intelligence. Stupidity / non-stupidity, etc. etc. You have to take in account, was this person an only child, therefore being raised with adults only, therefore the mentality of an adult, vs. 5 children. See my point?

Hotwildflower – actually in defense of Camdad, I see strong convictions and in-tolerance, and not hate. Maybe I just haven’t seen it, read it yet? Not sure…. Hmmmm?

BabyzDaddy_01 – could it be plain and simple – that that was just a school project, and that’s what was picked to show to the public and therefore stereotyping. Like I said I’m not totally convinced yet. And Jr. is right, I still don’t know his associations, and for how long to set an impression. I do know he was fascinated with History. But I’m not ready to cast out Hate due to the account of a newspaper article. Trying to open-minded

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 22, 2008 at 12:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

JR:
You strayed but never stayed...right? It didn't stick to you because "no te nace", it's not innate for you to be that way. Just like if it wasn't innate for Brandon to be that way, he wouldn't have pulled the trigger...TWICE.

Posted by CharliesMom on August 22, 2008 at 12:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"I was just curious as to why my post brought out your concurrence with the accusation of "Hate and anger issues"

I'm sure many can agree that time & time again in various topics you show very strong hateful comments against Hispanics, immigrants and illegal immigrants. Makes you seem like a person full of hate, anger, and shall I go as far as saying...the R word? But that's another topic.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 22, 2008 at 12:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OPNS:
We don't know the concrete evidence that the DA has to bring in the Hate Crime charge, but from what's been said and from what I've heard, there might be enough there.

Posted by hotwildflower on August 22, 2008 at 12:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OPNS, my glimpse of hate with CamDad came with this statement here:

"As much as I wish Brandon would be sentenced to death"

Granted, I am not a fan of the death penaty as I am a pro-lifer all around, but I understand the death sentence is part of our justice system and I accept it. But to wish the death penalty on a 14 year old child, in my opinion, is hateful.

Posted by SCfan01 on August 22, 2008 at 12:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Camdad101

Nope, not talking about you, just people in general, as Don Henley would say, people love dirty laundry.

Posted by alex.poet on August 22, 2008 at 12:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Juniormafia, I and the US army have to disagree. I've fired real guns before, magnums, pistols, rifles, although I prefer a good handgun to a rifle.

Video games do train people how to use a gun, and yes, they even teach you how to deal with kickback. I was 15 the first time my Dad took me to shooter's paradise and a NRA convention. Its really not that different.

In today's world, our military sponsors First Person shooter video games, and even includes videos advertisements on the games, as they do in the Halo and Call of Duty series.

Heck, they even have their own video game! http://www.americasarmy.com/about/

This being said, learning how to shoot a gun is just another skill. I now know how to shoot several types of guns, but the only way I would use my mad skillz is if we were literally being invaded.

MCINERNEY used this skill to end a life without any justification. He did it cold blood, execution style, and just walked out of the room. That would make him a murderer.

As the NRA says: Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

So take your "wow" put a little salt and pepper on it to taste, and eat it. :)

Posted by hotwildflower on August 22, 2008 at 12:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I didn't take a swipe at you being a parent, I am sure you love your children very much. I know you are very passionate about their education and surroundings, which is why I had always given you the benefit of the doubt.

My comment was that as a parent, I find it hard to believe that you would wish the death penalty on a 14 year old child...how any parent could WANT a child dead, I don't get.

Posted by alex.poet on August 22, 2008 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Has anyone else been following the Tennessee shooting that happened in a similar style to this heinous murder?

"Student shot dead at US school"

13 hours ago

A 15-year-old boy was facing a murder charge after gunning down a classmate in front of horrified pupils during a dispute at a high school.

The victim, Ryan McDonald, 15, who lived with his grandmother, had alopecia, a condition that left him bald and the target of endless teasing as a child.

"He tried to have a tough exterior, like a shield, to fit in," his uncle, Roger McDonald, said. "He was a good kid ... who was dealt some bad cards in life."

The shooting happened on Thursday at the cafeteria at Central High School in Knoxville, Tennessee, Deputy Chief Bill Roehl said.

The suspected gunman was taken into custody minutes later on a nearby street. The suspect and victim knew each other, Knox County School System superintendent Jim McIntyre said.

Jamar Siler, 15, was charged with one count of first-degree murder and was being held in a juvenile court facility, police spokesman Darrell DeBusk said.

"This wasn't a shooting that was a random act," Mr Roehl said. "It was an individual directing his aggression toward another individual, not the school or the students inside the school."

The cafeteria was a popular place to gather before classes started at 8.30am, students said. Chad Griffin, 15, and Josh Matthews, 14, said that they were sitting about 10 feet away from the victim and talking when they heard a sharp noise.

Chad at first thought someone had dropped a book and then looked around. "He got shot and started walking and he was holding his chest. There was blood everywhere. And then he fell and his arm hit me," he said.

Pupils in the cafeteria began crying and scrambling to leave, while others tried to get in the room, thinking they had missed a fight, witnesses said.

http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALe...

Posted by opns on August 22, 2008 at 1:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hotwildflower – yeah “wish”, I see.
I too am in favor of the death penalty. Chain gang parents. Am I aweful? No just truthful and honest, but, he’s being honest with you and how he feels, if it makes any difference. He just posted and mentioned something about a swipe at his being a parent, I don’t bring to bring up old hash but, he was bruised. I don't like to instigate, but more of a testimonial type of personality, if you haven't figured already. haha
And how he feels about women, could very well just be ‘some’, and not all.
I too lived in Oxnard, love Oxnard, but wouldn’t live there. Maybe he’s using the tools in life to protect his loved ones. Does that make sense?

I talk and post too much (I have to stop this and go to posters anonymous, this is addicting). I should go back to the drug topic and post this one. AA anyone? But its been good for me for the time.

Posted by CharliesMom on August 22, 2008 at 1:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

alex.poet: Thanks for the article. I remember reading about this yesterday, and I see that just now they mentioned that the victim had the unfortunate alopecia condition, and he got teased for it. But it doesn't mention WHY he was shot? And doesn't give much info. on the shooter. Is it known what the motive was in this case?
Itseems the common denominator here is GUNS in the hands of children. It's all so senseless.

Posted by hotwildflower on August 22, 2008 at 1:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OPNS, being in favor of the death penalty isn't my issue. That is all a personal belief just as abortion is...I would not force my personal view on the subjects on anyone as they are both legal, however, death penalty of a minor is NOT legal and to wish death on a child just off.

Just stating my opinion on the subject.

Posted by CharliesMom on August 22, 2008 at 1:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

opns: like you and CamDad101, I also lived in Oxnard, and I LOVE Oxnard. (I certainly don't mean to get off topic here), but I feel I have to jump in with regard to CamDad's comments on Oxnard. Maybe you all have never lived anywhere else in the state, or country for that matter, but I do, way out on the other coast. And let me tell you, Oxnard is a freakin' PARADISE! More than you'll ever know!
Yes, like most places, it has changed, problems increase, & there are some bad apples. (And like you, of course I also have no tolerance for law-breakers, criminals, be whatever ethnicity they may be.) My gripe w/ CamDad is that he is CONSTANTLY bashing Oxnard by associating it w/ gangbangers, illeglas, criminals, etc. He has no regard for the other hardworking, decent, educated & professional people that live in Oxnard, and he just bashes it up like there's no tomorrow. He doesn't like it there? Fine, it's great he lives in Camarillo. But why talk so much sh**? That's all there is to say about Oxnard? How does that help anyone or anything? It doesn't!
As I read this somewhere else: "...Oxnard is not a homogeneous city. It's important to avoid broad-brush descriptions of Oxnard because there is tremendous variety in the city...don't look at one area and decide for the whole city. Oxnard is too big and varied for that kind of decision making."

Posted by 4PETESAKE on August 22, 2008 at 1:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

He planned on how to get the gun out of the house and onto school grounds..
he decided to kill Larry King..and that sounds like planning to me!!!!
I dont believe in the death penalty but this boy does need to pay for what he did. [[period]]

There is not a good enough excuse to kill!
He couls have missed and killed someone else..

My heart hurts for the parents who have both lost their sons...

Posted by brwnbear on August 22, 2008 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OK, the reason I say Brandon could rehabilitate himself, is for the reason that it says he was in honors classes, honor roll student. I may be wrong for thinking that way, but no where does it say he was disrespectful in class to violent assaults with other students. But i could be wrong.

Posted by opns on August 22, 2008 at 2:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

CharliesMom – I see

Where this may be true, I am fairly new to the reads here – I’ve noticed there could be a hind of it – but I’d like to think of benefit of the doubt, and go by example. People do change – everyone vents here, as painful as it is. We all get defensive, with all due respects, but too, I’m an optimist, he did sing KUMBAYA yesterday, and I can’t get that darn song out of my head today, what does that say? Maybe he’s trying – give him slack. Again, I’m fairly new to this, and probably haven’t been harshly insulted, but a little from him… but we have control if we’re going to get insulted. Things happen in peoples lives daily, take it a day at a time Charlie, but I do understand the frustrations with this.
I love Oxnard, (five gens there) but I prefer another city.

(boy do I feel like a councelor today) LOL

Posted by eguzie on August 22, 2008 at 2:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Honestly, i am tired of hearing about this loser kid. The fact is he MURDERED someone. Throw him in jail already.

Posted by brwnbear on August 22, 2008 at 2:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

eguzie, but you like reading the comments, your entitled to your opinion, about him as everyone else in here.

Posted by hotwildflower on August 22, 2008 at 2:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,4...

Look, CamDad, I come baring gifts...Truce.

Posted by alex.poet on August 22, 2008 at 2:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is the second time you're trying to say that I'm saying video games cause violence... uh- yeah? where did I say that?

I said its highly improbable that he can be considered a person who never used a gun before, be it real or fake. I said that he probably learned these skills from video games. If you infer from that that video games cause violence, then that's your call, not mine.

I've heard of selective hearing before, but your the only person I know of besides Ann Coulter who does selective quoting.

I don't blame video games for nothing except getting rid of my occasional boredom and improving my reflexes. And maybe that one seizure. lol.

And yes, they do use flight simulators to teach fighter pilots how to fly planes. They use flight simulators to teach Astronauts how to use the space shuttles You start from the PC version, then you graduate and they attach the PC to a grounded full-size c0ckpit with the 3 tv screens and a full instrument board, and then you fly with a copilot, and then you go solo.

Geez, I never thought the things I learned in Civil Air Patrol would actually have a use one day.

Here is a link to baseops.net which explains the rigorous training our fighter pilots do before they even get in a real plane. which includes flight simulators, academic training, and full size c0ckpits. It even has pictures.

http://www.baseops.net/militarypilot/...

I know you are referring to private pilots - but they kind of scare me, like the dude who ran into the side of a building last week or so in Oxnard. Maybe they should spend more time playing flight simulators.

Now back to the murder...

Posted by alex.poet on August 22, 2008 at 3:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

About the Tennessee case, they are saying in other reports that the two have been in fights before - this case he was also shot a point blank range, and also as in McInerney case, he simply walked out and was detained by the police two blocks away.

The news was playing sound bites of "This is not a random killing like the columbine massacre." something that was also echoed in the beginning of new coverage about King's murder.

Posted by flmrmom on August 22, 2008 at 3:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Camdad101, I completely agree with you. Although I would not word it as strongly as you do, I agree.
You can be a little harsh but sometimes the truth is harsh whether we like it or not.

Posted by opns on August 22, 2008 at 3:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

hotwildflower - your so nice

Do i get a sense i'm being mediator here?
Kumbaya, LOL still busting up. You all crack me up.

That's right go to your corners, put the gloves on, but shake afterwards. Good. Might take a week or two, or 3 but hey, it's okay.
I just hope that something positive could come out of this case - friendship - i don't know.

Posted by whatever on August 22, 2008 at 3:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I just hope this kid does not have to serve his entire life in a prison and he will eventually get out and have a life. King has some blame here and sorry to say but you just might see more of this type of thing happening when people with agendas pushing gay rights on those of us who want it stopped. I would not want someone like that hitting on me. It isn't right or normal. Maybe this kid snapped. But King wasn't perfect.

Posted by alex.poet on August 22, 2008 at 4:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

yeah, whatever, that's why we teach our children about sexual harassment.

Snapped? yeah, he snapped when he decided to get the gun. But that was several hours before they had class together and he shot Larry. That was plenty of time to do the right thing and talk to an adult about his issues instead of shooting the poor kid.

Unfortunately, you're in a conundrum. You live in a world where 10 percent of the population is some form of homosexual, which is about 30 million Americans. You can't breed them out, you can't kill them, and you can't ship them away - so yes, I guess your anti-gay agenda would be one of repression, seclusion, and treating gay Americans like second class citizens. This would definitely be the plan of action in Iran, where they supposedly don't have gays. This, unfortunately, would probably be waaay out of step on what California believes is fair for her residents.

Obviously, something is wrong with how people react. I have a gay friend who checked out the wrong guy at Friday's in Oxnard and he woke up at St. John's across the street. If a straight male can't handle being hit on, then he's not really acting like a stoic masculine thinking adult, but instead a reactionary fighting idiot.

Which is why we teach our kids how to deal with sexual harassment.

Posted by alex.poet on August 22, 2008 at 4:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Perhaps California schools should start looking into Thailand's use of a third bathroom for transgendereds to avoid the conflicts of the locker room that seem to keep occurring here and seems to be one of the early triggers for this deadly chain of events.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_wo...

Posted by alex.poet on August 22, 2008 at 4:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thailand has become a major hot-spot for transsexuals because sex-change surgeries there are more affordable and readily available than in most Western countries.
It's no surprise that some find themselves stuck between the 'ladies' and 'gentlemen' doors to the bathroom, but one school has actually added a third option for those young students who are less defined in their sexuality—transgender toilets.

BBC.com reports that a high school in rural Thailand has offered a "third sex" bathroom to students.

Already faced with the realization of their sexual identity, young boys who would rather be girls were finding themselves being criticized in the men's room, and making the teenage girls uncomfortable when attempting to use the women's room. So when the school's administration decided to help the situation, the frustrated students could not have been happier.

"People should realize that being a transsexual is not a joke," said one 15 year-old. "We're grateful that our school sees us for what we are."

Thailand has become a major hot-spot for transsexuals because sex-change surgeries there are more affordable and readily available than in most Western countries. Time Asia reports that surgeons believe the transsexual population in Thailand is perhaps more than 10,000 people.

But school officials seem less concerned with reflecting current Thai trends and more focused on the well-being of their students. One teacher commented on the transsexual students' past discomfort at school saying, "It distracted them from studying properly, so when we offered them their own facilities, they said, 'Yes please.'"

Posted by readerone1 on August 22, 2008 at 4:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It’s all a bunch of bull! Because unless they find that King threatened McInerney’s life. (which I don’t think they’ll find). Or he was being molested or beaten by Kind (which nothing points to that) What excuse could possibly merit premeditated killing of another? Harassment does not constitute it, even if King was hitting on McInerney still no excuse. Sorry kid do the time, you thought about killing and but not about the consequences too bad!

Posted by Scapegoat on August 22, 2008 at 4:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Those that encouraged Larry's sissy behavior are responsible. Especially Gottlieb.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 22, 2008 at 5:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why do people feel so "threatened" by homosexual individuals? Like they're worried about "catching" homosexuality. That's plain ignorant (in my opinion). Why are people not security in their sexuality (I wonder???)

I feel more "threatened" by adamant religious people and conservatives that push their ideas and beliefs on you and then call you out if you don't agree with them.

Posted by whatever on August 22, 2008 at 5:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BabyzDaddy_Said I feel more "threatened" by adamant religious people and conservatives that push their ideas and beliefs on you and then call you out if you don't agree with them.

I know what you mean, I am threatened by the adamant FAR LEFT loons that constantly push their far left agendas on me and then flame throw when you tell them that they are SO wrong!

Posted by ironwoman on August 22, 2008 at 7:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Brandon Mcineney is a cold-blooded killer and he deserves prison time. Hopefully this will go on until he's 18 and get sent straight to the big house.

Now, what does Larry King's records have that would give any defense? Nothing. I don't care what he suffered from or who he teased and supposedly "harrassed"...if he was sooooo bad, how come he didn't kill Brandon for bullying him? You people making excuses for Brandon "snapping" is really sickening.

Camdad101----You are on it but I don't think he deserves the death penalty....but you are right...how is it guaranteed that he is rehabilitated by the age 25? AND to all of those who think Brandon should be charged as a juvenile...when he gets out at 25, would you want your daughter dating him?

Posted by Scapegoat on August 22, 2008 at 10:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Brandon McInerney is a victim of the homosexual educational lobby, bad parents and an assistant principal named Gottlieb with the aforementioned lobby.

Posted by nelsonknows on August 23, 2008 at 12:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It's pretty amazing to me why anyone would be against investigating E.O. Green Administration and Faculty. If you live in the Hueneme School District, which I do, you have a right to know if the school followed federal and state's mandates and if administration at E.O. Green have or are covering up complicity.
How about if we let the courts do their job.

Posted by ironwoman on August 23, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

scapegoat- That's a nice scapegoat...to blame everyone else except the person that actually committed the crime.

I do have an issue with the school...the front page of the Star after Larry was MURDERED, a girl with PINK hair was being held by her mother....PINK Hair....isn't that called a bizarre and shouldn't that be against the dresscode???? So she can have pink hair but Larry shouldn't wear high heels according to YOUR standards.

How many other students look radical everyday and dresscodes aren't enforced???? I am sure Larry wasn't the ONLY one.

Camdad101-----How did you know I love that song? That was better than kumbaya...you just made my morning.

Posted by WolfWalker on August 23, 2008 at 1 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The people who are trying to blame Larry’s death on Larry. You sound like, well…
A mountain climber who says “It wanted me to climb it, because it was there.
A thief, who says, “they wanted me to steal it, because they got it.”
A rapist who says, “she wanted it, by the way she dress’s.
A child abuser who says, “the child wanted it because, he wouldn’t eat his vegs”
A murder who says, “they wanted me to kill them because, they were there”
A wife beater who says, “she wanted it because, she left a spot on a dish”
A bully who says, “he wanted me to bully him, because he was weaker them me”

Brandon killed Larry (in cold blood) in the back of the head with two bullets, and why? Because Larry said he liked brandon. I only wish I had that problem when I was in school getting chased, beat up, picked on and called names. And in high school every year the school bullies would threaten to kill me on the last day of school. And all because I wore glass’s. And I did fight back, by making them chase me, and most of the time, them running out of breath. Going to teachers or adults only made things worse.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on August 23, 2008 at 4:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I know Brandon is guilty as sin and I don't want there to be any appeals.
As stated by Camdad

Call me Dr. Anna or what you want. But you seem to have all the answers huh? Were you there? Didn't think so....and I fear you have issues to upstand your thoughts for Larry due to his sexuality, maybe you , a relative or a child is gay I dont know. But I do believe you have serious issues here.

Hotwildflower, I have read all or most of your comments and think exactly as you do on this situation. He could be helped. He is Guilty but he is guilty of being a child not an adult...

Posted by OxnardNative on August 24, 2008 at 6:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

slkrchck, are you fininshed? OK. Now get back to the topic at hand. This story is not about OxnardNative, it's about a killer who took the life of an innocent child. :-) Good day.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on August 24, 2008 at 9:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I know Brandon is guilty as sin and I don't want there to be any appeals.
As stated by Camdad

Call me Dr. Anna or what you want. But you seem to have all the answers huh? Were you there? Didn't think so....and I fear you have issues to upstand your thoughts for Larry due to his sexuality, maybe you , a relative or a child is gay I dont know. But I do believe you have serious issues here.

Hotwildflower, I have read all or most of your comments and think exactly as you do on this situation. He could be helped. He is Guilty but he is guilty of being a child not an adult...

Posted by julsthemom on August 24, 2008 at 5:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Being tried as an adult is okay by a lot of you...even tho he had just turned 14...but his lawyer should not be able to use these documents, if they do in fact have relavent info? Gimme a break...if they had chosen to try him as a juvie, I doubt the documents would have come into play. You can not have it both ways people...

Posted by chumash1962 on August 24, 2008 at 7:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

life in prison hands down nothing less

Posted by Why on August 25, 2008 at 2:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Life!!!! he's lucky if he gets out. There have been many studies supporting the fact that people who kill and commit haneous crimes are like that for a reason. Many of them were abused and/or at some point in there young life had some type of head trauma channging there brain. They can not be helped not matter what you do. If he gets out again he's gona do it again. He had no remorse or recoil for killing him he just did it. Doesn't matter if King was hitting on him . why not fight him like the old days, no he killed him. he took his life FOREVER!!!

Posted by CHICAGO on August 27, 2008 at 6:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hello-

I just came to know of this horrible shooting of Larry King.

I do not live in a box or under a rock, it is just that living in Chicgo I was unaware of this tragedy.

It is my understanding that he was shot for offering to be another boys Valentine and that he was living in some sort of shelter for abused and neglected children, Casa Pacifica.

So now his family wants to sue the school for allowing this to happen? Shame on them for this, they send their gay son to a shelter so they do not have to deal with his sexuality and now they want to line the pockets off of their slain son.

I do feel sorry that so many lives are now destroyed due to this, my heart goes out to Larry King, he should not have been killed for being gay or dressing the way he did. He is a human being that deserves the same respect that each and every one of use does, be it black or white, Asian, Latino, Muslim or Jewish, Gay or Straight, we are all on this planet living together.

My heart also goes out to the accused murderer. He should not be charged as an adult, he will have to wake up each and every day for the rest of his hopefully long life and know that he took the life of another human being; that will not be easy. But to lock him up with men twice his size and age is not what needs to be done. He needs some serious counseling not only for his hatred towards gay people, but for knowing he took a life.

And shame on Michael Mehan for stating that if Brandon had been born later all this would be swept under the rug as another child shooting another. Mehan needs to realize that any hate crimes should not be swept under the rug, they must be brought out into the light of day. Gay people in these United States are to be given the same respect and treated as fairly as our straight brothers and sisters.

I will be now following this story as it progresses through your newspaper since our wonderful national media outlets hardly seem to mention anything about this tragic story.

Posted by CHICAGO on August 27, 2008 at 11:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hello-

I just came to know of this horrible shooting of Larry King.

I do not live in a box or under a rock, it is just that living in Chicgo I was unaware of this tragedy.

It is my understanding that he was shot for offering to be another boys Valentine and that he was living in some sort of shelter for abused and neglected children, Casa Pacifica.

So now his family wants to sue the school for allowing this to happen? Shame on them for this, they send their gay son to a shelter so they do not have to deal with his sexuality and now they want to line the pockets off of their slain son.

I do feel sorry that so many lives are now destroyed due to this, my heart goes out to Larry King, he should not have been killed for being gay or dressing the way he did. He is a human being that deserves the same respect that each and every one of use does, be it black or white, Asian, Latino, Muslim or Jewish, Gay or Straight, we are all on this planet living together.

My heart also goes out to the accused murderer. He should not be charged as an adult, he will have to wake up each and every day for the rest of his hopefully long life and know that he took the life of another human being; that will not be easy. But to lock him up with men twice his size and age is not what needs to be done. He needs some serious counseling not only for his hatred towards gay people, but for knowing he took a life.

And shame on Michael Mehan for stating that if Brandon had been born later all this would be swept under the rug as another child shooting another. Mehan needs to realize that any hate crimes should not be swept under the rug, they must be brought out into the light of day. Gay people in these United States are to be given the same respect and treated as fairly as our straight brothers and sisters.

I will be now following this story as it progresses through your newspaper since our wonderful national media outlets hardly seem to mention anything about this tragic story.