Posted by VOR on August 8, 2008 at 12:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"He was a good kid. I think he would continue to be a good kid."

Yeah right, he was a neo-nazi thug, common knowledge at his school, it was only a matter of time before he killed someone or seriously beat them up. This was no boy scout.

If Quest was smart he would make some sort of plea and end this before it gets really ugly and the truth about Brandon comes out.

Again he wants Larry records from Casa Pacifica, didn't he learn from the last few times they said no! What Larry's private life was like has nothing to do with Brandon putting 2 bullets in his head and executing him. He was not threatened at that time, this was not a case of self defense.

Quest, lets not put the blame on the victim. With all that has been written lately you forget that Larry was sitting quietly doing his work when Brandon came up behind him and murdered him. This is as bad as it gets, but hey, that is what the Nazis did in WWII inside the death camps, they would come up behind the prisoners and shoot them in the back of the head. Looks like Brandon followed their lead and continued the practice.

Posted by nancy_4ever on August 8, 2008 at 2:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

He is only 14. He deserves some mercy. His life will never be the same with a life sentence or a lesser charge... he will never live a "normal" life. I vote for mercy.

Posted by T_T on August 8, 2008 at 3:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Along with the death of their son, the King family now has to suffer through this thanks to Mr. Willy.

I have no such sympathy for the incredibly disfunctional McInerney family. They chose Mr. Willy and his circus has come to town.

Posted by CommandoAngel on August 8, 2008 at 6:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Nancy: Didn't Larry King deserve a normal life? Grow up.

Hey Willy: Your tactic of using the press to commit judicial terrorism on the D.A.'s office is transparent and not in your client's best interest. You should shut the "bleep" up because you are a disgrace to lawyers.

Posted by opns on August 8, 2008 at 6:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

nancy - for goodness sakes, Larry is not here to defend himself ( he was shot in the back) . Brandon shot twice, not once, maybe some mercy could come of this with one shot then cuddled within in his own shock after what he did.
Two times then run and hide. He knew right from wrong. Deep down inside, he knows he's guilty, and all of his actions speak guilty loud and clear.
Have mercy for the rest of us here in society. Most young students tease (young or older). I Pray to God our young ones to be protected and are not next victim.

Posted by opns on August 8, 2008 at 6:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh, and by the way - Larry was not mericifully killed (if such a thing), he was brutally killed.

Posted by Hueneme1961 on August 8, 2008 at 6:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

mercy ? he showed no mercy to Larry. To be honest I'm already sick of hearing about this kid.

Posted by OxnardNative on August 8, 2008 at 6:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It's all just so sad and so sick. Pray for all involved but don't spare the rod in the case of Brandon Mcinerney. Do the crime, do the time. Brandon may as well be tried as an adult, he'll certainly become one before he ever sees freedom again. He took the life of a child that will NEVER have the chance at becoming an adult himself. Take a life, give a life; a life of time and/or remorse, incarceration at least! Rest in peace Larry King. Justice will be served, if not here on earth, for sure when the ultimate judge has His time to pass final judgment on Brandon. :-(

Posted by UncleRico on August 8, 2008 at 6:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why don't we all stop living in fantasyland? Quest is McInerney's attorney. He has a fiduciary duty to defend McInerney with whatever he has available to him. The jury may not ultimately buy it, but do you really expect him to ignore his obligations simply because his client is scum? Do you expect him to breach his ethical obligations by ratting his client out? Do you expect him to abdicate his responsibilities? If you ever get sued (or worse, someone in your family gets charged criminally), is that what you are going to expect from your attorney or are you going to demand that your attorney zealously defend you and maintain confidences? The rules don't change because someone else that you don't like is involved.

Posted by ironwoman on August 8, 2008 at 7:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am glad he is being charged as an adult. He doesn't deserve to be out at the age 25. So many people think that he deserves to be rehabilitated in juvenile facilities and released to our society. I read the newsweek articles that a commenter suggested last time. There's an article called, "young, gay and dead"...it is compelling. Brandon actually sat behind Larry for a few minutes taunting him before he got up and shot him twice.
Mercy? No, he doesn't deserve it. There is no guarantee Brandon will be rehabilitated and for public safety, he needs to live in prison.

Posted by Amazon on August 8, 2008 at 7:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

UncleRico, If I shot someone in the way McInerney did, or had a son or daughter that did that to someone else, I would have the decency not to have my attorney dig into the victim's personal files and smear their reputation just to get me or my family off. The defense attorney wants to see if King had a troubled history and was gay and wore makeup. How that makes this crime any less wrong is beyond me. Tons of people annoyed me and even harassed me in junior and high school. I did not shoot them. Decent people accept the responsibility and the punishment that they did something wrong. Not find a way to excuse their wrong behavior. In this trial, I hope they dig into McInerney's family history and put his parents on trial. If anything, just looking at their lifestyle and how it affected McInerney would perhaps be enough to garner enough sympathy for the kid to get him psychological help and not life in prison.

Posted by Amazon on August 8, 2008 at 7:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ironwoman, did the Newsweek article really say that Brandon taunted Larry before he shot him?? Yikes! I never heard that part before---That is just awful and really sad.

Posted by prd2beamrkn on August 8, 2008 at 8:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Boy most of you are saints here, so quick to judge without knowing the FACTS. Most of you are going by what the press has stated and in fact were not present in the years, months etc to actually see what was taking place. It is very sad this happened and yes , he needs to do jail time, but not for the rest of his life. Think about this: is this the way you would think if he was your kid? I bet not

Posted by 805grl on August 8, 2008 at 8:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Charge him as an adult and put him away for life. He murdered King by lying in wait! Im certain he understood what he was doing could cause death! using his age as a defense is ridiculous, even at 13 I knew what killing someone meant! Even if King was blowing kisses or batting his eye at Brandon, he didnt deserve to die. By no means does it justify what Brandon did to him. He should sit in prison and never be released-EVER! King can never come back.

Posted by Amazon on August 8, 2008 at 8:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

juniormafia, I see your point. But if that Newsweek article is true, McInerney was harassing King. For some reason I find it hard to believe that King would sexually harass a bigger guy who was a jock like McInerney. I could see him stating his interest in McInerney and McInerney getting so offended that he started bullying him back, making fun of him, and ultimately shooting him. I can see McInerney, who took martial arts and probably was an alpha-male type, taking it personally how King acted and dressed, The thing is even if with a dress code, kids know the ones who are gay and I don't care what school you are in, the gays are often a target of harassment by the tougher jock guys. I remember it happening a lot to the gays in my high school back in the 80's. Ultimately they would end up leaving school because the schools did nothing to defend them against bullying.

Posted by BHAK on August 8, 2008 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Again he wants Larry records from Casa Pacifica, didn't he learn from the last few times they said No! What Larry's private life was like has nothing to do with Brandon putting 2 bullets in his head and executing him.

I agree, How many times does Quest have to be told NO in order to get it in his head that he can not get Larry's records. He has been denied by 2 judges. All he is doing is wasting taxpayers money and court time.

"He was a good kid. I think he would continue to be a good kid."

From what I heard, Brandon was not a good kid. He hung around a group called the Silver Strand gang, several students have stated he was known as the bully at school and he was removed from a honors class because of his grades. He also had Nazi symbols on his note book and all over his room that was reported.

Good kid I think not!

Posted by cowchip on August 8, 2008 at 8:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

SCfan01...you've got to be kidding! The only FACT that is important here is the FACT that Brandon KILLED another child in cold blood. Larry is dead and Brandon knew what he was doing. What else matters?

Posted by hotwildflower on August 8, 2008 at 8:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

JuniorMafia, I couldn't have said it better myself! I agree 100%!

Posted by Hueneme_girl29 on August 8, 2008 at 8:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"McInerney would face a sentence of six to 21 years"

Wow, the minimum is only 6 years for killing someone? That's a shocker to me -

Posted by hotwildflower on August 8, 2008 at 8:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

In addition, if Larry hadn't been pursuing Brandon so aggressively, I doubt Brandon would have cared that Larry was gay (or whatever, some say he was just acting out) but being the focus of his affections is what appeared to have made Brandon lash out.

What Brandon did was completely wrong and unforgiveable and must be punished, but Larry was no innocent in this situation and the adults failed him!

Posted by mac_tire_224 on August 8, 2008 at 8:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Where did it ever say Larry was in violation of the dress code? I missed that.

Posted by swtnsassy on August 8, 2008 at 8:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

None of us were there we do not know what was going on that lead up the shooting. All we know is what we have read and/or heard which is called "hear-say". What we do know that is fact is that a young boy is gone forever and another willingly and knowingly caused his death. For that he should be punished, rightfully, at 14 you know what you are doing he knew that using a gun would kill Larry.

Posted by hotwildflower on August 8, 2008 at 8:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

At 14 you do know killing is wrong and should be punished but at 14 the brain isn't fully developed to understand consequences.

Posted by wolf9walker on August 8, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I read that brandon and others were teasing larry for a while. to get back larry started harrassing him back and brandon couldnt take it.

and if brandon didnt like it he should of gone to adults or even beat larry up. not matter what larry did, he did not deserve death. only someone who kills deserve's death.

and one more thing, why do you people only protect and try to save the killers but do nothing, NOTHING!! to save the murdered?

Posted by swtnsassy on August 8, 2008 at 8:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

excuse me hotwildflower at 14 you do know the consequences of your actions.

Posted by opns on August 8, 2008 at 8:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

SC - the FACT is 'he shot twice' and witnessed by school teacher and innocent kids. Case should be rested there!!

Posted by prd2beamrkn on August 8, 2008 at 8:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

JuniorMafia!

Right ON! Bet these people who are so ready to execute would have a dfferent opnion if this was their son! I know I would be angry if my son was being harrassed, yes harrassed by someone at school! Read people, the paper states Larry harrassed not only Brandon, but others as well.

Posted by hotwildflower on August 8, 2008 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No, at 14 you are not thinking 5, 10, 20 years down the line. You live IN that moment, not thinking what lifelong affects an action may have on your life.

I am not condoning these actions by any means, simply saying that due to his age he should be tried in a juvenile court. We lost one child's life, why throw another one away?

Posted by ca4ever on August 8, 2008 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Once I read the newsweek article, it shed a whole new light on this ENTIRE situation, I am not going to comment on what I think should or should not happen, but after that article, I can see both sides

Posted by SoSad on August 8, 2008 at 8:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I feel so sorry for Brandon, but he took a life. He didn't just kill a fly, it was another human being.

Posted by BHAK on August 8, 2008 at 8:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Have any of you considered that maybe Larry had just turned the tables on Brandon and the others , and let them feel and know what it was like being tormented on a daily bases. Brandon was a known bully and Larry was the object of constant teasing and harassment. You are all so quick to blame the victim here.

Larry King it was stated was only 5'1", from the photos I have seen of Brandon, he was way taller and very muscular.

Posted by hotwildflower on August 8, 2008 at 8:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If that's the case, then you can say why didn't Larry go talk to an adult and get this issue addressed just as people suggested that Brandon do.

I find it hard for anyone to agrue that adults FAILED these two boys and they are paying/have paid the price!

Posted by freethought on August 8, 2008 at 8:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"excuse me hotwildflower at 14 you do know the consequences of your actions."

swtnsassy - Exactly. I know I did when I was that age. I knew there were consequences to being a "bad boy" when I I was less than half that age. By 14, I, like most youuths today, knew about sex, drugs, and murder. This kid knew what he was doing. Hate blinded him, like it does so many other murderers (i.e., O.J Simpson and James Fayed).

I had a pretty bad childhood, as bad as we're hearing about this kid. I was never driven to murder. He may have had a nightmarish upbringing, but the decision to kill was all his.

Posted by SoSad on August 8, 2008 at 8:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Newsweek has several articles written on this subject.

Posted by Amazon on August 8, 2008 at 8:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree swtnsassy. We are just stating opinions here. We'll learn the truth.
juniormafia, so just say Larry was harassing Brandon. Even the Columbine killers were harassed. Does it matter?
Also, juniormafia--guys especially take real offense when their masculinity is in question. Many males kill for this reason alone. Remember that guy from the Jenny Jones show? The one that was so offended that the other guy admitted in public that he liked him? He killed him because he said it was so embarrassing. That made national news--Look it up.
This is my opinion---I honestly don't think Larry kept on pursuing a guy who didn't like him. He was probably harassed back for publicly stating he liked Brandon at one time---then tried to get even with the bullyers by blowing kisses and such. It doesn't make sense that a kid would keep on pursuing a guy that obviously hated and bullied him.
As far as dress code, there is no dress code in the real world. People are going to see things out there that are different and they aren't going to like...and learn to not to do anything about it. While in general, I think dress codes in school are good (for less of a distraction), the way someone dresses shouldn't tick someone off enough to kill him. Larry wearing lipstick and high heels in school is irrelevant.

Posted by swtnsassy on August 8, 2008 at 8:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

hotwildflower, unfortunately many people adults & children believe like the military "don't ask, don't tell" The adults are going to ask you if there is a problem and most kids are not going to tell the adults that there is a problem. Also, if Larry was gay as has been stated, many adults are still unable to address that, becuase of their own personal insecurities and the ways of our society. It is unfortunate that our society is this way.
The Guardians of both of these young boys should have been at that school demanding some answers.

Posted by hotwildflower on August 8, 2008 at 9 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree, Swrnsassy, just as I said...the adults failed them.

Posted by Amazon on August 8, 2008 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

swntsassy, if you look at the background of Brandon's family, I'm not sure if they were completely aware or even cared what was going on with him in school. It looked like the mom was trying to get her act together (there was an article about her in the VC Reporter before the incident), but it may have been too little too late. That's why I think Brandon's family should bear some responsibility for what happened and perhaps Brandon granted some leniency (in terms of getting a lot of help instead of life in prison).

Posted by venturapagan on August 8, 2008 at 9:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

with all those witnesses, how can he possibly plead not guilty? It should go straight to sentencing...

Posted by BHAK on August 8, 2008 at 9:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Juniormafia_ny,

Yea Blame the victim! Its always someone else's fault right? That is always the excuse nowadays.
Ignore the fact that other kids in school have stated that Brandon was a bully and they have been on the end of that part them selves from Brandon.

Oh Yea, Brandon was only 1 week past his 14th birthday, well Larry King was only 3 weeks past his 15th.

And maybe Larry did complain to school staff about being teased and bullied, but was ignored also by the staff, so he fought back the only way he knew how turning the tables on his tormentors.

Posted by hotwildflower on August 8, 2008 at 9:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

he pleaded not guilty to premeditated and hate crime...the two issues that would require 51 years in prison. His lawyer is trying to get those off the table, everyone knows that he killed Larry.

Posted by swtnsassy on August 8, 2008 at 9:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Venturapagan, I am glad you brought up the witnesses, becuase in my opinion they too are victims, they will have to relive that moment for the rest of their lives. Just yesterday we were all talking about the 5 year old who was in the car/suv with his family when his father was killed, and who it will affect him, these young children (teenagers) will be affected forever by what they witnessed. I do pray for them as well, that they are doing ok.

Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 8, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow a lot of assumptions. Did you guys all forget what it was like in a Junior High Campus? Larry was the outcast. He was a quiet boy that was literally made fun of by all the boys. Administrators did what they could, and interfered anytime they saw anything going on. How is it that when Larry finally after numerous taunting, decides to defend himself by "teasing back" (like any other normal Jr. High Kid would) all of a sudden he is the harasser? And no where in the dress code does it state that students are not allowed to wear boots, because that is what Larry wore. (Stiletto boots) Two boys yes teased each other back and forth. BUT one decided to take it to another Level, and that was to BRING a GUN TO School and Murder another student. He is not the first teen charged as an adult, why is this case all of a sudden different.. ? Because he is White? If he was Latino or black.. Hands down nobody would even question his charging as an adult! And he needs to be in there longer that up to age 25. He needs to work on his temper!

Posted by swtnsassy on August 8, 2008 at 9:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Latin_Lady funny I was thinking of the movie "A time to Kill" when the attorney was speaking to the all white jury and telling the story of how the young black girl was murdered and ends it with "Now imagine she is white". Ok, A young boy is shot and killed in school by another student..."now imagine he is straight and not gay".

Posted by SoSad on August 8, 2008 at 9:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Brandon has to endure the consequence for committing the unthinkable.

Posted by lilmamma on August 8, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm amazed that his lawyer advised him to plead not guilty. This is a big slap in the face to King family. At age 14 you know right from wrong and you aware of the consequences. I do not think he understands that if convicted he will never leave prison alive. This case is a sad and tragedy.

Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 8, 2008 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

exactly, I personally do not agree with the gay lifestyle, BUT I have respect for them as people, humans just like we all are. I think the homo-phobics automatically shut off to anything regarding Larry because he was Gay..

Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 8, 2008 at 9:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Junior Mafia, unless you were there.. dont be so quick to say that Administrators did not do enough ;}

Posted by hotwildflower on August 8, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I wonder if Latin Lady is the VP that was mentioned in the Newsweek story?

Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 8, 2008 at 9:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

lol do u really want me to go there juniormafia?

Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 8, 2008 at 9:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

R u kidding me, can u please tell me how they could have prevented that gun coming in? i mean really! metal detectectors..? oh wait the school can afford them. (budget cuts) Brandon had his mind set, just like he warned other fellow students that the following day would be Larry's last day.

Posted by vickicassidy2 on August 8, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is a very dangerous boy that should not get out!!

Posted by Relvd98 on August 8, 2008 at 9:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Good question Junior...please answer Latina.

Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 8, 2008 at 9:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

don't want to u just might do a my space search on me! lol

Posted by hotwildflower on August 8, 2008 at 9:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

alot of "lol" for such a serious topic.

Posted by NavalAviator on August 8, 2008 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

An interesting sentencing idea is being floated, from time-to-time in the UK. The idea is that the sentence for a crime, any crime, be based upon life expectancy of the convicted person. Not basing sentencing on whether the person is an adult or a child.

For example the crime of murder. The convicted person can get a sentence of 60% to 100% of his remaining life expentcancy.

Example: Two convicted persons, different ages, same sentence. One is 60 and one is 20 and both have a life expectancy of 80 years. Each receive a 60% sentence. The 60 year old gets 12 year sentence and the 20 year old gets 36-year sentence. Same punishment when based upon remaining years of life of the convicted person. Recividism would earn stronger prison sentence percentages.

A sentencing structure like this, for horrible crimes like this McInerney-King situation, could give Mr. Mcinerney a chance at a life. If he was convicted and if it was determined that Mr. Mcinerney had a life expectancy of 80-years, and was sentenced at age 15 to 60% of his remaining life in prison, he would receive a sentence of 39-years. He could still have a shot at a life after he got out.

Perhaps alternate sentencing structures are worth considering.

Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 8, 2008 at 9:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

hotwildflower- the "LOL" are directed to the Subject =i

Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 8, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

OMG major typo! i mean "NOT" directed to the subject! sorry...

Posted by HateMachine on August 8, 2008 at 9:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Many of you have very strong opinons, and have valid points on this issue. I think we need to take all the "evidence" we have and toss that out the window. Both of the boys were no saints. But the matter that is most important is that a murder took place. Regardless of he said she said. When you excalate an argument into a criminal act then it has to be prosecuted.

Yes Brandon's attorney is doing what he is supposed to do, as much as we dont like it. I know that many times the vicitm is revictimized during the trial process. How many times have you heard of a rape suspect saying "oh she wanted it"?

As a society any way you look at this situation there many missteps along the way as to how it was being handled. Not only by the administration of EO Green, the teachers, staff. But also the parents, guardians family and friends of these boys.

Truth is Brandon gave himself a life sentence already when he pulled that trigger.

Two lives were lost that day.

If we took this story out of our backyard and heard about it, I belileve that most of you would want Brandon to be prosecuted to fullest extent that the law allows.

It takes a village to raise a child they say, well no one wants to be the village idiot in this case.

We cant change the fact that Brandon murdered Larry, but someone tell me where mercy plays into a cowardly act of shooting someone in the back....no matter what Larry may or may not have done, he didnt deserve to die!

Rest in peace Larry, and Brandon mercy is God's to give, and justice is what both of you deserve!!

Posted by insideedge on August 8, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

First off, How was Larry harrassing Brandon? From what I have read Brandon seems like a big, mean kid that could pretty much take care of himself.....So......What was Larry doing to harass him? Waving at him accross the play ground? I doubt he was pushing him around, stealing his lunch money and threatening him. The Harassment type of defense just doesn't seem plausable in this case.

Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 8, 2008 at 9:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hate Machine- "We cant change the fact that Brandon murdered Larry, but someone tell me where mercy plays into a cowardly act of shooting someone in the back....no matter what Larry may or may not have done, he didnt deserve to die!

Rest in peace Larry, and Brandon mercy is God's to give, and justice is what both of you deserve!!"

I agree!

Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 8, 2008 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Junior Mafia-- The point is he killed Larry. and he wanted to, that is why he planned it. and im not sure that I want him out by the time he is 25..

Posted by nunyabiznus on August 8, 2008 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

juniormafia_ny, i read alot of your post 95% of the time, you make sense...i'm shocked about how you feel about this subject. there are a few facts, Brandon shot Larry...Larry died. Did Larry also have a gun? i dont think self-defense applys, here.
what is so hard for people to understand? do you really think 25 years is enough punishment for killing another person for harrassment? i know if someone shot one of my family members, i would want them to rot in jail, no matter what age, color, religion, etc.

Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 8, 2008 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

the other outside factors, POINT IS HE GOT A GUN, and SHOT someone, with the INTENTION to not just shoot and injure someone.. BUT TO KILL someone.. THAT is why he SHOT LARRY in the HEAD TWICE. and that makes HIM GUILTY. HOw dare he pledge NOT GUILTY! oh wait he is 14, his brain is not fully developed, he means GUILTY!

Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 8, 2008 at 10:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Again, Yes Larry Went up to Brandon.. blah blah, and then Brandon lashed back with his Blah blah.. POINT IS that DOES NOT make it okay for BRandon to have KIlled LArry. Besides all that is "hear say" What we do know is That it's a FACT that Brandon shot and killed LArry.

Posted by hotwildflower on August 8, 2008 at 10:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks for the mocking, Latin Lady...However, I will stand by my post that at 14 the brain is NOT fully developed to comprehend the extent of ones actions. They are not thinking about the future...I am not saying he didn't know what he did was wrong, of course he did but I doubt he fully considered the consequences or was even able to completely process it all.

Posted by nunyabiznus on August 8, 2008 at 10:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

patticakepatti-

thanx for the quotes, nonetheless, he should rot in jail, it takes tons of b@lls to shoot someone twice, in the head, he's got more problems, than just this incident, do you really think he'll get rehabilitated in juvie, he'll only get more crafty, and applauded by other juvies for what he did, he's not gonna tell the other kids, he shot him because he was being picked on, he'll look like a sissy in there eyes, he's gonna tell the other juvies, he shot him cause he hates gays, guaranteed, sounds more cool & tough.

Posted by MidTwn on August 8, 2008 at 10:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"McInerney is a strong candidate for rehabilitation, something that could be considered in juvenile court, Quest said."

Boy, I never hear this said about a wanna be 14 year old gang member. "Double standard" comes to mind.

Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 8, 2008 at 10:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hotwildflower- if Brandon was a latino gangmember.. would you still sit there and say that this gangmebers brain is not fully developed? Really honestly..

Juniormafia-what difference does it make hou troubled Larry was? That does not make Brandon's actions ok..

Posted by hotwildflower on August 8, 2008 at 10:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

how did that gang member behave prior to the incident?

My guess is that he was not in honors classes getting good grades, had probably been in trouble in school in the past...

Quit playing the race card...it's so old!

Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 8, 2008 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

not so much as old, as it is the THRUTH. and you know it.

Posted by cmnelson7890 on August 8, 2008 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Shame on the DA, TV stations and the NewsPapers. You put a current Picture of McInerney! But a OLD PICTURE OF LARRY KING! Come on and Show a Current Picture as HE WAS ON THAT DAY. Be fair. These are 2 very young boys. And it is VERY SAD. Larry was the Oldest of the 2. Change this to a court for Children NOT adults. May God Bless both Families and Friends. They have suffered a LOT.

Posted by hotwildflower on August 8, 2008 at 10:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Latin Lady, have you had much interaction with a child this age?

I personally have a 13 year old, almost 14 at home and I KNOW for a fact that he is still a child. He is very smart, very articulate, but still a child.

Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 8, 2008 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

i guess George Lopez, I mean Juniormafia.

Posted by opns on August 8, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jr - "let's be fair to this KID... He didn't kill King just because he wanted to".
Your out of your mind to make this comment!
And Yeah he wanted too..... and he did it.
This kid as you call him, got a nasty gene combined from his mother and father.
And he's not a kid anymore, he's a blatant killer because he wanted to be one, it just came natural to him!

Posted by mandynathan on August 8, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is a tragedy all the way around. I don't see how trying a 14-year-old child as an adult will serve justice. Neither of these boys deserved the life (or in Larry's case - the death) they got. I find it hard to believe a jury will convict based on what the DA is trying to do. But you never know.

Posted by Relvd98 on August 8, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Latin_Lady, with due respect, you seem to be missing a lot of relevant factors coming from hotwildflower, Junior and others.

Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 8, 2008 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

hotwildflower, yes, that is my job!

Posted by hotwildflower on August 8, 2008 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You're right, let's use the race card...maybe I should change my thinking...my husband is hispanic and my kids are 1/2...since I am white I MUST be racist! I mean, only Latinos are color blind, right?

Posted by Hueneme_girl29 on August 8, 2008 at 10:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Junior - GM my dear :)

I kind of disagree with you too! I'm always on your side. And, you never said GM to me earlier, so I have some beef with you! :)

Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 8, 2008 at 10:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Look he did an adult thing, he was in honors, good grades.. etc.. and very smart as you say.. So smart to KNOW what he was doing..

Posted by hotwildflower on August 8, 2008 at 10:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You're missing the point and your ignorance to the situation only perpetuates the hatred around here.

Hate breeds hate and you are breeding like a rabbit!

Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 8, 2008 at 10:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

look wildflower.. it is what it is.. and it's true. hey I don't agree with it, but sadly that's the way it is..

Posted by opns on August 8, 2008 at 10:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jr. yoour saying "let's be fair", how so?

Posted by Relvd98 on August 8, 2008 at 10:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 8, 2008 at 10:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Look he did an adult thing, he was in honors, good grades.. etc.. and very smart as you say.. So smart to KNOW what he was doing.."

So ONLY adults pick up a gun and shoot people? Is this what you meant?

Posted by hotwildflower on August 8, 2008 at 10:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well put, Veracious1!

Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 8, 2008 at 10:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

wildflower, even after taking the race card out.. I still feel the same way about McInerney and his adult decision. I guess if you would have been there when this happened u just might understand.

Posted by BHAK on August 8, 2008 at 10:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sikrchick,

Where are you getting your so called information & facts from regarding Larry's father? Could it be from Casa Pacifica or may be the resident transgender lodged at Casa that claimed on TV he had been counseling Larry or maybe E.O. Green. Just curious you seem to know what all Larry suppose to have claimed.

Posted by hotwildflower on August 8, 2008 at 10:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think if you were there when it happened, then you are probably crossing some lines in discussing it here on a public forum prior to trial.

Posted by nunyabiznus on August 8, 2008 at 10:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

junior...your right, we are just going in circles, we will never see eye to eye on this subject, so i will just leave it at that.

latin lady...save your breath, just know there are plenty of people that agree with you,(the justice system) and that's all that matters. have a great weekend.

Posted by Relvd98 on August 8, 2008 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"I still feel the same way about McInerney and his adult decision"

And I'm still waiting for your reply. Is it ONLY an adult decision to pick up a gun and shoot someone? If not, how old must one be to shoot someone?

Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 8, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

i was not there, but i can only imagine. and i have heard on the stress it has casued those who were there.

Posted by Justice357 on August 8, 2008 at 10:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Anyone who picks up a gun knows what happens when the trigger is pulled. Yes, even a 5 year old. Guns have been marketed as toys for years and when we were kids we would play "cowboys and indians" or "cops and robbers." The result of the game would be shooting and killing with the gun. Now there are video games that truely display the image of death when a gun is shot. This kid took a gun to school with the intent to kill. The gun was not there to "protect himself." He shot the victim in the back of the head...an act of cowardness. He had the specific intent to kill and he did so. The charges and punishment are fair and he should get 51+ years in prison. The victim got death and will be six feet under for eternity.

There have been cases, one in particular, where a inspector from Bakersfield was killed along with her husband and mother. This deranged killer did not locate the grandfather and children hiding in a camper. There was a restraining order and past incidents with this killer and the inspector, but the killer was released from custody pending a trial on battery charges. At this time, the killer went on a rampage and killed the inspector and her two family members. The killer was located and gunned down by police. An investigation revealed this subject had killed his parents when he was 13 years old. Court records were not available in Alaska prior to this Killer's release, therefore, he was freed and killed again.

The point is.....This kid is a Killer and will do so again. There is no doubt he is the suspect and should be punished to the maximum penalty. Anything else would be a miscarriage of justice!

Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 8, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

All the student's that were present, the teacher in the classroom, hmm I wonder if they would feel the same as you do.

Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 8, 2008 at 10:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Juniormafia, no I was not there- Thank God for that! But have talked with those who were there. (not in the classroom that it happened)but on campus.. and u just feel it...

Posted by hotwildflower on August 8, 2008 at 10:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have read that as well Junior, they signed petitions that he be tried in juvenile as well as the gay and lesbian group requesting the same thing...interesting how those who WERE there share in our opinion.

Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 8, 2008 at 11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

well yeah, I feel bad for McInerney too, it is sad that he put himself in this mess, I mean I wish he would have never done what he did. BUT he decided out of his OWN will to do so, and NOW he SHOULD suffer the consequences.

Posted by Zeke on August 8, 2008 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"juniormafia_ny: King was the bully and aggresively sexually harrassed McInerney, get that straight." (BTW: proper spelling for aggresively is aggressively and harrassed is harassed, you may need a spelling lesson for future comments.)

Get this straight, GLBT students are the target of constant bullying, harassment, verbal and physical abuse on a daily basis in our public schools. However, they don't resort to blowing the brains out of their fellow bullying classmates. The facts are, teachers and school administrators turn a deaf ear to the epidemic of bullying of GLBT students, which sends a message to their other students they condone such behavior. Because GLBT students cannot endure this constant terrorism and see no end to it in sight. Sadly many take their own lives to end their pain and suffering. If GLBT students followed your, and McInerney's, method of dealing with handling this situation, their would be a lot students murdered in our schools. How dare you insinuate that Larry's "alleged" attempt to stand up to his bully by blowing him kisses or harassing him back, deserved to have his brains blown out. Your ignorance to the plight of the suffering GLBT students endure is appalling. In my opinion, blaming Larry for the actions of his murderers is despicable.

That said, I find myself torn between holding McInerney accountable for his horrific actions of killing Larry and sentencing this young boy to spend the rest of his life in prison. I believe he should receive some leniency, as long he doesn't get off without serving 10-15 years in prison. Anything less would send a terrible message his actions were somehow acceptable.

Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 8, 2008 at 11:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Zeke- I totally agree with you, maybe not the max sentence, but at least more than what the juvenile court would sentence him.

Posted by Mamie on August 8, 2008 at 11:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Junior, I salute you and hope you hear my loud cheering. Thank you for being the most solid voice in this thread and remaining above the fray of the emotional cries.
I do not believe that anyone can call either of these two "children" considering that there was clear evidence of sexual posturing and harassment on both sides that even teachers and administrators were uncomfortable or untrained to properly handle.
Every one who wants to bring in the McInerney parents but I haven't seen one post about how the King parents failed and allowed their son to be placed into a foster living home. I think the kid may have rejected his own family as much as they most likely rejected his lifestyle choices. King was 'counseled' by gay rights groups within the area and I believe that they should be forced to fully comply and submit any records they hold to see if King was encouraged to represent himself in ways that he was not prepared to deal with the consequences those actions might bring.
All records on Larry King must be released to the court, maybe we don't all need to read them but I fully agree with Junior and others that those records are very crucial to determining the fine points such as motive and culpability.

Posted by Latina_805 on August 8, 2008 at 11:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

so what if Larry would of been a hispanic girl instead of a boy, would anybody feel different? Would it be so publicize as it is now?

Posted by Latin_Lady_25 on August 8, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Latina 805? huh?

Posted by hotwildflower on August 8, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If Larry was a girl, I doubt we would have had this outcome. A better question would be what if Brandon was a girl? I can assure you that school administrators would have jumped all over that and not ignored a boy sexually harrassing a girl to that extent!

Posted by Latina_805 on August 8, 2008 at 11:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

totally agree hotflower

Posted by Latina_805 on August 8, 2008 at 11:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sorry I'm trying to multi-task here. I meant if Larry was a hispanic girl harrassing Brandon and eventually killing 'her'. Would it be such a publicize event as it is now? I feel that there is more sympthay for Larry because he was gay, and people are being harder on Brandon because of it. Sorry I think I lost myself too Jr. =)

Posted by brwnoso on August 8, 2008 at 11:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There some good points in here, but that's not going to bring back King. You do the crime, now do the time.

Posted by holdenon_2000 on August 8, 2008 at 11:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Junior Mafia has it right! The King child was wrong by sexually harassing McInerey. He did not deserve to be killed, but sometimes people get pushed over the line. This is the schools responsibility to keep bully's from distracting students. The school was extremely lenient on King, allowing him to dress like a drag queen, allowing him to make sexual advances towards other students. I am so tired of Gays getting away with conduct that others would not get away with, because the authority is afraid of discrimination whiplash. The Gay community has used King as there political trophy child, maybe this is why he was guided by his Gay peers to be self expressive, which ultimately lead to his death. Would a child be allowed to wear a white hood in school (freedom of speech, just as a GAY can dress in drag). The Hood is not acceptable, so why is dressing in drag. Could a student wear a Hitler T-shirt to school?

My point being that this should have been avoided. King did not need to press his sexual preference on others. He did not need to dress in drag, He did not need to tell students that he was physically interested in other boys. I have noticed that Gays are much more vocal in their sexuality. If it was a boy contstantely harassing a girl, the school would have put a stop to it, but they were to scarred to Protect McInerneys rights, because GAYS are so vocal about protecting their rights (dressing in drag at school should not be a right), regardless if they impose on others.

Every day I lose simpathy towards Gays because I believe that they are so wrapped up in their rights that they overlook the rights of others.

King has no right to harass and bully others. He knew he was causing trouble, and was warned by boys to stop. He crossed the line, and pushed McInerny over the line. McInereny, had no help from the school, so he took things into his own hands. He stood up for himself! in the only way he thought he could stop from being harassed. Again the school did nothing to stop this.

How would this case look if a Girl killed a boy whom kept making sexual advances towards him. I bet the girl would get mercy, and would be able to use the self-defense plea. Everyone would say poor Girl, she was a victim. How is this different?

Posted by Latina_805 on August 8, 2008 at 11:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

well said holdenon_2000. In some schools they can't even wear 'southpole' clothing! Talk about being strict.

Posted by ThatsRubbish on August 8, 2008 at 11:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

One of the biggest problems with the system we have is that there is so much effort and wasted time given to the criminal. Have we all forgotted about the victims? What protected rights did he give Larry? We need to stop coddling criminals and start giving them what they deserve and in this case lock the door and throw away the key.

Posted by schmiddl on August 8, 2008 at 12:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is very tragic I am at a loss for words, so many differences of opinions.
Two young men are deeply effected one can never live to talk about it. He is at peace now. I wonder what he thinks, all of the speculation as to what went on at school only they know. I am sure Brandon feels terrible for what hes done as he should , premeditated maybe but the mind of a young man isn't fully developed yet the choice between right from wrong has not yet been established and unfortunatly he made a terrible choice that will haunt him for the rest of his life and Larry's family will suffer a deep void, his brother has lost his best friend.
Whatever happens to Brandon I hope everyone involved in both family's find a way to make peace of the decision in court they are all feeling the way they absoulutley have a right to. Lets let this make us more observant of our children and try to help them in the right direction when it comes to the treating others with decency despite their differences we have lost all respect of each other in this world we have polluted our childrens minds with judgment i'm sure we're all guilty of a little name calling, that is where it start it has to stop somewhere.

MY CONDOLENCES TO THE KING FAMILY IN THESE TRYING TIMES...

Posted by DrcGrl on August 8, 2008 at 12:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You know kids have teased and been teased for many yrs. No matter how bad the teasing, murder/death should never be an option. Especially with kids!!!! Yes the school staff should have intervened, but something is truly wrong in the head of a child that he/she thinks this is the only option/remedy.

Posted by schmiddl on August 8, 2008 at 12:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Larry's records should be givin to the court , I believe there may be alot of truth unfortunatly to the upbringing and foster situation of Larry King.
This should not be ignored.

Again heartfelt sympathy to both families...

Posted by byteme on August 8, 2008 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DrcGrl..I was thinking the same.When I was younger I can't count the number of times I got bullied or teased, yet I did not ever think of killing them

Posted by LivinInPoorMansPV on August 8, 2008 at 12:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What is freaky is Larry knew his time was up, he knew he went too far. He even dressed for the occasion. This is so sad, they were just boys. I wonder if the idiotic staff & admin at the school who turned there back on what all was going down, can't sleep at night. They have blood on there hands also.

Posted by LivinInPoorMansPV on August 8, 2008 at 12:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DrcGrl
I was bullied and teased also, and I still wish ill will on those useless excuses of human beings. And I am sure at the time, I wanted them dead. I was non-stop bullied and teased pretty much until I was in my later years in HS. Bullying and teasing is wrong & pointless. Some day it will come back to bite you in the a$$. Larry's day came very early.

Posted by LivinInPoorMansPV on August 8, 2008 at 12:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

JM he was wearing PROPER SCHOOL ATTIRE for the first time in a long time, according to the news articles and statements of the school admin. He came to school and kept his mouth shut and did his schoolwork. This is one of the sickest & saddest happenings I have heard in a long time. Men murdering there pregnant wives, is up there too.

Posted by LivinInPoorMansPV on August 8, 2008 at 12:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DrcGrl

"but something is truly wrong in the head of a child that he/she thinks this is the only option/remedy."

That is true, there is also suicide.

Bullying and teasing IS NO JOKE! I wanted to DIE, or for them to DIE. This is serious.

Posted by nunyabiznus on August 8, 2008 at 12:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

HOLD ON, NOW...HOLDENON_2000
A WHITE HOOD & HITLER T-SHIRTS PROMOTE HATE, A BOY DRESSING IN GIRLS CLOTHING(DRAG) DOES NOT.
WHY DID LARRY HARRASS BRANDON, COULD HE HAVE BEEN RETURING THE FAVOR.
IF KING WOULD HAVE SHOT BRANDON, FIRST, OH BUT WAIT, LARRY HAD MORE SENSE, THAN TO DO THAT. INSTEAD HE TOLERATED IT & PLAYED BACK. UNFORTUNATE FOR HIM.

Posted by DrcGrl on August 8, 2008 at 12:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I too was teased. You are taught to ignore the teasing and just turn and walk away, but I know it is hard for many kids based on the level of teasing.

LivinInPoorMansPV - yes, suicide isn't any better.

Posted by schmiddl on August 8, 2008 at 12:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Id like to know how many of you knew either of these families?

No one knows the truth but these two young men let Larry rest in peace. And Brandon deal with his own guilt Im sure he has remourse...

Posted by Hueneme_girl29 on August 8, 2008 at 12:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Junior - sent you an email. Never got one from you today?? Wierd.

Posted by childrensrights on August 8, 2008 at 12:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am so sad for the death of Larry King but we need to look at the big picture. Yes Brandon needs to be punished and what he is suspected of doing is just uncomprehensible, but the fact remains, he is still just a child no matter how the justice system spins it.

It was reported that Larry bullied Brandon, or at the very least, intimidated him. Of course that is no reason to kill, but in a child's eyes who feels he can take no more, they act illogically, impulsively and never comprehend the long term ramifications of their actions.

I think it is disgusting that our judicial system denies the chance of rehabilitation to our children. No one can determine who can be saved or not. We as a society should at least try.

I agree with Brandon's attorney. Our laws need to be changed. Stop warehousing our children at tax payers expense. I'd rather donate my money to save a child than let him die a slow death in a cell.

www.justiceforjuveniles.org

Posted by NightLight on August 8, 2008 at 12:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Admittedly I haven't had time to read all of the comments but I think some things need to be said, sorry if I'm repeating anything that has already been stated.

Shooting someone with a gun does not automatically make a person guilty of first degree murder. Each specific type of criminal charge (first or second degree murder, manslaughter, etc.) has specific criteria that must be met. This is why he is pleading not guilty, his lawyer is arguing that his actions do not meet the criteria for the specific charge being made. As I believe was stated in the article, he would plead guilty to a different charge or in a different court.

Many different points are being debated here in the comments. Who was harrassing who, what was the victim wearing, were the school administrators and parents aware of what was going on, did the shooter taunt the victim, etc etc. Sadly many of these comments here begin with "I read that..." or "I heard that..." and so on. This is the reason for the court case, so these things can be confirmed and a proper decision made accordingly.

Posted by danp on August 8, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hopefully Judge Snyder from the Simpsons doesn't come in with a "boys will be boys" motion

Posted by B8R_N4MD on August 8, 2008 at 1:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Larry's records from school or any other times he was in contact with Brandon are relevant. IMO, his personal records at Casa shouldn't matter, Brandon probably did not have any knowledge of any of them.

If the facts about Larry teasing Brandon are true, then Brandon had many other choices to use to take out his aggression when he lost it. I remember there being fights in school, pushing, shoving, punching, challenging in front of others, name calling, etc, but NEVER did I see someone KILL another. Brandon could have easily just punched him in front of everyone, but he chose to end his life. He went way too far.

Everyone on here has good points. I dont think 10 years for murder is enough, which is the maximum he can get in Juvenile Court. I also think 50 years plus may be a little excessive also considering his age. He needs to be tried in Adult Court, but maybe receive a lesser sentence than the max.

Posted by alex.poet on August 8, 2008 at 1:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"When Superior Court Judge Edward Brodie asked McInerney if he understood his rights, the boy answered 'Yes, sir,' in a strong voice."

McInerney can be rehabilitated to a cold blooded walk free felon.

If it takes him to be 25 for him to be a fully formed adult, then why are you advocating for him to be put into juvenille hall? So he can spend the remainder of his maturing days contemplating his freedom. That doesn't sound like he'll learn the lesson he needs.

Maybe Brandon needs to be in therapy until he's 25, but he definitely does not deserve to spend one single day in his twenties outside of prison.

On a side note, my friend found it funny when we we're talking about how pro-lifers usually endorse capital punishment. "You got to give them the chance to sin first."

Posted by B8R_N4MD on August 8, 2008 at 1:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Junior, in my opinion it does not matter if he had a history of harrassment towards anyone else. No one else shot and killed Larry except Brandon. Brandon was acting on his own behalf, not for others that Larry may or may not have harrassed. Even if Larry was harrassing, harrassing does not justify murder. Words do not justify physical harm, no matter how much they bother or upset someone.

Posted by MicheleinCA on August 8, 2008 at 1:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So, some of you believe it was harrassment if Larry King made passes at McIrney. That means any time a boy asks a girl, who is not interested in him, out he is harrassing her. Therefore, if King's harrassment means McIrney was justified in killing him, then every girl who gets unwanted advances should just kill the boy for doing so. Yeah, that makes sense.

At the age of 14 everyone knows guns kill. McIrney brought the gun to school, scoped out his victim and shot him in the back. He knew what he was doing and he planned it. It sounds like the charges against him are ligitimate.

The reason he is pleading not-guilty is not because the charges against him do not meet the requirements - it's because if he pleads guilty he goes to prison. It's only by pleading not-guilty that a trial can be held against the accused, and he has a chance of getting off or having a lessor charge be brought against him. Everyone pleads not-guilty unless they are mentally incompetant, then the court advises strongly against it.

Posted by B8R_N4MD on August 8, 2008 at 1:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

THESE STATEMENTS SEEM CONTRADICTORY:
"This is not a complicated case, who did it and the manner of death," he said. "The issue is Brandon's age and what was going on at E.O. Green School."

McInerney feels remorse and does not understand the seriousness of what he's facing, he said.

"Going from being on the beach to being locked in a cage until he dies," Quest said. "It's hard for anyone to contemplate that, much less a 14-year-old."

McInerney is a strong candidate for rehabilitation, something that could be considered in juvenile court, Quest said.

"He was a good kid. I think he would continue to be a good kid." END

Its stated its not complicated, yet Brandon does not understand the seriousness of what he is facing. He is a good kid, yet he has no idea what the concequences of killing someone is? Less than 10 years of rehabilitation can cure him?
I disagree, but then again, I am not on the jury, I am only commenting on what was printed in the story. (Which we know is ALWAYS accurate).

Posted by B8R_N4MD on August 8, 2008 at 1:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Did you guys know that s u c k e r is a bad word according to the website? I tried posting s u c k e r punch and it scolded me that I needed to remove the "s__" word that isnt allowed.

Posted by MrMurph on August 8, 2008 at 1:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

1) Children should not be tried as adults ever for any reason. Neuroscience clearly shows that children are not biologically ready to make the samd logical decisions we expect of adults. This is why we have driving ages, ages of consent, voting ages, etc. Some of the previous comments reflect a cold-blooded desire for vengeance, not intelligent justice.

2) Larry King was not murdered because he was gay. He was murdered for bullying and sexually harrassing other students. This behavior doesn't justify killing him, but to pretend otherwise is both simplistic and simple-minded.

3) I hope that justice is served, that Brandon is found guilty of a lesser charge, and that common decency prevails. The DA's office is grandstanding and should be ashamed of themselves.

Posted by Justice357 on August 8, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MRMURPH - So a juvenile (under 18) can commit murder, assualt w/ deadly weapon, robbery etc as much as they want?? ARE YOU KIDDING!!! You need to see how many juveniles DO NOT get tried as juveniles and should. I know of one kid who stabbed another and got an 18 year suspended sentence,,,,meaning 1 year in juvenile hall. 3 days after his release he stabbed another person. So, you say this kid should not be tried as an adult. You need to wake up and see what is happening in this world. Too much violence and it needs to be delt with appropriate punishment! Kids these days know what they will get even before they commit crimes. Our juvenile justice system does not work and will continue to fail with thoughts of your kind.

Posted by prd2beamrkn on August 8, 2008 at 1:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr Murph

so true!

Posted by Equitable_Enforcer on August 8, 2008 at 1:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Who amongst you has personal knowledge of the degree to which a vice principal knew of the goings on ... and the degree to which she contributed to the tragic results by not taking action that a reasonable management person should have taken under the circumstances? Was that administrator driven by activism? Why was she promoted? NewsWeek laid the groundwork for that question. It seems that many are afraid to go down that path. Why pertinent? Because it may well be a core decision making element as to the hate crime charges.

Posted by Blueheron on August 8, 2008 at 2:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Juniormafia_ny, you are correct. This was not a hate crime.

Anything else is a type of Cultural Elitism. In other words, Homosexuals are a "special" protected class. Crimes against them for any reason MUST carry higher penalties.

I do not believe that a virtual 13 year old is prepared to be sexually harassed by a Homosexual nor should this school have allowed it.

Because Brandon was harassed and only just barely 14, he absolutely should not be tried as an adult.

Funny isn't it how it's no problem at all when Homosexuals harass straight people but God forbid that you even look at Homosexual the wrong way.

This folks is Liberal "genius" at it's best. From the same idiots who guarantee higher prices not just for gas but for food and everything that you consume.

The DA is trying Brandon as an adult and for a hate crime for strictly political reasons. It's called Political Correctness. It is a shame.

I do not dislike Homosexuals. I dislike "special" rights of any kind for any class except for things like scholarships for truly poor students with well above average qualifications. Otherwise we should all get in line with everybody else.

We all know things would be very different for Brandon if Larry hadn't been Gay.

Most of all though I wish Larry were still here to follow his own dreams, he might have deserved a few punches, not two bullets.

Posted by Comments on August 8, 2008 at 2:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is just such a sad story from every angle. It's clear to me that Brandon is guilty. What isn't as clear is how he should be tried and punished. My initial knee-jerk emotional reaction to this story when I 1st heard it was to throw the book at him. However I feel quite differently as new information comes to light. I do think he knew what he was doing and I do think he was aware that dead is dead. And, I think a mere 6 - 11 yrs in juvie is likely to light a sentence. However, I also believe that were extenuating circumstances that can't be ignored.

I do not want to excuse murder - ever. However, at that age I do think that Brandon may have felt he had no other choice and just wanted to bullying to stop. Other facts may emerge at some point, but the facts that have been published to date indicate that Larry was the one doing the bullying. Even Larry's father concedes that Brandon was being harrassed sexually by his son. Not one single adult intervened on Brandon's behalf. Indeed many school officials have said that they knew it was an issue, they went to administration, but the admin didn't want to touch this highly charged PC issue. So, they ignored. And it seems that one of Larry's advisors was giving him some really poor advice. The school officials should be ashamed of themselves and the only good thing that may come of this tragedy is that schools may now address this issue and arrive at policies to help prevent future issues.

I also feel that parents on both sides have some culpability here. None of them were parent of the year for sure. How sad.

And, I do strongly feel that Larry's file should be made available to the defense. No, not in order to "blame the victim," but so that the defense has all the facts available. When someone is on trial for their life they should be entitled to all the facts for their defense.

I am so sad for Larry and I'm sorry he was so confused. What a sad life he had, which ended way too soon and way too sadly. School is hard enough without being "different." I have always supported gays/lesbians rights. However, I also equally support rights for all. Larry's behavior would not have been tolerated had he been a hetersexual male sexually harrassing a female student, or a heterosexual female sexually harrassing a male student. Why it was tolerated here is beyond me.

Posted by Justice357 on August 8, 2008 at 2:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't do the crime if you don't want to do the time! He should be 64 YOA and just about ready to see his own fate. That is of course, they allow parole!

Posted by NavalAviator on August 8, 2008 at 2:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Then should the records come in during the sentencing phase?

Posted by LivinInPoorMansPV on August 8, 2008 at 2:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Blueheron

Thank you for stating some realities some people just don't want to accept.

"I dislike "special" rights of any kind for any class except for things like scholarships for truly poor students with well above average qualifications.

Otherwise we should all get in line with everybody else."

HERE HERE!

Thanks to all of you who think you deserve special rights due to your $exual orientation or color of your skin, way to go.

All for one and one for all. We are HUMANS that is all WE ARE!

Posted by NavalAviator on August 8, 2008 at 3:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am also surprised that there was no history of physical confrontation between these 2 boys. It is surprising to me that Mr. McInerney's first reaction would not have been to knocked King out for that kind of crap. And if Mr. King was that tough, to have pickup up something around school to equalize King's superior toughness.

There is really something wrong if a kids first response is to grab a gun and kill his tormentor.

Posted by Justice357 on August 8, 2008 at 3:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Some do some dont. In this case, he will re-offend. Humans are animals. Once they draw blood, they will want it again. Like dogs who are abused to the point the kill or attack because that is all they know to do. This kid is like that. That is his only means of handling a situation.

I am not talking of those who kill in the prevention of death (self-defense) because the act was for survival, not for extinction. Those people deal with PTSD because it is not in their blood to do it.

Catch my drift.....That is why there is punishment for those who kill!

Posted by dc_n_vta on August 8, 2008 at 3:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What a bunch of crap!!
http://www.gilroydispatch.com/news/24...

This guy is a known gang member with a record for assault and is being tried as a juvenile? In the state of CA none the less?

Posted by LivinInPoorMansPV on August 8, 2008 at 4:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Holy Heck JM you roll at those places... I am sure we have bumped into each other, sorry lol

Cat my first response when I have been bullied, was to watch that person writhe in pain, but hey that is just me.

MEAN PEOPLE $UCK!

Posted by Relvd98 on August 8, 2008 at 4:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Back at ya' Junior!

Posted by danp on August 8, 2008 at 4:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Can they throw the death sentence at him? I dont know what quality of life in prison could be maintained, other than costing tax payers tons of money. Either way you look at it, he has no real chance at life. If he got out when he is 60 or 65 or just did life, whats the difference? Will he even live that long in prison? He'll spend his last 5 or 6 years alive looking for his first job at baskin robbins? Or will he just Rob all 31 flavors to get by for a few years?

Posted by mauid2005 on August 8, 2008 at 4:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

By entering a plea of not-guilty, Brandon is ensured this will go to trial, where he might stand a chance of getting a lesser sentence than pleading guilty and being sent away. Plus, with a trial they will pick a jury of his peers. But at the age of 14, how is any jury going to be his "peer"?

I have to admit that when I first heard of the shooting, I was ready to throw him in prison for the rest of his life and I was ready to have him tried as an adult. In light of what has been leaked through the press, I find myself at a crossroad. I do believe he knew exactly what he was doing that morning. He is reported to have aimed the gun at the back of Larry's head and pulled the trigger twice. That's coldblooded murder in my eyes. But I don't know the facts. I wasn't there to witness the crime. I wasn't a part of this boy's life so I don't know what was in his head. It is also reported that Brandon was taunted not only by Larry but by his friends as well. Any young male would be upset and confused - but that sure doesn't justify murder.

I do believe that both boys were failed by their parents and the school administration. Again, I don't know the facts I can only go off what I have read. I just don't see how Larry being allowed to dress in a feminine manner was beneficial to him. Really, does an 8th grader need to show up to school in stilettos? From my understanding, the dress code states that clothes should not be a disruption. I'm sorry but any time I see a male dressed in female clothing, it disrupts me. Why? Because it's not normal.

Unfortunately there is no going back, only moving forward. The King family has lost a child and will have to carry that with them forever. The McInerney family, no matter how troubled they are, have also lost their child. Yes, they can still see him but it's no longer their "innocent" child.

I sure hope I don't get called for jury duty and assigned to this case because I don't know how I would handle it. This is a tragedy for everyone.

Posted by prd2beamrkn on August 8, 2008 at 4:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dnap

What kind of intelligent comments are those? They make absolutely no sense of any kind. Is there a mention of robbing a 31 flavors, or are the one who did it.

Posted by prd2beamrkn on August 8, 2008 at 4:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ok, rcamacho

did you harrass these violent WHITE kids? No, different scenario, different story! Remember, Larry was the HARRASSER! So, I guess your right, do the crime, do the time! Larry did his crime, now he is doing the time. This is ridiculous

Posted by prd2beamrkn on August 8, 2008 at 5:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I would like to know how many of you would be voting to have your son spend the rest of his life in jail if it was your son we are talking about. Be honest!

Posted by prd2beamrkn on August 8, 2008 at 5:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We are not saying he should not be punished. Just not for life. How many of those gangbangers who shoot people daily are sentenced to life? NONE! How many are tried as adults who have just turned 14? Probably none! Brandon is being made an example of because of the notoriety of the case. Plain and simple! DA does not want to look bad because the country is watching!

Posted by julsthemom on August 8, 2008 at 5:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Personally, I do not feel that he should be tried as an adult. Speaking from experience, having had a sister (who was killed) who was born a lesbian (yes, she was born that way), I feel that my point of view is impartial and that I can see "both" sides. While I feel for Larry's family and the reality that he will never be alive again, I also feel for the boy, yes boy, who killed him. To my understanding, and correct me please if I am wrong, there had been altercations between the two that the school did nothing about. At 13 years of age, homosexuality is very hard to deal with...both for the child finding that they are and the ones that are not. We have dress codes for a reason...no gang clothing, no short skirts, and Larry should have been told that no makeup or heels are to be worn and that sexual harrassment would not be tollerated. I think the school, in it's efforts to be "politically correct" failed to help prevent this tradgedy. This is too often the case. Example...when my son was in kindergarten, he was the only "white" boy in class and all of the sudden nobody would play with hime. When I inquired to another child why this way, his response to me, and remember, this from a 5 year old, was "we don't play with white boys". I brought this to the attention to the administration and was told "you have to get used to it". My reply was no, I do not, because if it was the other way around, my son, would be reprimanded. If it was Larry that shot Brandon then I can guarentee you that he would tried as a juvie because it would be the right thing to do...just as it is the right thing to try Brandon as a juvie, not an adult. Having said that, I would like to express my heartfelt condolences to Larry's family. Being the sister of a victim, I can relate to the anger and greif you are feeling. Losing a child and/or brother/sister is something nobody should have to go through. You can be a part of something good coming from all this pain...you can help see that the child responsible for taking your child's life has a chance at life. God Bless You.

Posted by prd2beamrkn on August 8, 2008 at 5:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you for your point of view julethemom.

You have probably the only real experience of everyone here. Sad story!

Posted by julsthemom on August 8, 2008 at 5:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow...for the first time Juniormafia and I agree on something.

Posted by julsthemom on August 8, 2008 at 5:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you back SCfan01.

Posted by mas on August 8, 2008 at 6:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

brandon should give his life for the life he took.51 years to life,not nearly enough.brandon is a coward,NO MERCY!

Posted by NavalAviator on August 8, 2008 at 6:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

He has to plead not guilty. He has to take it to trial. He needs to go to trial so that he can appeal.

If he takes a deal, or pleads guilty, he cannot appeal it.

Posted by ironwoman on August 8, 2008 at 7:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Who would want Brandon Mcinerney living next door to them when he's 25 years old, driving around in their community, shopping at the same store, dating their daughter, going to college with their kids, and so forth? I sure wouldn't. I would never want my kids to associate with some person who once killed another student.
I can just hear it, "that was a long time ago, I don't do that anymore".

Who would trust that? Sorry but that's just how I feel. It's called public safety and that is why he should go to prison. He can never be trusted. He's a killer.

Posted by NowHearThis on August 8, 2008 at 8:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think the kid should go to prison for life. He earned it.

Posted by julsthemom on August 8, 2008 at 8:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Amazing...the lynch mob mentality in this blog is deplorable and disturbing. Guess that is just the way our society has become.

Posted by Ihateliars on August 8, 2008 at 9:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

For the love of god, I have just about had it. Greg and Dawn King are pathetic excuses for parents. They hated that Larry was gay and helped throw him away. ARGH Larry never violated the dress code so get over it. Larry and Brandon did not have a long-standing problem that the administration knew about. Larry complained about a lot of kids but never Brandon and Brandon never went to administrators about Larry. What does that tell you. Release the records. Casa Pacifica adhered to the law. EO Green adhered to the law. No records or files will be “hidden” that is not what this is about. Ask for it, demand it, and “it” will be revealed. You want the truth? Don’t be afraid of it. By the way Joy Epstein is the epitome of child advocates, gay or straight. She is welcome to teach my children or any other family member of mine, for that matter. Gay agenda? What is that. Any teacher at EO Green that spoke in anonymity s u c k s. Be on the record or don’t speak. I can’t wait til all the records are released. August 11th—release the records.

Posted by WolfWalker on August 9, 2008 at 12:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news...
“King's classmates said he was openly gay and was teased by some students at the middle school.”

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news...
“Some of King's classmates said King had described himself as gay and had been teased for adding makeup and high-heeled boots to his school uniform.”

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news...
“They said King was teased for his nonconformist behavior and had been involved in an ongoing dispute with the 14-year-old boy accused of the shooting.
At 15, how can anybody know what his sexuality is?" Cohen asked.”
(If brandon didn’t know what he was doing when he killed Larry, the same can be said the Larry didn’t know what he was doing.)

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news...
“Some students have said King was openly gay, had been teased by others and was involved in an ongoing dispute with the suspect.”

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news...

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news...
“Several students have said King was openly gay and other students often teased him because of his nonconformist behavior and style of dress.”

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news...
McInerney knows martial arts and so he did not need to use a gun for protection.

(juniormafia_ny “King's actions provoked McInerney”
“if it is proven that Larry was the antagonizer”
“but it will prove that he acted for a reason”
“be it not doing anything about King's harassing”
“King was the bully and aggressively sexually harassed McInerney, get that straight.”

Check out some of these articles. And as I said before, I read that brandon and others were teasing larry for a while. to get back, larry started harassing him back and brandon couldn’t take it.
and if brandon didn’t like it he should have gone to adults or even beat larry up. And if brandon knew martial arts. how could king “bully” brandon?

Posted by NavalAviator on August 9, 2008 at 12:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

meatballperson - again, he has to plead not guilty and go to trail so he can appeal his being tried as an adult. His attorney is not trying to pleda him out. If he does that he will be sentenced as an adult and will not be able to appeal on grounds that he should have been tried as a juvenile.

Unless he gets a deal to be sentenced as a juvenile, this case is going to the box, as in jury box (to trial).

Posted by WolfWalker on August 9, 2008 at 12:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

TheVeracious1 you should also read those articles.
There is no excuse for killing someone, unless it’s a murderer.
Just because someone comes on to you, or tease’s you. Is not a reason to murder someone point blank in the head with two shots.

And if brandon snapped because a few words. What’s to say that he would be worse when he dose grow up, sense he had a violent childhood

Posted by dr_l_ron_bumquist on August 9, 2008 at 1:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh my gosh,

Ventura County at it's finest.

Nobody is reading the story. "Homos" or anybody perceived as such is harassed. I am not even gay, and was harassed in Jr. High School as such. Hell, I was gay bashed (beat up) because everybody thought I was gay. I was very shy and could not express myself. I guess I looked gay... could not help that. What I looked like was not up to me, but genetics.

Given, my parents should not of had kids. But they did, and here I am.

I am married with kids. So no, Star haters, I am not gay, but feel some understanding what gays are going through. Larry had a technique of dealing with the common bully. That is, he bullied the bully with their own hate.

I don't understand saying both kids didn't have a chance. Because, all kids have a chance....

That being said.... don't make the victim out to be the bully. He was not, in what I have read. He had a unique way of dealing with these kids.

Mr. King's parents need to shut up. No web sites or any donations. They failed their child. Do your kid proud and shut up. He was in foster care, for Chris Sake.

Ditto for McInerney's parents. Shut up. He had access to a gun... and he knew it.

The so called people who say there is a "gay agenda" should define it. It sounds like somthing that Rush or Michael Savage (nee "gay" Michael Weiner) would say.

As for the "punishment," we as taxpayers are paying for the prosecution and defense lawyers

As for the adult trial, hey, you voted for this DA (not me). Even though his crime was heinous, he should be tried in Juvenile Court. That goes for ANY person under the sweet age of 18.... what a freaking liberal I am.

Only the jury will know all the facts given the current situation. Hell, I have to report on the 25th of August for Jury Duty.

Love and peace to all. Please feel free to flame.

Posted by ironwoman on August 9, 2008 at 6:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

wolf8walker- You are absolutely correct.
You should also read the newsweek articles as well.
Larry King was only wearing girl clothing for about 4 months, since he was housed in Casa Pacifica. He asked Mcinerney to be his Valentine before Valentine's Day. Mcinerney got upset about it. Not only that, Mcinerney was disgusted by Larry's dress and bullied him. It is also reported that Mcinerney was into Hitler.
That should say a lot about his character.
Also, Mcinerney told one of Larry's friends (he had female friends) to say "good-bye" to Larry the day before he killed him. Additionally, Larry and Mcinerney got into a fight sometime before the murder. Larry wore "regular" clothing the day he was murdered. Mcinerney went into the classroom and SAT behind Larry for a few minutes reading a paper and starring back and forth at Larry before he shot and killed him.

julsthemom- You stated, "Amazing...the lynch mob mentality in this blog is deplorable and disturbing. Guess that is just the way our society has become".

I really think that you should tell Mcinereney this because he's the one who committed the horrible act....I didn't and neither did anyone on these posters.

Posted by WolfWalker on August 9, 2008 at 10:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Someone here posed a question “what if brandon was your son?”

Well if brandon was my son, I probably wouldn’t care about him, as it seems his parents don’t seem to care. (were are they now?) So lets change the question a little to “what if it was my kid who killed another kid in this fashion and for this reason?”
Well I would beat his butt, (and sense I’m teaching my son there are consequences for things we do. as my parents taught me) And now he has to face that. Even if it means death. I would also probably spend days trying to figure out where I went wrong. And I would probably stand by him. But could not forgive him. At least not for a long time.

Now I ask you. “What if larry was your son?” no… lets change that question, sense some of you are trying to blame larry for this. “what if your son was killed by another boy? Just because of teasing. How would you feel?”

Posted by VOR on August 9, 2008 at 10:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Right on point Ironwomen. How easy it is to blame the victim. I am sorry but Larry was the weaker of the 2 boys. To be a harasser you must have the power and I am sure Larry did not have such power. Brandon was almost a foot taller then Larry. Brandon was trained in martial arts and was a Jr. Marine where they also teach various defense techniques. Larry was just a little guy that has been harassed for a very long time and was fighting back the only way he could. I do not think of him as the harasser but the harassed.

It is interesting that in all the years he lived at home with his parents he never had this sort of problem. They were good responsible people that wanted the best for him even though it was difficult. He would never have been allowed to go to school like that, he would have followed the rules. As a good parent you set limits and make the child responsible for their actions to try to prepare them for the real world when they are older. It seems to me that the county, the school and Casa Pacifica thought they could be better parents and we see how that ended up. They failed to set limits, they failed to make Larry accountable for his actions and they failed in their responsibilities as care givers to give him proper guidance.

It is also interesting to see that he didn't start wearing the female attire until after bill SB777 was passed, virtually taking away all parental rights to be a parent and exercising their rights to set limits.

How did this bill sneak by, I never even heard of it? Shiela Kuehl should be impeached for imposing her gay agenda on the people of this state and eliminating the rights of parents to exercise their good judgement and raise their kids in a responsible manner. I am sure that the vice principal knew of this and was using Larry as her test case or poster boy for the gay agenda. Eveyone since this tragic killing is using this for their own agenda which just isn't right. The sad thing is that Larry probably was not even gay. This whole mess was a symptom of RAD which Larry suffered from. Everyone at the school, county, and Casa Pacifica did everything wrong which fed the symptoms. If Larry is to be a posterboy for some group, let it be kids with RAD and not the LGBT groups.

Read about RAD here http://radkids.org/# Larry fits all of the symptoms to a T.

Posted by julsthemom on August 9, 2008 at 11:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

VOR "The sad thing is that Larry probably was not even gay"...think it is a givin that he was gay. To bad his family obviously did not support Larry being who he was. Being gay or lesbian, for the most part, is not a choice. My sister, once said to me, that she could not understand why people would actually think that she chose to be a lesbian. The majority of gay/lesbian's are born that way. Unless someone is a religous zelot, they know this to be the case.

Posted by julsthemom on August 9, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'd also like to comment to those who are obviously comparing the bullying the recieved while a child to this tragedy. I could use that as an excuse as well and condem Brandon for what happened to me and mine when I was young...but as I am an adult and have gotten over it...I don't.

Posted by Ihateliars on August 9, 2008 at 11:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

VOR
I agree with you on one point, there are too many laws that prevent parents from parenting. With that being said, you stated, “It is interesting that in all the years he lived at home with his parents he never had this sort of problem. They were good responsible people that wanted the best for him even though it was difficult. He would never have been allowed to go to school like that, he would have followed the rules.” Greg King stated that he didn’t “believe” that his son was gay. If that is true, why did they bury their son, for all eternity, in full make-up and a woman’s skirt? Maybe if they had been accepting to Larry while he was still in the home, this tragedy would never have happened. By setting limits on when and where he could express himself rather than banning the expression all together. I find it interesting that they were more accepting after his death. What’s the old saying? Too little, too late?

Posted by srcheek on August 9, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

How is he not guilty? He brought a gun to school and sought Larry King out. If that isn't premeditated, then I don't know what it. I don't give a whit that he's "only 14". Larry King was only 15. Justice needs to be served and that means putting that arrogant little punk in prison for life. He gave up his right to a "normal" life when he decided to take another person's life.

Posted by Graham on August 9, 2008 at 2:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Some of the comments hear are unbelievable. Well actually they're quite believable, because the REAL killers of Lawrence King are here in this very forum.

Obviously not the one who physically pulled the trigger, but the ones who helped to create a hateful, disturbed kid like Brandon Mcinerney, via societal perpetuation of hate, fear, and hostility toward those who are gay (or otherwise different).

You know who you are. The homophobic, gay and gay rights bashing, ignoramuses who think that it's right to blame the victim for the fate he received at the hands of one of their up and coming own.

Trying to make Larry out to be the bully and harasser, when by all accounts Brandon was the popular cool kid bullying jock, while Larry was the one who was mostly shunned and picked on for simply being who he was and refusing to conform to others trivial expectations of him to abide by masculine norms. That wasn't who he was, and he should NOT be expected to live by your trivial demands just to make small minded and fearful YOU more comfortable.

Larry took a stand for himself and paid the price at the hands of those who made Brandon who he is. Instead of cowering, suppressing his sexual orientation, and conforming to fit in to make the bigots and repressed homosexual bullies comfortable, he turned the tables and expressed himself even MORE prominently and playfully flirted with those who were most antagonistic toward him.

That's not sexual harassment by-the-way. If kids' flirting was sexual harassment then almost EVERYONE would be government registered deviants. But more-so Larry's flirting was a response to bullying, they weren't actual sexual advances. (And he was flirting! He wasn't stealing kisses, or grabbing crotches and rear ends).

Brandon's response to Larry's defensive flirting only goes to show the disgusting cowardice and insecurity of the homophobic bigots of our society.

Lawrence King isn't being used as a 'poster boy' for gay rights groups. What a bunch of B.S. As a member of most of these groups I've seen NO use of Larry in any capacity that would make him a 'poster boy'. It's news, and yet another stark example of homphobia's impact on our society, but there are hundreds of such examples. Many of the leading gay rights organizations have actually put their two cents in that Brandon Mcinerney should be tried as a juvenile. They understand that he is still very young and a product of a society that indirectly makes such acts of violence against gay people seem appropriate and acceptable.

(cont…)

Posted by Graham on August 9, 2008 at 2:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

(cont…)

Gay agenda? WTH is that? The ONLY gay agenda is to be treated with respect, to be treated with legal equality, and to be protected from bigots and haters.

Nobody is asking for "special" rights. Who told you that? Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, or your weekly 9th commandment breaking preacher? Marriage equality is NOT a special right. It's being treated equally to be able have legal recognition of a loving commitment to the person you love. Current marriage laws aren't equal just because anyone can marry someone of the opposite sex. Why would the man OR woman want to be married to a gay person, rather than someone they share an intimate loving bond with?

Hate crimes protection? How's THAT a special right? It provides for protection (via increased penalties) from violent attacks based on one's 'sexual orientation'! These are not simply attacks on an individual, but attacks against a community or class of people. And it doesn't JUST protect gay people. Last I checked heterosexuality is ALSO a sexual orientation.

And you don't like gay rights parades, or gay people who flaunt their sexual orientation in your face. Keep in mind that that TOO is your OWN damn fault! It's ALL your own damn fault. If you'd created a society that was accepting of other's benign differences (like the small percentage of gay people), and not tried to stomp all over them for hundreds of years because you think some ancient book written by fearful men speaks for a God who says that's the way it should be, then there wouldn't be such things as gay pride parades or even gay rights organizations. They wouldn't be necessary, and standards of public conduct and morality could be applied evenly and equally.

So there you have it. Brandon should be given a VERY lengthy sentence in an institution of reform that will try to undo what a society of the ilk of some of the posters here have made of him.

Posted by faybie on August 9, 2008 at 6:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I can't find a single reference to the fact that Casa Pacifica records are MEDICAL RECORDS and can only be released with the signature of a parent or legal guardian. A court may subpoena such records but not share them publicly.
In any event, medical records have nothing to do with this case. The facts are the facts, and cold-blooded murder is MURDER. There was a classroom full of eye-witnesses who will suffer from the trauma and tragedy the rest of THEIR lives. Larry King wasn't the only victim here; he was the one who died. How about the other 20-odd people in the room?
I say hold Brandon's parents (or whomever the people were who furnished the gun) responsible. There is a law in California specifically to address this issue. Where's Greg Totten in this case?
I think Brandon and his worthless family should ALL rot in jail for a VERY long time.

Posted by VOR on August 9, 2008 at 6:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ihateliars,

" If that is true, why did they bury their son, for all eternity, in full make-up and a woman’s skirt? Maybe if they had been accepting to Larry while he was still in the home, this tragedy would never have happened. "

Where in the heck did you get that piece of information from? Larry was buried in a suit and tie, no makeup, no dress. That is exactly the kind of rumors and innuendo floating around that shows just how misinformed most of the public is in this case. The Kings supported Larry and attempted to work him through his problems, they loved their son, they did not push him out of their home. It was the county, school and Casa Pacifica that were directly responsible for this tragedy, not the King's. The experts in this case acted in bad faith and failed in their responsibilities. They all had their own agenda be it gay rights, politics or money. That being said, you should really hold off putting out inaccurate comments until you know the facts either first hand or from a real source. You do yourself and the rest of us a great disservice by propagating misinformation.

Posted by VOR on August 9, 2008 at 6:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My Bad, I posted in incorrect url before. It should have been http://www.radkid.org That is the site that all of you should read. In particular you should read it if you work for the county, school district or Casa Pacifica, before you ruin any more families, and you should read it too OFD_Wife/Ihateliars or whatever your nickname is this week. Perhaps you will then understand what the Kings were dealing with.

Posted by julsthemom on August 9, 2008 at 8:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Myopenyun..totally agree with you here.
ihateliers...looks like VOR caught you in some self hate.
VOR...thanks for correcting the liers

Posted by AnnaWhaat on August 10, 2008 at 8:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

juniormafia_ny , totally agree with your comment. The staff knew he was being harrassd and sexual advances being made towards him, then of course as kids will be kids, his friends started teasing him. I suppose it was alot for him to bear. The constant teasing from classmates cause another boy had a crush on him and even went as far as asking him to the prom!!!! This could have thrown him over the edge. The only way he knew to stop the teasing...........he lost it mentally. I wish he had gotten help before it came to someone getting shot and killed. But no one seemed to care enough to stop it .

Posted by SUNNY on August 10, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Junior-
I agree with you as well!! Brandon was being harassed by the victim, and although that does not justify his actions, it explains them... he should be punished AND rehabilitated!!! He should have a more linent sentence because he in fact was a victim too!!

Posted by AnnaWhaat on August 10, 2008 at 9:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

cowchip ,What makes you so sure Brandon knew what he was doing? How do you know he didn't suffer a nervous breakdown from all the teasing? Again assumptions.
hotwildflower ,I agree! How many Mothers have gotten away with murder due to post pardom blues? Its a mental condition. They do not stop to think out the outcome of it all.........
I dont have the time today to read all the comments. BUT I for one believe he should be tried as an adult. If other kids at the school all witness's this happening and said so after the fact why would they all lie? He tormented him until he cracked mentally...........period. Not that he should not be punished for what he did. But NOT as an adult!!!!!

Posted by chiques on August 10, 2008 at 2:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How come we haven't heard anything about the owner of the weapon? If Brendan gets a lesser charge, the life sentence should go against the registered owner of the gun. This makes all responsible gun owners look bad.

Posted by star on August 10, 2008 at 5:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If a 14 year old is as capable as an adult, then treat him like one and let him die in prison.

And then let's give drivers licenses to 14 year olds. And let them vote, and have sex, and buy alcohol.

Posted by Joesombody on August 10, 2008 at 8:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

He killed someone. He knew exactly what he was doing. He needs to face the consequences.

Posted by ironwoman on August 10, 2008 at 8:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Veracious,

So what you are saying is if someone harassed me and provoked me enough, I have the right to kill them.

So if Larry would have killed Brandon for bullying him and teasing him, you would feel the same way about this case?

Posted by Graham on August 11, 2008 at 2:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This Veracious is talking completely out his behind. He's literally making **** up, and for some reason doing his damnedest to defend the little cretin that murdered a wonderful person.

The true accounts of what took place put Brandon on the abusive end of the stick. Brandon came from a background where anti-gay sentiment ran high. It's a high probability that Brandon himself was gay, and when you put a kid with homosexual tendencies together inside a rabidly homophobic environment, watch out! You're either going to get a fundamentalist hate spewing preacher, a republican, a thug, or a killer (sometimes you get them all in one).

The ONLY harassment that Brandon got was Larry's refusal to be intimidated by him, which pissed Brandon off to no end! Brandon was bigger, stronger, more popular, and an up-and-coming neo-nazi bully, and when he saw that he couldn't push Larry around, and that Larry's response was to deflect Brandon's harassment by teasing him with flirtatious gestures, Brandon hit the roof!

Give it up Veracious, your boy is going to get his very well deserved and lengthy punishment, and if possible he'll be reformed. If not, he's best left to rot, before he infects and infests the rest of society with his sickness, like too many of his adult ilk are left to do.

Posted by ironwoman on August 11, 2008 at 6:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Veracious- I don't need to look anything up about anything that you suggest. It doesn't matter what Larry was or what he was troubled with.

You still didn't answer my question....if someone harassed me enough and teased me enough, that gives me the right to kill them? Correct. That is what you are saying. If you believe that I hope nobody in the near future teases you enough to hurt them.

As far as your question....I wouldn't be in the relationship you described. And no, I wouldn't kill them. I would call the police, file a police report and get involved in a domestic violence support group. I would hide from the abuser and make sure I was safe and my kids were safe. That is hopw people resolve stressful situations, even 14 year olds.
There are reasons to kill in self-defense cases, and this isn't one of them.

Posted by ripley on August 11, 2008 at 8:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Veracious, what planet did you come from??? Brandon grew up hating and was raised by a hateful family - now he has to pay a price. He had chances, like we all do, to diferentiate right from wrong, something even 4yr. olds can do. Too bad Brandon didn't have the sesibility to do that to "save" himself. He killed Larry with premeditation, obviously. There's been a murder, now we expect someone to pay and it must be Brandon - he did it. His parents should also be accountable for have that gun so accessible to him - why isn't our useless DA's office doing something about THAT? Hey, DA, wake UP and don't drop the ball on this ONE!!! Or maybe you don't WANT to win this one because you just caved in to the "adult" issue because of the pressure? Regardless, Brandon knew it was wrong - how could he not? He wasn't under a witch's spell, he's just full of hatred, and what's with this garbage about rehabing youths like him? Let him pay the price for KILLING another human being first!

Posted by LivinInPoorMansPV on August 11, 2008 at 9:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ironwoman

Why do you think they have battered women shelters? Why do you hear of so many women living in abusive situations, with the feeling of no way out and no where to go.

Not everyone is an IRONWOMAN IRONCHILD IRONMAN.

Heck I use to work with a back stabber (aka bully), doesn't mean everyone is a back stabber and knows how to handle them.

"And no, I wouldn't kill them. I would call the police, file a police report and get involved in a domestic violence support group"

You may, but not everyone in the world may not be as strong and confident as you. Some people don't know security/unconditional love.

Everyone was too busy protecting Larrys "RIGHTS" no one bothered to protect Brandon's.

The feeling of being useless and helpless with no support, or even worse, IGNORED. I would be almost certain Brandon may have even contemplated suicide, but he may have more of a defensive personality and some self worth and his survival instincts came in to play, so that he did not turn the gun on himself.

They are CHILDREN!

Posted by alex.poet on August 11, 2008 at 9:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Larry controlled everyone with his out of control behavior. It must have been scary and disturbing for all the kids to see a child so out of control with that much power."

Wow you're funny. This doesn't seem to work, logically, because 1) Oxnard children aren't as sheltered and innocent as you portray them to be. They watch television, curse, and pick fight. I doubt they were scared by Larry. 2) Larry was still only 5'1, a makeup wearing in your face little boy.

How can you condone this as being "pushed over the edge???" The only time that kind of defense should be acceptable is when the person is acting in defense of their life. When murder is in defense of their heterosexuality and reputation, then we as a society should throw the book at the perpetrator.

Although it might seem all right to dismiss McInerney's actions as overreaction to Larry's RAD, one could easily say that McInerney is dealing with some previously unacknowledged mental illness of his own.

So you say send him to Juvie - to me, and many others it the same as condoning his action. "There there Brandon, what you did was a mistake and we are going to make it all better."

Although I do not advocate that McInerney spend his entire life rotting in prison, I still believe that allowing him to get out at 25 is insufficient justice. 10 years for taking a life, execution style, in school, in front of a room full of other children, because he was being harassed, is not enough!

The judge should sentence him the 51 years, but maybe allow him to apply for parole after 20 years. One cannot say how he will fare in prison, perhaps he will turn to religion, but its just as likely that he will turn to hate (remember his previous obsession with Hitler).

California currently has 277 juvies serving life sentences. And its not like he's fate is set in stone, he is 20 times less likely to get this kind of sentence because he is not black. -see la times article for details-

Anyways, I'm sure you will pick a bone or three with my statements cause it seems you're a last word kind of guy. I'll agree with you to disagree. :)

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/nov/...

Posted by ripley on August 11, 2008 at 9:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

veracious-you sound like you got lots of hatred yourself. You must hate woman, that's obvious. You probably handle road rage very poorly, especially woman drivers. You sound like a nut case...hope you're not up for jury selection, there's no way they'd pick you anyway. And, I don't need YOUR permission to give my opinion, you get it for free...that's what this blog is for, ya think?!

Posted by lunachick4life on August 11, 2008 at 12:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If the situation was reversed, and Brandon used the gun on himself, as a result of the admitted teasing by Larry and inaction by administration, would Larry's teasing and status as an "innocent" victim be viewed differently?

Posted by Equitable_Enforcer on August 11, 2008 at 2:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

A court ruling today says that Brandon McInerney's defense team can have access to Larry King's school records and the records covering the time Larry King was at Casa Pacifica. The value of the records may well depend upon whether or not there exists at E. O. Green documentation regarding the reported conflicts. It will be especially interesting to see what documentation was maintained by the assistant principal who apparently worked out of her job description by becoming Larry's advocate.

Posted by opns on August 11, 2008 at 2:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Unfortunate for both young boys -
Question - should they make a example out of Brandon, you know this did make Newsweek, therefore National News.
A hard lesson to learn, but there should be no tolerance to Larry's behavior and let it be known in the schools. Period. Kid gets out of hand, call law enforcement, hire more officers, or what such. This type of behavior that has been around too long, for too many years now, and it needs to stop.
I challenge the Ventura School District to take strict measure from now on.
So bottom line - make Brandon pay well for his crime.
You gay people, are you happy now - is this what you wanted - You've plastered Larry's face all over your website for yoour what 'selfishness'. Your despicable in using this poor kid like this, your website should be abolished.

Posted by ripley on August 12, 2008 at 8:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Veracious- you talk too much, which makes you unbelievable. It took you ten paragraphs to TRY to insult me back. LOL!!! If you really are a woman, then you're even more stupid that I originally thought.
As far as the demon child that murdered Larry, he deserves whatever is waiting for him.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on August 12, 2008 at 11:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

star,Good point!
Joesombody, When you have a mental breakdown , you do not know what your doing or think of the consequences.
ironwoman ,No you just cant just kill someone for bullying..........this went on for years. Brandon was not gay. Although Larry continued to harrasse him with love letters, inviting him to the prom etc. the his friends teased him about it. YES he had a mental breakdown from all of this. He was only 14 for a few weeks....mentally he isn't capable of thinking as an adult would think.

Posted by Graham on August 13, 2008 at 12:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

opns WTH are you talking about? Larry's imagine isn't (and never was) "plastered all over" the web sites of gay rights organizations.

I regularly visit most of these sites and am on their E-mail lists, and while this story received somewhat heightened attention due to the nature of the crime (involving two young school children), it was no more focused on than MANY other important news stories to the gay (and gay supportive) communities over the last few years. And Larry's image was hardly "plastered" on their web sites, with only a photo or two, to go along with the story, like many other news stories involving individuals.

You really have no idea what you are talking about, and obviously harbor hostility toward gay people; clearly expressing a 'blame the victim' mentality.

However, as a matter of fact, a coalition of gay rights organizations expressed the belief that Larry's killer should NOT be tried as an adult, as they are of the (likely accurate) belief that Brandon (being an adolescent) was also a victim of a society that largely still harbors some very virulent hostility toward gay people. Most prominently promulgated by fundamentalist evangelical Christian churches and their powerful national organizations.

Also the gay rights organizations are well aware that frequently those who lash out the MOST viciously and violently against gay people are ACTUALLY severely repressed homosexuals themselves, who've been so indoctrinated by the society and people around them with hatred toward gay people, and who've been made to feel SO insecure about their sexuality, that they become extremely agitated and angry toward those gay people who ARE out and open and secure in their orientation. Especially toward anyone that might bring out the underlying fear and realization that THEY are gay! (e.g. via flirtatious advances from someone of the same gender).

At any rate, please try to refrain from your blame the victim mentality here. I suspect that there are some here too that feel Larry got what was coming to him. The most extreme of the fundamentalist evangelical Christians take the Bible's commandment of death to gay people, quite seriously.

Posted by opns on August 14, 2008 at 10:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Graham - I don't blame either one of those two persons - one is a murderer, and other was a taunter. None of which should of been tolerated by the schools. Never have I ever blamed the victim.
I could give a hoot what gays do, i could really really care less, that's their perogative. So how dare you attack me in this way. I know my sexuality, never had any doubts what so ever to questions even once, and its very well known, thank you very much.
And I still believe his pictures were exploited by the gay community.
Don't revert your anger at me to defend your sexuality, hey i'm cool with he/she's, gays, whatever.
At any rate, Brandon should be made a lesson of, to teach other kids such as Larry to stop flonting their stuff. and that there could be dire consequences to such consequences. Unfortunately.

Posted by opns on August 14, 2008 at 12:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

meatball - my my, such vulgarity, is this what is taught in the gay community? Keep flaunting it, I've seen how its been flaunted in the community, open your eyes, it looks discusting. But hey i could care less, it just shows how much Larry is being kicked down while he's gone. So Sad for you. So sad for Larry, that he had to die like this. Why don't people in this community show some class instead of always saying your picked on.
(You flaunt ugly, you get looked at accordingly).

Posted by opns on August 14, 2008 at 1:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Must of hit a nerve meatball - no one said you weren't educated. I didn't say you all should stay in the closet, don't put words in my mouth, all i'm saying is that - Look at what happened to poor Larry - don't sling your anger at me. I'm just pointing out that many people are not ready for it. Yeah, I know you ain't going away. It's been around since BC.
But you are so attacking and defensive. Just listen to your anger, you think everyone of the religious and homophotic are nuts, well your wrong again.
You have to much anger to reason with - my word.
I'm done with you.
Just don't slander people without knowing them.
(i'm sorry for the typo meatball) didn't mean to do it. yikes.

Posted by tmh83 on August 14, 2008 at 6:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, this seems to be a place where only edu-ma-cated people can hang out.

Meatball-You do not have to be a scientist or a scholar to know and understand how the gay world works. When I was in college, I knew many people who were against the gay community. And by the way, you can get educated or not, and it will not change what the bible says. Homosexuality played a major role in why sodom and ghomora was distroyed. Just because OPNS has a different opinion of homosexuality than you do does not make her an uneducated bigot!!

OPNS, I share some of your opinions, and some of them I do not. However, I don't know you well enough to call you a bigot and sure do not know your educational background. But maybe you should take a grammer class so that you won't make silly typing and grammer errors.

Getting back to the REAL issue, a life was taken and consequences should be paid.

Posted by Graham on August 15, 2008 at 1:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And it's ridiculous asinine notions like THAT taraym83 that result in the continued hostility toward, discrimination of, and/or violence against gay people that still infects our society. Your insistence on believing as absolute truth your church's interpretation of an ancient book of fables and ancient communities.

You (and most fundamentalist evangelical homophobic Christians) think the story of Sodom is about God destroying a city due to homosexuality. Why? Because two angels disguised as men were visiting Lot, and a mob of angry men pounded on Lot's door and demanded Lot to send the men out so that they could 'know' them (there is still dispute as to whether this had anything to do with sex, but if so it was clearly a case of gang rape - not relations between consenting same gendered adults).

What we do know is that Lot (the only righteous man in Sodom according to God) in order to protect people who he knew to be supernatural angels INSTEAD offered up his two young virgin daughters to the angry mob for them to do with as they pleased. Talk about twisted!

So why do you think it necessary to paint this story as an anti-homosexuality story, when many other Biblical scholars say that this story has to do with inhospitality toward travelers to the city (which was a VERY serious issue in those days when not taking in strangers could mean death to them, and was considered the height of disrespect and rudeness). Why is this story an admonishment against homosexuality and not an admonishment against the attempted gang raping of travelers to the city?

Ezekiel 16:48-50 says:
"Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen."

And yet YOU have been borne false witness to by hateful fundamentalist evangelical preachers into believing this story is about God destroying a city over homosexuality!

The modern view of Sodom being destroyed over homosexuality (or even being a significant reason) has the least historical evidence and precedence for that view.

Why do you think the word 'Sod-my' has morphed over the years from the 17th century when it originally meant 'wickedness' to eventually meaning 'sex outside of missionary position with one's spouse', to now meaning 'homosexual sex'?

It's changed because modern society and those Christian bearers of false witness have slowly tried to deflect the REAL sin of Sodom to which most of them could clearly fall under to only apply to a small minority of people to which they didn't belong.

And YOUR continued scape goating of gay people so that YOU can deflect attention from your presumed minor sins is what is TODAY responsible for the deaths of gay people and Lawrence King.

Posted by Graham on August 15, 2008 at 1:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

" At any rate, Brandon should be made a lesson of, to teach other kids such as Larry to stop flouting their stuff. and that there could be dire consequences to such consequences. Unfortunately." - OPNS

Now THAT is detestable! Here again we see the REAL sin of Sodom in Opns view.

Posted by tmh83 on August 15, 2008 at 10:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lets go back a bit and reread what I actually said. My exact words were "Homosexuality played a major role in why sodom and ghomora was destroyed." I am not denying that other things happened. I am sorry that you do not share my opinion, however, I am not sorry for my faith or for my beliefs. People spend way too much time trying to interpret the bible in their favor.

Graham-"Your insistence on believing as absolute truth your church's interpretation of an ancient book of fables and ancient communities."-Wow, I am so sorry for you and will be praying for you. It is sad to see people so frustrated and angry with their lives.
ventu-mrs.-I think you are right on the money.

I just want to leave you with this:

Leviticus 18:22 (KJV): "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind it is abomination."

Posted by opns on August 15, 2008 at 4:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Grahm and meatball, i really hope i did not offend you. But it appears that I did, i didn't mean for it to come out the way it did. This whole mess with these kids just broke my heart, has broken my heart. And we are all so good at pointing fingers. Please don't hold this against me. I would like to move on in harmony.

Regards

Posted by tmh83 on August 15, 2008 at 5:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

high_society: Why do you think it wasn't common? Because God made ADAM and EVE, he didn't make ADAM and EVAN or EVE AND AVA. You can try to interpret what I said into something else based on a technicality, but you cannot change what the bible says.

Posted by tmh83 on August 16, 2008 at 11:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

high_society:

Being made in God's image means that our bodies are the same. But God also gave us rules to abide by as well as a choice to keep these rules.

"Did it ever occur to people (especially Bible preaching people) that maybe God made gay people to teach you tolerance?" I would love to know where you got that from. Please enlighten me.

"You can't spew Bible phrases then turn around and judge people." I CAN "spew" bible phrases, and I will. But do not misunderstand what I am saying. I have homosexual friends and relatives that i love very much. I would not love them any more or any less if they were not homosexual.

"You can have an opinion on the situation at hand, but you can't point out that you are more righteous than "them" just because you are a straight person." Thank you for your permission to have an opinion. Now please tell me when i said that I am more righteous.

I wish it was easier for people to read the bible and accept it as it is. If you are offended by what it says, don't blame me. The bible was inspired by God, it is not just "some book."

I am in no way perfect. But all I can do is live my life the best way I know possible (the way God wants me to). And I wish the same for everyone else.

Posted by Graham on August 16, 2008 at 2:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well Taraym83 (tmh83), you've clearly exposed what level of mentality you are coming from. It's not even worth trying to make someone with the level of blind ignorance that you posses see the light.

You've clearly decided (like most fundamentalists) that this vast intelligence/force known as God speaks TO other people FOR other people; that he speaks THROUGH other people AT other people, through ancient frightened, unlearned, ignorant, confused and primitive men, for each and every individual’s life for all eternity, AND through self-appointed interpreters of their scribblings who tell YOU what God is saying to you.

Some series of events brought you into your bigoted ignorant fundamentalist lifestyle. You were either born into it, married into it, or some other way found your way to the rigid black-and-white thinking of the fundamentalist, where you are dead sure that homosexuality is universally condemned by God. So sure that it's one of your primary focuses in life, like many fundamentalists. Had circumstances been different you might have been a fundamentalist Muslim, or *gasp* even an open minded thoughtful considerate Unitarian or freethinker.

But no, you're a fanatical fundamentalist Christian who thinks the Bible is the hard and fast word of God, interpreted for you to be God's guide book to you (despite the fact that the Bible makes God out to be one of the most evil, disgusting, reprehensible, petty, jealous, vindictive, hateful beings in literature).

How about REALLY finding God, and realizing that God ONLY speaks TO the individual FOR the individual, and not through anyone else to you, not even through an ancient book of desert scribblings.

But it doesn’t matter Taraymn83, you’re done. It’s over. Keep fighting and gnashing your teeth, but you’ve already lost. You can be ignored, because the momentum of our society (and the world in general) is toward progress and greater enlightenment, understanding, reason, and logic. Gay rights progress has been monumental over the last couple decades and especially over the last 8 years of the 21st century (EVEN while under Bush and Republican rule). It won’t be long before full equality and societal acceptance is achieved. Sure there’ll be additional bumps in the road like you Taramn83, but you’re getting fewer and farther between.

Yes, terrible tragedies like Lawrence King’s murder will result as the fundamentalist fanatics realize their hateful, bigoted, ignorant views are becoming less and less acceptable and are putting them in the same league as the KKK; however that is sometimes the price of progress. Furtherance of LGBT equal rights and societal acceptance will, in part, be Larry’s legacy and is the BEST way to honor his life and memory.

You Taraym83 will be in the history books with the rest of the bigots of a bygone era of fear and ignorance.

Posted by Graham on August 16, 2008 at 2:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hello high-society,

Actually many Biblical Scholars say the Hebrew word (sometimes interpreted into English translations of the Bible as 'abomination') meant a ritualistic impurity. These were specific codes for the temple priests to follow and did not apply to the laity.

Leviticus has many of these ritualistic impurities (the holiness or priestly code), for instance rules for animal sacrifice and not eating shellfish, almost all of which are no longer abided by in modern day religious practice.

Much of the Bible's Levitical law is not only no longer followed in modern society, but would in fact be considered serious criminal activity if it were (e.g. Owning slaves, killing insolent children, etc...)

So, yes... it's actually laughable when Christian fundamentalists like Taraym, call upon Leviticus to condemn gay people, because chances are (hopefully) that he/she is not following MOST of those laws.

Posted by tmh83 on August 16, 2008 at 10:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

high_society and Graham,
I see that my faith and beliefs (as well as all conservatives faith and beliefs) have offended you. That is unfortunate. And no, high_society, I don't pick rocks to cast, I dodge the ones that come from people like you and Graham who have no faith in God.

You can hate me for the person that I am and for the beliefs that I have. But it has all rolled right off my shoulder because my relationship with God is too strong to let minor comments like those upset me.

I must thank you both. You have both proven what has been predicted in the bible.
"It won’t be long before full equality and societal acceptance is achieved. Sure there’ll be additional bumps in the road like you Taramn83, but you’re getting fewer and farther between." You are absolutely right. I could not agree with you more. God told us that that would happen in the New Testament. Evil and sin would consume the world with drugs, murder, theft, and YES sexual impurities. But the christians are to keep their faith and stand up for God. In the end, we will have a great reward in Heaven.

You both should read the New Testament some time. Especially Romans and Revalation. You could learn a lot.
Anyways, I realize that I have upset the both of you, which was not my intention. My intention was to share my opinion about the unfortunate events that took place with Larry King. Which, by the way, I hope Brandon gets the book thrown at him for the evilness that he has done.

I am sorry to hear how hateful the two of you feel toward God. God has blessed my life in so many different ways and I have everything to be grateful for. And I know that if you look hard enough, you will see that He is blessing your life too. Life is a gift from God, not something that we are owed. And, yes Graham, God is a jealous God. He created the world and everything in it and here we go worshiping idols. But the God that I know is in no way disgusting, evil, reprehensible, petty, vindictive, or hateful.

At any rate, I wish the best for you both and will continue to pray for you. I truely have to thank you both. My faith and beliefs have never been stronger than they are now. Thank you for proving to me what I already knew.
Have a great night!! :)

Posted by opns on August 17, 2008 at 4:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

tmh83 -
It is very good to hear that you have your convictions in God. Many do not - therefore, we see the repercussions such as Brandon and Larry, killings, bully in every which form. I believe parents should not only be teaching their children to read and try to understand the bible - which in turn does give you tolerance, very strong tolerance.
I was encouraged by your knowledge and the stance you take and do not budge from. There should be more icons such as yourself in public (parents) to make a difference in this world instead of spreading hate and intolerance. Parents in the community could learn from you.
Respectfully yours

Posted by tmh83 on August 17, 2008 at 8:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

opns:
Thank you for your support. It is great to know that other people are willing to stand up for God. I fully agree that parents should be teaching children how to read the bible at a young age. If this doesn't happen, when they get older, they are afraid of it. This is very unfortunate.

high_society:
I am so happy to hear that you do not hate God. Thank you for clarifying that.

"We were just pointing out the irony of the lack of tolerance you have for people and how much hate you have towards others." I am sorry that you feel that way. Maybe you forgot when I said that I have many homosexual friends and family members that I love very much and would not trade for the world. Even if I met you in person, I would not judge you or hate you for your lifestyle. To each his own. I was mearly stating what the bible says. I do not dislike you any more or less because of your beliefs. That would not be the christian thing to do.

God Bless

Posted by Graham on August 17, 2008 at 8:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No tmh32 (Taraym83) you have demonstrated the great evil which infects the fundamentalist mindset and which has perpetrated terrible evils throughout history and into today. You do not know God, nor do you behave or act in God’s favor. You’ve rejected God for the trappings of your fundamentalist religious beliefs and the shackles of a book written by primitive, flawed, ignorant, fearful men; then altered, parsed, cherry-picked, and interpreted for you by modern-day, flawed, ignorant, fearful men.

Yes, the God that YOU believe in, the God that you serve, the one that IS described in the Bible as everything that I previously stated, does not exist. Have you read the Bible? No, THAT you leave for the one’s you consider as the authorities on that book and on God; when in actuality God’s will for each and every one of us resides ONLY in one’s own heart. Your religion is a tool of evil designed to take you away from God and remove God from your heart. You do not hear God because anything that God would try to say to you, for your life, that might contradict what your preachers and your beloved charlatan book tell you will be summarily discarded by you.

If you DID know and understand God, then you would know that he speaks to you for you; NOT to anyone else for you, and NOT through any one imperfect man written book to you. But you have allowed your religion to steal God from your heart and mind, and you’ve allowed it to use you as an instrument of hate, turmoil, trouble, bigotry, discrimination, pain, and suffering in the lives of others.

No this is not about the individual gay person you harm with the beliefs and actions that you perpetuate. This is about gay people’s families, friends, loved ones, neighbors, community members, and society that your actions in combination with the others who follow your anti-God ways cause grave harm to. A stark example of this infestation of your anti-God religious beliefs and organizations into our society is the murder of Lawrence King (not to mention thousands of years of ignorance, bigotry, fear, and hatred induced pain, suffering, death, and destruction throughout all facets of society).

No I don’t hate God, but YES I hate YOUR God, because your God is NOT God. The God you worship, the one perpetuating continued pain and suffering in the lives of real living people, the God described within the Bible (and Torah and Quran) *IS* a reprehensible, hateful, evil, narrow, small, petty, jealous, vindictive, genocidal, homicidal, and deceitful being. Read the book for yourself if you doubt otherwise.

I’m sorry if that offends you, but the truth is in the fruits, and the fruits of your and all fundamentalist religious beliefs are ALL around us from Lawrence King to 9/11 to slavery to misogyny to environmental misuse and to future pain, suffering, and calamities resulting as the direct and indirect consequences of fundamentalist religion’s past and continued furtherance of ignorance and bigotry.

Posted by opns on August 18, 2008 at 1:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A very wise and dear lady me always reminded me - because everybody feels and thinks differently, then pray like this:

"God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference".

In light of the most recent aweful crimes, please join me with this prayer.

Posted by tmh83 on August 18, 2008 at 11:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Dear Graham,
Your insistence of me being a hateful, anti-God, "bigot", seems to make you feel better about your lifestyle. Every person has a right to make their own lifestyle choices. And like I told high_society, to each his own.

So since we will never make each other understand where we are coming from, and everything that I say keeps upsetting you (which was not my intention), lets just agree to disagree. You have your beliefs, and I have mine.

And don't worry, I am not offended by what you have said. I can see your anger and frustrations and I wish you well. I will continue to pray for you.

To all of the other Christians out there who feel like the minority:

It's okay. Yes, we are the minority. But this is what God has warned us about. What a loving God we have. He has warned us about the evilness that will come about, that which is happening before our eyes. He wants us to be prepared. And remember, we have eternal life coming. Keep the faith everyone. God loves you and has a special plan for you. Do not let the evil words and actions of people sway your heart. Stand strong.

Romans 1:21-32

21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Posted by venturan15 on August 18, 2008 at 11:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

tmh83, you stand strong, you are completely correct, and you will be rewarded in heaven. This is a quote from the web page “The origin of AIDS and HIV and the first cases of AIDS”;

"HIV is a lentivirus, and like all viruses of this type, it attacks the immune system. Lentiviruses are in turn part of a larger group of viruses known as retroviruses. The name 'lentivirus' literally means 'slow virus' because they take such a long time to produce any adverse effects in the body. They have been found in a number of different animals, including cats, sheep, horses and cattle. However, the most interesting lentivirus in terms of the investigation into the origins of HIV is the Simian Immunodeficiency Virus (SIV) that affects monkeys."

So this tells us all what Graham and all his fellow supporters are doing with there pets. Combine this with parades, bath houses and immoral actions seen daily in our society and you know the bible is coming true. The bible has stood the test of time and people like Graham just can't stand it.

tmh83, stand strong, again your heavenly rewards will be great and everlasting. You have everything in this world to be proud off, and God truly blesses people like you. The only recourse Graham and his supporters have, is to say you are not educated, you don't read your bible, you are not as smart as them. tmh83, you are right to pray for them. By your postings I not only know you read your bible, but that you are educated in it. Praise the Lord. tmh83 you are close to the kingdom of heaven, stand strong. Don't let any reprehensible, hateful, evil, narrow-minded, small, petty, jealous, vindictive, genocidal, homicidal, and deceitful person, homosexual, pedophile and the like sway you one bit. All we can do is pray for them, which God will have pity on their souls. tmh83, I am sorry that through out your discussion in this post that all graham and his fellow supporters can do is revert to calling you names. In the end you will win tmh83, God says so. And, tmh83, I Love the God you serve.

tmh83, I wish the best for you.

Posted by tmh83 on August 18, 2008 at 12:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you venturan15, your support means a lot. Join me in prayer for the non-believers. God works miracles every day.

Posted by Graham on August 18, 2008 at 11:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No tmh83, I have reality, rationality, the sciences, reason, logic, exploration, discovery, and understanding.

YOU have your delusions fostered by, and reinforced by, people like venturan15. I live in a reality where THIS life is important and where THIS world is important. You're busy trying to please your deluded conception of God in order to be entitled to some 'better' after-life, and in fear of being cast by this oh-so-loving God of your's into a lake of fire to be tormented and tortured for all eternity. Sad.

You don't know the first thing about my "lifestyle", other than I don't abide by your fantasies. In fact you've made assumptions about me based solely on my defense of gay people here, and furthermore you've made broad based assumptions about gay people that are FAR from reality.

I can tell you ONE thing that science has informed us on. It's that the most religiously fundamentalist homophobes who spend inordinate amounts of time in discussions on gay rights issues, who are hyper focused on 'saving' gay people, and who fight tooth-and-nail against gay rights, are often highly repressed homosexuals, who have so much invested in their religious beliefs and their homphobia that they are terribly threatened by gay rights and gay people who are out and open.

You're being imprisoned and damned tmh83, and people like venturan15 are making sure you stay that way. There are those who have a vested interest in keeping you placated and ignorant through fundamentalist religious beliefs. You've been used and abused too long tmh83. Break free. There ARE many VERY good people and organizations that are effecting real good in the lives of real people and in this world to make it a better place now and into the LONG future of humanity on this planet. Don't let the charlatans not only take you away from God, but take away your life, your country, and your world.

Being gay is NOT a choice. Being yourself, and living a REAL life in the REAL world, is your choice. You can be a good, decent, honorable, caring, giving, loving person, in fact you can be a BETTER person, without fundamentalist right wing religion which only serves to hinder those things, or give you some illusion of them at the expense of others.

Posted by venturan15 on August 19, 2008 at 7:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

tmh83, I must commend you, you have this Graham really shaking, wondering about their own humanity, and now thinking about heaven.

tmh83, your action, your words are from someone filled with the Holy Spirit. You have not attack anyone, you simply state your beliefs. Praise the lord.

Graham, on the other hand, starts out attacking you and that is all they can do. Call you name, come straight out and say they are smarter than you, that their education makes them an authority. Praise the lord tmh83, you are filled with the Holy Spirit and you have planted a seed that will continue to grow in Grahams mind, and through the spirit all is possible, including Grahams salvation, lets continue to pray for them.

tmh83, when someone like graham continues to attack as their only source of recourse, then they are confused, really confused, especially in their own salvation. I wonder if this graham even reads what they write, well, it really does not matter. They do not know how to respond, so they attack you, God and me. Again tmh83, you through the Holy Spirit have planted a seed. Let’s continue to pray for them.

tmh83, since the seed is planted in graham, let’s leave this post, and let the Holy Spirit take it from here. Let’s just pray for everyone involved including you and me. The spirit is working in graham, praise the lord.

tmh83, you are close to the kingdom of heaven and the spirit of the Lord flows freely through you. Continue to stand strong; I know heaven is smiling with you.

Again tmh83, I do not believe grahams can take much more of this because of the battles waging in their mind over the seeds you have planted. Since we really do want to see graham in the kingdom of Heaven, let’s leave this post and let the power of the Holy Spirit work.

tmh83, stand strong, one day we will discuss this on streets of gold.

Posted by tmh83 on August 19, 2008 at 1:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you for your support, venturan15. God is good. I think you are right. The Lord will take it from here. I will look for you in heaven, as well as Graham and high_society. God Bless

Posted by Graham on August 20, 2008 at 12:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Pathetic.

That's right. Run away. That's what you're taught right?

When your indoctrination can't stand up under scrutiny, when your 'faith' is demonstrated to be a source of some of the worst ills of our society and world, when you begin to see the light and realize that all you've mindlessly devoted your life to is wrong, you're instructed to immediately run away.

And whatever you do, DO NOT look back, your delusions COULD be shattered.

Posted by ripley on August 20, 2008 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Graham,
they're pathetic alright. They're stuck in the Dark Ages - and we thought the Crusades were bad! Modern times still has its sickos. They'll never get it - and don't ever expect them to. There's no use in even trying to have a decent conversation with them - they're sick and don't know it.

Posted by mardog on September 2, 2008 at 1:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

the point is that larry king was harrassing this kid. sorry about the loss of life. but i don't care who you are, you have no right to intimidate or patronize other people with your beliefs. you wanna be gay, fine, but don't go around hurting/harrassing other people. i blame the school for encouraging him to harrass the boy, and then claiming "oh we just wanted him to express himself." they need life in prison, not promotions. this kid's (mcinerney) back was up against the wall, and although he did not make the right decision, he did not get the support that the school was obligated to give him, he did not get the support that the school gave larry king. please don't try him as an adult. if he were an adult he would have handled the situation differently. please don't call his actions "gay bashing" see it for what it is. a kid who was being tortured by a gay kid and saw no light at the end of the tunnel. a gay kid who was allowed, encouraged to torture mcinerney instead of being molded into becoming a productive member of society.

Posted by lenny on October 15, 2008 at 8:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm a 55 year old lesbian. I see yes for prop 8 ads on TV, showing a little girl coming home from school telling her mom what she learned today in school...that a prince can marry a prince and a princess can marry a princess.
It puzzles me why people still today find this offensive, for it is part of our human life and experience that has ALWAY been. Yet we are still murdered for this.
Don't most of you agree that if taught early in childhood that homosexuality is OK, and part of our being human this and other tragic killings, like Matthew Shepard would not happen.

No I do not want to see this young man spend the rest of his life in Prison. I would prefer a system that educates. What I see the penal system doing is punitive. It should be obvious to anyone that there is something very wrong with this young man, he needs help.

So lets begin with education and change. Believe me life has not been easy at times as an out lesbian. But reality check to all, that is who and what I am. I've accepted it, now it's up to you.

Posted by hannahmac on October 22, 2008 at 12:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

GOD LOVES GAYS. GOD LOVES EVERYONE. I BET THAT GOD ESPECIALLY LOVED LARRY, BECAUSE HE WAS TRULY A BLESSED PERSON.