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Family of shooting victim files claim against Hueneme School District
The family of slain Oxnard eighth-grader Larry King has filed a personal injury claim against the Hueneme School District, alleging that educators' failure to protect the boy led to his death.
The boy's parents, Dawn and Gregory King, along with his younger brother, Rocky King, are seeking unspecified damages related to the fatal shooting of the 15-year-old boy as he sat in English class at E.O. Green School on Feb. 12. The claim says district officials failed to enforce the dress code, putting the feminine-dressing King at particular risk, even though they knew he had "unique vulnerabilities" and was suspectible to abuse because of his perceived sexual orientation.
Under state law, individuals cannot sue public agencies unless they first file a claim. The district received the claim Friday, a few days before the deadline for filing one.
District Superintendent Jerry Dannenberg could not be reached today for immediate comment.
King's classmate, Brandon McInerney, has been charged with murder and a hate crime for King's death. He has pleaded not guilty.
Posted by oxnardian23m on August 14, 2008 at 12:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
where was the family of this kid to begin with, why was he in Casa Pacifa, where were they then?? sounds to me like they want a paycheck!
Posted by goodday on August 14, 2008 at 12:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Camdad, I totally agree with what your saying. Where were his parents when he walked out of the house wearing the girl clothes and stilletos? Was there a dress code at home?
Posted by theholymartyrofgravity on August 14, 2008 at 12:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
http://www.newsweek.com/id/147790
Read this, Here is some REAL reporting!
Posted by missbri805 on August 14, 2008 at 12:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
this is really sad, and frustrating. This poor family has suffered but the thing is, as a parent if you're kid has theses "vulnerabilities" then you should talk to the school b4 anything unfortunate like this happens. If the bullying isnt stopped you march you butt down there and talk to someone in person. I just couldnt imagine how suing the school could even cross your mind after your child was shot to death! i would be a wreck and suing the school would not be my first prioirty.
Posted by byteme on August 14, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
that's a bunch of crap. They didn; teven take care of him. If they did why the heck was he in Casa Pacifica? He was being raised by taxpayers money.
Posted by omie on August 14, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
gold diggers, his parents should have taken better care of thier special kid, not the schools responsibility. If he doesn't have all his marbles, why put him in a public school where we all know anything can happen these days.
Guess the our Schools need to be parenting the kids now, is that what I am understanding from this?
Can we bring back paddles to help parent kids with behavior probs?
It was only time, before some lawyer got a hold of these gullable dare I even say the word parent to file suit against an organization that will get crapped on regardless of what they did right or wrong.
Posted by emzoco on August 14, 2008 at 12:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The suspect's family will be next. In trial their attorney will place a heavy burden on the school staff and the district for not enforcing a dress code acceptable for boys and girls. We've have become very lax in "everything goes because minors have rights." But we've have become afraid of minors and disturbing their rights. There are millions of adults who didn't have "rights" when we were minors. We dressed how the school said and our parents backed them, not us. By the time this trial is over, many things will change.
Posted by goodday on August 14, 2008 at 12:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
When I was in school the dress code was enforced, but my mom always checked what I was wearing too. My mom always says " If your looking for trouble you will find it" Don't get me wrong, he didnt deserve to die but his parents should have been more involved in his life then to prevent tragedy.
Posted by ffemt2018 on August 14, 2008 at 12:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Think about this if the school would have said " Larry you can't dress like this at school" they might have been getting sued by the parents with the aclu's help for discrimination.
Posted by getreal on August 14, 2008 at 12:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
From what I understand Larry DID follow the dress code. His parents make me sick. They didn't care enough about him until he was dead and now they want to be paid for it. Unbelievable.
Posted by Ms_California on August 14, 2008 at 12:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Remember the old saying.. it takes a village to raise a child? I believe this, I don't condon the family seeking damages but I believe that both the parents, the school administrators and Casa Pacifica officials had the means to help possibly prevent this tragedy. Although Brandon was probably not going to get over whatever issue he had with Larry I would hope that it wouldn't have lead to him killing him in such a horrific manner.
If the family is awarded any sort of money, I would hope that the King family would donate any money they received from this to some sort of child advocacy program (NOT Casa Pacifica!) and do something good out of such a terrible tradgedy.
Posted by opns on August 14, 2008 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
chiclets - so true, i remember that, parents use to reprimand us not to pull up the skirts, remember? The schools use to call the home back then too.
If any restitution - it should be the the foster parents who did their part - unlike the parents in this case. The parents should be put behind bars. How sick that their trying to get a buck on their dead sons expense. But it dosen't surprise me.
Posted by RebelGal on August 14, 2008 at 12:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
That family is ridiculous. I can understand wanting to blame someone for what happend, they have done that. The school is not responsible for making sure a boy is not wearing makeup and heels, that is the PARENTS responsibility. That newsweek article that was put up really showed the breadth of what king had to deal with growing up. How sick can you be, trying to profit of your child's death when you did nothing to protect him yourself.
Posted by jill on August 14, 2008 at 12:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I really hope the school district does not settle with these parents. I hope this goes to trial and when the parents lose, they are ordered to pay all court costs including the school district's lawyer's fees. Sounds like someone is hoping to win the lottery. This makes me sick!
Posted by Franko on August 14, 2008 at 1 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Camdad-Totally agree with your post! First they didn't want this child, now that he is gone and could possibly generate lots of money, they are interested? Leeches is putting it nicely.
Posted by oxnardian23m on August 14, 2008 at 1:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
like i said before where were the parent?? why was Casa Pacifica raising this poor boy?? His parents don't deserve a penny!
Posted by swtnsassy on August 14, 2008 at 1:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree that they should have been there before this happened not now. Unfortunately I saw this coming...in the last article their attorney was mentioned (Mr. Pell) and it was only a matter of time.
Posted by sandypants83 on August 14, 2008 at 1:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Un-f'n-believable!!!
Posted by oxnardraised on August 14, 2008 at 1:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Are these the same people he wasn't living with? The ones that didn't know how to handle him so they put him the care of a home?
Posted by Equitable_Enforcer on August 14, 2008 at 1:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Check out AB 777. It will make any reasonable person cringe.
My opinion with whatever facts I have at hand:
The Kings knew that with a RAD kid, who might also be autistic, they'd need to maintain consistency, structure and lots of unconditional love. The Kings tried to maintain that consistency, structure and love. The so-called "professionals" didn't realize that false accusations of abuse is one of the major symptoms of RAD. They took Larry at his word that he'd been abused by his adoptive father. He was removed from the home. Why the false allegations? Because the Kings tried to reign in Larry's conduct so that, among other reasons, he'd not be at risk in the school environment where he'd been threatened even prior to the transfer to E.O. Green. Larry knew that he'd be able to get out of the home and perhaps would find people who would not get in the way of his increasingly bizarre behavior.
Within Casa Pacifica and E.O. Green, Larry found plenty of support. The support by a vice-principal, herself a lesbian, may well have been the catalyst that placed Larry in harm's way. Of course, that doesn't excuse Brandon McInerney's behavior.
Civilized society must have limits. We are increasingly taking positions in the courts that allow any minority group or opinion to override the majority - sometimes with tragic results.
Again - just my opinion.
Posted by byteme on August 14, 2008 at 1:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Shame on these so called parents...where is their dignity and pride? They were the ones should have been there for this poor child. they have NO SHAME
Posted by brwnoso on August 14, 2008 at 1:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This is bull chet, They are definetly GOLD DIGGERS.
Posted by Latina805 on August 14, 2008 at 1:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm not here to defend the parents, or the school. Honestly, who is really at fault? Only the person who shot the gun. Unfortunetly, the person who shot the gun, was a young 14 year-old. Larry King was different, from you and me, but he was still his own person and had a right to express himself, he also had a right to live. We don't know if he was receiving counseling or he wasn't, we can only speculate. But if he was at Casa Pacifica, I'm sure counseling was being offered.
If I had to put some blame, at this point without knowing the true facts as to why he was in Casa Pacifica, I would blame some of it on the school. A dress code is a dress code, it should have been followed and they turned their heads when he wasn't dressed properly. That's the "system" failing someone else.
Either way, and I'm not saying this is the case for the Kings...when a tragedy happens, grief and sorrow sometimes turns to "anger" to sometimes hurt the system the only way possible.... With money.... sometimes, that's the "only" OUT, for the pain. I'm not sure if that's the case with the Kings, but it could be.
I know many times, the courts take a child away from their parents, because they feel the parents are not raising them right...we really don't know why Larry wasn't living with his parents, don't forget, one son still was. What we do know...is that he was murdered, and family and friends are still grieving.
I hope, that the Kings are doing this for the right reason. If they are not, then...sooner or later, they'll have to atone for it, but that's on them.
But lets be honest, sometimes, you have to hurt the system to implement change, since it's the only way the "system" will listen...when money is invovled.
Posted by 805m0mma on August 14, 2008 at 1:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm sure Mr.Pell suggested filing this lawsuit-more money in his pocket!
Posted by abbyjacks on August 14, 2008 at 1:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This really says something about the parents....
Posted by SDO on August 14, 2008 at 1:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm new to this blogging, but it seems that a lot of these posts are going off of very limited information. The Kings (the family filing the lawsuit) were not Larry's biological parents, nor did they abandon him to Casa Pacifica. I recommend reading the Newsweek article (there is a link that was posted near the top of the comments) to get a better perspective on the relationships and efforts made before jumping to conclusions.
Posted by BeaHappi on August 14, 2008 at 1:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow, the Newsweek article was something else. I honestly don't know what to say.
Two lives...one gone forever and one will never be the same.
Posted by brwnoso on August 14, 2008 at 1:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Can't really give no comments after reading the newsweek article
Posted by cyndi6540m on August 14, 2008 at 2:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This is absolutely disgusting! Though I sympathize with the parents, for their loss, the idea of suing the school for refusing to accept responsibility for your own failure to protect your child is very sick! Why not work on making sure this doesn't happen to another child? Both the victim and the suspect have lost more than any of us will know. Stop placing blame on others and look in the mirror and reflect on how you could have and can make a difference.
Posted by mommainthe805 on August 14, 2008 at 2:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Sad how the parents are trying to pin their failures on the school...there is NO reason I would send my son away to live in a home, no matter how DIFICULT....and better believe that until my son is at an age to decide how he wants to live his life, I would not allow him to dress like a chick. I'm bi, myself and am not homophobic (back-off), but believe that is a decision that he can make as an adult. NOT AS A CHILD going to school, where he would cause a distraction, and especially because of violence against gays. Cross-dressing is not a life-choice that a teen can maturely make. The parents should have put in an effort. My mom did not like the way I was dressing and acting to old for my own good as an early teen so she took away my makeup, my blow dryer and took the door to my bedroom off it's hinges. It was tiring for her, but her daily relentless effort to curb my behavior likely saved my life.
Posted by Comments on August 14, 2008 at 2:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I personally feel that the school admin has a lot of responsibility here and I knew it was only a matter of time before they were sued. In my opinion they failed both of these boys. Yes, Brandon bears sole responsibilty for Larry's murder, but there is a lot that the school could've done to defuse the situation and they didn't.
So, I can see why Larry's family would sue. However, I'd like to know who is going to sue Larry's family for failing him as well? Because clearly they too mishandled caring for their son. And, who is going to sue Brandon's family? I'm sure that's next. Then again, Brandon's family can also sue the school and maybe even Larry's family. Everyone can just sue each other. Cripes.
Posted by VOR on August 14, 2008 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Equitable_Enforcer, Right on the money. I hope that the Kings really put it to school district, the county and Casa Pacifica. That may be the only way they get the message and change. You have to hit them where it hurts because they certainly don't respond otherwise.
The Kings never had a problem with Larry going to school in female attire. They knew what he needed as a RAD kid and gave him the guidance and care that was appropriate. The county in their infinite wisdom decided that they knew better how to care for Larry and his special needs and we all see the result. An out of control vice principal that wanted to try her own social experiments which mainly caused things to get out of control and actually kept other teachers with some common sense from doing their jobs. I hope the Kings go after each and ever person that is involved in this for everything they own, I know if it was my kid I would do the very same.
So all of you out there that think this is about money or gold digging grow up and face reality and look at the facts before making stupid remarks of which you know nothing about. This is what it takes nowadays to prevent this type of thing from happening again. Who knows next time it could be your kid and tell me you wouldn't do the same.
I bet the papers are being shredded even faster now that the clock is ticking, but the truth will come out and it won't be pretty.
Posted by rebel123 on August 14, 2008 at 2:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Camdad: You hit the nail on the head. If that weapon had been secured in a manner that all the gun nuts...sorry...ENTHUSIASTS should understand and abide with, this never would have happened.
Posted by VOR on August 14, 2008 at 2:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
caddieman805,
what about a foster home? I don't get what you are saying, sorry.
Posted by VOR on August 14, 2008 at 2:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
caddieman805,
I think you have the wrong idea on what happened. The Kings did not put Larry in a group home. While Larry was at home he would never have been allowed to go to school like that. They had a structured life for him trying to teach him to be responsible for his actions. The county, not understanding the RAD Kid syndrome put Larry in the group home which was a big mistake and made things worse as we can see. It allowed is RAD to grow and get out of hand.
Read up at http://www.radkid.org if you want to see what they were up against and how the county could have made the error that it did.
So don't be so quick to blame the family. I do not believe that it was their choice and they didn't have any control over the decision.
Posted by NenaLatina30 on August 14, 2008 at 2:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
WASN'T E.O GREEN A UNIFORM SCHOOL?? I COULD HAVE SWORE THEY WERE...BACK IN THE DAYS
Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 14, 2008 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I cannnot believe the KIng Family! How in the world is it the districts fault? I mean really Larry yes wore stilletos, but the dress code is based on colors.. and he stuck by that.. The School did not dress Larry before he came to school. He decided to dress like that and Legally there was nothing the school could have done. Greg and Dawn King im sorry to break it to you but $$ will not bring Larry back. Shame on you King Family.. Shame on you!!
Posted by holdenon_2000 on August 14, 2008 at 2:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Equitable_Enforcer
You must be an attorney. Fist of all your name says sue someone all over it. Of course your want to support the lawsuit. You support all lawsuits, and on both sides of the fences!
I do think the school should have done more, but I think the school needs to address this by firing and hiring new staff.
How do you sue when your child instigated an assault? That would be like having a gang banger sue the city police for not protecting him against the rival gang. Unless the Vice Principal encouraged this behavior (dressing in womens clothes & making advances at obviously straight boys, then the school was only a location that this act happened at. If he continued to act out his sexual misconduct something would have surely happened, whether it be at an employer, team sport, nightclub, etc. Larry King knew that his behavior had a price. Unfortunately someone took his life, but if he needed "protection" then he should not have been blowing kisses at other boys.
Just because GAYS have rights, does not mean they can infringe on other peoples rights.
Again had a girl killed her sexual harassing classmate after repeated requests to stop, everyone would say she was protecting herself the only way she knew she could.
Posted by mauid2005 on August 14, 2008 at 2:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
How is it solely the fault of HESD? With the limited information provided via the Star and Newsweek, I personally feel that the parents are just as responsible as HESD. As parents, biological or not, the Kings' had a responsibility to Larry. They were to protect him, love him, care for him. Sure, they may have done what they thought was best for him. They sent Larry to school dressed out of code. Unless he would change his clothes as he got to school. Casa Pacifica should have NEVER allowed a boy to wear stilettos to school. I don't care if I'm stepping on rights or not... A dress code is a dress code! With that, EO Green admin should have held Larry accountable for being out of code. If he didn't listen to them, call the parents, send a note home, send him home ... So many different things should have happened. I bet that dress code will now be revised to specifically state no makeup or boots to be worn by boys. There are some things that are black and white - no gray in between bs.
Posted by VOR on August 14, 2008 at 2:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
caddieman805,
Sorry but you are talking about something that you know nothing about. Larry never cross dressed while he was at home with his parents and they would certainly not have let him go to school that way. This was a whole new thing that came out after he started living at Casa Pacifica and was under the influence of the Vice Principal at EO Greene. There is no way they would have allowed him to go to school like that even though the issue never came up. There is so much misinformation out there and speculation so I do not blame you or the others for their hateful ill informed comments. The Kings were pretty good parents I would say, even with all of the frustrations with Larry's problems they stuck with him. The problem is that the government thinks they know how to parent better then the parents. Just take a look at bill SB777 it is a joke and pretty much says that a parent has no more rights to raise their kids. It is a real shame and I am afraid that this is just the tip of the iceberg once there is a change in the administration and the "Nanny State" reigns supreme.
Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 14, 2008 at 3:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
what's next.. The McInerney's are going to sue Green for allowing Brandon to bring a gun to schooL!!
Posted by VOR on August 14, 2008 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
caddieman805
"what does the schoold have to do with his dress code? Who got those clothes for him? The school? Casa Pacifica? Who gave him clothes? They are the ones that have fault here!"
Sorry to disappoint, but it was a school teacher that gave Larry a dress to wear. It was the Vice Principal that allowed Larry to violate the schools dress code (though shalt not dress in a disruptive way) against the complaints of teachers that knew of the problem. It was Casa Pacifica that started taking him to Rainbow meetings and took him to purchase female clothing and allowed him to dress in them to go to school. All of this was done without notifying the parents. So yes to your questions it was them and not the family.
So you tell me caddieman805 is it the parents fault, I think not. Get your facts straight. There is a lot of people to blame and the only fault I find with the King family is that they didn't sue all these agencies the moment they stepped in and thought they could be better parents and took Larry. But as you know gov't agencies can be very intimidating with their Gestapo tactics.
Posted by rdlgallo on August 14, 2008 at 3:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
STUPID PEOPLE! If the parents couldn't get the kid to dress in the right clothes, why hold the school district accountable?
Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 14, 2008 at 3:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The only person to blame here is Brandon. He got the Gun, He Planned it, NO one made him do that other than himself. Larry had every right like anybody else to dress like he wanted. (when in school he followed the uniform policy-based on colors) I personally do not agree with cross-dressing.. but when you stand back and see the big picture.. You see that Larry was well within his rights to dress like that. and honestly I think that even if he would have never dressed in girl attire..whose to say that Brandon would have not pulled the trigger? I mean really.. Brandon did not kill Larry because of the way he dressed! right? again King Family SHAME on YOU!!
Posted by mauid2005 on August 14, 2008 at 3:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm confused but that's easy these days.
VOR, do you know the King family personally? Not that it makes any difference, just curious. You posted "The Kings never had a problem with Larry going to school in female attire." and "Larry never cross dressed while he was at home with his parents and they would certainly not have let him go to school that way." You also posted that the Kings were providing a structured home life.
I don't understand the hoopla surrounding Joy Epstein's "promotion" to principal. I doubt it was a "good for you, look at what you have done" promotion. Maybe she was the better candidate, maybe it was to get her out of the school. Not sure what that has to do with this case.
I do understand how Ms. Epstein being a lesbian can lead us to believe that she was coddling Larry but I doubt she was taking him by the hand and leading him down the road to being gay. I don't know the boy or his family and I won't pretend to know but perhaps he was confused and if he did suffer from RAD, maybe this was his way of lashing out and perhaps she was the only one he related to. I think the Newsweek article stated Ms. Epstein ignored other administrators and teachers that complained about Larry and his behavior - that should have never happened.
The parents, the school system and Casa Pacifica all had a part in this boy's life and unfortunately, they all failed him.
Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 14, 2008 at 3:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
she is moving becuase there was an opening. and like any normal human being when there is a promotion available you are more thatn likely going to aply! and oh yeah she was the only bilingual applicant! so yeah she was very qualified!
Posted by mauid2005 on August 14, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'll go out on a limb here and say that it's possible Ms. Epstein, the assistant principal, is leaving EO Green because there was a principal position open at another school and perhaps she qualified for, before all of this happened and was waiting till the end of the school year. Her name is all over the place so I doubt she was thinking she "would save face" by leaving the school.
Posted by BeaHappi on August 14, 2008 at 3:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The school is damned if they do; damned if they don't.
If they wouldn't have supported Larry's individuality the ACLU and God knows who else would have been all over them for showing prejudice.
In my opinion they did the best that they could in a very difficult situation. Perhaps with his ADHD and RAD Larry should not have been in a mainstream school at all...
The bottom line is that Brandon had access to a gun, came up with a plan, and carried it out. It just so happens that he did it at school but he could have picked any other place to shoot Larry.
How the King family could even think of suing the school district is beyond me. It's absolutely ridiculous.
Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 14, 2008 at 3:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
BeaHappi I absolutely AGREE with you!!
Posted by mauid2005 on August 14, 2008 at 3:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
slkrchk - I know Epstein is going to an elementary school, didn't know about Lovestedt. Sorry for my confusion - said it was easily done ;0
Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 14, 2008 at 3:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Posted by slkrchck on August 14, 2008 at 3:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
no she was vp. she got that job a long time ago. the principal.joel lovestet is leaving. the parkview principal is taking over."
Mr.Lovestedt is not leaving. Where did you get that from?
Posted by heritagevalley on August 14, 2008 at 3:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Maybe if his parents sat down with him and told him how flaunting his sexuality would make certain people angry, especially kids 10 and up who make fun of everyone.
How can schools be the psychological, political, and authoritive organization that parents your children for you?
If your kids are being harassed then its time to change schools of take care of the issues your child has created or become involved in.
Posted by missing805 on August 14, 2008 at 3:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The newsweek article sheds a lot of light. Heres what I get from it. Some of my thoughts are contraditcting I think. I fell for everyone even for Brandon. Why for Brandon? the article states that nowdays kids are coming out because they have the word "gay" and know what it is. But what about Brandon, how can you expect a young kid to deal with another kid harrasing him that he wants him and that he is gay. Please, im not condoning his action, but being 14 is a difficult age, what was going on at his house was difficult. This was a kid, who probably did not know better. PLUS he saw his dad get away with almost murder. The dad chokes his mom and only gets 10 days in prosin? He probably thought, I kill this kid and get 1 year in prison. It seemed Larry ENJOYED harrasing the other kids. the article said he loved seeing them Squirm. What about the school? it seemed like they tried taking action, but lets remember how many times we've seen on TV that a kid colors his hair red, he is sent to the principal, and than they sue the school for taking action. Although I do believe that assistant principal Epstein, has a lot of blame. She decided to put her personal feelings before her job. And actually encouraged this type of behavior. Now she upsets me. Now if this family would have gotten a lawyer ( like they are now ) when their kid was taken away, than maybe we wouldnt be having this discussion. Heres a thing that strikes me, the father said that he thought by supporting Larry, he would do more good than bad? Now if a father said " well I though if I bought my kid weed and had him smoke it in my house, I would be helping" we would make him worst father of the year. how is this different? I dont know, both kids stories are tragic. I know its easy to blame the parents. But too many idiots are having kids. I know this comment is long, but people need to take responsability for their actions. And suing the school is not one way.
Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 14, 2008 at 3:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
*-missing805-*
yeah the newsweek did spill a lot! But how much of that is actually TRUE! Larry never wore hot pink boots..! and in the article they also state that the school legally could not have done anything to stop Larry from dressing like that. and then later in the article they are bashing the school for allowing him to dress like that..
Posted by brwnoso on August 14, 2008 at 3:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
juniormafia, Newsweek also wrote that King would be teased in the gyms dressing room by the boys.
Posted by brwnoso on August 14, 2008 at 3:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
But, I would give Brandon a second chance. He could still be helped if he really wants too.
Posted by Logic_andFreedom on August 14, 2008 at 3:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The School is ultimately to blame. We drive our kids to school, and then we just have to TRUST that some adult will watch them.
WE ALL are also to blame because we vote down Education when we vote.
Anyone involved in human services should be paid more highly than other jobs.
NO ONE sees that schools need more staff.
And thanks to Gov. Arnie....cutting the school's budget, children being murdered is what we get.
Larry was a special needs child.
Posted by dc_n_vta on August 14, 2008 at 3:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
well said juniormafia
It seems to me that both King and McInerney are the victims of social politics.
Just sad that these parents want to cash in on this tragedy.
Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 14, 2008 at 4 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I dont think it is in the record at all that BRandon ever went to any faculty or principals with complaints about Larry. He might have told the other students but they don't or didn't say anything.. just like the "friend" brandon told that the following day would be Larry's last day.
Posted by beachgurl on August 14, 2008 at 4:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
So sad for both these young kids. I totally agree with all who blame the parents and their apparent lack of responsibility to their sons. I have a couple teens myself, those preteen years are so tough and confusing. I remember happily playing with all my friends (boys and girls) and then one day someone "liked" someone else and those carefree days were over. It sounds like neither of these boys had anyone they could go to to help them sort out the feelings and experiences in a mature fashion. Larry certainly couldn't get guidance from his parents regarding his homosexuality and sounds like Brandon's folks were too busy getting stoned and beating each other up to be of much help to him. No amount of money will bring back Larry. I want to get in line behind Camdad and vomit on his parents:)
Posted by BeaHappi on August 14, 2008 at 4:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
After reading about Brandon's parents and what they put him through, a juvenile detention center might very well turn out to be one of the better and more consistent places he's ever been.
I don't think that Brandon should have to rot in prison forever. My hope for him is that he can be reached and the anger and emotional issues that plague him can be healed.
This is still such a sad story.
Posted by sbeach on August 14, 2008 at 4:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You reap what you sow!!
Posted by missing805 on August 14, 2008 at 4:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Logic and freedom your name does not match, you said the schools are to blame but say that they dont have enough money or support for help? So your telling me that were tellinig the schools "Here are my kids, take care of them, by the way I wont give you the tools for that" I still think schoold are not to blame. At the end of the day, My parents spanking and constatnt attention made me the person I am today. At the same time, they gave that same attention to my brother, but he made bad decisions later in life, so you cant blame parents for everything, but at 14 and the way these 2 kids were raised. Yes, you can blame them.
Posted by dmickey751 on August 14, 2008 at 4:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You all keep saying parents....... this young boy was NOT living with this family they deserve NOTHING all they want is money. You didnt want him in your house becasue he was gay but by Goodness you want the money. This is sick and wrong. You love your child no matter what!!!!! SO you dont want your gay son but you sure want the "gay" money............Makes me sick
Posted by dom_kenpo on August 14, 2008 at 5:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Something about a busload of attorneys going off a cliff....what was that called again?
While the parents are at it, I'd suggest they litigate the following:
1. Gun manufacturers for making the guns - clearly all guns are evil, and the people who make them must be punished
2. The School District for not having flak vests in the dress code - clearly the skool did not take into account the inherent dangers of skool life
3. The teacher or principle who gave him the dress - clearly, it should have been Kevlar woven and capable of stopping a round from a firearm
4. Makers of spoons, as they caused Rosie O'Donnell to become fat
5. President Bush, because I am sure somehow someone will attempt to tie this to him
6. The hospital, for not bringing the kid back to life
7. Oxnard PD for not reacting fast enough
I am sure an attorney who is smarter than I am can come up with more reasons.....after all, I graduated from publik skool.
Posted by julsthemom on August 14, 2008 at 5:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Figures....they did not accept their son as is when he was alive...now they are after the pay out for his death. Unacceptable unless they plan to donate every penny to PFLAG as restribution for their own lack of tollerance...doubt that will happen.
Posted by ebrockway on August 14, 2008 at 5:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Camdad101;
Totally spot on from your first post. Slimy scumbag lawyers trolling the lottery hook snagged 'em a good 'un.
Don't forget our own Camarillo High being sued via Oxn HS District because that poor girl had her lunch money stolen.
Thanks folks! And all the people defending such lawsuits should get together and pool their OWN money to pay any judgement. Quit advocating taking money from MY kids.
Posted by lilmamma on August 14, 2008 at 5:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It is sad Larry King is now a paycheck for his parents. As usual people are pointing the finger and the blame on everyone else but themselves.These boys parents did not raise them and now the prison system will finish raising Brandon and Larry is dead. After the lawsuit settles and Brandon is convicted we the people of California should sue The Kings for the foster care cost, the cost of counseling, and pain and suffering. The failed Larry not us!!
Posted by mas on August 14, 2008 at 5:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I think that people that don't know what the heck they are talking about need to shut up. Until you have stepped into the King's shoes you have no idea what so ever what they are going through, or have been through. I don't think a one of you people have the facts straight, and that includes Newsweek. I can't believe you people passing judgement on a family who has lost so much. As for Brandon, their parents still are able to see him, aren't they? This whole discussion makes me sick.
Posted by croniedad on August 14, 2008 at 6:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Although it is tragic that a young man died while attending school, this is another example where parents defer their responsibility as parents to the schools and its faculty and administration. If he was sent home from school for inappropriate dress, I would imagine the parents would be the first to file a complaint that their son was not being treated fairly and that his rights were being violated.
Posted by BeaHappi on August 14, 2008 at 6:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm not judging their parenting; I don't know them nor have I walked in their shoes.
But I don't see how suing the school district makes any sense either.
Posted by ironwoman on August 14, 2008 at 7:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
They should sue the Mcinerney's for raising a monster....charge him with full victim restitution, pay for Larry's funeral, medical expenses and pain and suffering.
Posted by ebrockway on August 14, 2008 at 7:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TheVeracious1; mas;
Not judging their parenting skills, or lack thereof. I think as parents they bear responsibility for his upbringing, not the school or the district.
It's not the responsibility of the school or school district to station an armed peace officer in every class to insure nobody ever falls victim to violent crime, you may well object if they did.
It's not the responsibility of the school or school district to place "unusual" children in protective custody in a class all to themselves to protect them from violent attack or bullying. Again, you'd object if they did.
It's not the responsibility of the school or school district to manually frisk each child entering class to protect the majority from violent attack or the temptation to use drugs. Objection, call the ACLU.
It's not the responsibility of the school or school district to interrogate every misbehaving child, run psychological tests on each to insure they will never act out violently. Scientologists would be upset, and you might be as well.
Therefore, comma, suing the district and or school because a child met a violent end while in class is in my opinion, an attempt to;
1. Win the "lottery" at the expense of the rest of the kids.
2. Lash out at others for their own self-perceived failures at parenting.
3. Get even for the death of their child, no matter who it hurts or who has to pay.
4. Some or all of the above.
Now here's where most fans of legal action lose all comprehension. We are all taxpayers, in one way or another. Even if you're on welfare, an illegal alien, an alien from space living in our midst, you still pay sales tax. Most I'd guess pay what's known as "Income Tax". Some pay more than half their income in taxes, but I'm going to confuse you two going off that direction.
This tax money goes to pay for police, fire, schools, teachers. Most is wasted on social programs, but again, you'll get lost if I go that way.
Now, despite what you hear from most politicians, tax money is not unlimited NOR does it belong to the government. It is OURS. Yours and mine. We all kick in, hopefully to pay for all the above and more.
Now if someone, say the parents of a child murdered at school by another child, sues the school, there's less money for books, teachers, lights, and sirens to respond to the school when things go haywire at school. Even if they LOSE the lawsuit, it can and does cost the district multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars to pay attorneys to DEFEND the school. We lose. Even if as taxpayers we win the suit, we lose.
You aren't suing a school or district, you are suing your friends, neighbors, everybody in the district. Get it yet?
Probably not.
If you really feel it's all our fault this child died in school, by all means, sue us all. But make it more real. List every one of us in the suit, by name. When your own name comes up in the suit, and the supenoa comes in the mail to your house, I bet you'll get it then.
Posted by caokie on August 14, 2008 at 7:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
If the school did anything about the way Larry dressed, they most likely have sued for discrimation. As I said right after this happened the only people jumping for joy have J.D. after their name. To the lawyers if it's not about the money then take the case pro bono.
Posted by VOR on August 14, 2008 at 7:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow is the word coming to an end or did hell freeze over? I find that I actually agree with something that TheVeracious1 has posted. How about that!
You are right TheVeracious1 most of the people here are totally in the dark as to the actual events. I will not waste anymore time posting as there is really no point. People will believe what they want to believe no matter how wrong it is. Just like the idiot that thought Larry was buried in a dress instead of a suit. Where do they come up with this crap? One last time let the ill informed folks out there know that Larry's father did not put him out of the house because he was gay. He did not put him out of the house at all in fact. This happened purely because of the misguided folks at the county that had no idea what RAD was about and thought they knew better how to meet Larry's requirements. So that being said, people will say and propagate whatever rumors they want and it will grow like a game of telephone until nothing is even close to an actual facts. But in reality it is all meaningless what the other people think, in particular the folks that post here. So keep slinging the mud, and pray that some day you do not find yourself in the same situation as the Kings. Based on what I see here, very few of you could handle it.
Posted by mtnbkr on August 14, 2008 at 8:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I think I'm gonna sue the Star for making their articles avaiable for me to read, even when they offend me. It's not like I have a choice about what to read......Right?
Posted by AnnaWhaat on August 14, 2008 at 8:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RC Isn't Casa Pacifica a live in home for unruly children? They live there and not at home....that is what I thought. Kind of like giving up on them and letting someone else handle thier problem kid.
juniormafia, I agree, the School did play a big part in all of this. Anything distracting should not be worn. They should have made him wash the blue eyeshadow off and gave him a pair of gym shoes to wear at school, not mentioning the harrassement he caused to Brandon. It was a known fact and they did nothing........
Also we really dont know the mentality of Brandon. Obviously he was having a breakdown from the teasing he went through. Yes punish him, BUT NOT as an adult..........
Posted by NavalAviator on August 14, 2008 at 8:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Attorney Steve Pell at his very best.
Posted by jill on August 14, 2008 at 8:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Casa Pacifica is a place for kids who have nowhere else to go.
Posted by Equitable_Enforcer on August 14, 2008 at 8:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TheVeracious1 and VOR, thanks for your objectivity. Many of the people posting here are simply spouting rhetoric without even looking at facts. None seem to understand that RAD is a mental illness the diagnosis of which is covered in DSM IV. Most have obviously not researched the sympoms of RAD nor the extent to which a family must go to keep a RAD kid on the straight and narrow.
When Larry, an adopted son and not a foster child, was removed from his home because of false accusations of abuse, he was empowered. That was exactly what NOT to do with a RAD kid. The so-called "professionals" who removed Larry set the stage for what followed. They are as bad as the ones who killed little Jocelyn Hernandez and, ironically enough, the supervisor who set the stage for her agonizing and cruel death was ... promoted.
And, to the person who said I was an attorney and in favor of suing. Sorry, thats not me.
Posted by pjlove10 on August 14, 2008 at 9:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
My two cents. The parents of this poor victim should not be allowed to profit from this horrific crime. Suing and taking away more resources from the school district is not the answer, nor will it bring their son back. The defendant should be sent to prison for a very long time for what he did, possibly life.
Thanks, goodnite.
Posted by BeaHappi on August 14, 2008 at 9:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
If anything they should be suing to have people fired, etc. for not doing their jobs...if that indeed is proven.
That would speak volumes.
PS: I agree that the teacher who gave Larry the dress was TOTALLY out of line.
Posted by BeaHappi on August 14, 2008 at 9:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
How could the school predict that Brandon was going to take matters into his own hands? Did Brandon go to school officials and talk about what was happening? Did any kid at the school complain about Larry's behavior to an administrator or teacher?
When did Larry become part of the IEP program? When he was diagnosed as ADHD and RAD? Or more recently?
Again, I'm not judging the Kings but if Larry were my child I would feel that I had failed him...as a parent. I'm sure they are devastated but I still don't know what will come out of suing the school district.
The only person that's clearly to blame is Brandon for pulling the trigger. To place monetary blame on a school district that has more than 1 student seems entirely inappropriate...in my humble opinion.
Posted by ebrockway on August 14, 2008 at 9:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TheVeracious1;
Of course not! Should all schools now have a Psychologist on staff now, at over $100,000 per school?
So the school "knew" or was warned about his profile? And did his profile include the fact he'd be murdered because of this? Oh, schools need a psychic on staff as well I suppose!
And providing women's clothes for boys, or even allowing them to wear them to school from home is out of line, In My Opinion of course.
Oh, and in today's PC world, since when is "being gay" interpreted as "bizzare behavior"? Or even being transgender?
Stay tuned, cuz you'll see more and more of it at schools in the future.
Posted by BeaHappi on August 14, 2008 at 9:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Also, Casa Pacifica is a wonderful organization and they do many amazing things for children. Anyone who is not familiar should take the chance to learn more.
Posted by camarillomomma on August 14, 2008 at 9:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This is INSANE!
I read the Newsweek article as well! I don't know what to believe. But from what it seems, Both these young boys had issues! They needed help, and all the adults in their lives, parents, teachers, faculty, everyone, did nothing or little to prevent this!
While I don't beleive that sueing the district is the right thing to do, because to me, the damage was already done, the kids could have been counseled, but i think regardless of that, Brandon was gonna do what he planned to do. It seems like he suffered alot of harrassment as well. They both did.. They both needed More Love, and attention from their parents first and foremost! And because the Lack of it, they are both suffering.. King's life ended, and Brandon awaits his hearing to see if he has a life left!! This is sad, shameful and crazy.
Posted by ebrockway on August 14, 2008 at 10:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Makes you wonder how many more are out there, teachers have to deal with AD/HDD, a multitude of other disorders, non-english speakers, lil' gangsters, now this? No school can cover all the bases!
"...lot of provoking, attention seeking, extreme behavior that had caused conflicts with other children." That could be a lot of things. Even knowing specifically what problem the kids have, a plain vanilla public school isn't the place for dealing with every case. How to tell which kids are in danger? Which will grow out of it?
Only way to be sure to cover all the possibliities would be to ship all these kids to expensive institutions, or have one school designated as "Special Needs". Then guess what? ACLU suit, because you are now stigmatizing and labeling children. What other options are there? All I hear is blame the school. "The school should've..." what? Not enabled. OK, that's one, arguably we're back to "denying his sexuality", soon to be a misdemenor no doubt, but I'll give you one.
What else? Cover every base and possibility or you'll be sued!
Hmmm, sounds like an idea for a home game.
Face it, you'll never have Absoulte Safety for all children everywhere. No perfect blame for the school.
Oh, teacher enabling gets fired, if you can come up with a reason for termination that'll pass the union grievance filed soon after followed by, yes, another lawsuit.
Posted by Amazon on August 14, 2008 at 10:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Camgurl, I agree.
The problem comes down to the parents----Larry's biological parents failed him at the get go; He was already damaged by age 2. And Brandon's parents failed him tremendously. (But I'm sure Brandon's family will try to sue the school as well.) Unfortunately, one can blame everything else, but it really comes down to the fact that the people who were supposed to be raising these kids properly from the get go really let them down and both kids were psychologically scarred and acted out. They are both victims. They both shouldn't have been allowed to attend that school at all. Not with their history.
Posted by Amazon on August 14, 2008 at 11:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
ebrockway, you're right.
With all the reasons you mentioned, I'm not surprised anymore with the popularity of parents sending their kids to alternative independent studies schools nowadays. It's a way for kids (oftentimes gifted) to get through school without all the side drama of normal school.
Posted by Amazon on August 14, 2008 at 11:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TheVeracious1, I suggest you read the entire Newsweek article.
About Brandon:
He began hanging out with a group of misfits on the beach. Although he was smart, he didn't seem to have much interest in school. Except for Hitler—Brandon knew all about the Nuremberg trials and all the names of Hitler's deputies. (When other kids asked him how he knew so much, he replied casually, "Don't you watch the History Channel?" Brandon's father says his son was interested in World War II, but not inappropriately.) By the end of the first semester, as his overall GPA tumbled from a 3.3 to a 1.9, he was kicked out of his English honors class for not doing his work and causing disruptions. He was transferred to Boldrin's English class, where he joined Larry.
Sorry Veracious, but a well-behaved kid does not just bring a gun to school and kill someone out of the blue.
Posted by ebrockway on August 14, 2008 at 11:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
... and Amazon, how would you justify telling their parents they can't attend whatever neighborhood school they choose? No benefit of hindsight, can't see the future. Another lawsuit.
Know how many more kids are out there with similar history to Brandon and Larry? In this county alone, heck, in Oxnard alone? Does anyone? Broken homes everywhere.
One child being yelled at by their parents for misbehavior is another person's definition of abuse. Try reason with an emotionally disturbed child? After working all day, dealing with teacher's, needing to make dinner, gak! Maybe you have, I don't know.
You can't stop them from going to school, and there are no alternatives I know of.
Posted by Amazon on August 14, 2008 at 11:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Read two posts above ebrockway. I agreed with your post after I wrote mine. Too bad one doesn't have to have a license to become parents. I'm actually scared to send my future kids into classrooms with lunatics raised by imbeciles. And before anyone chimes in about how much better private school is, I know a lot of kids with screwed up parents that go there as well. I guess it's just like the real world, you take your chances and hope you're in the right place at the right time.
Posted by ebrockway on August 14, 2008 at 11:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I went out back just now. Ate an Eskimo Pie (yum) and searched the clouds and moon and stars for answers. Know what I found?
There are none. Permissive is in, and it's here to stay. Discipline is out and it's gone forever. People are stressed at home and bringing it to work (including teachers), and stressed at work and bringing it home (including and especially parents).
There isn't one thing seemingly getting better on this earth, including our schools. Including our homes.
Sorry to be so dismal, but every answer you can come up with, somebody else will come up with the exact opposite answer and fight just as hard for it. Vouchers? LOL. What else....sue 'em out of existance I guess.
Hope God is real and comes back soon I guess, cuz we're skrooed otherwise.
Posted by ebrockway on August 14, 2008 at 11:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Amazon;
"I guess it's just like the real world, you take your chances and hope you're in the right place at the right time."
THAT'S IT! That's the answer! And when you're in the wrong place at the right time, don't sue because it was just your luck. Moon and stars.
Posted by nospin on August 14, 2008 at 11:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ebrock- no matter how dismal your writing is. To me it's always refreshing to hear or read the truth. IMO- you nailed it except for one little part...It's only gonna get worse..feel me?
Posted by ebrockway on August 14, 2008 at 11:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yup, actually "skrooed" was my "getting worse" lol
Yes, getting worse. Don't know whether to arm my kids to just tell 'em to "RUN FORREST RUN"!
Posted by Amazon on August 15, 2008 at 8:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
TheVeracious1, AGAIN I suggest you read the entire Newsweek article.
About Brandon:
He began hanging out with a group of misfits on the beach. Although he was smart, he didn't seem to have much interest in school. Except for Hitler—Brandon knew all about the Nuremberg trials and all the names of Hitler's deputies. (When other kids asked him how he knew so much, he replied casually, "Don't you watch the History Channel?" Brandon's father says his son was interested in World War II, but not inappropriately.) By the end of the first semester, as his overall GPA tumbled from a 3.3 to a 1.9, he was kicked out of his English honors class for not doing his work and causing disruptions. He was transferred to Boldrin's English class, where he joined Larry.
Sorry Veracious, but a well-behaved kid does not just bring a gun to school and kill someone out of the blue.
Are you Brandon's attorney or friend because you keep on repeating yourself about how great a kid he was, despite reports that he wasn't.
Posted by Equitable_Enforcer on August 15, 2008 at 8:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
For some years I was involved in a legal and official capacity with children who suffered emotional problems and who were mostly on psychotropic medications. Since that time, I've been involved, on top of a long work week, with legislative reform. My goal is to eventually override the psycho-babblers, judges and social workers with legislation that would prevent cases like Mario Jiminez and Jocelyn Hernandez by not ever allowing the return of severely abused children to their abusers. "Anger management" is next to worthless and does nothing to help when women bring boyfriends into the home. Both cases were local. I state this so you can understand how strong my position is about SUBSTANTIATED abuse.
Even with that history, but with many hours of classes on RAD as well as personal experience with RAD kids - I feel strongly that Larry King should not have been removed from the home. Any social worker with RAD training, which should be required, would have first chosen to work with the Kings. To let Larry have his way at the first report of abuse, knowing his behavioral history, was a death blow to the structure that the Kings had been trying to build and set in motion the increasingly bizarre behavior that was contributory to the tragedy that followed. That tragedy could have been prevented, but the same thought processes that returns children to their abusers went into AB 777 and our former vice principal's inappropriate managerial conduct. She went outside of her job description, thus, should not be protected from legal action.
Posted by BeaHappi on August 15, 2008 at 9:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Equitable_Enforcer...in your opinion, if Larry had remained in his home, would this horrible outcome have been avoided?
I completely understand what you are saying and it makes sense to me. But how does suing the school district tie into Larry being removed from his home and being sent to Casa Pacifica?
I really am trying to understand this awful situation without passing judgement. Obviously we are only privvy to what we read here and in other articles. But since this tragedy shocked not only our communities but many parts of the country, I think it's normal that people have opinions that they feel strongly about voicing.
Posted by Simon on August 15, 2008 at 1:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Schools in America cannot win. If they don't allow boys to dress up as girls, they get sued by the ACLU. They can't discipline students or the parents and ACLU sue. If they do ANYTHING that even implies infringement on a student's free will, they get sued. And now, by complying with these edicts, they are getting sued because they DID NOT infringe on the student's free will. This country is SCREWED UP!! THANKS ACLU and all you freakin' LIBERALS!
Posted by dom_kenpo on August 15, 2008 at 2:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Larry only started dressing in January 2008." - does that mean he came to skool nekked?
Posted by einahpets on August 15, 2008 at 9:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Casa Pacifica is both a residential facility and a short-term shelter placement. I believe Larry was considered a shelter placement.
Services are somewhat the same however, most kids are pending placement either to a foster-home or group home. There are some whose behaviors warrant residential placement which is known to be the most restrictive placement.
Again, as I have posted before it is important to note that kids in placement (shelter or residential) have rights, and can file a complaint if they feel they are being treated unfairly (example, if staff members did not allow Larry to wear specific clothing). I am sure this was discussed among his team (professionals overseeing the case). We need to be focusing on what discussions took place with regards to his educational placement...was this the best one for him since he has had issues (death threats, etc) in the past.
I think its inappropriate for the adoptive parents to sue. They gave up on him when things got tough, now want to cash in? If its not for money then use it to put laws ( more school counselors, tolerance trainings for youth, and staff development focusing on such issues) in place to ensure this tragedy does not happen again. No $$ she be given!
Posted by nelsonknows on August 18, 2008 at 3:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Camdad101, I do not think you are getting the point to this at all. There is evidence of sexual harassment committed by Larry King against Brandon McInerney and even though that is NO excuse for murder, McInerney had NO excuse, PERIOD, E.O. Green is complicit in not following state and federal law which means that if E.O. Green Administration had followed state's and federal law, Larry King would be alive today. Larry King's own father is suing the school for failure to comply with Title 9 and for wrongful death.
Furthermore, E.O. Green is a uniform school which means every student attending E.O. Green is required to comply with a dress code, except for Larry King, who in a January 29th email to all teachers at E.O. Green, was allowed to openly violate this dress code, thus receiving preferential treatment, even at the protest of several teachers. Many students had complained about sexual harassment at the hands of Larry King and nothing was done.
I hope you get my point in all of this, it would have been simple for E.O. Green School to solve this before anyone got hurt but the school administration, who are Mandatory Reporters by law, refused to take action allegedly because of political agenda of an openly gay Assistant Principal, Joy Epstein.
It's amazing that Newsweek Magazine could cover this story with a 5 page report but all we get from the Star are reports from the very same people that have been trying to cover this up from the start.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/147790
Posted by nelsonknows on August 18, 2008 at 3:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Now Joy Epstein has been awarded for her failure to comply with state's and federal laws by being promoted to Principal of Sunkist School. Great job Hueneme School District in awarding an administrator who has refused to comply with state's and federal law. Hueneme School District is really going to love being investigated by the State's Attorney General and the U.S. Attorney.
Posted by bbbdugout on August 19, 2008 at 10:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
well it looks like the majority has spoken - simply another person trying to get a free paycheck - not to mention the low life lawyer who is also looking to get fat rich on the taxpayers - after all our taxes pay for the schools - they have lost there child - enough is enough - as parents, the money won't bring him back and will not stop the grief or make it any better for anyone else - except that lawyer...
Posted by crazymind20082009 on August 20, 2008 at 1:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
These parents are NOT leeches.
Where was the security on campus. It is the schools fault for letting a student come on campus with a gun FAILING TO SCREEN HIM and allowing for the bullying.
This boy/girl which ever is most comfotable had their life cut short. And I do not agree with the attire for school because it is a distraction again I argue it is the schools fault for allowing this kid to come on to campus with our the proper screening. In a newsweek article Larry stated he had troubles in school and the bullying- even on days not 'dressed up' and the schools did nothing!!
Kids these days are more developed and think they know what they are doing....I ask where was the accusants (Brandon) parents- didn't they ever talk to him about human life??
frustrated and angry at the school system!!
Posted by nelsonknows on August 20, 2008 at 4:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Camdad, why don't you bother looking at California Statues.
http://www.bullypolice.org/ca_law.html
Have you even HEARD of title 9 U.S. Code? Here is a guide to Title 9 on sexual harassment.
http://www.equalrights.org/publicatio...
Read the Newsweek article.
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