Posted by Hueneme_girl29 on August 11, 2008 at 7:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bummer, glad no one was seriously hurt. Yep Pog, he can kiss is his license goodybe for a long time!

Posted by VivaVentucky on August 11, 2008 at 7:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I was in bed and heard this happen. Lots of tire squeals and engine revving, crash!, crunch!, crunch!, as the car tumbled down the ravine to land upside down, wedged in between the banks of the little creek at the bottom. People from the neighborhood gathered on the edge of the ravine and were relieved to hear that five people got out of the car with only minor injuries.

Funny how the kids were responsible enough to all be wearing seat belts (which is sometimes awkward with five people in a smallish sedan but they did it anyway) but silly enough to be riding around with a drunk driver.

Posted by pjlove10 on August 11, 2008 at 7:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Nothing "silly" about diving around drunk, I'm sorry, but this is just plain STUPID. They could of killed someone, or themselves... Then we would all be posting about "our sympathies" and whatnot. Take all of thier licences away for following along as well.

Glad they are okay.

Posted by rebel123 on August 11, 2008 at 7:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank God these kids survived their stupidity this time. Lesson learned, hopefully.

Posted by MidTwn on August 11, 2008 at 7:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

He will get off with a good paid lawyer you wait and see. His mommy and daddy will rescue him once again.

Posted by Relvd98 on August 11, 2008 at 8:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

All their cell phones and ipods should be taken away...that'll teach them a lesson!

Posted by Relvd98 on August 11, 2008 at 8:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Now that is a lethal combination.

Posted by Hueneme_girl29 on August 11, 2008 at 8:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No Gm from Junior? I'm shocked!

Sent u an eamil. TTYL

Posted by Ms_California on August 11, 2008 at 8:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow these kids are very lucky but makes you think that they may have the "beat God" complex now. I hope at least some of them wise up and realize how lucky and stupid they really are! I as a parent of a teenager, could not even imagine getting that phone call. Lord I hope I don't ever get it.

Posted by brwnoso on August 11, 2008 at 8:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Good thing nothing serious happened.

Posted by toy.runner on August 11, 2008 at 8:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by brwnbear on August 11, 2008 at 8:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Good thing nothing serious happened.

WTF? Drinking and driving is serious!

Posted by brwnoso on August 11, 2008 at 8:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What, I meant no one passed away

Posted by MsPross on August 11, 2008 at 8:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Pogmothoin,

I assume your comment is a poor joke regarding the Stiller film. However funny it seems and however over-extended the PC arena may seem, I am deeply offended by your statement. Don't lump individuals with disabilities in a category by classification with irresponsible children who DRINK AND DRIVE! The mentally and physically retarded did not choose to have disabilities. Those kids got in the car drunk. I do not disagree with the general use of the word "retarded" in a proper syntax. However the liberal use of "retard/retarded" as a derogatory label is offensive on so many levels.

I have been a silent "watcher" of these boards for about a year or two. I always wondered what issue would push me to post. I guess I found it.

Posted by MsPross on August 11, 2008 at 8:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

An addendum;

I should have asked politely that one would respectfully not "lump individuals with disabilities in a category ..." instead of demanding action from you.

My apologies, Pogmothoin. In the future, would you please refrain from grouping individuals with disabilities with irresponsibility and stupidity?

Posted by MsPross on August 11, 2008 at 8:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Good morning JuniorMafia-NY. Glad to meet you. =]

Posted by pjlove10 on August 11, 2008 at 8:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

MsPross, C'mon... your stretching it. It's very typical for you PCer's to come out and jab at something YOU feel makes you uncomfortable. Continue to be a "silent watcher" by all means. "Pogmothoin" was simply equating the very act of driving drunk as possessing little intellegence. And because no one was seriuously hurt, a little humor in this case in warranted. I can also see how it may offend, somewhat. But I don't think that was the intent.

Posted by brwnoso on August 11, 2008 at 8:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Guessed right, juniormafia

Posted by MsPross on August 11, 2008 at 8:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My point exactly PJ is that the retarded are not conditionally "possessing little intellegence".

Posted by pjlove10 on August 11, 2008 at 9:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think we are ALL smart enough on these posts to realize if someone is being intentially mean spirited or crual, (camdad). ;)

Posted by rebel123 on August 11, 2008 at 9:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

OK, here we go again. With regard to slinging the word "retarded" around to describe people who do stupid as well as illegal things, it insults those who are indeed mentally disabled/challenged. It hurts their feelings and makes them sad. If that is what you need to do in order to feel empowered, then I feel very sorry for you. Surely you can find a better word to describe stupid actions that does not deride innocent people who are simply looking to be treated with dignity and respect. The continued insistance that it is taking PC too far is wrong. There's a reason for people to use POLITE language. In this case, it offends those who do not choose to be mentally challenged yet they become the brunt of jokes. Do yourselves a favor and stop using the word "retarded". It is hurtful and it is not your place to suggest those it hurts and dehumanizes should just get over it. Grow up.

Posted by bwall on August 11, 2008 at 9:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hilarious! I hope someone is taking some of these clever quotes and putting them together in a book about Ventura. hmmm, we could sell them at the fair next year to raise money for our City. Along with cake.

Posted by camarillomomma on August 11, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

wow.. it seems real sensitive in here!

Posted by Relvd98 on August 11, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

G'd Morning Junior ;) I have not received no mail in the spam folder, but I'll double check.

I agree with pjlove10, people who are the regular commnentors have recognized THOSE that are rude, racist, cruel, etc.

By no means do I intentionally offend someone due to their disability and/or illness.

Posted by rebel123 on August 11, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

OK, Pog. Go ahead. You don't get it. Simple matter of not hurting feelings and making someone sad, but you go ahead. Use the word you like regardless. Your ignorance is surpassed only by your insensitivity.

Posted by jkaspr on August 11, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The word has obviously hit a nerve...it was just reported in this gloriuos newspaper that people are protesting the word being used in a movie called Tropic Thunder....The various organizations the represent those who are mentally disabled/challenged want to boycott the movie because of the use of the word in a derogatory manner...

Posted by sunnbear on August 11, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Fun is fun and I agree that PC has gotten out of hand, but "retard" or "retarded" goes just a bit far. When I witness an idiotic person, doing an idiotic thing, I just say, "That person is so Irish!" or "What a dumb Mc!" So as not to offend any intelligent people.

Posted by missing805 on August 11, 2008 at 9:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

PsPross, that subject had aver 50 posting about the word "retard" and none was yours, this is a completely different subject, you overslept on defending the mentally challenged. As these kids, I agree with viva ventucky, how weird these 5 kids on a sedan all wore seatbelts. I susally dont when Im in the back seat because it gets too crouwded on a Sedan. And Im also sure that the parents will help this kid out. I remember my mother once told me that if the cops ever woke her up in the middle of the night for doing something stupid, that she would go back to sleep and let me learn my lesson. Hope these parents do the same.

Posted by pjlove10 on August 11, 2008 at 9:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This post is getting outta hand. Wait, I may have offended someone that may only have one hand.

I don't take the word 'retard' lightly either. But I don't think "Pog" was being intentially mean here. I think some of you are taking this way too far. Take two George Carlin albums and call me in the morning.

Posted by sunnbear on August 11, 2008 at 9:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh...meant to type "LOL".

Posted by rebel123 on August 11, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It isn't funny if you are a mentally challenge person or the parents of a child who comes home daily and has been the brunt of "retard" jokes or has sat by and heard others toss that word around with abandon. The lack of malice in using it does not mitigate the reality of its impact. Good intend does not make it ok to hurt someones feelings. Nice people don't do that. If it impinges on your fun, perhaps you need a better vocabulary so you can find a word to use that doesn't cause pain to a group of people who are sick and tired of being the brunt of jokes.

Posted by Ms_California on August 11, 2008 at 9:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Self centered!

Posted by rebel123 on August 11, 2008 at 10:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Since when is it de rigeur to align a developmentally disabled individual with someone who does something phenomenally stupid or illegal??

Posted by brwnoso on August 11, 2008 at 10:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

WOW

Posted by missing805 on August 11, 2008 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ms California, Pog, I found your 2 remarks, mean and offensive. Why should you guys call someone who has high self esteem, egotistical or self center. You know this is a problem with people. They start discriminating people with high self esteem by calling them names. You 2 are mean.

Posted by sunnbear on August 11, 2008 at 10:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't think Pog's and Ms. Cali's comments were directed at the mentally challanged.

Posted by rebel123 on August 11, 2008 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

OK, I'm done here...and with the other article. Clearly some of you are callous enough that you will continue to dwell in your sublime ignorance without care one of who you hurt. The hubris it takes to maintain your position is astonishing. Keep up the good work. You are such a great example of what we should all strive not to be.

Posted by robert_s_hunter on August 11, 2008 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

As to the story, I have to say that if anyone thinks having a license revoked will stop a person from driving they are sadly mistaken.

You'd be shocked to realize just how many people you're sharing the road with have had their license suspended or revoked, if they even had one in the first place. These sort of people figure they are masters of the road and couldn't care less about what they may wreak upon others.

Posted by Relvd98 on August 11, 2008 at 11:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with you Robert. We, motorists have no idea with whom we are sharing the road with. So, just be extra cautious not only for yourself, but others who are not considerate for human life.

Posted by Ms_California on August 11, 2008 at 11:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

missing805.... you need to come off your high horse... Why don't you go back and read my frist posting on this article.... how do you come up with "high selfesteem" with someone using the word RETARD/RETARDED and thinking it is absolutely acceptable? My comment was directed to those that think it is acceptable to use the word "retard/retarded" whether they be mentally disabled or acting stupid. Sensitivity is clearly an issue that is not being practiced here. So before you jump on someone for being "mean and offensive" and "discriminating" why don't you take a good long look in the mirror sweetheart. Oh and stop reading what you want to read on here.

Posted by ebrockway on August 11, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

missing805;
I find your post offensive equating discrimination with mean. I've been mean all my life and never discriminated, please don't lump these groups together.
Thank you.

The driver and his friends did an incredibly stupid thing and lived. This could so easily have ended up being another story about teen driving deaths, and their friends could be missing them when school starts.
Think they learned a lesson? Don't drive with Tyler Miskiewicz, but everybody else is ok is what they'll take away from this I bet.

Hmmmm, when I drive a diesel truck, I use an engine retarder. I get to work late, I'm tardy.

Posted by hotwildflower on August 11, 2008 at noon (Suggest removal)

I wasn't able to read over all the comments...sorry...but one of my biggest issues in this society is the acceptence of drunk drivers (one of, I am sure I have many others)

I bet everyone can tell a story of how a drunk driver has affected their life or a loved ones life. Nothing good ever comes from drinking a driving.

They need to make the penalties much stiffer for this offense, personally...I would like to see attempted murder.

Posted by Joesombody on August 11, 2008 at 12:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

complete idiots.

Posted by bugmenot on August 11, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i lack ordinary quickness rebel123 so i take extreme offense when you say say "stupid". just because i am mentally dull does not give you the right to characterize me the same way you would a drunk driver crashing a car into a ravine with their friends.

i mean how insensitive can you be?

what are you? some sort of Mentally Challenged Little Person?

if i ever run into you in the streets, be sure that i will be screaming at the top of my lungs, calling you an MCLP; the new retard.

Posted by BeaHappi on August 11, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

These kids are d*mn lucky they weren't seriously injured or killed!

It doesn't matter how many kids are killed because of drunk driving; there will always be kids who roll the dice and think that nothing will happen to them.

When my kids are older my message to them will be that they will never get in trouble for calling us for a ride because they've been drinking or because the friend driver has been drinking. I'd rather get that call than a call from the morgue.

Posted by jkaspr on August 11, 2008 at 12:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

bugmenot...That was George Carlin funny!!!!

Posted by bugmenot on August 11, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rebel123, there were about 4-5 posts using the words moron and idiot to describe these youths.

You need to let those posters know how insensitive they are being. They need to be educated as to the origins of the words and how words can be used to hurt people. Enlighten us. The word idiot is especially insensitive as it is the greatest degree of intellectual disability.

Idiot indicated the greatest degree of intellectual disability, where the mental age is two years or less, and the person cannot guard himself or herself against common physical dangers. The term was gradually replaced by the term profound mental retardation.

Moron was defined by the American Association for the Study of the Feeble-minded in 1910, following work by Henry H. Goddard, as the term for an adult with a mental age between eight and twelve.

Posted by NightLight on August 11, 2008 at 12:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Without knowing the kids, it's impossible for anyone to know if they have or haven't learned their lesson. Hopefully they have, and thankfully they were not seriously injured and did not hurt anyone else!

Posted by Relvd98 on August 11, 2008 at 12:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

bugmenot: all you did was make my head spin!

Posted by hotwildflower on August 11, 2008 at 1:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

from what I understand, America can't help them because of the UN and Russia being one of the major players won't vote for it...I may be wrong, but that is the way I understood it.

Posted by hotwildflower on August 11, 2008 at 1:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was adding my two cents cause I didn't know what was going to happen and just heard about it this morning.

I was also agreeing, there are much bigger issues to worry about...guess I was just showing off what I learned today. :)

Guess that means my day wasn't wasted.

Posted by robert_s_hunter on August 11, 2008 at 1:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by hotwildflower

"from what I understand, America can't help them because of the UN and Russia being one of the major players won't vote for it...I may be wrong, but that is the way I understood it."

The UN has been a social club for dictators, oppressive theocracies and single-party states for ages.

However, NATO could do something if they weren't a bunch of gutless wonders. The nations of Western Europe are becoming "main-lined" on Russian oil and gas, and are afraid to upset their "sugar daddy". If they don't stand up now, they may as well bend over because Russia will know they've got them by the "you know whats".

Remember, comrade Putin was a member of the KGB, and among his duties was crushing political dissent. He has remembered his lessons well, as illustrated by what has occurred to any and all critical opposition in Russia. Murdered reporters, imprisoned political opponents and assassinated former colleagues do not make for a "friend of the West".

Posted by hotwildflower on August 11, 2008 at 1:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks for the info.

Hasn't the UN had issues in the past with hiding oil for food money and corrupt people?

Why is the US still a part of it?

Posted by banana2_868 on August 11, 2008 at 1:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Geez, what is it with people... The topic isn't about offending those with downs syndrome, who, interestingly enough, aren't even reading this article. This isn't about defending the feelings of all mankind, this discussion should be about thanking god that 5 kids are okay. I don't know why people need to get so off subject when they get offended. Let's argue about nothing for 5 useless minutes...sounds like a good idea. How about instead of proofreading everyone's comments to see what's offensive, why don't you just thank god your kid isn't laying in a ravine somewhere. uh oh i said god...let's get offended...

Posted by Relvd98 on August 11, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We should be thanking God that these 5 kids are okay while they were driving intoxicated putting people's lifes and theirs at risk?

I think not.

Posted by Relvd98 on August 11, 2008 at 2:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Junior, that's funny...I mean, the "retarded" discussion was over with a long time...

Posted by hotwildflower on August 11, 2008 at 2:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Great, I was getting my government refresher course and now it's been interupted...

Posted by missing805 on August 11, 2008 at 2:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ms. California, i was being sarcastic. I find these people getting offended over the word retartded a bit overboard. I was just being sarcastic. Sorry you took it the wrong way

Posted by Latina_805 on August 11, 2008 at 2:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

was that near the cross?

Posted by BeaHappi on August 11, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Latina_805...Kalorama does run up in that direction. Very steep hills up there.

Posted by robert_s_hunter on August 11, 2008 at 3:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by hotwildflower

"Thanks for the info.

Hasn't the UN had issues in the past with hiding oil for food money and corrupt people?

Why is the US still a part of it?"

The issues the UN have had are legendary. The involvement of Secretary General Kofi Annan's son in the "Oil for Food" program is just one of the more recent and memorable ones.

The US has been involved with the UN from the outset, it being a replacement for the League of Nations which we had a hand in establishing at the end of the First World War. In both institutions, among the primary purposes was the promotion of the causes of justice and freedom. Something long since forgotten in the UN, when our supposed Soviet "ally" decided that they wanted to keep the peoples of Eastern Europe under their thumb. Something the current Russian leadership seems awfully interested in resurrecting.

As for why we continue, it's a hard argument to make on either side. Heaven knows the UN would be hurting if we were to withdraw. The USA is the single largest contributor to the UN, accounting for approximately 22% of their regular budget and 27% of the peacekeeping budget, and it often seems we're "throwing money down a rat-hole". We could save an assessment of some $1.7 billion (as of 2005). However, one can argue that we'd be hard pressed to achieve communication with a number of nations, or carry out a number of vital projects, if we didn't have the UN as a conduit.

Like most things, there are no easy answers. Sacrificing our friends and allies because the UN doesn't want to do something certainly isn't one of them.

Posted by Latina_805 on August 11, 2008 at 3:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

maybe that's where they were drinking. I'm happy to hear of no major injuries. =)

Posted by mIssSIdekIck on August 11, 2008 at 3:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

THAT'S GOOD NO ONE SERIOUSLY GOT HURT OR KILLED, YES HOPEFULLY THIS KID WILL LEARN HIS LESSON WHICH IM SURE HE WILL, LETS SEE HE'LL DO 48HRS IN D COUNTY, GO TO DUI CLASSES FOR 3MTHS [IF IT'S HIS 1ST OFFENSE] & HIS DL WILL BE SUSPENDED INTILL HE'S 21YRS OLD,OH & OFCOURSE ALL THE GOOD O'FEES THAT COME ALONG WITH IT!!! ALMOST A GOOD 5,000... GOOD LUCK DUDE!!!

Posted by banana2_868 on August 11, 2008 at 3:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ha. i knew someone would say that...although why i don't know, considering the whole point of what i wrote, was to suggest, maybe we shouldn't be off-topic about this article, and instead say thank goodness the kids are okay rather than dispute the use of the word "retarded". I'm not sure why that would make someone want to argue all over again, buuut hey if you're bored enough. not to mention - i realize the discussion was over a long time ago, but um consider the fact that we don't all read articles at the exact same time. and yeah Relvd98, thank god the kids are okay. what do you want me to say? they should have died? did i say anywhere in there, what they did was right? nooo...try to think before talking, k thanks.

Posted by bugmenot on August 11, 2008 at 3:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

1. The Georgians started it.
2. They lost.

Posted by hotwildflower on August 11, 2008 at 3:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So....how about John Edwards?

Posted by Relvd98 on August 11, 2008 at 3:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I've had it with this bickering back and forth.

I just want to go home, get settled in and watch the Dodgers game. That's it.

Everyone, have a good evening ;)

Posted by lilmamma on August 11, 2008 at 3:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Drinking and driving is a recipe for disaster. Earlier this year a young man was killed and a passenger was injured because of alcohol and drugs.
Young people need to get a clue and realize that there are graves of young people and old people who chose to make a bad choice. I hope their parents are taking Ipods, cells phones, computers, and other freedoms away.

Posted by InaHurry on August 11, 2008 at 4:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Camdad,
LOL, your last post :)

Posted by pjlove10 on August 11, 2008 at 4:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I like how Camdad101 associates "retardation" in the same breath as Latino, African, etc...

lol.

Posted by stikkelman on August 11, 2008 at 4:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I visit one of those graves every week....my son's, so I am glad they were not hurt. I hope they learn. Please let this be a lesson to these kids.

Posted by robert_s_hunter on August 11, 2008 at 5:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by stikkelman

"I visit one of those graves every week....my son's, so I am glad they were not hurt. I hope they learn. Please let this be a lesson to these kids."

We can only hope they do learn. With some it never sinks in. My uncle, a Texas Ranger, was killed when he was struck head-on by a guy who was on his umpteenth DUI. I hope that was enough for him to get it...

Posted by santabarbarasand on August 11, 2008 at 5:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, reading this arguement about use of the word "retard" was amazingly boring. Usually arguments in here are interesting!

I worked with special needs people for many years and I would never use that word to describe someone with a true disability. Interestingly enough though is that it is a TRUE diagnosis to be mentally retarded. More and more people now use the word "delayed" but if you have worked with someone who falls under the legally retarded definition, you know there is no delay about it, their brain will never function beyond a certain level.

Anyways, the word retarded applies to people who are of normal intelligence (which we assume these kids to be) but who still do stupid things. For those of you that are offended - why are you upset about it? You can't control what other people think and express and there is no real harm in that word. It's silly to get mad over such a small thing, it really IS taking the PC thing way too far! Are we all so fragile that we cannot handle that word, which is part of OUR language, used? SILLY SILLY SILLY!

Posted by SoSad on August 11, 2008 at 5:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wonder where they got the booze from?

Posted by sparks240 on August 11, 2008 at 6:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

A car rolling over sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.

Posted by NowHearThis on August 11, 2008 at 6:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

When will idiot driver learn that drinking alcohol and driving doesn't mix. I hope they sentence the driver to 3-years at least in the state pen, where he can think about his unsafe and irresponsible actions!!!

But the DUI dude will get off with a slap on the wrists.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on August 11, 2008 at 7:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MsPross , I totally agree with your comment. If someone has a mentally challenged child and someone uses that word I would be very offended. Not saying you do ,its an example. Stupidity is a better word or even ignorant. Just like when someone wishes rape on someone in prison yet they dont condone it on the streets. Rape is very serious. No one should wish that. Maybe a good butt kicking but not rape , one day these men that rape in prison will be walking the streets, hopefully not near our children and get the urge.
pjlove10 ,it may not have been intentional or thought out but to some people its very offensive. We should all just remember that. Perhaps you didn't mean it the way others take it but we have to be careful of the words we use.
rebel123 ,Great Comment,very intelligently put.

Posted by deepwater805 on August 11, 2008 at 7:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thankfully no one was hurt, and thankfully they all had their seat belts on.

Posted by Lindsaybaby on August 11, 2008 at 7:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

let me fill all of you in on this cause obviously you dont understand. Tyler is one of my very bbest friends and like my ex boyfriend. you all are saying hes r"etarted" then commenting on how you dont use that word.. bla bla bla 4 of my friends were in the car with him. you think you have a rite to sit there and judge any of them? no you dont! Tyler is 18 years old he just graduated he is not the smartest but does that give you any reason to sit there and talk crap? i am very hurt at the city i live in that you all are pulling this. i am soooo thankful that none of my friends were hurt. one of them broke their collar bone bet you didnt know that. another has scrattches all over her face. tyler had to get stitches in his head. i can not stop thinking about what i would do if the 5 of them were not alive rite now. i am so mad at tyler and he will be in trouble i pray to god he dosent have to go to jail. he is very lucky that no one was killed, and you all need to realise that hes just a kid and he did learn his mistake they all did... but none of you would know because none of you know them!!
-Lindsay

Posted by BeaHappi on August 11, 2008 at 8:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lindsay - well most of the posters here don't know Tyler but unfortunately we read too many stories about kids just like him. Kids who make the very wrong decision to drink and drive. Not to mention that at their ages they shouldn't be drinking at all.

It's good that you're mad at him and hopefully you won't ever make the same bad decision that he did to drink and drive. Hopefully he and his passengers have also learned their lesson.

We were all young once and everyone makes mistakes. Sadly, too many times it takes the death of someone before lessons are learned. I hope it doesn't take a death for you and your friends to learn this lesson.

And if your friends knew that he had been drinking and still got in the car with him...then they should realize that they are fully to blame for any injuries that they suffered.

Spread the word Lindsay...don't drink and drive!

Posted by AnnaWhaat on August 11, 2008 at 8:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pogmothoin,I would never even call my child that just for being stupid. You may really damage them when they grow up!!!!!!!!! I can't believe your other comment either!!!! Well I wont use the word but I think a dog that licks his butt is stupid! And you?

BeaHappi,I agree! And I have done that with my kids.
And I do Thank God that all the kids survived! I pray they learned a hard lesson.......

Posted by Lindsaybaby on August 11, 2008 at 8:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

yes and they did know thats why i am mad at them. they should have called me and i would have gotten them but they chose not to. sdlffhjqkojhkvfcs

Posted by stikkelman on August 11, 2008 at 9:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

wow

Posted by NightLight on August 12, 2008 at 11:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lindsay, I agree that some comments here have been unnecessarily judgmental and there is no reason for people to be name-calling, but please understand many of us either have teenagers of our own, or have known teenagers who have been involved in similar accidents. Emotions run so high with a story like this because they scare us. The up and coming generation is so precious to us, we do get upset when they make bad decisions and put themselves and others in danger. I'm sorry that some of the comments get out of hand but many of them are truly coming from caring, even if it may not seem like it.

I'm glad your friends will be okay. I pray for their speedy recovery, and that everyone (teenagers and adults alike) can learn from what happened.

Posted by JasonInVentura on August 13, 2008 at 12:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes. What happened here could of injured or killed innocent people. We all know that and every kid in this car has heard this in school their entire lives. There are some of us that carry an anger of a loved one lost to a drunk driver. We know this is drinking and driving is very wrong. We also know that everyone makes bad choices and there is usually a consequence for every bad choice. These are very important words and we must repeat them to our young people regularly.

The young people in this car made bad choices and they are facing their consequences. The driver of the car made a very bad choice and he will be dealing with this for years to come. Our government makes sure that every aspect of a DUI infraction is covered through fines and education. The passengers have stitches and broken bones. Along with the fear that they could of died, they learned a hard lesson.

Tyler (the driver) is a special friend to members of my family. He is a very good person. He will be paying the consequences for his actions. In the end, he is still Tyler and he is still a good person. There are others in the car that I will not mention their names due to their age and they are good people too. They all made a wrong decision that night. These kids are far from being “idiots”, being “retarded”, or being “stupid”. Your judgments remind me of my own flaws

Let’s remember that these are our kids. They are part of our great community. They need us to be forgiving and understand that times like these are scary. Yes, we need to bring them up to be good people but also loving. Doing something wrong does not shun a person from society. Help them. Raise them.

JS

Posted by JS3608 on August 14, 2008 at 11:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

“Posted by high_society
"All five of the teens were wearing seatbelts, which "most likely prevented major injuries or death," police said."
Too bad, they probably won't learn a lesson, I'm sure they were too BUZZED/DRUNK to realize what happened.”
What do you mean “too bad, they probably won’t learn a lesson”? Would you rather see five people dead or seriously injured? If they were seriously buzzed/drunk I’m sure they wouldn’t have been wearing seatbelts.
“Posted by Camdad101 on August 11, 2008 at 11:57 a.m.
Where are all their friends coming here to tell us not to judge and how nice these kids are?”

I’ve known Tyler for thirteen years and you mean to tell me you never did anything wrong as a teenager or watched friends do anything wrong? Even though they may have had a lapse in judgment you love them the same for the person they are.
He was probably only driving due to the fact he was the “least drunk” in the car. I can take a pretty good guess at who the others were.
If as much energy was spent on things to HELP situations like this instead of posting arguments on words considered offensive, maybe we wouldn’t have to read about these events in the first place. Community Carpool for teenagers and adults alike that have been drinking, maybe? You can’t turn away and say teenagers aren’t going to drink because they are no matter if you tell them no and you don’t supply them alcohol, it’s very easy to get it. I know I’m not the only person who will say my parents didn’t care if I drank or not being underage.

And it’s not that the punishment should be harder, but most of the stories I heard in high school when my friends got pulled over while they were under the influence was that officers didn’t arrest them or even punish them but simply made them lock their keys in the car and walk home or dump out all the beer cans in the back of the vehicle. I’ve heard this story and many WORSE [trust, it can be worse than that] stories of how nothing was done and while they are my friends and I care about them it’s still disgusting to hear of stories like that about our law enforcement.

Have a good night and hopefully on your Friday morning at work firing up all your computers you won’t have a field day on this post…

Posted by LivinInPoorMansPV on August 15, 2008 at 4:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This sounds rentally metarded.