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Your letters: August 13, 2008

Unfair sentencing

Re: your Aug. 1 article, "Mission to succeed":

Accepting drug addiction as a brain disease, how can we ethically jail any person for the crime of succumbing to it, without funding and offering effective treatment?

This article contrasted the Lighthouse Women and Children's Mission program, a free, nine-month, Christian-oriented treatment course provided to some women in lieu of jail, which showed a very effective 85 percent five-year success rate for the minority graduating, to the apparently ineffective shorter, for example, state-funded Proposition 36-contracted programs.

Lighthouse Director Cassie Sorenson said this "is the only free program of its kind in the county and the only practical option for poor women."

If similar nonreligious, paid programs existed here, offering enrollment to indigent defendants, would it satisfy constitutional church-state separation concerns over an arguably coercive nonchoice between religious indoctrination and jail? Effective court-supervised treatment, with strict noncompletion penalties to encourage majority completion, would also be relatively cost-effective.

That county judges irregularly allow Lighthouse treatment of women may be an abdication of the state's responsibility to provide due process and equal protection to all defendants — of any sect or gender — convicted of relevant drug offenses. Hopefully, demand from a public informed through ongoing, precise, in-depth reportage will compel our politicians to make sensible policy decisions in our "war on drugs."

— Dennis Lucas,

Camarillo

Not one to lecture

Re: your Aug. 12 article, "Russians open up new front in Georgia":

Who is President Bush to lecture Russia at this stage of the game on anything?

Speaking of games, while Rome is burning, Bush is in Beijing enjoying his favorite activity: watching sporting events instead of dealing with the multitude of problems facing our country and the world in the days and years to come.

Shame on those who voted for him to lead our great nation!

— Steve Binder,

Oxnard

Venturan for Wal-Mart

Re: your Aug. 8 article, "Wal-Mart initiative signatures submitted":

Nan Waltman was quoted: "The sheer number of signatures should make it clear to the city and to Wal-Mart that Venturans don't want Wal-Mart here."

Not that it matters, but I have lived in Ventura for more than 40 years, consider myself a Venturan and do not object to Wal-Mart.

The sheer numbers Waltman talks about are 13,000 possibly valid signatures, which do not necessarily represent the 105,000 people in Ventura. As she suggested, some signers may not live in the city and may not be registered voters.

I suggest that many people may have also signed more than once just to get rid of the annoying petition gatherers in front of stores. I observed many more people not signing the petition than signing it. Perhaps if the gatherers offered signers an option in favor of Wal-Mart, the outcome may have been entirely different.

— Ray Holzer,

Ventura

Homeless everywhere

A few months ago, The Star had an article stating that the county is on a 10-year path to have the homeless off our streets and into different living situations. My question is this: How many tourism dollars are we losing in the next 10 years because, in my city, I see homeless people everywhere I go?

The post office, Target, Vons, Trader Joe's, the mall, the beaches, the boardwalk, the harbor, parks, everywhere downtown. They are lying in the grass, sprawled out in groups, chatting it up, as if they are on a sleepover at a friend's house. Love it when it's a warm day and the men take their shirts off. And don't even get me started on Santa Barbara!

Where I don't see homeless people are towns like Cambria, Solvang, Cuyucos. They seem to have figured it out; why haven't we? Ten years, are you kidding? Could someone call those city fathers and find out how they did it? I would like to see more tourism dollars here. It's good for our city, but why would someone want to come here?

I'm glad Cathy Brudnicki, executive director of the Ventura County Homeless and Housing Coalition, is proud of the survey she took, but with none of her information being substantiated, I don't see how that helps us. Someone make the call!

— Elizabeth Burrows,

Ventura

Opting out didn't work

I just wanted to put the Ventura citizenry on alert that our city leaders and staff have ignored our instructions to opt out of the dreaded 911 tax (fee).

I just received my telephone bills for both my residence and business and have found that they indeed have charged me the 911 tax (fee) even though I was probably among the first 1 or 2 percent of telephone users in the city who opted out of the 911 tax (fee).

I believe that our city leaders and staff had no intention of making sure that this was done properly and actually wanted everyone in the city to be charged, thinking that they would not notice this item on their bills. In fact, the way it reads as "local government fee" on the bills hides its true nature and will be overlooked by those not in the know.

If there was no intention for this to happen, then that just shows that they are all more incompetent than I actually thought they were. After all, they have had more than four months to get this right. So watch out, Venturans!

— Richard A. Pillow,

Ventura

Not a Cowboy' fan

Re: your Aug. 1 sports article, "Free to be a Tank on defense":

I did not share The Star's enthusiasm for the presence of the Dallas Cowboys and their training camp in Ventura County this summer. The Cowboys are one of two NFL teams (the Oakland Raiders are the other), which repeatedly put out the welcome mat for all the castoffs, troublemakers and outright criminal offenders who have been sent packing with good riddance by their former teams.

Led by their win-at-all-costs owner Jerry Jones, the Cowboys lead the league in players who set the worst possible example for our youths.

The Aug. 1 article featured Tank Johnson who was in jail last year for gun possession and probation issues. This year's featured Cowboy reclamation project is Adam Jones, currently serving a one-year league suspension for his involvement in a Las Vegas shooting incident.

It's not that I'm against second chances, which everyone, including these two, deserves, but owner Jones hands out far too many of them for one organization, especially one with such high community visibility.

If you believe Jones' motivation really stems from helping troubled players revive their careers, you probably also believe that subprime mortgage lenders were gratified at seeing financially incapable borrowers realize the dream of homeownership. This team owner will resort to any tactics to pad his win column.

For me, personally, Southern California is not, and never will be, "Cowboy Country" and no amount of positive coverage by The Star can alter that fact. Now that the Cowboys have broken camp in Oxnard and returned to Texas, I would like to see them stay there for all their future training camps.

— Dave Epelone,

Camarillo

Put Romney on ticket

Sen. John McCain needs Mitt Romney as his vice-presidential nominee to win this election.

By far, Romney is the best man, and he has proved he can work with and assist the president to make us proud of America.

I call upon Rep. Elton Gallegly, our Ventura County representative, to personally telephone McCain and advise him that Romney is his best choice to win the election and will bring trust and new vitality to our government.

Make that call, Elton, and ask your friends in Congress to do the same.

— Ray Holm,

Westlake Village

Lacking substance

Re: Elton Gallegly's Aug. 12 commentary, "Eliminate illegal immigration to eliminate state deficit":

As usual, Gallegly's commentary about the drain on the California budget caused by illegal aliens is superficial at best and irrational and silly at worst.

The Bush/McCain/Kennedy reform plan was realistic and necessary. Unfortunately, Sen. John McCain has now disavowed his own plan.

If illegal aliens were rounded up and deported from Salinas and El Centro, who would harvest our fruits and vegetables? There are not enough unemployed workers willing to work for minimum wage in those areas to replace deported aliens.

Would Gallegly subsidize unemployed workers in Detroit to move to Salinas even if they would work for minimum wages?

Gallegly works in Washington, D.C., but lives in Simi Valley. Who cuts his lawn and cleans his house? Who washes the dishes at the restaurants he may frequent?

The issue is clear and basic: If Gallegly's constituents want affordable pizza, burgers, fruits and vegetables, and want their lawns cut and houses cleaned, then the Bush/McCain/Kennedy legislation was a rational compromise.

Gallegly has done nothing meaningful in Congress in 20 years, and is likely to be re-elected by inertia alone.

— Raymond A. Greenberg,

Thousand Oaks

Telling the truth'

Re: Joyce Altaffer's Aug. 10 letter, "Gallegly right on drilling":

Altaffer defends Rep. Elton Gallegly against the charge of "flip-flopping" on offshore oil drilling. However, my July 30 letter ("Flip-flopping) to The Star, to which she is responding, said nothing about flip-flopping on oil drilling.

My letter was about Gallegly saying, "I support tax credits for solar and wind-power generation," when, in fact, he has consistently voted against them, even as recently as last May.

There are at least three possible explanations for this quote from Gallegly. First, it may be a deliberate lie. Second, it may be this commentary was mainly written by someone else, and Gallegly or his staff dropped the ball by failing to notice and delete this statement. Third, perhaps he did actually change his mind about supporting tax credits for solar and wind-power generation. If this is the true explanation, then, clearly, Gallegy has flip-flopped on the issue.

Altaffer smears me personally as a partisan "clinging blindly to ideology and talking points." I am not, in fact, a member of any political party.

Like many other independents, I am concerned about the truthfulness, integrity and competence of my elected representatives. But it really isn't about me.

Gallegly appears to be either a flip-flopper or a plagiarist or a liar (take your pick). He's also been a faithful follower and congressional enabler of the incompetent President Bush. Can we really trust him to make decisions that truly benefit the people he represents on energy, on the economy or on the environment?

We have learned to have low expectations for the truthfulness of our elected representatives. Which way do you think Gallegly will vote on the next alternative-energy- credits bill?

Let's hold our representatives to a higher standard: Telling the truth.

— Jim Shirley,

Simi Valley

Uniters needed

Several people brought to my attention the public's concerns at recent Thousand Oaks City Council meetings. As I watched a rerun, I was stunned by the testimony of some of the speakers about their neighborhood problems.

The insinuations and outlandish accusations were shameful, an embarrassment to the majority of people hearing this testimony about their own neighborhood.

As I tried to make sense out of the obvious drama playing out, I realized one of the most important and meaningful messages that night came from Mary Harris, who expressed her opinion about how council did not listen or have a dialogue with the people it is serving.

I remembered addressing council in February 2007, expressing my concerns about the way members related to each other and how it was hurting the community. I was concerned about how it misused power by eliminating people who did not agree with its agendas.

The problems of council's leadership are now staring it in the face, as the community struggles with the same problem council has, to get along. Citizens in some of the best neighborhoods cannot relate, sit down with each other and peacefully solve adversities.

How can our City Council help the community with polarized partisan issues when it hasn't resolved problems for itself?

Councilman Dennis Gillette mentioned he wished he had a magic bullet to solve the problems for these people.

There is no magic in a bullet. You'll see what I mean when the next election is in full swing. Watch some head for the gutter looking for filth or make it up, as I've encountered, in the attempt to make themselves look better.

We need people on the council who can unite us as a community, we haven't had that for a long time now. Citizens have been hurt by the corruption.

— Marilee Ullmann,

Thousand Oaks

Not one to lecture

Re: your Aug. 12 article, "Russians open up new front in Georgia":

Who is President Bush to lecture Russia at this stage of the game on anything?

Speaking of games, while Rome is burning, Bush is in Beijing enjoying his favorite activity: Watching sporting events instead of dealing with the multitude of problems facing our country and the world in the days and years to come.

Shame on those that voted for him to lead our great nation!

— Steve Binder,

Oxnard

Discussions

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Posted by laurarmc on August 13, 2008 at 7:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

In the dealings I have watched with the Thousand Oaks City Council, they have seemed to work well together, listen to citizens who had something solid and grounded to offer, and even takes leaps against potential lawsuits to vote for what they believe is right.
Individual members may or may not be perfect, may or may not have their own special interests, but as I have watched them publicly conduct their jobs, they seem to have done so very profesionally.
I just have not seen the council Ms Ullmann describes.

Posted by nelsonknows on August 13, 2008 at 8:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

re, Raymond A. Greenberg;
First of all, the American people didn't want the McCain-Kennedy Shamnesty Bill because frankly, this bill was a joke and an insult to every American Citizen. The American People want to hold accountable, those who break our laws. The regular folks out there are wise enough to know that illegal aliens aren't going to sign up, get in line, pay a fine and give up all of the free benefits and sanctuary because basically, illegals will get what they get right now if they don't.
As for those who would harvest the crops, put non-violent criminals in our jails and prisons to work to pay for their keep and to pay restitution for a change. If you've ever had anything stolen, you know that receiving court-ordered restitution is a joke so having prisoners replace illegals would solve a three-fold problem.
Are you aware that refusal to protect a State from invasion violates Article 4, section 4 of the U.S. Constitution, and sir, illegal aliens crossing our borders, bringing drugs and disease, calling for the return of as many as 9 U.S. States to be returned to Mexico in what they call Atlazan IS an invasion.
EVERY illegal alien is a criminal, not a single illegal alien has come here without breaking one of our laws, yet you want amnesty for them? Mr. Greenberg, when illegals go on your job sights, destroy your work, steal or destroy your materials, threaten to kill your crew if they don't leave the job, pry open your truck's hood and take a sledge hammer to the engine, maybe your opinion would have some merit.

Posted by nelsonknows on August 13, 2008 at 8:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

re Jim Shirley;
Representative Gallegly represents the majority of U.S. Citizens. 'nuff said.

Posted by nelsonknows on August 13, 2008 at 8:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

re Steve Binder;
President Clinton attended the 1996 Olympics while Al Qaeda ran rampant and Clinton did nothing, or did you forget that little fact?

Posted by del on August 13, 2008 at 9:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The problem with one of the statements above; the majority of U. S. citizens in this case, ain't to bright.

Posted by rjlebeck on August 13, 2008 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

nelsonknows:

In 2001 al-Qaida ran rampant while George Bush played golf and cut brush on his play-time cowboy ranch. He raked up more vacation days in his first year in office than any previous president in U.S. history. He decided to take the entire month of August off in the face of an NIE briefing in late July 2001 that informed him that al-Qaida was planning a major terrorist attack that might involve the use of hijacked commercial jets.

Did you forget that little fact?

Posted by illuminate on August 13, 2008 at 10:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Good riddance to the Cowboys, President Bush and, with any luck, Elton Gallegly, none of whom represent my values, interests or viewpoints. What a Triumverate....

Posted by mikeb6804 on August 13, 2008 at 10:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Raymond --- it's attitudes like yours that keep illegal-hiring employers in business. Your desires are no excuse for allowing illegals in this country. If you want it cheaper, grow it or make it yourself.

rj --- seems to me your memory fits your ideology real well.

jw--back to your tree!

Posted by nelsonknows on August 13, 2008 at 1 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jw, you are a pathetic joke. Crawl back into the hole you came out of and let the adults converse. You are nothing but a pathological liar and an insult to the Ventura County Star, one of the few decent newspapers left in this country.

Posted by nelsonknows on August 13, 2008 at 1:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rjlebeck, FACT? propaganda is fact? since when?

Posted by nelsonknows on August 13, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

del thinks he/she is more intelligent than the majority. What a narcissist.

Posted by nelsonknows on August 13, 2008 at 1:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

hey mike, why is it every these leftists post, all I read is blah, blah, blah, I'm wondering if jw can type anything else and I'm STILL waiting for jw to read the 911 Commission and N.I.S.T. reports he claims to have read and obviously HASN'T.

Posted by del on August 13, 2008 at 1:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nice ‘ad hominems’ in the posts above. The debating methods on these boards tend to be a bit on the low side of the intelligent curve. I kick myself every time I lower myself to that level.

But sometimes it is downright fun and as my old friend Pythagoras is credited with saying.

"Rest satisfied with doing well, and leave others to talk of you as they please."

Posted by ken10 on August 13, 2008 at 2:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nelsonknows is a pathological idiot.

Posted by nelsonknows on August 13, 2008 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jw blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah, that's all you ever post. Don't LIE and say you've read the 911 Commission Report until you can tell me what Dr. Michael Scheuer and the 13 OTHER C.I.A. testimony was.

Posted by dingo_designs on August 13, 2008 at 4 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Somebody needs to get a firehose to get jw off nelsonknow's leg! Talk about subterfuge! jw, give it up or answer nelsonknow's question. Even I know who Michael Scheuer is and I haven't read much of the the 911 Commission report and it looks like you haven't either. Here jw read this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_...

Posted by Tonic_Writes on August 13, 2008 at 5:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow - people love to throw accusations around here without backing them up.

To illuminate: right on the money, Gallegly has never represented me in the least and the voter registrations in VC are moving away from his sort of mindless Republican rubber stamping so hopefully we'll be rid of him soon.

To nelsonknows and all his supporters: please post verifiable facts and not just name calling. Your credibility drops every time you post. I don't care which side you represent, but do it with information and not just Faux News soundbites.

Posted by ken10 on August 13, 2008 at 5:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dingo: The fact is Bush had the opportunity to stop 9/11 and he didn't. Sure Clinton screwed up to but he came closer to killing Bin Laden then Bush ever has. Missing him by only 49 minutes in one case. Nelson was as usual trying to pull the heat off of his beloved Bush by trying to blame Clinton.

FACT: 9/11 happened on Bushs watch.

Posted by mikeb6804 on August 13, 2008 at 6:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nelson --- NJ jw-will never post anything intelligent. And ken is his clone.





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