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Ventura fire inspection fees may be refunded
City inspectors failed to check all smoke alarms at apartments, motels
The Ventura Fire Department is considering refunds to owners of apartment complexes and motels charged for city smoke-alarm inspections that were never completed.
Some 415 property owners were sent bills in 2007, ranging from $220 to $440 depending on the number of units, to cover the cost of the inspections.
Many were not conducted within a year's time, however, because of scheduling conflicts, a lack of manpower and other responsibilities, said the city's chief fire inspector, Glen Albright.
Albright could not say how many inspections were missed.
State law requires smoke detectors to be hard-wired with a back-up battery, or have a 10-year, tamper-proof lithium battery, he said.
"There are some units that were not inspected during the 12-month billing period," he said, "and at this time we are evaluating providing partial to complete refunds."
A decision on the refund should be made within 10 days, he said.
John Dennis, a Ventura real estate broker who owns five apartment complexes in town, said the city has been negligent in charging for a service it hasn't provided.
"To me, this inspection fee was always a revenue grab," he said.
Last week, the Ventura Fire Department became the first in the county to charge a fee — $99 — for weed-abatement inspections, regardless if the property owners comply with brush-clearance laws.
The inspection fee, levied on about 1,200 homeowners near brush-covered areas, angered residents who said they had taken proactive measures to meet weed-clearance requirements and didn't appreciate being charged for a basic city service.
Ventura has also drawn criticism for being the first city in Southern California to charge phone customers a monthly fee for basic 911 emergency service.
Dennis said he paid the city for smoke-alarm inspections last year.
But he only heard from fire officials about scheduling an inspection at one of the three complexes he owned at the time, he said.
This year's bills for each property arrived in February. Again, he has received no phone calls to schedule a walk-through, he said. He complained, but got few answers from the Fire Department, he said.
"They are only doing this (the refunds) because they are reacting to the story" about the new weed-inspection fee, Dennis said.
"If their whole point is to insinuate that people are dying because of faulty smoke detectors, then they should check every detector."
Until the late 1990s, the city conducted annual compliance inspections, but it stopped because of the increased workload on a limited staff.
"The focus was more on the code enforcement portion of the job," Albright said.
Albright said the city reinstituted mandatory inspections last year with the intent of checking every smoke alarm, but it proved difficult because of scheduling conflicts between the inspectors and property owners who possessed keys to each unit.
"Oftentimes, we were playing phone tag with each other," he said. "We were spending more time coordinating an inspection than the time allotted for each inspection."
Instead, the city ended up doing "spot checking" for compliance, Albright said.
The city's three full-time fire inspectors assigned to the program often would show up unannounced, knock on doors, and inspect hallways and rooms where someone would answer and allow them to come inside, he said.
If alarms appeared in compliance, the city would allow property owners to conduct self-inspections of other units despite paying the full fee.
The inspectors have to juggle other time-consuming duties, Albright said, such as inspecting private and public schools, healthcare facilities, and sprinklers and fire-alarm systems in new and renovated structures.
Most property owners paid the fee last year, records show. The city is allowed to collect it to recoup the expense of inspections, under the California Health and Safety Code, Albright said.
The tiered fees were reduced this year, but the goal remains to inspect every alarm, he said. Triplexes and facilities with three to 25 units pay $173, down from $220 last year. Facilities with 26 to 50 units pay $272, down from $330. Facilities with more than 50 units pay $372, down from $440.
About 85 percent of property owners have paid their 2008 bills, according to department records.




Posted by Q_E_Public on April 24, 2008 at 11:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This is what happens when the general populace will not tax its self to pay for the increased cost of service delivery. Now, in the example of the Fire Department they have to leavy fees on just about everything they do to maintain current level of sevice.
Posted by smithjc on April 24, 2008 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
hmmm, not charging for work not done. what a novel concept!
Posted by Q_E_Public on April 24, 2008 at 12:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yes, not charging for work not done because of reduced staffing due the the fact the taxes are not covering the increased cost of hiring people to do the work. There is going to have to be fees imposed and recouped to hire more people to actually do the job at hand. I don't like to admit it but we get alot of services now and have not had taxes increased to cover those services. At some point the govenment is going to have to cut recreation, parks, streets, and other non safety services to pay for police and fire. All due to the fact that every tax measure put before the populace has failed.
Posted by firehd1992 on April 24, 2008 at 7:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Interesting. Refunds for not performing inspections. What is going to be done for these "Administrative Fees" being charged (FD compliance inspections-not conducted) for weed abatement?
1200 individuals should come together to challenge this!
Posted by sparks240 on April 24, 2008 at 8:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Why would a property owner pay the fee before the inspections? Just because a bill arrives, it doesn't mean you have to pay it. The reason the populace won't vote to increase taxes, is because of the massive waste of money that is visible to everyone every day.
Posted by scott on April 25, 2008 at 6:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
the city of ventura has plenty of fire and police staff as iit is now. who says we need more? the fire and police dept. thats how they grow thier budget . get it? more staff more money. stop paying overtime then they would have more money then we would pay lower retirement benifits . get it ? they don't want this to happen . so they use these scare tactics.
Posted by AnnaWhaat on April 25, 2008 at 7:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
They should all get the refund! You can not bill someone for work that was never performed.
Posted by Q_E_Public on April 25, 2008 at 5:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Scott, Your obviously an imbicle. The reason overtime is nessessary is if you eliminate it you have to hire more people to fill in and pay more in benifits. Fire and Police are held to constant staffing (people on duty 24 hours a day 7 days a week). Hence, if a particular officer or firefighter is out sick or on vacation that persons shift has to be covered by SOMEONE. Unlike a janitor who dosent show up for work...Oh well the floor dosent get moped untill the next day... So, if we have to hire someone to fill an occasional day off for every firefighter and police officer in order to eliminate overtime that person will be also collecting costly benefits.
Its cheaper to pay overtime occasionaly than to bring more people on board who will collect retirement, workmans comp, vacation, 401k, health and dental benefits. DUHHHH!
Posted by scott on April 27, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
QE public you obviously work in this field. so stop trying to feed this line of BS to the public.
Posted by scott on April 27, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
the overtime is a scam. the closer you folks get to retirement the more overtime you put in for to increase your very generous pension. that is a fact.
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