Posted by iseepeeple on April 3, 2008 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

After all of the horrible fires we have had in this county recently..you would think the City of Fillmore would buy a clue...

Posted by Terly on April 3, 2008 at 10:43 a.m.

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Posted by lkn4fish on April 3, 2008 at 11:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Great, get ready for all the Fillmore Bashing. Fillmore only sells "Safe & Sane" legal fireworks. With a State Fire Marshall Stamp on them. With that said, they can be used illegally (in grass or brush in the national forest). Alcohol is legal, & look how much death & destruction that causes every year. Should we go after the cities or bars & clubs that provide alcohol to the public? This is only a couple weeks out of the year. Why do people make such a big fuss over selling "legal" fireworks??

Posted by flmrmom on April 3, 2008 at 1:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Terly & lkn4fish, well said!
iseepeeple, if you don't like the fireworks in Fillmore, then stay away!

Posted by iseepeeple on April 3, 2008 at 2:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pffft...why don't you sell avacados and oranges to support your community? Common sense should tell you, you don't let children play with fire.
There is nothing SAFE and SANE about it. Any fire chief would agree...however I suppose you would tell him to shove it in his ear too. Your arrogance pretty much proves that.
Play with fire..get burned. Why don't you Fillmore folks do a little research and learn the facts of how destructive fireworks are..each and very year. Never mind the cost to YOUR city and the cities that surround you who have to foot the bill for extra patrol (both police and fire) who have to take to the streets on the 4th.
YES...you need to buy a clue. I am sure any parent who's child or pet for that matter has been burned by these so called safe and sane fireworks...would not agree with you.

Posted by iseepeeple on April 3, 2008 at 2:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

One more thing I forgot to mention..and any of you can google it for yourself (I know you won't but ignorance is NOT your friend).

"In 2004, sparklers, fountains, and novelties alone accounted for 40% of emergency-room fireworks injuries, including most injuries to pre-school children (ages 4 and under) where the type of fireworks device was specified."

Those Safe n Sane fireworks they are refering to... *hint* sparklers, fountains, and novelties...just sayin'.

Leave the shows to the PROS.

Posted by lkn4fish on April 3, 2008 at 5:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iseepeeple, do your research, most wildfires started by fireworks, are started by "illegal" fireworks. If a 4 year old is injured by fireworks, I'd blame the parents especially at that age.*hint* sparklers are NOT "safe & sane". Again, alcohol causes more grief in this country then fireworks. What's next?? Hhmm??? let's ban "Trick or Treating" on Haloween because so many kids get injured on that night.
If it's that much of an issue for you, take it up with the county, state, feds. Bashing Fillmore will not change anything!

Posted by iseepeeple on April 3, 2008 at 7:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

IKN4FISH
HA...I tried to take it up with members of your City Counsel..and got the same silly reasoning you are throwing out there to me. And if you are telling me that sparklers are NOT safe n sane..then someone needs to take another look at what YOUR very own fireworks booths are selling.
A neighbor brought home several boxes of these little gems from where? FILLMORE...THAT'S RIGHT.

Never mind...money seems to be the most important issue with you folks...not safety. Go ahead..knock yourselves out. It's just a shame that your cities bad habits have to spill over to the other cities (where they are ILLEGAL) that border your sleepy little town. Money talks eh?

Posted by lkn4fish on April 3, 2008 at 9:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iseepeeple, I'm sure your neighbor is smart enough to know that lighting them outside the city limits is illegal, but you might mention it to him. In fact tell him/her to come back on the fourth, tag along & have some fun!!!

Posted by Terly on April 4, 2008 at 10:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

iseepeeple, They are safe they are sane and they are legal. Deal with it!

Posted by iseepeeple on April 4, 2008 at 11:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You are all missing the point...and you never answered my question..why not oranges and avocados? Why FIRE? Do you let your kids play with lighters? How about a little gun powder to go with that? Geeze people...COMMON SENSE...oh I forgot..nevermind.
The sparklers my neighbor bought actually carried warnings all over the box...with the name "MORNING GLORY TNT."
Sounds really "safe n sane" to me.

Go ahead..support your community by selling products made in China...I am sure THEY are benefiting from this stupidity MORE than you are.

Like I said earlier...money talks.

Posted by flmrmom on April 4, 2008 at 2:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iseepeeple, you sound like a child throwing a temper tantrum, quit whinning and get over it already!

Posted by Terly on April 4, 2008 at 2:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Iseepeeple, I thought you were kidding when you suggested the sale of oranges and avocados, LOL, you have no concept as to how the farming business works.

Why fire? Why not? It's fun! We play with it every year arond the 4th of July. My whole family comes to town and we have a huge block party. We go to the car show, have a BBQ, and then when it gets dark we play with fireworks. My kids have been using fireworks for years and yes sometimes they use lighters to light the fireworks. It is really fun and everyone has a great time. Oh did I mention it is LEGAL!

I can't dispute that we do make money for our community. It is a shame that money makes the world go around. The money goes for search and rescue teams, youth football, youth basketball, youth baseball, Catholic charities, and many other nonprofit organizations like these. I don't feel bad about making a lot of money for these groups.

So please bring your family to Fillmore buy all the fireworks you want and use them inside Fillmore City limits it is a great time for all!

Posted by iseepeeple on April 5, 2008 at 8:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

NO..wasn't kidding..in fact I think it's a great idea...and just so you know..I know all about the farming business...having a father who retired from Sunkist after 50 years (Saticoy Lemon) and worked with most all of the ranchers from Santa Paula and Fillmore...as well as being raised on Sespe. So don't tell me about farming and ranching. I know it well.

As for the fireworks being legal..since that is the case in YOUR city..then each and every vendor should be MADE by the City of Fillmore, to check ID on every sale they make..to make absolute certain, they stay IN your city as much as possible. I know nothing is 100 percent perfect..but it would certainly "curb" some of the trafficing of bringing them INTO the cities where they AREN'T legal. Keep the smoke, litter and fire threats within your own city. We don't need it here. I have a personal reason for saying so...and it deals with the health of my daughter who has heart disease. Breathing that crap effects her every year...no matter how hard we try to seal off the windows and doors...it wreakes...and she suffers, because we have people in our city who insist on breaking the laws...so that gives you yet ANOTHER look at the damage these stinking things bring into our neighborhoods. IF you want it...keep it. Control it within the city limits of Fillmore. Now, I know that would cut into your community service funds, but rather than spend money to make money...go with the produce idea. Talk to the ranchers..I am sure they would be willing to help their own community out. Has anyone ever asked about it?
BTW..how much does the city of Fillmore pay and who purchases these tons and tons of Chinese made firecrackers to sell in your city? Do the vendors actually LIVE in Fillmore? Just curious...do you know?

Posted by lkn4fish on April 5, 2008 at 1:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iseepeeple, you're cluless, ranchers do more than their fair share, Do you really think Fillmore pays Fireworks Companies to come in and physically sell their "Firecrackers"(illegal)?? Most of the people selling "legal" fireworks are "LOCAL" volunteers!! The City does pay for the Stadium fireworks show.
Again, I bring up alcohol which is legal, and has a "bigger" impact on society. The last big Malibu fire was started by "drunk" kids in the Malibu Hills. Just get over it!!

Posted by iseepeeple on April 5, 2008 at 3:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Did I say anything about Fillmore paying the Fireworks companies to come in and sell their fireworks? I asked a simple question..Damn..read my post instead of trying to make ME look stupid...you spend more energy trying to dodge the facts...alcohol is not even the topic we are discussing here..but you have brought it up in every one of your post. I am not clueless nor am I ignorant ikn4fish...
We are talking about FIREWORKS NOT ALCOHOL. DOH??
You are not even reading my post...you come in with your "get over it" attitude and think you have won the battle. I hope it's not one of your family members who gets hurt by these potential deadly little "toys"...I would like to see what your reaction would be if someone came up to you and told you to "get over it".
Bottom line is..there are a lot of constructive and safe ways to raise money for your city...why fireworks?

Makes NO sense to me..since your city is one of the dryest in the county...and for your info..Fillmore firefighters manage to respond to at least 3 or 4 brush fires during the July 4th holiday...don't believe me? Ask them.

Posted by CamarilloMan on April 5, 2008 at 8:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Keep your legal fireworks in Fillmore and out of my town! I think cities should bill Fillmore for the cost to enforce the "no fireworks" law. Safe and Sane are still "unsafe and insane"

Posted by SayItLikeItIs on April 5, 2008 at 8:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Patriotism at work!

Posted by MarkRoberts on April 5, 2008 at 8:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fireworks are fun. There is a lot of fear about so little. Last year the fireworks sales were down in most booths in Fillmore. The day of the week was one factor, the economy was another, and another reason was the fear impressed into the population about the enforcement by the fire dept (remember people it is a very dry year....blah, blah, blah). I don't remember hearing about any fires caused by the fireworks sold in Fillmore.
Who knows? Maybe someday there will be one.
There will always be another fire somewhere, sometime. Most of the big ones are started by people with fires on windy days.
So get over your fear of fireworks and let everyone else have some fun...and make some money for their community organization. :-)
Fillmore is one of the best places to celebrate the Fourth of July in California.

Posted by lkn4fish on April 5, 2008 at 10:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Iseepeeple & CamarilloMan, bill us & sue us. Hope you have fun this Independence Day!!

Posted by iseepeeple on April 6, 2008 at 8:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Whatevah..I don't have to play with firecrackers and infringe on other people to feel patriotic for my country. I'll celebrate it my way..and you do your thing. If you could keep the smoke, trash,noise and firethreats within your OWN city...I would be a happy camper. Unfortunately...you can't and you won't even try.
So with that I wish you a happy 4th..knowing that one day your arrogance and the arrogance of your city leaders will catch up with you all..
taaa!

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on April 6, 2008 at 12:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with iseepeeple. It is time to stop fireworks in Fillmore. People increase their stupidity every year. Fillmore turns into a war zone of illegal and legal fireworks and it filters into nearby communities. I also see a lot of people who live outside Fillmore come to Fillmore to help destroy the town by lighting up their fireworks and walking away to leave someone else to clean up.
This has nothing to do with being patriotic but a chance to get drunk and be destructive. Every year I see illegal fireworks flying sideways into crowds. The police/sheriff need to be fully staffed and fine people like crazy for using illegal fireworks or just stop it completely.

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on April 6, 2008 at 1:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iseepeeple,
Remember when you are talking to Fillmore residents you are talking to people with roosters c----a-doing, pit bulls barking, low riders and houses blasting mariachi music, and gunfire. Noise and chaos is way of life, so talking with Fillmorons is a pointless endeavor. It's like yelling at your dog, all it hears is "blah blah blah".

Posted by iseepeeple on April 6, 2008 at 1:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"This has nothing to do with being patriotic but a chance to get drunk and be destructive."

Thanks vcsexplorer11 ... I think you hit the nail on the head. TOTALLY.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on April 6, 2008 at 3:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sell avocados and oranges? get serious! And any parent knows its thier responsibility to not only purchase but to make sure they are responsibly lit.
iseepeeple, ALso if you knew what you were talking about the city does get paid .......know your facts before you spout out. And any other city who has to foot the bill for extra patrol needs to raise the find for those caught illegally letting off fireworks in thier town.

iseepeeple,Also Sparklers are different now then before. They are no longer made of metal rods that can heat up and burn a childs hand or be thrown and burn someone. They are made at the end of wooden sticks that do not heat up and are much safer. By the way if your from out of town did you report your neighbors who broke the law to the police? And yes money does talk!!!! You bet! When a child who wants to play little league and can't afford the fee's. Its alot cheaper in Fillmore for that child to be able to play ball. For the search and rescue to be able to purchase equipment that will help save peoples lives. I could go on and on.
Good Grief!! If you KNOW so much about farming you know darn well people are not going to come to Fillmore to purchase thousands and thousands of dollars worth of citrus. And what farmer could possibly donate all his profits???? Yeah I could just see people coming to fillmore and buying 200.00 dollars worth of oranges WOW !!!!!!And as far as checking ID's for out of towners. Its not against the law for Fillmore to sell to them. Most do come and enjoy the day in Fillmore and light them off there. Of Coure WE HAVE ALOT of out of towners trash to pick up!!!! And your complaining about trash????
vcsexplorer11 , Obviously you have heard rumors of lies. And who the hell owns roosters in Fillmore besides a few ranchers? That was the most rediculous comment I have read.........

Posted by iseepeeple on April 6, 2008 at 4:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

annawhaat....I've read enough of your comments here to know that..very RARELY do you ever know what you are talkin' about...and now just regarding fireworks. However, I didn't know you were from Fillmore. Now it all makes sense.
YES I know the City of Fillmore gets paid for this stupidity, otherwise they wouldn't be doing it. They COUNT on the clueless to keep the money coming in. Oh and all that extra equipment the city needs to save lifes? Their gonna need it if they keep playing with fire.

Posted by catlover on April 6, 2008 at 4:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

vcsexplorer- Great comment. Coming from one in Fillmore, I am staring at my pitbull right now, raising the volume to my mariachi music and waiting for my pet roosters to start c----a-doodling. How did you know all Fillmore residents are this way? You are so smart.

Posted by catlover on April 6, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

One more thing----Fillmore fireworks are more safe and sane than some of these commenters.

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on April 6, 2008 at 10:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Catlover and Annawhaat,
Obviously some fillmore residents, like you, have your head stuck in the sand. I know people who live in North Fillmore. I stayed overnight at a house by "A" st and was awaken by a rooster and a barking pit bull. Get up in the early morning and walk on "A" St. between 4th and Edison and hear the roosters do their thing. Also our peace was constantly interupted by mariachi music and there was gunfire on fifth street on March 27th (according to the fillmore gazette).
Oh my gosh, I have FACTS instead of the constant trash catlover and Annawhaat push to readers.
Yes, iseepeeple. You got it right. We know the facts.
Notice how they didn't address the illegal fireworks in Fillmore shooting sideways. I have been there and happens every time. I am sure the cats love all that insanity, right catlover.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on April 7, 2008 at 6:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

iseepeeple ,I know it take intelligence to understand my comments!!!! Sorry you do not understand them. Yes I have lived in Fillmore! I have lived many places!!! And you bet your booty I know what the firework income brings into the city !!!!! Something you obviously do not know.
They use the money to save lives for idiots from other towns who come here and climb our mountains and get lost......... So basically Fillmore people must be smarter ,that is what I think your saying ! ROFL
vcsexplorer11 ,Well your talking about the most gang related streets! why are you walking down the streets down there if you do not feel safe. Roosters are not allowed in the city limits so have fun making your reports....... You never have anything nice to say when you bring my name up so why don't you just saying nothing at all.........

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on April 7, 2008 at 8:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry AnnaWhaat but I feel you often take the opposite side of common sense and respect for other people. You know, since your from Fillmore, that people go crazy with illegal fireworks in Fillmore. Its harder to control the illegal fireworks when legal fireworks are going off all around the city. I don't walk the streets in Fillmore, especially at night, but visit with a relative who is retired, on a fixed income, who is basically stuck where they are in Fillmore. Fillmore WAS a OK place, as was Oxnard. Who says that now?

Posted by iseepeeple on April 7, 2008 at 9:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Annawhaat...I know Fillmore like the back of my hand...I have MANY cousins, aunts and uncles and at one time both of my grandparents lived there up until my grandfather died. My father was raised most of his young life on Sespe..after coming to California from Oklahoma.
I WORKED in Fillmore for several years at the old Olga plant and guess what? I was a supervisor. OMG..yes!! I could add and everything. Why...I probably made the bra you are wearing RIGHT NOW!

I have MANY MANY friends who live there still and I visit quite often. Honestly..I love the little town. There are some hardcore stubborn a$$e$ who run your city though. THAT I KNOW!
Like I said...they don't give a rats a$$ if someone gets hurt..or loses a house and believe me it may very well happen.. while they are pledging their alligence to the almighty BUCK.
Where there is potential for trouble..there will most certainly be trouble...and frankly I would hate to see it happen to such a nice little town like Fillmore.
Now..I would really like to see those monetary figures you seem to know about. The total profits, where every dollar goes and how much of it goes where. Give us some facts to chew on...will ya? I really want to know!

Posted by flmrmom on April 7, 2008 at 10:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

These comments are absolutely ridiculous and so out of line. This went from discussing firework sales to comments like "Remember when you are talking to Fillmore residents you are talking to people with roosters c----a-doing, pit bulls barking, low riders and houses blasting mariachi music, and gunfire. Noise and chaos is way of life, so talking with Fillmorons is a pointless endeavor. It's like yelling at your dog, all it hears is "blah blah blah". That is so inappropriate, rude and disrespectful. vcsexplorer11, you have put all "Fillmore Residents" under this stereotype and you have relatives that live in Fillmore, is this how you feel about your family members that are Fillmore Residents? What you are describing is not how all people in Fillmore are, and it is something that you will find everywhere, I'm sure it's in whatever perfect town you live in as well. There is nothing wrong with voicing your opinion on selling fireworks but the insults are childish and uncalled for.

Posted by BeaHappi on April 7, 2008 at 10:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Fillmore has been selling fireworks for as long as I can remember. I love sparklers but that's about it. Mostly because fireworks are so noisy! Why can't someone invent fireworks that are fun and colorful, but quiet?

I live in Oxnard and we have tons of neighbors who fire them off. It's so annoying! My dogs get totally freaked out too.

But what bugs me the most about the 4th of July or any holiday are the idiots who think that shooting their guns in the air is a way to celebrate. What the...??? Talk about dangerous...now that's dangerous!

Posted by lkn4fish on April 7, 2008 at 11:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

vcexplorer11 "I know people who live in North Fillmore & stayed in a house on A Street". Hmm & you're full of FACTS. You're full of it all right but it's not facts. Maybe you & iseepeeple should focus on the idiots from your community taking "legal" fireworks back to your community!!

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on April 7, 2008 at 11:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Flmrmom,
You proved my point, not only did you just read the comments you wanted to complain about but you skipped over the valid comments and became one of those people I was describing. I am only describing what I see. Nothing more. I can lie and say there are no roosters on "A" st. Everyone doesn't blast their mariachi music so you can hear it a mile away ect..
Do you want to arrange a tour of disrespectful people in Fillmore?
Respect is earned, not given away like dinner mints.

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on April 7, 2008 at 11:43 a.m.

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Posted by flmrmom on April 7, 2008 at 11:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

vcsexplorer11, you are obviously a very simple and narrow minded person who enjoys conflict and has no respect for others. I will waste no more of my time on someone like you. Have a nice day!

Posted by iseepeeple on April 7, 2008 at 1:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So...no facts on how much the City of Fillmore actually brings in and how that money is distributed? The city I live in has all of these wonderful things you are talking about as well..but we don't SELL fireworks to get it. I would like to see grand totals and distribution list. Any takers willing to give it up for the sake of FACTS?

Posted by MarkRoberts on April 7, 2008 at 1:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well it looks like time to take a vote on the subject.

A quick tally of the comments looks like:
3 posters are against fireworks (anywhere),
2 posters are ambivalent,
7 posters are for fireworks sales in Fillmore.

Looks like the majority are for it to go forth.

The city will get $400 x 25 booths plus sales tax revenues generated by all of the sales in town.
FYI fireworks are a part of Americana on the Fourth of July. For all of you with issues go to Tennessee, Idaho, Missouri, etc., and see what kind of fireworks you can get there for the same price...legally.

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on April 7, 2008 at 1:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Flmrmom,
Your insults have been simple and annoying, from a simple and annoying person. Since you have nothing to contribute to this discussion except insults I am glad you have nothing more to say. It was about Fireworks until YOU and your cohorts started saying "if you don't like the fireworks in Fillmore, then stay away" How childish is that! How can anyone have a intelligent discussion with people like you?
I also apologize to iseepeeple, who is trying to have a intelligent conversation, and instead is having a one way conservation. Nobody will answer your question and nobody will address the huge amounts of illegal fireworks in Fillmore because they would rather prove my fact, that a conversation with this group is a pointless endeavor.

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on April 7, 2008 at 1:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MarkRoberts,
Sounds like your a fireworks seller. Your right though. It doesn't matter what I say, it is going to happen anyway. Usually it takes something to go horribly wrong before someone puts a end to it. That day always arrives. It's simply the Darwin Award for human stupidity. I am sure you will have the cash in your pocket before that happens, so give you, your friends and city council a high five.

Posted by julie.medina on April 7, 2008 at 2:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have celebrated the 4th of July in Fillmore all my life and for as long as I can remember we bought fireworks and lite them off every year. In our neighborhood I do not once remember, any serious injury or fire resulting from the use of the Safe & Sane Fireworks, with exception of a finger burn from the old wire sparklers (that are now illegal) and we are talking 40 years. But my parents taught us how to use them properly and I have taught my kids how to light them properly. I don't allow them to throw them or alter them in any way. It is the illegal fireworks that are unsafe and unpredictable. These are the ones that land on people or burn open fields. I love the 4th of July for the bbq's and the fireworks. If they were to stop the sales of fireworks in Fillmore, sure I would go watch the show at the high school but it just wouldn't be the same. I love that Fillmore still allows them. It is not these fireworks that are causing injury to people unless they are using them in a manner they should not be. Fillmore by far is the funnest place to be on the 4th of July, for their car show, bbq's, fireworks and just to see people that you haven't seen since last year. Kudo's to you Fillmore.

Posted by Terly on April 7, 2008 at 2:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There are a couple of Firework companies that you can purchase the fireworks from. If you sell $100 worth of fireworks it will cost you $50 for the fireworks plus taxes. A fireworks booth can generate profits of between $10,000 and $100,000 per booth depending on the location and how many hours they remain open. Overall, I would estimate that all of the firework booths generate close to 1 million dollars. Each organization uses the money how they see fit. People who want to purchase fireworks can pick the organization and the cause they want their money to go to.

As I have said before the money is spent on equipment for the kids in youth sports, search and rescue, local charities, booster and civic service clubs.

Firework booths posts signs that say please use the fireworks within the City limits and that they are illegal outside the City limits. The Sheriff's Department and Fire Department do cite and confiscate fireworks outside the City limits of Fillmore.

Please keep in mind that just because there are fireworks in your City it does not mean they came from Fillmore. There are numerous location throughout California that you purchase "safe and sane" fireworks.

As for the illegal fireworks in Fillmore. You are right it does sometimes look like a war zone in Fillmore. They are just that illegal. People are cited and they are conficated if you are found to possess them. They are not sold in Fillmore nor are they encouraged.

Posted by BeaHappi on April 7, 2008 at 3:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm not a fireworks afficianado so can someone please explain the difference between "Safe and Sane" and illegal fireworks? I mean other than where they are purchased.

Are there only certain types of fireworks that fall into the "Safe & Sane" category?

I like going to big public fireworks shows (like at highschools, etc) but those that my neighbors shoot off are just too noisy.

Okay, another question...do you have to show an ID to purchase fireworks (is there an age requirement)? And if so, would it be possible to not sell to anyone who didn't have a Fillmore address on their ID? I live in Oxnard and chances are if I bought fireworks in Fillmore, I'd be bringing them home to Oxnard, where they are not legal.

So why not just limit the purchases to ppl who live in areas where it's legal to use them?

Posted by julie.medina on April 7, 2008 at 3:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bea..you know I was thinking about this exact thing of checking Id's and making sure they live in the Fillmore area, however I'm sure you would then have some people buying them and making their own profit off of them. But the Safe and Sane fireworks have nothing that flies in the air or shoots sparks higher than 6ft. Some things scream or crackle, but nothing gives off a bang like a firecracker or cherry bomb and nothing leaves the ground. And you do have to be 16 or 18 to buy the fireworks, so you have to show Id for that reason.

Posted by BeaHappi on April 7, 2008 at 3:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Julie - thank you! So I think that I could live with the "Safe & Sane" versions. It's the cherry bombs and firecrackers that irritate me.

So my neighbors must shoot off the twice-illegal versions: not safe and sane AND using them in Oxnard.

And you're right; if people want to obtain fireworks for their non-fireworks town, they'll find a way to do it.

I do want some sparklers though...they are so much fun!

Posted by julie.medina on April 7, 2008 at 3:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I can understand the frustration of all the people out of town that have to deal with the fireworks however I bet most of them are illegal and those are not sold in Fillmore. Well they could be sold in Fillmore, but they could be sold in any town for that matter. The fireworks sold in Fillmore are to most people pretty boring because they don't fly in the air, or make a bang that rattles the windows. So if you are seeing fireworks in the sky or hearing the ones that sound like a bomb, these are all illegal. I think this is where people are blaming Fillmore and this is going to go on whether or not Fillmore sells the legal fireworks or not.

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on April 7, 2008 at 5:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you for some insightful dialog.
I do believe that the city could make a killing on fining people for illegal fireworks. They need to hire temporpary people to do just that. They would do the city a great public service and make thousands of dollars also.
I was in Fillmore last year and stood there watching people light up professional fireworks on the streets. I waited to see police, fire, or any city staff do something as part as their crackdown. The night continued with no sign of enforcement. Maybe they were enforcing the Starbucks coffee line.

Posted by iseepeeple on April 7, 2008 at 6:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you Terly for that info. Finally an answer. I do still think there are better ways for the city to raise a million bucks, especially if it's done all year round instead of a few weeks a year...it's a bad idea for a good cause.
I do know the difference between legal and illegal. I also believe that the sale of "legal" just opens up the door and allows promotion of illegal sales to come in...I also know that Fillmore does all it can to curb it..but that just ain't good enough. Do you see where I am coming from?

vcsexplorer11...you owe me no apology believe me...I fill the frustration you feel on so many levels. Does that make us racist? Nope..does that make us hate mungers? Nope..it makes us sick and tired of the crap we have to endure year in and year out, watching our tax dollars go for things (extra patrols, cleanup crews, etc.) that we SHOULDN'T as taxpayers have to deal with. There are FAR better things I wish to see my tax dollars go towards within OUR city than a wild weekend of drinking, noise, messin up our air with stink bombs, and all the other garbage that goes towards the fireworks fiasco.
There is just NO way we can enforce our laws on this matter 100 percent when one city refuses to give us a hands up. Our poor PD is out numbered every year with this crap...and somethings gotta give.
Thank you everyone for your input...whether or not I agree..there has to be some common ground somewhere.

Posted by catlover on April 7, 2008 at 7:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

vcsexplorer- You need to get out more.

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on April 7, 2008 at 8:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

catlover, I do. Just one of those days.
iseepeeple, thanks.
terly, good info but there are better ways to raise funds.
julie.medina if it ends one day you will be better off, besides the fireworks are made in China. I am sure by breathing that toxic smoke you just shortened the life of you and your children. I am sure fillmore residents have better family values then lighting up with their children, or maybe I am wrong.

Posted by julie.medina on April 8, 2008 at 8:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

vcsexplorer11..didn't you just comment that you were in Fillmore last year watching the fireworks? So didn't you just shorten your own life as well? Didn't you know that second hand smoke is worse than the real thing?

Posted by Terly on April 8, 2008 at 9:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I guess in the end we agree to disagree on a better way to raise funds. We have found the sell of firworks works well for us and is a part of the culture of Fillmore. I do apologize for those that choose to break the law and bring the fireworks in to your city instead of using them in Fillmore, where they are legal to use.

I wish you all a great 4th of July and may it be a safe and sane one!

Posted by 805diva on April 8, 2008 at 4:03 p.m.

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Posted by steve on April 8, 2008 at 4:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

$1000.00 fine for illegal fireworks (firecrackers, cherry bombs, M080's, bottle rockets, motars, etc).
Fillmore and Oxnard have specific ordinances against illegal fire works use.

ID's are checked. 16 to buy, 18 to sell (go figure).

Anyone who purchases safe & sane fireworks should enjoy them in Fillmore.

Every NON PROFIT group pays sales tax to the county, a permit fee to the city of Fillmore and contributes to the aerial show.

Come to Fillmore and enjoy the Holiday!

I'm turning off my mariachi music and accepting the "high five".

Steve

Posted by 805diva on April 8, 2008 at 4:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh yah and Shout out to the ceoofda805! sorry I forgot to the first time!

Posted by AnnaWhaat on April 9, 2008 at 11:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

vcsexplorer11,Excuse me but I do respect other people .Its just that I have my own mind and do not mind using it when I disagree. Not like some that just go with the flow. There isn't a street in Fillmore that I would be scared to walk at night since everyone knows me and I know them. So I have no fear.........
I do agree that the illegal fireworks are insane on the 4th. Now that they have the hefty fine to pay if you caught with them and the police sneak up on you with bicycles I think it will slow down.
iseepeeple,Small world my Mother also worked at the Olga plant as well as my Aunt who was a superviser.....hmmmm
And I also know Fillmore like the back of my hand.
I do agree with you about some of the people who run the city. As far as where each dollar goes for the booths I can not give you detail on each and every booth.....Money is paid to rent the booths, some people charge to have the booths on thier property(which I think is greety),But as far as the Schools, and Little league booths etc. Money is spend on Grad night live to give those who graduate a cruise night instead of going out and partying and possible loosing a life. Its a great program. Believe me pie sales do not cover everything. Also the Girls softball and little league booths keep the money to sign up to play down to a resonable amount so those who can no afford to play can. It covers new uniforms and equipment etc. As far as the other booths you can pretty much figure it out. As for a print out of the money that I am not able to give you.
iseepeople, The fires in Fillmore are minimal. Small fires that are put out quickly. And I do agree that small children should not be the ones with the lighters or match's lighting the fireworks, it should be the adults with the children standing back.
And what good would it do to ID people? If they are going to return to Fillmore to light them off. The big problem is out of towners that do come in and catch people before they get to the booths and try to sell illegal fireworks. In which we watch out for and notify the authorities. You ask why fireworks? Well we do have candy sales, not alot of profit. And then we have the idiots that come all the way from LA and drop kids off to sale candy out of big blue box's, and the people buying them do not know that it is not benefiting Fillmore. Fillmore being a small town its hard enough to sell our own candy and make a profit.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on April 9, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

vcsexplorer11,Like I mentioned the fine for illegal fireworks has gone way way up! The police do a great job sneaking up on people riding bicycles and catching them. And many people in Fillmore will call the police if the see illegal fireworks. iseepeeple,And I do feel sorry for your daughter. I know how bad it can be for people with breathing problems. My son has severe asthma aslo. He is also extremely allergic to grass. Should I protest that everyone remove thier lawns? If you have family in another city please let them take her for a few days until the air cleans out.Also out of towners leave soooooooo much trash all over town its unreal. Thankfully we have some great volunteers who are up early in the morning cleaning out of towners mess. Even though trash cans are placed all over the school grassy areas, they fail to use them. I wish those coming to enjoy our fireworks would please clean thier own trash up!!!!!

lkn4fish ,I agree! Its the idiot out of towners who are breaking the law!!! Not Fillmore.
MarkRoberts, you failed to add in the hefty fines the city gets for people caught with illegal fireworks !!!!!
BeaHappi,If I am not mistaken. You must be 16 to purchase them and 18 to work in the booth. If someone looks young yes you have to ask for ID. A school ID would even work. As far at taking them out of town alot of people buy them early so they are not sold out take them out of town then come back to Fillmore to use them. Safe and Sane fireworks do not fly up in the air. Only so many feet up. Little things like firecrackers.M80's etc are not even sold in the state of Calif. as far as I know.
The age thing I may have backwards.

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on April 9, 2008 at 11:33 a.m.

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Posted by vcsexplorer11 on April 9, 2008 at 12:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Annawhaat,
There is not enough enforcers to enforce the illegal fireworks. I do you not agree that they are doing a great job because they could make money and peace by stepping up enforcement.
Just to let you know I am not fully against fireworks. Sparklers are great and the fireworks that have beautiful displays (without lots of noise) are ok. It's the constant noise, and relatives say it goes on for weeks, that should be stopped. First is the illegal fireworks.
Julie. Yes your right. That is why I am not going to be in Fillmore this year. I am sure everyone will be happy with that :)

Posted by 805diva on April 9, 2008 at 12:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Vcsexplorer,
I was only giving you a taste of your own medicine...I see you didn't like when I stereotyped you in a comment...you got on the defense.
Time for a lesson to the 11 year old: treat others as you would like to be treated!

You must be pretty funny too if your finding meaning in my username. However your assumptions are all wrong!

Guess again!

Posted by 805diva on April 9, 2008 at 12:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Vcsexplorer11,
I would also like to inform you that the 805 is not just a gang slogan. You really should stop with your judgements and thinking that everyone is a gang member or gang affiliated.

And please do not confuse me with the types of girls you are looking for.

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on April 9, 2008 at 1:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

805Diva,
I didn't know there are stereotypes for usernames. You’re the one that came up with that one. Also, if you saw my post, it was not a stereotype but a comment based on observation. Read the post that say locations and prove me wrong. I can give you more detail by getting addresses, ect.. the next time I visit but the info I gave can all be verified. Roosters, gun shots, and mariachi music (not every day for music, but at least bi-weekly - weekends) and everyone has dogs for cheap security.

Posted by 805diva on April 9, 2008 at 1:53 p.m.

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Posted by SayItLikeItIs on April 10, 2008 at 7:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This article "spaked" some dialogue.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on April 10, 2008 at 8:39 a.m.

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Posted by 805diva on April 10, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Vcsexplorer,
You obviously are racist if you make that assumption about Mexicans and food stamps. And once again there you go with your assumption that im a homegirl.However I am not a homegirl and I do not collect food stamps. I am financially secure, but you got it all wrong because I will be the one laughing at you when your begging for food stamps because your Dumb a$$ got fired for EXPLORING the ventura County Star when your supposed to be working! Also can you please send your wife my apologies, Tell her I am sorry that she has to wake up next to you every morning. I give it a year before she divorces your a$$!

Now if you will excuse me.I dont have time to argue with your lame a$$. Some of us actually have lives!

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on April 10, 2008 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

805Diva,
You and food stamps. Why, the times of your posts I would assume that your home all day (but of course you play the race card). I am self employed and its hard to fire myself. By the way, when you have nothing else intelligent to say you and Anna love to use the Race Card. I have loads of Mexican friends and clients who respect people and work hard. They are not saying, hey fool what's up. They are professional people with respectful attitudes. Again, if the observations I described are wrong then I must of imagined the whole thing. Your right there are no roosters in fillmore, everyone plays their music low so only they can hear it, nobody fired guns on Fifth St on March 27th, everyone has poodles and cats, and everyone is a racist, except you of course.

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on April 10, 2008 at 3:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Correction: fired guns on 4th street (my imagination said 5th street accidently)

Posted by catlover on April 10, 2008 at 7:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

vcexplorer- You have no life. A shooting on 4th street in Fillmore is really nothing compared to the real problems in our world.
As for the fireworks, I am planning a hawaiian theme 4th of July Pool Party. My roosters are going to stay at a neighbors house so they don't c--- a doodle. My pit bull will be wearing a hawaiian shirt. He doesn't bite. I will have to get ukelalees (sorry spelling) instead of guitars and trumpets. Hmmmm, what else? A pig instead of frijoles and queso burritos.
I wonder if my food stamps will pay for all of this?

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on April 11, 2008 at 8:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Catlover,
Whatever. I wasn't desribing you, anna, and maybe flmrmom or 805diva, but what I see in the north fillmore area and some other area's in Fillmore. Maybe it's your neighbors not you. I am sure I will have to repeat that 30 more times before get it. I guess I will go get a life and get my fat racist a$$ off the computer so I won't fire myself or imagine roosters and pit bulls. You told me.
Good luck and I hope your kids don't get hit by the illegal fireworks, which I am sure will be even more this year. If it does happen, I will be commenting on that article.

Posted by flmrmom on April 11, 2008 at 10:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ok since my name was brought up again I felt that I should comment again. vcsexplorer11 and I went back and forth a few days back and after reading over our posts I decided to log off because it was getting pretty brutal and in all reality some of the things we said were mean and inappropriate, vcsexplorer, I apologize for that. Now before you all jump down my throat for that, lets all be adults here and think, would we want our kids saying these things to other kids? I don't think so. I think this has gone way beyond the fireworks issue. We all have different opinions, morals, lifestyles (obviously from these posts) but that's what makes this such a great country. So can we all please stop w/ all the insults! It's getting carried away.

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on April 11, 2008 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Flmrmom, and others,
I apologize also, yes, we all went far off the subject and got to personal.

Posted by flmrmom on April 11, 2008 at 1:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you vcsexplorer!
Have a nice weekend everyone!!

Posted by AnnaWhaat on April 12, 2008 at 11:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

vcsexplorer11 ,Your referring to the whole darn town!!! Maybe a few exceptions of music too loud. Most cities have a few. But honestly I feel you owe Me and Diva both an apology for your comments. But it takes a real man to do that.
flmrmom , Your right. I think you need an apology also from this person. I have noticed that he ( I am assumming) always puts my comments down. Bad mouths me etc. Its uncalled for.
Just read the apology THANKYOU!!!!!! I also apologize if I have hurt you in any way! Have a great weekend also!!!!

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on April 12, 2008 at 8:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Annawhaat, I said in my last post "Flmrmom and others"
That was a apology to you.
I wonder about your motives to continue?
Can anyone confirm the nationality of Annawhaat?
The only reason I want to know is to find out if she really is being honest on her posts.
She has called me some bad things also and I am wondering what really is on here.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on April 13, 2008 at 7:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

vcsexplorer11 ,There you go again! Does it really matter what race I am? Does it have anything to do with my comments. Could I call myself caucasion, or maybe hispanic or maybe half and half??? It makes no difference what my race is as far as my comments go. Would you be nicer to me if I said I was Caucasion or if I said Hispanic???? You tell me?

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on April 13, 2008 at 8:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Annawhaat,
Yes, it shows that you are changing your nationality to say racial motivated comments. I just want people to know when ANNAWHAAT continues to call people racist that you are talking to person who changes their nationality to promote her agenda and insult other people. What does that make her?
Again, even though you don't dispute that I am telling the truth about your nationality changes you say "will I be nicer if you were a certain nationality"
Maybe you should be asking yourself if you would be nicer if you were another nationality. How about black this week?
I will be nicer when you TELL THE TRUTH and stop lying to yourself and others.
Unbelievable!!!

Posted by AnnaWhaat on April 13, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ok I am not longer apologetic to you! Like I said nationality means nothing. Why are you so interested in mine???? Your prejudiced against one or the other. Thats for sure !!!!!

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on April 13, 2008 at 2:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

AnnaWhaat,
DO YOU KNOW HOW TO READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
or do you not understand that it's racist if you change your nationality to fit a topic so you can act like your opinions are not biased. Example, Farmer and low income housing. I said their are plenty of americans that want a chance to own housing and they should check to make sure that all applying are legal. You went off on me and said I was prejudice and all these people are legal (which I know for a fact that their are illegals getting housing as much as legal). Although their are many mexican AMERICANS, which I am all for getting homes, just as much as asian AMERICANS, black AMERICANS, white AMERICANS, ect..., you still called me a racist because you have something against AMERICANS. Then you lied and said you were white, which was changed from previous post on other topics.
That is when you stepped over the line with me.
I am sure you will continue your next post by saying the same thing because you can't dispute the facts and have plenty of hate material.
Every time you insult me I will expose your true agenda.
By the way, you have never been apologetic so don't even go there.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on April 13, 2008 at 4:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I do agree that those getting housing help should be legal citizens. SO SHOW ME THE COMMENT! I can't believe everything you just made up out of the blue!!!! omg....... I am a honest,sincere person. I meant the first apology since your offered yours. Now forget it!!!! Your making up things that aren't true. Just relate to the story at hand. If your capable !

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on April 13, 2008 at 9:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How convenient for you. The article was http://www.venturacountystar.com/news...
but the content must have been offensive since the star erased all posts. Anna even complains about the star erasing her comments, just go to the link.
Again, Anna, where is your post apologizing to me that you keep saying your taking back?
Oh, yes, it doesn't exist Anna. Show me the post above with date and time. Where's the proof of that or is this another of your imaginary tales?

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on April 13, 2008 at 10:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As a matter of fact I will take everything back if you show me the post of the apology that you are taking back. (I had to say it one more time because anna ignores posts that she can't lie her way out of by saying I was unapologetic, didn't even ignored my post:
Posted by vcsexplorer11 on April 11, 2008 at 11:03 a.m.

Flmrmom, and others,
I apologize also, yes, we all went far off the subject and got to personal.

Just look above.

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on April 13, 2008 at 10:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ok. I found a apology that appeared to be directed at flmrmom, since you put her name before your comment, but it may have been directed at all users. I am taking all I said ABOVE back (like I promised), except for the facts stated on post:
Posted by vcsexplorer11 on April 13, 2008 at 2:57 p.m
(I will not take back facts)
I am also not respondng to any more posts on this story so go ahead and bash me at will. Have fun!!

Posted by AnnaWhaat on April 14, 2008 at 6:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ok so you over looked it like you over read or imagined the other stories!!!!! Whatever! So now I take it that your apology wasn't pointed at me at all. Thats cool. I can deal with it. You are beginning to make no sense to me at all.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on April 14, 2008 at 6:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

vcsexplorer11,go back and re-read the posts! It says I love the way the star erases all the posts! It doesn't say mine!!!!!!!!! I know a great eye doctor !!!!!!

Posted by heritagevalley on April 14, 2008 at 11:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Annawhaat-
I have not been on here long but I do remember reading comments on farmworker housing and I did see you and vcsexplorer with comments to each other. You also said something about most farmworkers are legal and don't get housing it they are not legal. Something like that, but I am sorry that I don't remember the quote exactly.
I am not defending vcsexplorer but I will say that he may have some amount of truth.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on April 14, 2008 at 6:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I may have mis-spelled illegal.....my error
But he always puts down my comments. Its really sad!

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on April 14, 2008 at 9:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Annawhaat- If you call someone a racist because they have a different view, such as in illegal immigrants, you will find a lot of people here who will attack. I see it all the time on this website. I know someone who lost their job because it was outsourced to Mexico. He feels that the government is on a mission to lower all wages in the U.S. and who knows, he may be right. Just be careful. Even I disagree with Star not putting all the information from polce reports in the paper. I have been a victim and I do not think we are doing anything good by protecting criminals no matter what their race. What's next, gender?
Peace, out.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on April 16, 2008 at 7:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

peace=out to you! You make no sense!!!!

Posted by vcsexplorer11 on April 17, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

HeritageValley,
I think you need to explain to Annawhaat what I am saying she may need help.
I see that you saw the farmworker housing comments because you wrote to anna:
"You also said something about most farmworkers are legal and don't get housing it they are not legal. Something like that, but I am sorry that I don't remember the quote exactly.
I am not defending vcsexplorer but I will say that he may have some amount of truth."
She says she don't understand and I make no sense.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on April 17, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And you say you do not remember my comment exactly, so why comment on something you can't remember!!!! Are there two of you VCEsplorers?????
I am not racist ,never have been. And as far as my race it doesn't matter what race I am when I comment. So why keep asking me????

Posted by AnnaWhaat on April 17, 2008 at 11:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

read above about five comments you said you would not post anymore about this yet it continues by the hour !!!!!!! omg!

Posted by 805diva on April 17, 2008 at 3:23 p.m.

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Posted by heritagevalley on April 17, 2008 at 5:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Vcsexplorer and Anna,
I don't want to get in to the argument with you and Anna but it appears that Anna is insulting me because I said she wrote comments on the farmworker housing story. Yes, I don't remember exact quote but I know it was as hateful as what she is doing to me now. Both of you have some issues.

Posted by iseepeeple on April 17, 2008 at 5:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So...lets get back to firecrackers instead of trying to insert them up each others...um...well..you know, should Fillmore continue to be allowed to sell these things or not?

I say NO! :) For all the reasons I listed above.
Just sayin...

Posted by heritagevalley on April 18, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Iseepeeple- I agree with you, there should not be fireworks in Fillmore except at the high school.
The end.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on April 18, 2008 at 7:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Everyone enjoy there 4th no matter how you spend it !!!!! Just be safe and thoughtful of others. End of story!!!!!!!!!

Posted by iseepeeple on April 21, 2008 at 10:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Guess we've about chewed the fire out of this one....

Posted by AnnaWhaat on April 22, 2008 at 6:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Do see white or black smoke?

Posted by iseepeeple on April 22, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Is that a racial question? :D Sorry..couldn't resist.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on April 23, 2008 at 7:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

iseepeeple ,No.........Black smoke is when the fire is still burning. White smoke is when the fire is being put out.

Posted by iseepeeple on April 23, 2008 at 8:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

OHHHH then...I guess we have black smoke..considering this is only April and we still have 3 months to go. So I guess we can blow the sparks til then...and you KNOW we will :)

Posted by AnnaWhaat on April 23, 2008 at 1:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

you said we about chewed the fire out of this one. SO I was posting on that LOL.........What you smoking? Just kidding!!!!