Posted by bray on August 5, 2008 at 11:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Whitney said, adding "we hire people of character and integrity to serve our community."

i.e. Officer Polo, Brisslinger, and Perez.

If this is character and integrity, I good a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.

Posted by Relvd98 on August 5, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"The Oxnard Police Department takes these accusations very seriously," Whitney said, adding "we hire people of character and integrity to serve our community."

Indeed, as the motto says..."To protect (your money, that is) and to serve (it myself, that is)".

Posted by smithjc on August 5, 2008 at 11:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

all police departments hire from the human race. they strive to get the best, but sometimes all the intensive screening still lets an alleged less than honest person through.

Posted by Blizzy on August 5, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Innocent until proven guilty.

Posted by rebel123 on August 5, 2008 at 11:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The very nature of the job will attract a certain number of power hungry immoral individuals. It is not an indictment of the entire force. The fact that the are not covering it up speaks well for the department.

Posted by LivinInPoorMansPV on August 5, 2008 at 11:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Really gaud forbid that someone lied on there back ground investigation, or a Dr was paid off to pass someone on there pysch eval...that never happens, HA!

Posted by missing805 on August 5, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Rebel123, I agree with you, Mr Nevagitve poster BRAY, names 4 people, out of over a hundred. And if these 4 came to life, than good for the OPD.

Posted by Relvd98 on August 5, 2008 at 11:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sheesh, I was just kidding, maybe I should've stated that in my post. Don't count all the apples bad because of one, right?

Posted by slkrchck on August 5, 2008 at 11:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

it's a good thing.............we need to see that these folks are human. we can't excuse this behaviorand we shall hold sworn officers to a higher standard, but must we act so shocked when we realize they are indeed fallible?

we've got people leading people. it's a human government, folks. did you realy expect anything more?

Posted by bray on August 5, 2008 at 12:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

4 out of 100 is unacceptable.

Imagine if 4 out of 100 doctors failed at their job. Would you feel safe at the hospital?

How can the city accept 4 out of 100 bad cops that have been in trouble within the past year.

Posted by SCfan01 on August 5, 2008 at 12:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

FYI Bray

4 out of 100 doctors do fail at their jobs

Posted by FedUp on August 5, 2008 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Imagine if 4 out of 100 doctors failed at their job. Would you feel safe at the hospital?"

if only that number was that low. based on the number of malpractice suits, it is probably around 50 out of 100 who fail at their jobs!

a few bad cops is normal for every city. especially when they are dealing with the garbage they deal with every day in Oxnard. It can change a persons outlook on life, and it can change the person they were.

get over it all you cop haters out there.

Posted by Relvd98 on August 5, 2008 at 12:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

For real, no "cop hating here"...I'm with you Junior.

Posted by gbrogers on August 5, 2008 at 12:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

4 nails out of 100 nailed down I'm sure there are some moore loose ones.

Posted by bray on August 5, 2008 at 12:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My bad on the doctor analogy, that was just lame.

I would be the first one to call Ox PD if I had a problem or needed help. They do a great job in a very thankless profession.

I just find the quote by Whitney very untimely, considering there have been some high profile corruption within the past year.

Good cops gone bad? Possibly, but you can't say that "we hire people of character and integrity to serve our community." When these stories have highlighted the local newspapers

Posted by espieortega on August 5, 2008 at 12:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well said FedUp.

Posted by IslandHopper on August 5, 2008 at 12:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Doctors do not go to school for that long to intentionally eff up. Malpractice is one thing--baseless lawsuits are another. A person who steals does that intentionally. Not saying the dude is guilty--just putting the 4 out of 100 into perspective.

Posted by BIGMAN on August 5, 2008 at 12:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

All i can say is WOW! Another one bites the dust!..lol hey CAMDAD101 any thoughts?..lol let me guess? the DA office is trying to get the "white" vote back?..lol Patticakes! where u at sista?..lol this is crazy!

Posted by crbrooks78 on August 5, 2008 at 12:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

While there are no excuses for this behavior, OPD is one of the finest group of police officiers I have ever met or worked with as a Citizen of the community. I have sat through their professional standards presentations and it is extrememly thorough. A leopard will never change their spots, but who we were 5 years ago is not who we are today. Some change for the better and for this officier he was unfortunate and just cost himself and his family great humiliation. OPD did what they are supposed to do - took a lead, investiaged and made an arrest where did OPD fail? They didn't. Someone with bad judgement did. And as far as I am concerned, I trust the OPD with my life, my families life and even my purse. Good Bless these officiers for the sacrafices they make everyday for all of us, even those who spit in their faces.

Posted by patticakepatti on August 5, 2008 at 12:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, there's one more shift they can scramble to get the overtime!

Dang, not only is station 3 extremely busy with all the recent major crime activity, but their personnel is dropping like flies!

Posted by yotonto on August 5, 2008 at 1:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

bray,

No one said the city is accepting "4 out of 100".

That came from a poster.

There is NO perfect mechanism by which to judge a persons future performance or moral compass. It just doesn't exist.

People are not robots.

All police departments can do is their level best to test and screen as thoroughly as possible individuals applying for the position of peace officer.

It is an exremely demanding job and gives a person tremendous power over the people in any given city.

This responibility has to be taken seriously, but not without much reservation as to how an individual will perform his or her duty faithfully.

Most do an outstanding job, day in and day out.

Of course, as with any profession with this much responsibility and stress some fall thru the cracks.

It wasn't the fault of the examiners in the initial hiring stages, rather I believe time on the job and misguided thoughts finally changes ones perspective.

I, personally will not pass judgement on this officer, I don't know all the facts, just like know one here posting comments does.

He is still due his constitutional right to the legal process, just like you or I would be.

After all, the next time you need to call someone in an emergency, is it going to be the people that post totally negative comments pretending to have all the answers and making up things just to post for the sake of posting, or are you going to dial 9-1-1?

Posted by BIGMAN on August 5, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Station 3 to Units advise on overtime? shift 1 2 and 3?"...lol

Posted by patticakepatti on August 5, 2008 at 1:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I bet this is humiliating for the family, especially for mom and dad!

Posted by pjlove10 on August 5, 2008 at 1:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LOL!!
That's it. A big giant LOL.

Seriously, I'm happy to hear it. I support my police dept, it's good to hear that seemingly NO ONE is ammune to the LAW.

..."seemingly.."

Posted by NenaLatina30 on August 5, 2008 at 1:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hold on...Let me dial 911 so a officer can come and steal my $13.68 i have left in my purse.....

Posted by patticakepatti on August 5, 2008 at 1:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nena, be careful if you are in Ventura, there's a fee to call that number!

Posted by NenaLatina30 on August 5, 2008 at 1:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i will just call from a payphone.... :-)

Posted by thetruthdotcom on August 5, 2008 at 1:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

wow, another scumbag cop! i'm soooooo shocked. *ends blatant sarcasm*

Posted by moondoggie on August 5, 2008 at 1:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

An Oxnard police officer was arrested at his home Monday night on suspicion of theft.

Officer Matthew Purnell

Does it add anything to the story if he is the son of a Ventura County Judge? Does the Court have a conflict?

Posted by tsetsaf on August 5, 2008 at 1:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Kind of explains why Oxnard itself is such a mess. Reminds me of the Batman premise; citizens are terrorized by crooks who pay off crooked cops. their only savior is Batman. Anybody have a cape?

Posted by patticakepatti on August 5, 2008 at 1:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

hey moondoggie, don't forget about mom!

Posted by BIGMAN on August 5, 2008 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Judge Purnell has another Son who's a Sheriff Deputy and worked as a Bailiff for a while.. I'm pretty sure hes a Deputy still and his name slips my mind for the moment. But Matt must be his brother,its a shame that the badge gives some of these guys the the mindset that they are above the law! what a waist of a good career! Just ask David Matts Former VPD officer who stole dog vitamins at petco while on duty! the price of the vitamins were
$11.99

Posted by B8R_N4MD on August 5, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well said Yotonto. By the way, I believe Oxnard has well over 200 officers, so your 4 in 100 statement is wrong.

Posted by BIGMAN on August 5, 2008 at 2:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think its Mike Purnell btw? I wonder if Mike steals too?

Posted by fungus on August 5, 2008 at 2:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I AM BATMAN

Posted by GWAR on August 5, 2008 at 2:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I do not have a cape, although. I have a black t-shirt with a white skull on it.

Posted by BIGMAN on August 5, 2008 at 2:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

yotonto
Of course we will call 911, not much of a choice ya think? but i think the ratio of getting a very similar person of character in terms of a idiot star poster and an idiot Police Officer is still about 50/50 at this point

Posted by NenaLatina30 on August 5, 2008 at 2:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OMG!!! It's starting to be like Mexico....

Posted by NenaLatina30 on August 5, 2008 at 2:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

POLICIAS LADRONES Y CORUPTOS!!!

Posted by NenaLatina30 on August 5, 2008 at 2:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey wait a sec...Didn't a school aide teacher steal lunch money and got jail time...I bet anything this guy is only going to get a pat in the back....UUUHHHH this just irritates the heck out of me......

Posted by FedUp on August 5, 2008 at 2:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

you are a real BIGMAN to drag the families into this on the internet. real classy.

Posted by patticakepatti on August 5, 2008 at 2:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Being a judge is public knowledge fedup.

Posted by B8R_N4MD on August 5, 2008 at 2:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by NenaLatina30 on August 5, 2008 at 2:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"OMG!!! It's starting to be like Mexico...."

Wow, I didn't know they allow anyone to post their opinions, right, wrong or biased, in newspapers down there. I thought only in America..... :)

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 5, 2008 at 2:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

NenaLatina30: "POLICIAS LADRONES Y CORUPTOS!!!"

That sounds like a novela.

Posted by BabyzDaddy_01 on August 5, 2008 at 2:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

NenaLatina30:

You should change your statement to "OMG!!!It's starting to be like (any country that has a problem with corruption among it's law enforcement ranks)...."

Posted by daugtherofimmigrant on August 5, 2008 at 2:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Blame the parents!! Oh wait he is not a kid anymore huh? Geesh, this would never happen in Santa Paula, get caught that is. :O) LOL!!

Fed up - I Guess Bigman named some family members, just like some people here want parents pictures posted to embarrass them when their kids do something dumb in the community. Not saying it's right. Just saying. Plus I think most of us already had put it together (relation that is) we do live in V.C. where everybody knows practically everybody.

Posted by BIGMAN on August 5, 2008 at 3:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

FEDUP
get over urself.. I didn't drag anyone anywhere, Like u never posted comments about other people on here who committed crimes and their family members.. ur full of it! get off ur high horse and get back to work.. ill say what i want to say.. deal with it

Posted by patticakepatti on August 5, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

lol bigman.....like I said earlier, what about mom???

Posted by NenaLatina30 on August 5, 2008 at 3:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BabyzDaddy_01 sorry :-(

Posted by BIGMAN on August 5, 2008 at 3:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

lol.. u say her name and what she does, lol Ive said enough. ur turn patti, I don't think it matters tho

Posted by patticakepatti on August 5, 2008 at 3:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"What is disturbing is that the public will never hear about the majority of 'incidents' becaue they are dealt with internally and kept on the down-low."

That's why we have blogs!!! lol

bigman, wasn't she the civilian chief???

Posted by FedUp on August 5, 2008 at 3:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was referring to this comment by BIGMAN:

"I think its Mike Purnell btw? I wonder if Mike steals too?"

I am not an idiot. I know his dad being a judge is public knowledge. it was the above comment that was a little out of line. IMO. I only bring up family members, when they are mentioned in the article. I dont drag an entire family down, when there is one bad apple in the bunch.

Posted by BIGMAN on August 5, 2008 at 3:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

it was a legitimate question in my Opinion.. and thats y we have blogs, to post our opinions comments and belief's and anyways.. they way the county law enforcement is heading right now I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Mike didn't end up in the news tomorrow! and patti idk? to be honest

Posted by Iheardthat on August 5, 2008 at 3:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm glad I didn't see a "they should send them back to Mexico" comment. Not all crooks are illegal!

Posted by patticakepatti on August 5, 2008 at 4:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

lol iheardthat, perhaps it has to do with the last name of the officer. "Purnell" isn't a common name in Mexico.

bigman, pretty much ran the place without a badge or gun. An AC would have been totally useless if it wasn't for her!

Posted by PabloE on August 5, 2008 at 4:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

THIS IS NOT JUDGE PURNELL'S SON. JUDGE PURNELL'S SON WORKS FOR VSO AND IS A GOOD COP AND A NICE GUY. THERE IS NO RELATION.

Posted by patticakepatti on August 5, 2008 at 4:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hate to tell you this pabloe, but you're wrong...

Posted by BIGMAN on August 5, 2008 at 4:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

wow.. wonder how she feels about this? patti r u sure Matt and Mike r related? I knew Mike personally many years ago, never met Matt? and I wonder y Camdad101 is sooo quiet on this one?..lol

Posted by patticakepatti on August 5, 2008 at 4:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't know Mike, but I do know Matt's dad is Judge Purnell and his mom worked at another local agency (civilian) for years.

camdad must be out with one of those wild chicks he seems to favor so much!

Posted by peterpan11 on August 5, 2008 at 4:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Patti you have your facts so messed up. OPD Purnell is in no way relation to VSO Purnell or Judge Purnell. Use the computer to take an online class and get an education not blog on the Star website.

Posted by patticakepatti on August 5, 2008 at 5:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I never said he was related to Mike. I don't know Mike.

I do however know for a fact that Matt Purnell's father was a judge, could be retired now. I know these people peterpan, get a life!

Posted by yotonto on August 5, 2008 at 6:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

B8R_N4MD,

"4 out of 100" isn't my number. It was someone else's. I didn't see the need to correct it, since the comment was purely a statistical metaphor.

He/She wasn't referring to how many actual officers are employed at OPD and derived a number from that count.

Get it B8R_N4MD?

Posted by TheTruth on August 5, 2008 at 6:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Matt is NOT the son of a Judge. Have another drink, Patti.

Posted by patticakepatti on August 5, 2008 at 6:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

When I'm wrong, I'm wrong and have no problem admitting it... He is not the son of a judge, I was wrong, he's the son of a commander who works at the local sheriff's department.... and his mother worked for VPD, sister is a dispatcher.......

Posted by patticakepatti on August 5, 2008 at 6:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

patticakepatti bows her head in embarrassment and hopes she never comes in contact with Judge Purnell...

thetruth: not all mistakes are alcohol related.

Posted by CommandoAngel on August 5, 2008 at 7:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"these people really make me pay my taxes! this is one of many, the rest haven't got cought."

See, what happens Caddie, when you don't go to school and learn to read and write, we need more law enforcement because you will certainly get into trouble. Who learned you how to spoke? Bruin?

Seriously people - I have come here and witnessed collective ignorance. It makes me sad...very sad.

Posted by BIGMAN on August 5, 2008 at 8:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Patti, it takes a big person to admit he/she is wrong. Im glad to see you stepped up and admitted your mistake. On that note i wish more of these screwball Officers would be more like Patti.

Posted by Justice357 on August 5, 2008 at 8:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The bad thing about the majority of these comments is that you blast Oxnard for having a corrupt department. How I see it is that Oxnard received a complaint, reviewed the complaint, responded to the complaint, and took action. All you guys want to do is slam the department and use hearsay to tarnish another Deputy who has the same last name and nothing to do with this. Go figure! You all need to get a life.

Posted by BIGMAN on August 5, 2008 at 10:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

justice357
Nobody slammed the Deputy? we thought they were related and thus, I asked a fair question about the possibility of the Deputy being a thief as well? but, we stand corrected and no one is trying to bash OPD? they r making themselves look like crap on their own sir.

Posted by peterpan11 on August 5, 2008 at 11:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

AMEN BEANER!!!!

Posted by peterpan11 on August 5, 2008 at 11:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And that wasnt racist, thats the persons screen name.

Posted by pific on August 6, 2008 at 7:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The department is long overdue for a shakeup. Get rid of the bad apples. Do not star at the bottom but rather at the top. Corrupt cops are not welcome. I agree with the comment" our OPD is starting to look like the cops from Mexico, they are on the take, steal money, beat people, and I do not what else. Are they different the the Chiques???

Posted by patticakepatti on August 6, 2008 at 8:39 a.m.

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Posted by 2wheelsguy on August 6, 2008 at 10:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Every group, entity, and organization has a bad apple or two. Those who trash the OPD because of the actions of this rogue cop are probably folks who have engaged in conduct that resulted in a negative experience with law enforcement; i.e., criminal conduct.

I'm sick of cop bashers; the fine men and women of law enforcement put their lives on the line every day to protect the rest of us from the gangbangers and other trash who would otherwise prey on us as victims. They do this for a lousy salary and undeserved scorn from some of the morons they protect and serve.

Thank you, Oxnard Police Department, for investigating and arresting a dishonest cop and for the daily protection you provide to all of us. You are the true heroes of the community!

Posted by 2wheelsguy on August 6, 2008 at 5:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TheVeracious1:

You're obviously clueless. I'm no cop, and never would be under any circumstances. The job doesn't pay enough, and the risk are huge, not to mention the lack of respect cops have to deal with from folks like you. You're lucky there are folks willing to do the job of cops, as without them, you wouldn't exist.

As for the "issues that are above and beyond that," I'm no mindreader. You'll need to elaborate upon what those "issues" are. If you knew anything, you'd recognize that you need to articulate your thoughts with words, instead of assuming that folks who don't share your irrational perspective can read your mind.

Posted by bbofvta on August 6, 2008 at 6:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It is truly a blessing to have a blog like this so that all of the ignorant cop bashers can talk to themselves freely, but unidentified. Your points and opinions show just how poorly the California public education system is performing.

Cops are like no other group of person. They are in the very small minority that even aspire to that type of job. Yet, some are not well suited for it, and hopefully are found and handled properly before they get to the level of notoriety that the Rampart officers obtained.

Purnell is his own person. His father and mother are their own persons. Each had a career and life and must stand on what they did while employed by the public sector. Why is it at all pertinent whether this officer had parents who worked in law enforcement? I can only imagine how much stupid crap patticake would put on this site if the officer had been named Smith, Jones, Lopez, or any other common name.

OPD has had no more "bad cops" than any other department in the country, when you do the math to find out the percentages. But, I get the idea that they are more willing than most to air their dirty laundry, and to expose their fallen ones to the public than most departments. This should allow the other officers to work with a greater degree of trust from the community.

If this guy is guilty, it appears that OPD will not even think of offering him a free ride. That is all we should expect from our law enforcement agencies! If there is a problem, fix it immediately! OPD does that publicly, so most of you are just b----ing to hear yourselves b---- and see your name in print

Posted by venturanews on August 7, 2008 at 1:03 a.m.

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Posted by Hueneme1961 on August 7, 2008 at 6:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I could care less not like they ever treated me nice.When they bust you they cut you no breaks.I hope they throw the book at him. Just like they did me 20 years ago for taking some beer off a beer truck. Lol yeah i should have been in school that day but we were bored.Swear you would have thought we killed someone.Since they didn't care much about a 17 year old making a mistake. I really don't care for them.The funny part is the cop that busted me in Hueneme was officer Jenks or something. years later he got busted for stealing coke from lock up. Go Figure

Posted by AnnaWhaat on August 7, 2008 at 6:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think the attacks on Patti are a bit much.....
People complain about others complaining about cops yet have no remorse about calling names and putting down someone who has a comment. You may not agree with it BUT the name calling is a bit much.It shows peoples age.......

Posted by patticakepatti on August 7, 2008 at 7:12 a.m.

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Posted by 2wheelsguy on August 7, 2008 at 11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

["Everyone wants to speak about police, however they are important to have on our side"

high_society: I have to disagree with this.]

If you disagree with the necessity for police, then you are very naive. I've had the experience of being in court while some of the folks the police protect us from were being prosecuted. Without police, none of us would be safe.

[high_society: Yes, people make mistakes, but the police are to be held to a higher standard and they CERTAINLY know right from wrong!]

That is true, and our courts do hold police to a higher standard. When they are convicted of crimes, the punishment is rarely light.

high_society, instead of joining those who speak negatively about the OPD which protects you as well as everyone else, why don't you suggest some solutions? What could the OPD realistically do to prevent situations like the one discussed in this story? Could they have handled this situation better? Hired a psychic? What?

Posted by 2wheelsguy on August 7, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

[People complain about others complaining about cops yet have no remorse about calling names and putting down someone who has a comment. You may not agree with it BUT the name calling is a bit much.It shows peoples age.......] -- AnnaWhaat

Anna, with all due respect, engaging in "name-calling" is not indicative of age. Folks of all ages engage in "name-calling."

Posted by readup on August 7, 2008 at 5:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have always taught my kids to respect the law and those that serve to protect us but I am really starting to wonder about our Oxnard PD. I think they need to do some serious investigating and internal audits. My adult daughter was telling me about her friend's younger brother being out (teenagers) and the OPD stopped them and rightfully so they were up to no good. But my concern is the way they handled it and told them that they could rough them up and nothing would happen to them because there were police. I think these OPD officers are getting too big of a head and think they have more power than they do. They need to work within the law and give others reason to respect them.

Posted by jbh on August 7, 2008 at 6:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

what happened to the cops like offcs holmbomb, lawrence, paramo??

Posted by UCSBguy on August 7, 2008 at 6:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i figured the people that complain about cops are the ones who's doing a lot of the crime here in oxnard. Maybe they're hiding some plants under a UV light in their backyard that's why they spit these negatives here.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on August 7, 2008 at 9:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

2wheelsguy , Correct to a point. Even my 73 year old Father may call someone an idiot. But the name used above was childish.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on August 11, 2008 at 3:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And one more thing why is it that everyone wants to know and some say its irrelevent as to the family of the person arrested? Thats why I do not believe that when kids get into trouble that thier families should be brought up into the story. People wanting address's of the family etc. One person above said the most intelligent comment what does the family have to do with it. There is always one bad apple in the bunch. Including families etc.