Posted by 6bucks on August 20, 2008 at 5:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I wonder with eight people in a SUV if she even had a seat belt to use?

Very sad and probably preventable. My condolences.

Posted by venturan15 on August 20, 2008 at 6:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My condolences to the family.

I can not bring myself to even imagine what you are going through.

May the lord bless all of you and fill you with his spirit.

Posted by Hueneme_girl29 on August 20, 2008 at 7:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

6 bucks- agreed. Everyone else was ok, but she was thrown? I bet everyone else was buckled up.

Sorry for the family............

Posted by RebelGal on August 20, 2008 at 7:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I know this is a tradgic accident however, this put me off a tad and struck me as an odd discription.

"The girl's father, Leopoldo Torres, said his daughter was outgoing and 'someone who loved to talk to her friends on the phone and listen to music on her iPod.'"

Posted by LivinInPoorMansPV on August 20, 2008 at 8:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I love how all the grown up's need seat belts (afraid of getting cited, and probably think the child wont) and the little girl is not wearing one.

THEY MADE SEAT BELT LAWS BECUAS OF ALL THE CHILDREN THAT GET THWORN FROM VEHICLES. WHEN BABIES WERE GETTING DECAPITATED, THE STATE DECIDED TO MAKE IT A LAW.

Amo cómo todo el up' crecido; los cinturones de seguridad de la necesidad de s (asustados de conseguir citado, y piense probablemente que el niño no) y la niña no está usando uno. HICIERON LAS LEYES BECUAS DE CINTURÓN DE SEGURIDAD DE TODOS LOS NIÑOS QUE CONSIGUEN THWORN DE LOS VEHÍCULOS. CUANDO LOS BEBÉS CONSEGUÍAN DESCABEZADOS, EL ESTADO DECIDÍA A HACERLE UNA LEY.

Posted by venturan15 on August 20, 2008 at 8:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

high_society, I agree. Maybe her father can't express himself like others can, coupled with this is probably the hardest time he has had discussing his doughtier. Only 15

The article said she was not wearing her seatbelt, so lets give it a rest, the young lady lost her life!

Posted by beachgurl on August 20, 2008 at 8:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

RebelGal...it's probably pretty hard to come up with an eloquent description of your 15 year old daughter in the first few days after she was traumatically killed in a terrible car accident.
I'm just saying.

Posted by Hueneme_girl29 on August 20, 2008 at 8:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Livininpoormanspv-

Out of curiosity - why do you have to re-write all of your posts in spanish? It's kind of annoying...

Posted by brwnbear on August 20, 2008 at 8:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My condolences to the family. hueneme_girl29 he should at least do it right,

Posted by Hueneme_girl29 on August 20, 2008 at 8:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

lol brwnbear

Posted by opns on August 20, 2008 at 8:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr. Torres, I am so sorry for the loss of your daughter - many of us cannot even put our feet in your shoes, because it's so unbearable, i'm sure to say the least.
I have found that family could be of good support - but usually during a time like this everyone grieves so differently as grief is such a strange cycle for every individual. I myself have taken the classes in Bereavement Support, and I strongly urge you Sir, to please, for the sake of you and young ones, reach out and get some support such as:
http://www.livingstonvna.org/site/ber...

I wish you well Mr. Torres, and I pray for you and your children.

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on August 20, 2008 at 8:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Poor kid, I guess Cadillac Escalades are not as safe as they thought.
I can also say that there are times when my child wants to lay down in the back set on long trips and takes off the seat belt. When traffic get bad I tell my child to buckle up.

Posted by robert.w.ives on August 20, 2008 at 8:59 a.m.

(This thread was removed by the site staff.)

Posted by opns on August 20, 2008 at 9:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hueneme_girl29 Ditto
high_society Ditto
vcsexplorer11 Ditto

LivinInPoorMansPV drop it

Posted by venturan15 on August 20, 2008 at 9:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh yes sir Mr. robert.w.ives.

I wish I knew how to write in Spanish, so I could do it for you Mr. robert.w.ives.

And the forum you choose to make a point, poor young lady and family.

Posted by Hueneme_girl29 on August 20, 2008 at 9:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

vcsexplorer11-
I dont think that the traffic getting bad would be them problem. It just takes one little mistake, if I were you, I'd have your little one buckeled up at all times.

robert.w.ives- I agree

Posted by opns on August 20, 2008 at 9:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

OOps, i meant:

robert.w.ives Ditto

vcsexplorer11 - but still, light traffic or not, passengers should always be buckled, no buts. Keep your kid fastened. Under no circumstances should your child be unbuckled. whats up with you?

Posted by omie on August 20, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

they have SUV's which seat 8? and you will all trust your lives to that one driver?

Posted by beachgurl on August 20, 2008 at 9:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Regarding the spanish translation above....at least now we know that "thworn" is misspelled the same in both languages.

Posted by opns on August 20, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

THWORN and BECUAS

Had to go back and re-read that one. and caught the becuas.

Posted by Relvd98 on August 20, 2008 at 9:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Just so many grammatical errors in English and Spanish.

Anyway, I send my most sincere condolences. I've lost family members in auto accidents and it is indeed heart breaking.

Posted by Relvd98 on August 20, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

GM Junior ;)
Well I didn't catch that, but thanks Junior.
Hey, I sent you an email.

Posted by NowHearThis on August 20, 2008 at 9:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

WEAR YOUR FRICKIN' SEAT BELTS PEOPLE. This death could have been prevented!

Posted by Relvd98 on August 20, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LMAO @ Pog!

Posted by eggsorpancakes on August 20, 2008 at 9:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I wasn't really bothered by the English/Spanish guy. Just skipped right over the post and didn't read it. Easy enough to do...

Posted by mauid2005 on August 20, 2008 at 10:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is a definite tragedy and I'm sorry for the family. But I do wonder why she was not wearing a seat belt and where she was seated. If it's an 8 seater, there should be 8 belts. Unless it was a 7 seater with 8 people. Everyone, no matter the age, should always wear a seat belt.

And not that I'm defending him, but perhaps he put his post in Spanish because he thinks the family speaks Spanish? But he should have checked his English spelling before translating into Spanish and even then, you can't use an online translator for the entire paragraph because it just comes out dumb ...

Posted by Latina_805 on August 20, 2008 at 10:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

lol pog.

jr. i noticed that too, especially at "grown up's" is "up' crecido". I think livin' was just trying to lighten the mood a little.

Posted by brwnbear on August 20, 2008 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

El senor, LivinInPoorMansPV necesita unos cursos de espanol, para que no sea la risa del dia. lol

Posted by Relvd98 on August 20, 2008 at 11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Estoy totalmente de acuerdo con ustedes.

Posted by Latina_805 on August 20, 2008 at 11:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

lol brwnbear. did u use a translator for that? j/k

Posted by venturan15 on August 20, 2008 at 11:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A young lady lost her life guys.

I'm sure the family will appreciate your condolences in English or Spanish.

Please pick a better forum for your debate and knowledge of translators. Let’s have a little respect for the family. I'm sure the family will read this.

Thank You

Posted by Relvd98 on August 20, 2008 at 11:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I admit and apologize for straying off the topic. venturan15, I've sent my condolences.

Posted by brwnbear on August 20, 2008 at 11:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Latina_805, claro que por supuesto que no.
My condolences to the family.

Posted by opns on August 20, 2008 at 12:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pog, is that a picture of you?

Posted by opns on August 20, 2008 at 12:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Your right Venturan 15
I apologize for the disrespects to this family.

Posted by dkplant on August 20, 2008 at 12:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My family and I were on the scene of this accident on our way from Idaho to Vegas. It was devastating. All we could do is pray and cry with the family while we waited for the ambulance to arrive. We didn't know their names until we found this article.

Believe me the family is totally aware of their mistakes and wish they could take that day back. I just signed up for this forum. Is its purpose to "preach" to these people or consul? Words cannot express how awful it was and so I want to let the family know I'm still praying for you. Now I have names to put with your faces (if you are even reading this).

After leaving the scene of the accident I cried for an hour on the road and gave my 11-year old a huge hug (I didn't want to let go). It has affected me greatly, so I can't even imagine how it must be affecting you.

dp
PS - If your thinking of this family in your prayers just know that there were actually 9 people in the car (including Torres).

Posted by opns on August 20, 2008 at 1:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dkplant - i'm without words right now - i'm sorry.

Posted by imonlysayin on August 20, 2008 at 1:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Another story - this time from Seattle - about a local person dying in a car accident.

http://www.king5.com/localnews/storie...

Posted by Relvd98 on August 20, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just read that article. So sad, so young. Concolences to the family of this young man.

Posted by opns on August 20, 2008 at 2:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

camdad - give this person (dkplant) a break, i'm sure they see what we do here. be more respectful, my goodness, they were right there in the midst of consoling the family. Take it easy. Just ignore this person. I've recently learned..... anyway, again, so sorry dkplant you had to go thru this. Your in our prayers tonight as well, as I know how difficult this has been for you.

Posted by opns on August 20, 2008 at 2:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah Jr. your right, i misread. thanks jr.
Camdad........ i'm.......sorry....okay?
Awwe gee, can we be friends again.

Posted by LivinInPoorMansPV on August 20, 2008 at 3:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey girls Hueneme & HS!!!!

This is the FIRST time I have ever done that, I got the idea from another poster (you may be confusing me with).

And the reason I did it was because I want to make sure that people that can't read ENGLISH can have some idea about the LAWS about SEAT BELTS that they may be too busy to learn or care about.

And I used babelfish. I WISH I COULD interpret read/write Espanol!!! That would be awesome. I dropped out of Spanish in HS, I couldn't stand the head phone thing, gross!

RIP Lucero, so young too soon so very sad

Posted by LivinInPoorMansPV on August 20, 2008 at 3:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks Junior....someone with a brain!

This is VERY upsetting to me, and yes i made some typos because i was typing fast.

vcsexplorer11-----AH THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS LIGHT TRAFFIC! WHAT IF SOME DRUNK THOUGHT EVERYONE WAS GOING 90 BUT THEY WERE REALLY GOING 35 AND THEY PLOWED INTO THE BACK OF YOUR VEHICLE THROWING YOUR CHILD RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW. DID YOU GO TO DRIVERS EDUCATION? WHAT IGNORANCE!

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on August 20, 2008 at 4:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Between desert cities there are long distances of road with low traffic. This is a exception to the rule and rarely do I do let my child lay down without the seat belt, especially because the back seat reclines.

My GUESS is that there were 2 factors here. One was that the lady was most likely on her cell phone of distracted by something she shouldn't be doing, the second is she had no knowledge how to control her car to avoid overcompensation when it went out of control.

There needs to be a video game that shows how to avoid car accidents. NO, not GTA.

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on August 20, 2008 at 4:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh, I was talking to LivingInPoorMans PV.

Es necesario que haya un juego de vídeo que muestra cómo evitar los accidentes de tráfico. NO, no GTA

Posted by opns on August 20, 2008 at 4:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news...

Sad Sad.

Posted by NenaLatina30 on August 20, 2008 at 4:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OK you guys are too hilarious...Me dan mucha risa!!!..Pero de todos modos mi pesame a la familia Torres...

Posted by LivinInPoorMansPV on August 20, 2008 at 4:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

vcsexplorer11

Wow, your kidding right? Uh if the driver made sure all her passengers were wearing there seat belts this girl may still be alive. My son can lay back fine with his seat belt on. I won't put my car in drive until EVERYONE is wearing seat belt, because that is my duty as the RESPONSIBLE driver.

HS I have to tell you, that get's me too! I take my friends phone away, if they need me to make the call or text for them I do. I hand my son my phone to do the same if i am driving, it is not worth it!

Posted by 805Nana_1 on August 20, 2008 at 7:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My condolences to this family and my prayers are with you.

I'm sure most of you are not as old as me. But I remember as a little girl my family traveled to Colorado every year. Of course we did not use seat belts back in those days (I don't think our car even had seat belts?) I used to lay in the back window as we traveled down the highway or lay on the floor board with pillows. I even remember my kids standing in the back seat and yelling at them to sit down and stop jumping around. I don't know how any of us are alive today. Can't imagine not wearing a seat belt anymore much less my grandchildren.

Buckle up people........Click it or Ticket

Posted by SoSad on August 20, 2008 at 8:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Did one of the posts say there was actually 9 people in the SUV?

Posted by wolf9walker on August 20, 2008 at 11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Everyone’s posting about buckle up. And that’s fine. But most of you are forgetting 1 thing.

<The Highway Patrol reported that Chacon "became inattentive, drove off the road and lost control." >

Not only is the driver responsible for belting everyone. (As a couple of you have said) she is also responsible for how she was driving. I sure she’s upset now. But she is responsible. We all are responsible for our driving; I see it every day. People not paying attention, to they’re driving. I’m also seeing more people using cell phone to the ear.

http://www.thetrucker.com/News/Storie...

http://www.ghsa.org/html/projects/OTL...

Posted by opns on August 21, 2008 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Camdad, hey! stop it, i don't want to have to rescind my apology. Move on. Bad boy.

Any updates to this story?

Posted by gribble on August 21, 2008 at 3:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I actually knew her, we have had classes together since middle school. She was very social and very funny. she always said things that made people laugh and she was very nice. I heard today in an assembly that she died and I couldn't believe it, I thought it had to be a mistake. I felt so numb the rest of the assembly thinking how I would never see her again, that her life was gone. I can't help but wonder why it had to be her, she was one of the nicest and funniest people I've met. The class clown at times, and she did get angry sometimes but she was a truly nice person. I had her last year in english and P.E.... R.I.P Lucero.....wow, so unbelievable....

Posted by gribble on August 21, 2008 at 3:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OH and the story teller is saying her name wrong it's not luchero, lucero, like lucy. loose arrow.

Posted by eguzie on August 22, 2008 at 2:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

um..dont they teach kids to wear seatbelts when the nice police officer comes to your class in kindergarden? they are there for a reason. :)

Posted by live_for_purpose on August 23, 2008 at 9:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Most SUVs can only legally seat 7 people at most, although some can seat 8 or maybe 9. People should not overload vehicles either by weight or by number of people (I am not saying that is what happened here). I wonder if there was a free seatbelt for her that she could have used?

Posted by opns on August 24, 2008 at 8:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

gribble -
I'm so sorry for the loss of your friend - tell your friends that i answered your comment - and i will be praying for all of you to get on with your new school year, i know you all will treasure her memory for the rest of your lives. You kids be strong okay. Remember always to buckle up without being reminded to. This is an ugly lesson for all of us. Keep your spirits up and remember that many of us are thinking of you and praying during this difficult time.