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Albino Ramirez and Victor Chavira were together in a car along with Ramirez's wife and young son early Wednesday morning when Chavira allegedly shot the other man dead, authorities said.
The shooting occurred shortly after 4 a.m., authorities said, when the car was apparently parked beside open fields on Lewis Road, just south of Pleasant Valley Road near the edge of Camarillo.
Ventura County Sheriff's deputies responded about 4:10 a.m. to a report of a shooting.
By Wednesday afternoon, Chavira was in custody, and some details of what happened emerged.
Ramirez, 26, of Casitas Springs and his wife knew Chavira, 38, of Oxnard, said Sheriff's spokesman Capt. Ross Bonfiglio. Chavira was traveling with the family when he opened fire from the passenger seat, shooting Albino Ramirez multiple times, Bonfiglio said. It wasn't clear where they were coming from or where they were going.
An autopsy determined Wednesday that Ramirez died from multiple gunshot wounds to the head, according to the Medical Examiner's Office.
Ramirez's younger brother, Miguel, said Chavira was friends with his brother and would sometimes stop by their home. He was shocked when he heard Chavira identified as a suspect.
"I couldn't even believe it," said Miguel, 23. "Why would he turn on my brother like that? I don't know."
Sheriff's officials released limited information Wednesday about a possible motive.
"We believe there is a drug component in the motive," Bonfiglio said. He said Chavira had a large amount of cash on him when he was apprehended, but declined to elaborate further.
Investigators don't believe the crime was gang-related, he said.
The Sheriff's Department publicly identified Chavira as the homicide suspect about six hours after the crime.
Authorities used the newly installed Reverse 911 system to notify residents that Chavira was loose in the area. They use the system in an emergency, notifying residents of danger through a recorded message.
Chavira was arrested at the Conejo Creek Condominiums off Hillcrest Drive near Ventu Park Road in Newbury Park about 12:30 p.m. after an extensive manhunt, said Chief Deputy Chris Godfrey of the Sheriff's Department.
Authorities suspect Chavira ran west from an industrial park in Camarillo into the mountains and to Newbury Park. He was found about four miles west of the industrial park, in the Newbury Park neighborhood just north of Highway 101.
A roughly three-quarter-mile stretch of Lewis Road south of Pleasant Valley Road was closed for more than eight hours as a result of the shooting.
Godfrey said deputies used bloodhounds to track Chavira to the industrial park, then spent Wednesday morning combing that area at Pleasant Valley and Pancho roads. They did not use the dogs to track Chavira to Newbury Park.
Chavira was spotted from the air just before his arrest, Godfrey said, standing in front of a phalanx of reporters and cameras for a news conference Wednesday afternoon. He did not resist arrest, Godfrey said.
Investigators were still trying to learn why Chavira went to Newbury Park, Godfrey said.
At Ramirez's home in Casitas Springs near Ventura, dozens of family members from across the country gathered Wednesday to mourn his loss, his brother said.
He described his older brother as an intelligent, outgoing man who spoke his mind. He was a cosmetics salesman.
The third of six siblings, Ramirez was born in Jalisco, Mexico. He came to the United States as a teen, returned to Mexico to study, then came back to the United States, Miguel said.
Family members called him "Güero," Mexican slang for white boy, because his skin was lighter than some of his relatives, his brother recalled, speaking by telephone from Casitas Springs.
"He liked to play around a lot with the family," Miguel said of his brother. "He was really close to his son and his son was close to him."
On Wednesday afternoon, Miguel was bracing for the moment when his young nephew would ask for his father. "I just look at him and tears start coming out because I know he's going to ask," he said, calling his brother "a great person."
Miguel said his brother was a lifelong salesman who peddled flavored, shaved ices as a young child in Mexico.
Ramirez dreamed of buying a luxury car and a house and giving his son the kind of life he never had, his brother said.
"He grew up with nothing," Miguel said. "He wanted to give a future to his son."
Posted by 3wld1s on August 7, 2008 at 6:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Such a sad story. That 5yr old child will never forget this horrible incident. I hope someone out there can help that child so that he /she can go on and live a semi normal life now. The loudness of that gun and all that poor child saw will stick with him / her always. So sad .
Posted by CommandoAngel on August 7, 2008 at 6:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
A lifelong salesman. Hmm.
Posted by whatever on August 7, 2008 at 6:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I do hope they check Chavira's ID to see if he is a citizen of our country. There is way too many killings being done by those who aren't. San Fransisco has such a situation right now. And if convicted of this horrible crime I hope he receives the death penalty.
Posted by skercevicj on August 7, 2008 at 6:35 a.m.
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Posted by caffeinefree on August 7, 2008 at 7:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Hurry junior pipe in so the fun can begin. I mean a day blogging without you. Can you imagine?
Posted by RebelGal on August 7, 2008 at 7:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Why haven't we heared from the wife and kid????
Posted by kelly13 on August 7, 2008 at 7:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"He was really close to his son and his son was close to him".....
At 4 am in a car with a drug dealer????
Maybe some distance would have been better.
"He wanted to give his son a future"....
Instead he gave him nightmares that will haunt the poor child for the rest of his life.
Sad situation
Posted by imonlysayin on August 7, 2008 at 8:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Hamskid: I thought the same thing. If he loved his family more than he loved himself why would he put them in that situation?
I am very sorry for the family's loss, especially his son.
Posted by imonlysayin on August 7, 2008 at 8:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Junior: I don't know if she had any knowledge of the murder, but she more than likely knew about the drugs.
If that's the case, I hope she's charged with neglect and endangerment.
Posted by Relvd98 on August 7, 2008 at 8:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)
What a tragic situation the child was in, who had to witness this horrific murder. I really feel for him. And mother, you have a lot of explaining to do!
I use Pancho (cross street to Pleasant Valley) road to get to work and it was also closed...a day from work in the middle of the week was good..
Posted by kelly13 on August 7, 2008 at 8:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Imonlysayin...you are right about the neglect and endangerment.
Posted by lilmamma on August 7, 2008 at 8:30 a.m.
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Posted by imonlysayin on August 7, 2008 at 8:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I came into this story late yesterday afternoon and while I was reading through the comments, I kept hoping everyone who was speculating drugs was wrong and that the people speculating a tragic encounter were right.
You really do lose compassion for the victims when you find out that it was a situation they could've avoided by making other choices in life.
And now because of the parents negligence, their son has to live with this for the rest of his life. I hope that eventually this little boy can find peace and grow up to become someone his parents weren't.
Posted by ca4ever on August 7, 2008 at 8:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
imonlysayin I disagree with you. Except for the welfare of the child I was praying that this was a drug encounter. This means that it was not a random act of violence and at least it was a bad guy down and not an innocent human being that had done nothing wrong. This child should be taken from the mother for placing it in such danger
Posted by Latina_805 on August 7, 2008 at 8:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
There's only one true victim in all this, and that is the 5 year old boy.
Posted by southcalgirlie on August 7, 2008 at 8:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Victor Chavira had 20,000 in cash when they caught him. I don't think 20K are worth killing your friend or any amount of money.
Posted by seahorseblue on August 7, 2008 at 8:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
WAIT...I don't see any comments from the dude who likes to blame the police for incidents like this.
After all, as he would say, isn't it the police's fault that they were not aware these people were driving around at 4:00am with a 5-year old, $20,000 in cash, and a gun??
Again, as he would say, isn't it the police's fault that they should have known the vehicle was at the side of the road at this time of the morning and thus could have prevented this shooting??
Posted by Mamie on August 7, 2008 at 8:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Note that the only mention of any employment is of the 'victim' as a young person back in Mexico selling stuff on the streets to other children. I'd like to know what jobs, if any, all the adults were employed at. The mention of a large sum of cash found on the suspect is too much of a hint at nothing but bad stuff going on.
That the child was a witness is horrid, but if the parents are engaged in nefarious activities and surround the kid with other criminal elements and individuals then this kid didn't have a prayer to start with. I actually see this as a huge opportunity for the child if he is removed from the surviving parent and placed in an adoptive home - NOT his surviving relatives who granted approval of the parent's activities with their non action.
Kid might have been truly loved, but people like this usually love the best that they can and it isn't always good loving that they express.
Plenty of kids are exposed to extreme violence and witness the death of parents, hope that this one comes out on the positive side and never follows his family's footsteps. Plenty of kids do better than their parents, it's what we all wish for and strive to help them achieve.
Posted by southcalgirlie on August 7, 2008 at 8:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Junior the article quoted the brother
"Ramirez's younger brother, Miguel, said Chavira was friends with his brother and would sometimes stop by their home. He was shocked when he heard Chavira identified as a suspect."
Posted by freethought on August 7, 2008 at 8:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
seahorseblue - I forgot that poster's name, but he was banned months ago.
Posted by BeaHappi on August 7, 2008 at 8:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Why is it that when one of these guys dies their family talks about what a great person they were?
Does a great person engage in drug dealings?
Does a great person involve his wife and son?
Very nice that most likely Mr. Ramirez' decisions resulted in his son witnessing his murder. Now that little guy will have to live with that for the rest of his life.
"Cosmetics Salesman" - yeah right...I wonder what kind of powder he sold.
Posted by imonlysayin on August 7, 2008 at 8:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Mamie: The person who was killed...it says in the article, he was a cosmetics salesman.
Posted by Mamie on August 7, 2008 at 9:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
BeaHappi
You mentioned cosmetic salesman? Where did you get that and which one of them sold cosmetics? Heck, what brand of cosmetics too if it was Chivera 'cuz it sure doesn't look like the products did much for him!
Posted by Relvd98 on August 7, 2008 at 9:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"He described his older brother as an intelligent, outgoing man who spoke his mind. He was a cosmetics salesman."
Posted by BeaHappi on August 7, 2008 at 9:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Mamie - it's in the article...
Posted by Mamie on August 7, 2008 at 9:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I found the mention of cosmetics salesman, don't think much of it though since they didn't say he worked for a company or used a workplace site to describe his employment.
Men selling cosmetics? Sounds like more vehicle oil being passed off as Botox to me....
I've spent enough time in Central American countries to know that their cosmetics are highly questionable and completely unlicensed. They've got enough diet aids to make you ponder why the majority of the population is so overweight with all the "help" being advertised.
Posted by ca4ever on August 7, 2008 at 9:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Do people ever read the article before posting? It states in the article that the dead man was a cosemtic salesman. Powder your nose was good juniormafia
Posted by sunnbear on August 7, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Mamie, Here's one sentence from the article.
'He described his older brother as an intelligent, outgoing man who spoke his mind. He was a cosmetics salesman.'
Apparantly, Ramirez was a cosmetics salesman.
Posted by sunnbear on August 7, 2008 at 9:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Cool. Everyone agrees. Cosmetics. Yeah, right.
Posted by seahorseblue on August 7, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"Who's the guy that blames everything on Police? I didn't know we had one of those..."
Reference the stabbing of Jose Castro at a Camarillo house party early morning of Sunday, July 13.
Posted by hotwildflower on August 7, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm no authority on drugs...but if this guy was a friend and ended up killing this guy...I am guessing it was related to meth!
Meth is the devil. We need to legalize MJ, tax it and use the money to fund some serious drug task forces to eliminate this horrible drug (and others) from our streets!
Posted by imonlysayin on August 7, 2008 at 9:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Mamie: What's wrong with men selling cosmetics? If he had been a straight arrow and not a drug addict/dealer, you'd be saying what a shame it was that someone who was doing everything he could to provide for his young family to die like this.
Posted by FedUp on August 7, 2008 at 9:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"There's only one true victim in all this, and that is the 5 year old boy."
yep. poor kid. although, if his dad was as dirty as everyone (including myself) perhaps he is better off without that "father" figure in his life.
It sounds like these were lifelong petty criminals, who came upon an opportunity to make a lot of money selling, or trafficking drugs. $20k might not seem like a lot, but when you make a living off of selling lipstick and stolen cars, $20k can make a lot of people do stupid things.
Posted by Mamie on August 7, 2008 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Cosmetics Salesman just seems like another way to describe MethFace Syndrome
Posted by FedUp on August 7, 2008 at 9:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
oops. edit:
if his dad was as dirty as everyone THINKS (including myself)
Posted by BeaHappi on August 7, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
FedUp...LOL, thanks for the clarification! I thought "oh no FedUp, not you too!"
Posted by Latina_805 on August 7, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
LOL FedUp ... a simple word can make a lot of difference.
Posted by Mamie on August 7, 2008 at 9:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
imonlysayin, I didn't categorize all men selling cosmetics were bad so don't tag me with that one. I did attempt to portray the brother's statement as questionable being that there was no company or even product mentioned.
Men selling cosmetics? Yeah, the machismo mentality doesn't really sit with that to start with and I don't think that I'd buy something from someone who doesn't use that product themselves to be able to represent it properly. Now we've just opened up a whole new can of worms....
Again, the latin marketplace does not have the oversight authorities in place that our country insists upon. It could be that he was selling cosmetics, but it wasn't a licensed and approved product for sale legally in the USA?
I really wouldn't be all sad and broken up for the guy in your hypothesis, and there are lots of scenarios that COULD have happened, but let's deal with the 4am time slot to define what jobs are out there which you'd expose your wife and kid to as well?!
Posted by getreal on August 7, 2008 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
If this family was up to no good (4am!) with a small child I think the mother has no right to keep custody of her little boy and possibly put him in this situation again. He should have been home, asleep. Not witnessing his father being murdered.
Posted by SoSad on August 7, 2008 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm sorry for the child that he had to experience this.
Posted by thetruthdotcom on August 7, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
my heart goes out to the little boy. IF the mother had something to do with the drug buy, murder, an affair, etc, i hope she goes down with Chavira.
Posted by cwilson1 on August 7, 2008 at 10:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I have to asked the question, why was this little boy out with them at 4:00 in the morning? I can only hope as time goes by there will be a good answer to this question. This is such a tragedy!! There is not a Drug in the world that is worth Hurting a Child!
Posted by Latina_805 on August 7, 2008 at 10:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Although I do agree with the idea that it was drug related. I still don't understand why a mother would put her child in danger like that. Maybe there is another reason why Chavira had such a large amount of money other than drugs.
Posted by sunnbear on August 7, 2008 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Freudian slip, FedUp?
Posted by FedUp on August 7, 2008 at 10:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
people put their kids lives at stake all the time, for the drug experience. whether it is crack moms, drunk moms, etc. People use their babies diapers to traffick drugs. they use the baby as a decoy. pretty sad what people will do with their kids.
and even more sad, none of it even surprises me anymore.
Posted by clementine on August 7, 2008 at 11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Didn't he have to get up early the next morning to go to work selling cosmetics - or was it on the internet?
Posted by stave1 on August 7, 2008 at 11:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Gee, I hope Resident805 isn't one of the keystone cops.
Yesterday I said, that the killer started out with them. I bet the wife and child were hostages. Hence, they were in the back seat...This will all come out in court but the lawyers probably don't want to give too much info up front. Jr you had your finger on the pulse early on... I enjoy the bantering it is fun.
Posted by HELLBENT2 on August 7, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
(JUST A THOUGHT) MAYBE THE MOM PAID THE GUY TO KILL HER HUSBAND AND THATS WHERE THE MONEY CAME FROM.
Posted by FedUp on August 7, 2008 at 12:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
hellbent could be on to something. except for the part about having any money to pay him off with. $20k is probably a lot nowadays for a low level hit. you could probably find someone to do it for as little as $5k in ventura county.
I seriously watch too much dateline.
Posted by NightLight on August 7, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"We believe there is a drug component in the motive." I believe this is the only mention of drugs in the article, yet many of the commenters on this article have the murder victim convicted of drug charges already. It could be that the killer was involved with drugs and the victim wasn't - maybe the victim discovered what his friend was into and wanted to either turn him in or talk him out of it, maybe the killer needed a ride to a drug deal and his friend agreed to give him a ride not knowing why he needed it, there are lots of reasons a "drug component" could be suspected without convicting the victim of being in on it, much less the wife. There are also lots of possible reasons the whole family was in the car at the time other than that they were all in on it. Why is it that so many people are so quick to assume the worst without waiting for all the facts to be discovered?
Posted by FedUp on August 7, 2008 at 12:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I know JM. I was just playing along with hellbent. I definitely think it is a drug "deal" gone bad. this is why petty thiefs should stay in their own industry. leave the drug dealing to the pros.
Posted by spulido805 on August 7, 2008 at 12:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hello all,
This has nothing to do with this story but there has been shots fired again on alexander. Swat team and local police department are there now investigating the scene..Alexander and Napoleon
Posted by spulido805 on August 7, 2008 at 12:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I guess it should be on the news or posted tomorrow
Posted by Relvd98 on August 7, 2008 at 1:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Alexander and Napoleon you say? I use to live so close to those streets...oh boy.
Posted by spulido805 on August 7, 2008 at 1:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yup, That is crazy. This has been going on for weeks now. The man that was shot this last Monday well they came back and broke all the windows and now they want to finish what they started. What is Oxnard becoming?????
Posted by oxnard_resident on August 7, 2008 at 1:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Im with Nightlight, did it ever occur to anyone that they were in the middle of no where, also known as the work place for many immigrants. I don't believe that the dad was involved. If anything I'm pretty sure that Chavira was under the influence and Ramirez and his family were just victims.
Posted by NightLight on August 7, 2008 at 1:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I know, juniormafia, and I agree the turning him in scenario is really unlikely! But to be honest it seems just as unlikely to me that even if the victim and killer were engaged in a drug deal, the victim would bring his wife and child along; and even if the victim and his wife were in it together, why would she need to come along, especially if she was going to bring the child? The whole thing just seems really weird!
Posted by Mamie on August 7, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
oxnard_resident: Your statement then leads us to the question "if it is known as the work place for many immigrants and they were there under work circumstances then why aren't there more witnesses to this shooting and why did it take so long to locate the suspect?" If I witnessed such an event I'd certainly want to provide information in order to get that killer off the streets and endangering my family, neighbors and friends who would be at risk. It also doesn't really hold that they would have bundled up the 5 year old and taken him to work with them to subject him to such conditions.
I'm leaning towards the killer being in a bad state of mind from drugs or combination of substances and possibly targeting the family for unknown reasons. After all, it could have been a threatening situation by a drugged out fool and the gun just went off accidently...can't you hear his defense lawyer trying that on for size as he poses in front of his mirror?
Posted by oxnard_resident on August 7, 2008 at 1:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OK Junior, you have a point. But, I don't know maybe Chavira was at their house and forced the family to go with him. I just don't see how the mom and child would be involved
Posted by Comments on August 7, 2008 at 1:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What a terrible tragedy. I'm so very sorry for this little boy - my heart absolutely aches for him. And, my condolences also go out to the wife and rest of the family. I have no idea if the wife was involved or not and don't care to speculate. No matter what she saw her husband shot and killed. There could be so many innocent reasons as to why there were in the car together at that time. And while it may seem clear to some that she was complicit I'll wait for the facts to be revealed before I condemn her.
Posted by oxnard_resident on August 7, 2008 at 1:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Regardless of the reasons why, and how. I just hope the poor child can get the help of a good psychologist. He is at an age where he Understands Whats going on. He also needs the support of his family.
Posted by jesscuz on August 7, 2008 at 1:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The report said it may have been a drug deal so it is a posibility that police may be wrong. I personnelly think it sounds like one. I also think that no matter what the guy was either cosmetic sales or drug sales it shouldn't mean it's ok to murder anyone at anytime. This man that killed that guy should be ashamed not just for the murder but to have murdered him in front of his wife and child. What happen to the ethics code? If this idiot thought he had a reason to kill this other man when he got into the car and saw that he had his wife and child with him he should have made another plan. What ever happened to not in front of women and children. What a dispicable man. What stoped the man from killing the whole family as to not leaving any witnesses, thank god he had enough sense or heart not to harm them. Regardless of what anyone was doing no one deserves to be murdered or have to be a witness to one. I wonder who's idea it was to go to the middle of no where they could have done a drug deal any place. I also am wondering who's money was it from the begining the murder's or the victims. I think the police should put that money in some kinda savings for that poor child so that he can have it once he reaches a certain age.
Posted by hotwildflower on August 7, 2008 at 2:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ethics code? Drug dealers have that too? Wonder if they have to submit 8 hours of continuing education for that as well...good thing I am not alone with having to take these tests!
Posted by FedUp on August 7, 2008 at 2:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
the code of not harming woman and children went out the door a long, long time ago. "Ethics" code. HAHA!
Posted by Truth_Hurts on August 7, 2008 at 2:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Speaking as a former Meth Addict...there is no limit to what man woman or child will do when they need to get their fix.
That being said, there is no question in my mind that this incident was absolutely drug related. And yes THE ONLY victim here...was the kid.
ANY person responsible for the care of a child would not, in their right mind, go for a spin at 4 am with a child in tow.
It's a pity that things like this happen, it's a pity that people like this have children.
I hope that they nail the guy for murder and then check his papers before they pack him into our jail to serve his time, and I hope that they fully investigate the mother and find out just why exactly she and her child were even there. And hit her with endangerment, if for nothing else than to wake her up about what's important
Posted by BigJake on August 7, 2008 at 2:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Nothing good happens after midnight out on the roads.
Posted by rebel123 on August 7, 2008 at 3:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Sure is a whole lot of assumptions and suppositions being posted here that lack any kind of back up from the information presented. How about we all wait until we know the facts before we decide what went down?
Posted by lilmamma on August 7, 2008 at 4:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
My comment was removed hmmmm...u cant be honest on here!! These two murders are missing huge parts of the story. Did a drug deal go bad? Did someone owe someone money??These two men were more than likely associates and not friends.There will probably be more arrest and charges as this is investigated. A boy has lost his father and I hope the family gets counseling for the young boy.
Posted by ridsbabe on August 7, 2008 at 6:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
there were 50 or so cops & citizen patrol walking along Pleasant Valley Road near Pancho as I left work today around 4:30pm...all looking into the grass and ditches on the sides of the road as well as the little divider...wonder if it's related and what they were looking for...
Posted by JohnAlamillo on August 7, 2008 at 6:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Any Oxnard folks going to chime in on the unification story. This proposal will harm your kids education as well as Camarillo's.
OK, back to the Murder She Wrote.
Posted by JohnAlamillo on August 7, 2008 at 6:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
http://www.venturacountystar.com/news...
The link.
Posted by ironwoman on August 7, 2008 at 8:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
high_society- Calling people names again? I suggest you read the rules. This is the second article that you mention me today. SCARY.
Juniormafia- My neighbor does daycare and field workers do drop off their kids around 5 am.
Anyway, the poor child to have to see that. Sad. Prayers to the family.
Posted by UjUsTdNtKnW on August 11, 2008 at 3:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Why do u ppl have to be so hard on the mexicans? If it was a white person who committed this crime what would u have said? And besides the point if u ppl want them to close the borders then the americans would have to work the hard labor indrustry and i really think the white ppl will not do that type of work, as much as u ppl want the mexicans to stop croosing the borders then u americans need to stop going to there country when u wana go on a vacation!!!!! No body knows what really happened maybe they were forced to leave there home at gun point at 4am, maybe they were good friends just maybe the wife had something to do with what happend to her husband NO BODY KNOWS WHAT REALLY HAPPEND!! So stop judgeing what u dont know....Im sorry for what the child had to see GOD IS WITH YOU, and for the familly of the victim GOD BLESS U!!!
Posted by sweet_girl_805 on August 14, 2008 at 1:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Hello to everyone commenting on this article i hope im not to late to answer to some of your questions... well first of all one of my family member is very close to the victims family and what my family member said was that the victim his wife, the llil boy and the killer were in the suv because they had gone to San Diego toguether and they were coming back from there trip!! so then the wife wanted to pee (shes pregnant) so she couldn't wait so she told the husband to stop..thats why they stopped in the middle of nowhere so that she "could pee" oh and for the relief of everyone the little boy was asleep thru out the whole horrible thing!! thank god so he doesnt remember anything he doesnt even know his daddy is dead he still asking for him!
well i hope you guys get to read this... cause i see everyone is mostly concern about the little boy i would be too if i didnt know the story!
Posted by live_for_purpose on August 22, 2008 at 2:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This article has a big error in it. He would have fled EAST (not WEST) from the intersection of Lewis and Pleasant Valley to the intersection of Pleasant Valley and Pancho Rd. Look at a map! It is due East, not WEST!!!!
This is the typical trash that we are allowing to invade our country.
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