Posted by desdave on November 2, 2007 at 4:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A great example of using existing laws and aggressive enforcement to deal with illegals. Although congress recently demonstrated once more it's inability to deal with difficult issues like immigration, enforcing the existing laws can get the job done. All of these actions have the positive effect of discouraging some to not make the trip north. Take away the jobs, the social and medical benefits, and the flood will start to slow. Unfortunately, we will see a lot of these guys back again as they reenter over our ill defended border.

Posted by tinacristy01 on November 2, 2007 at 6:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jajaja mister2. "I womber when the NAHJ will protest". Do a spell check first before you put down the illegal immigrants.

Posted by heregoes on November 2, 2007 at 8:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why do we have to wait for them to finish their sentence - on our tax dollar?

Why can't we immediately deport Mexican criminals to Mexican prisons?

Posted by daze805 on November 2, 2007 at 8:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sawyer...I though the anti-illegal crowd was not anti-Mexican? Don't you also mean, to send them to El Salvador, Russia, and Poland? Not all illegals are from Mexico, but there you go with your assumptions and stereotypes again...

The article does not mention what country they entered illegally from, but you are one of many people who can not seem to seperate their legal status from their ethnic background.

If you are opposed to illegal immigration, that is one thing, but when you start making generalizations, that is where you are wrong.

Posted by teesdin on November 2, 2007 at 8:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Please keep it up ICE. Deport ALL of them.
I agree sawyerfamily except there isn't a good option in either case. You deport them now, they just come back tomorrow. You make them serve the sentence while we all pay for it and then deport them, and they come back the next day after being deported.

We need to make the border 100% secure. And then deport them all back immediately to mexico. Let the mexican government deal with them. If they want murders, rapists and child molesters running around, so be it. As long as they can NOT come back to the USA in any circumstance the solution is perfect

Posted by kelly13 on November 2, 2007 at 9 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you Mr. Gallegly, ICE and law enforcement for enforcing the law and doing the right thing. I don't think anyone would argue that this isn't a great beginning. And it seems so simple.
Keep up the good work.

Posted by daze805 on November 2, 2007 at 9:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

teesdin, you assume with the best of them...

Posted by daze805 on November 2, 2007 at 9:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tell me do you feel empowered hiding behind a web moniker to disseminate hate and intolerance towards other races and nationalities?

Posted by teesdin on November 2, 2007 at 9:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The generalization of mexican illegal immigrants is because that is where the vast majority of them in our neck of the woods are from. This isn't a 'racist' thing, though every pro-illegal immigration poster will say it is. It is the reality of Southern California.

Posted by SomeonesSister on November 2, 2007 at 9:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

As stated in this article, based on the numbers; "8 out of every 10 Immigrant Housed in Ventura County Jails" are "Eligible for Deportation". This is due to the fact that they have either "Entered our Country Illegally and were Cought Committing a Crime", or they are Legal Immigrants, but have "Committed a Crime Severe Enough" to take away their prior approved legal immigration status.

It concerns me to think that some people place a higher value on a typographical error than they do the issue of the number of immigrants entering the USA Illegally or otherwise, and Committing Crimes.

Does anyone know how much money is spent each and every day by "We Tax Payers", while we tend to these criminals in our Jails? In our Country?

I wonder what the percentages would reflect regarding the Legal Status of Immigrants in Ventura County who are "Not" in jail?

Posted by daze805 on November 2, 2007 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

In that case, focus on the issue, and the problem...undocumented workers, and how to deal with them. Don't focus on their heritage or nationality.

Are you really in touch with this problem in Southern California, are you aware of the illegal Armenian, Cambodians, and Chinese workers that are in this part of the country?? Not to mention the Brazilians, Russian, and Polish in the South and Northeast?

Regardless of your feelings on the illegal immigrant community, please don't make this a racial issue, it shouldn't be.

By the way, in the South "my neck of the woods" can be taken a number of ways...

Posted by shaver_one on November 2, 2007 at 9:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Send the Mexican illegals back to Mexico. Send the Chinese illegals back to China (covered in lead paint). Send the British illegals (yes, they are here too) back to England. Send them all back to whichever country they illegally came from. This is NOT a 'racist' isssue.
But, more than sending them back, enforce the laws against hiring them. Take away the jobs, and many will choose not to come.
To paraphrase "Field of Dreams":
Tear it down, and they will go away.
Unfortunately, teesdin, it is impoossible to make our borders 100% secure. There is simply too much border.

Posted by teesdin on November 2, 2007 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Unfortunately, teesdin, it is impoossible to make our borders 100% secure. There is simply too much border."

I realize the problem and was only saying what the only real solution would be. In relation to the article, if you send the illegal criminals back to their homeland they will almost certainly just come back. It is a no win situation for everyone here legally. We either pay for them in jail or turn them loose on the USA, which is where they will without a doubt show back up soon enough after release.

With technology I do think the border can be made fairly secure. the problem is, we don't even bother to try. Our country is still in the state of mind that anyone against illegal immigrants is 'racist'. And please, stop using the ridiculous term 'undocumented workers'. Do you honestly think that everyone here illegal is working? Every last one of them??
If not, then that generalized term is totally without merit. however 'illegal immigrant' always describes exactly what they are. They are Illegal immigrants. Word play and media typing is out of control and a waste of time

Posted by kyliepoo007 on November 2, 2007 at 10 a.m.

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Posted by daze805 on November 2, 2007 at 10:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I know that more than a few undocumented workers AND illegal immigrants have returned to their country voluntarily for many reasons...increased enforcement, bad economy, loss of employment.

Even though it has been asked before, my sincere question is this... what will happen to our workforce, who will do these jobs? How will their leaving affect the cost of goods?

Can someone please provide a realistic answer/solution...?

Posted by kyliepoo007 on November 2, 2007 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think the bottom line here is why should we house illegal immigrants with our tax payers dollars? Why not just send them back to whatever country they came from? The article is about illegal immigrants in our jail and prison systems. Sending them back to were they came from might lighten the crowding in our already overcrowded jails and prisons.

Posted by SomeonesSister on November 2, 2007 at 10:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree that a Deported Illegal Immigrant (no matter what Country they migrated from) will likely try to re-enter the USA. I also agree that many will succeed. But I would much rather spend my Hard Earned Tax Dollars on Saleries for those attempting to Secure our Borders, and for those who Investigate & Clean Up Crime.

I would rather we deport the Criminals again and again, than to Coddle them in our Jails.

Posted by daze805 on November 2, 2007 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Kyliepoo, I agree somewhat. Crowded prisons are another part of this bigger complex problem with no easy solution.

Posted by teesdin on November 2, 2007 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"I would rather we deport the Criminals again and again, than to Coddle them in our Jails."

Well put :-)
Our border protection efforts are beyond pathetic. I don't blame the border partrol, I blame our government for a lack of funding, disregard for voter's wishes and blatantly ignoring the issue and assuming the voting public will do the same. We aren't.

I too would much rather my tax dollars went to border protection, at the same time as we deport each and every one of the illegal immigrants in this country. And then KEEP them out once and for all.

Posted by FedUp on November 2, 2007 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Daze - there are so many american citizens on welfare who we could put to work in the fields, the restaurants, etc. we can use minimum risk prisoners to work in the fields. sort of a new "chain gang" type of deal. we have hundreds of thousands of high school aged kids who can work as busboys, dishwashers. you know. the same people who did those jobs 10-20 years ago.
dont act like sending 30 million immigrants back to their homeland is going to cause a gigantic economic problem. we have people here who can do the work. the problem is those jobs were taken by illegals who will do it for $.50 per hour less.
start punishing the businesses who hire illegals.

and dont even get me started on the outsourcing of jobs to china and india. a whole nother can o worms.

until we have decent border protection put in place, this problem will continue. it needs to happen both to the south, and the north.

Posted by kyliepoo007 on November 2, 2007 at 11:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I dont feel we should send all illegal immigrants back. We should send illegal immigrants who are criminals and who are sponging off our systems. Not all illegal immigrants are here for us to take care of them, they want to work, have freedom and opportunities like we do. Some of us America citizens have families that are illegal married,and who now have children. Should we send them back, away from their children because there children are americans and they are not. Its not as black and white as some people think and believe. For those who are begaving like criminals, living in our prisons and jails, sponging off our systesm, yes send them back, I dont feel they deserve to be here.

Posted by Brittanicus on November 2, 2007 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The "Rule of Law" must be respected, including the provisions of the 1986 Simpson/Mazzoli bill? Enforcement in the workplace was one of the provisions. Illegal employers should start looking over their shoulder, because citizens are using their eyes and ears to report suspicious practices. This is a nationwide occurence so no business that hires foreign nationals is safe anymore.

The states of Arizona, Missouri, Oklahoma and Georgia have enacted harsh illegal immigration laws, so illegal aliens are fleeing the states. Kansas is likely to be next in proposing rigid legislation. The media has reported that their are mass exoduses fleeing from these states. Sanctuary cities are under bombardment by Congress, to stop the infiltration of foreign nationals and are likely to enact laws to strip federal funds from these cities.

More and more people are waking up to the silent occupation of illegal undocumented persons, of which the Heritage Foundation estimates to be 20 million plus.

Anti-illegal immigration grassroot organizations are gaining momentum within the U.S. population. They have seen the degraded hospitals, schools and even the prison system. This has become a war and if we do not win it, the future of America is in peril. We can no longer afford to support foreign wars and the migration of foreign peoples. It is time to look after our own. We stopped THE DREAM ACT for now, for our own children. We stopped the comprehensive immigration Amnesty. We must keep on winning.

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Do not let the globalist's win.

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Posted by daze805 on November 2, 2007 at 11:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Let's be realistic. Do you think the millions on welfare will work in the fields? I doubt highly that they would.

Ok, I can see the prisoners doing a lot of these jobs. So why havent they done it yet? Businesses would pay even less or next to nothing to the inmates..., aren't depressed wages a big part of the anti-illegal argument?

Also, I think you mean that it was 30-40 years ago that kids did these jobs. Seems like a lot work in retail now... I haven't seen kids working at restaurants for a long long time.

This isn't a situation that just developed overnight, it has taken many years in the making. You can blame the corporations, political parties, but don't blame little Joe Worker who works and sends money back to his family living in poverty...

Posted by sokol_kiev on November 2, 2007 at 11:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Daze805, your question of 'what will happen to our workforce, who will do these jobs' is a valid one to ask. However, by eliminating illegal immigration and no longer having illegal aliens out in the fields picking our crops, serving our food in restaurants, servicing our hotel rooms, etc., the ONLY impact will be that it will force the farmers and hotel & restaurant owners to hire only American citizens and legal immigrants and also force them to pay a fair living wage... versus the depressed wages they are currently paying to illegal aliens which only serves to line the greedy owners' pockets with more profits. Bottom line, you crack down on employers and get them to stop hiring illegal aliens and they will have no choice but to go back to paying a fair living wage to their employees. And there are plenty of Americans and legal immigrants who will happily do these jobs. Just look at the series of meat-packing plants which have been raided by ICE over the past year or so. Each time ICE has made one of these raids, rounding up and deporting the illegal aliens who were illegally working at these plants, the very next day there have been hundreds of Americans and legal immigrants lining up to fill those job positions.

And for your second question… it has been proven time and again that not having illegal aliens picking our crops, serving our food, etc. will have anything other than an extremely minimal increase in the cost of goods. Those that are throwing out the "our cost for a head of lettuce is going to dramatically increase w/o illegal immigrants picking our crops" is nothing but pure and intentional fear-mongering, and not based on fact.

Posted by FedUp on November 2, 2007 at 11:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Daze - 16 years ago, I received my first paying "offical" job. I was a dishwasher at CMH. I worked with one older (like, really old) mexican man. the rest of us were HS aged kids, or kids in college. A lot of my friends worked as busboys around town. it really was not that long ago that HS kids were doing these jobs.
granted, the kids these days think they are too good for these jobs. they do need to be reminded that they are not too good for them. they do need a kick in the behind. most of the kids working retail these days are useless. too many strict laws though, prevent the easy firing of workers today. (sorry, a little off topic)

and I agree with Sokol_kiev. they are right about the minimal impact on the cost of crops.

Posted by daze805 on November 2, 2007 at 11:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well correct me if I am wrong, but I have yet to hear or see news of "hundreds of Americans and legal immigrants lining up to fill those job positions". Can you please send a link or cite an example?

Well there are many opinions but I agree these people are being exploited, corporate bigwigs are making millions, and the problem is not being solved.

Honestly, I wouldn't want to be out there doing these jobs...however, being a family man I have empathy for those that make sacrifices, work hard, and struggle to make ends meet.

steve, perhaps you are right, but I'm trying to stay realistic. Welfare system is also broken.....whole other topic though.

Posted by daze805 on November 2, 2007 at 12:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

By the way, personally, I enjoy hearing about the solutions and would also like to see some sort of resolution, not just debate and rhetoric.

Too bad the folks in charge don't....

Posted by Equitable_Enforcer on November 2, 2007 at 12:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks to the Star for the article. It was objective and factual. It did not try to point fingers nor to make excuses for those who have broken our immigration laws. This is the kind of reporting many on this site have asked for in the past. Good job, Star.

Aggressive and timely deportation to home country would help to relieve jail overcrowding. The problem here is that our borders remain porous. We must do whatever it takes to keep the criminal deportees on the other side of our borders. It would seem that once the borders are under control, we could make better decisions regarding those illegal immigrants who are already here. I am not comfortable in granting anmesty or special consideration to anybody until the influx of illegal immigration has been halted dead in its tracks.

One point in the article that stands out is that illegal immigrant criminals, especially if non-English speakers, tend to prey on folks within their own communities. Deporting illegal immigrant criminals is a good thing for those who may be here illegally, but who choose to obey our laws and make an effort to contribute.

If in fear of retaliation, you can report crime in your community anonymously. Call the Crime Stopper bi-lingual tip line at (805) 385-8255. If an arrest results from your tip, you will be eligible for a reward up to $1,000.

Posted by FedUp on November 2, 2007 at 12:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Daze - I dont see American citizens lining up for these jobs either. however, it does not mean I would not like to see those on goverment assistance forced to do jobs like these.
the problem is, we are no longer a govermnent "for the people, by the people". we are now a government that is run by big business, corporate america. and those are the ones who want cheap labor, and could care less about who they are exploiting, because their bank accounts and assets continue to grow.

Posted by wdwinder1 on November 2, 2007 at 12:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BTW, for those of you who like to call illegal immigrants 'undocumented workers', you are making the assumption (and generalization) that they all work. They are not all workers. So I guess even the most PC of us out there is generalizing.

Posted by luv2sail on November 2, 2007 at 12:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As for securing the border, this can be done and has been done in other Countries. Pat of my Family was trapped behing the Iron Curtain, a much larger border than ours, and few people ever got across it.

Posted by daze805 on November 2, 2007 at 12:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So you're advocating a Communist-like control of our borders? What a harsh and inhumane solution.

Posted by SomeonesSister on November 2, 2007 at 1:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"To kyliepoo007----You Said: "Not all illegal immigrants are here for us to take care of them, they want to work, have freedom and opportunities like we do. Some of us America citizens have families that are illegal married, and who now have children. Should we send them back, away from their children because there children are americans and they are not".

******RE: "Not all illegal immigrants are here for us to take care of them". Who do you think is taking care of them if they are not here legally? They may be either not working at all, holding a Job "Illegally" that an otherwise "LEGAL Citizen" would hold, or perhaps even receiving some sort of "Governmental Assistance" like Wellfare in order to take care of themselves & their Children born here.

All LEGAL CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES WHO PAY TAXES ARE THE GOVERNMENT. We "Tax Payers" ARE taking care of those who enter this Country Illegally and accept ANY FORM of Governmental Assistance including by not limited to Housing, Medical and Financial.

Being "Illegal Married" as you say... is just that! If they came here Legally... it wouldn't be a problem... This land has opportunities for ALL WHO ABIDE BY THE LAW... Seems Simple to me.

We have Immigration Laws that provide for those who wish to enter this country Legally. Why REWARD those who have succeeded in breaking our Immigration Laws for years and years by granting them Amnesty? Why insult those who have gone thru our Immigration Process' and Proceedures for the same reason?

And, by the by... I would much rather pay a few extra cents for my Head of Lettace than to risk disease to myself and family because someone doesn't understand or care where it is acceptable to relieve themselves.

Send any Immigration Law Breaker back to their homeland. Give them the opportunity apply for Legal Citizenship. They can leave their children here with loving families or take them with them. It may sound harsh.... But it is what it is.

Posted by daze805 on November 2, 2007 at 1:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Someone, understood your viewpoint except for the lettuce statement... sorry, you lost me there.

Posted by FedUp on November 2, 2007 at 1:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

they are implying thata field workers relieve themselves where they please. sometimes in the fields, sometimes in the warehouses where the crops are shipped from. 20/20 has done stories on stuff like this.
the one thing that truly scares me about illegal immigrants is: disease. legal immigrants are supposed to be getting inoculated prior to being let in to the US. illegals who come and go as they please do not get checked for any diseases. why do you think cases of Hep C are on the rise.
I heard last week that AIDS was brought here in 1969 by an immigrant. never did hear if they were legal or illegal. if it was an illegal, do you think it might have been caught??? who knows. but that kinda stuff scares me.

Posted by kyliepoo007 on November 2, 2007 at 2:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LOL..........Someones sister.Take it easy. I didnt say they all want to come here for us to support them. I said not all of them want us to support. Im sorry but you are harsh, I wouldn't want to be seperated from a parent because they are an illegal. The lettuce thing is pretty funny though, as if only illegal immigrants relieve themselves were it is not acceptable. If you are worried, wash the lettuce throughly before you eat it..........

Posted by meblondie138 on November 2, 2007 at 2:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Some drink their own urine to stay alive in extreme conditions. At least we know it won't necessarily KILL you... who knows what it will actually do though....

Posted by KC on November 2, 2007 at 2:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You know what's funny? check out the third comment by tinacristy01 who was making fun of the above poster's spelling. I just find it funny that tina spelled "hahaha" as "jajaja" while making a spelling comment. Awesome.

Posted by kyliepoo007 on November 2, 2007 at 2:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hahahaha I was wondering was JaJaJa meant........thanks KC

Posted by SomeonesSister on November 2, 2007 at 2:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

kyliepoo007---Although it is not, nor was it my intention to offend you, or anyone else for that matter. I think not only did you miss my specific points, but I don't think you read my response or statement very carefully.

In my view, an immigrant who intends to stand solely and proudly on their own two feet, and become an asset to society, will go thru the proper process and procedure to obtain legal citizenship. Anything less than that is considered unacceptable and unlawful in my eyes and obviously in the eyes of the United States Government. Anything less than that in my eyes, deserves no special dispensation and I for one am tired of paying the price and footing the bill.

And as far as the lettuce comment goes... yes I agree... it is getting to be a funny subject... on the verge of being rediculas...I might add. Though allegedly, and as some have even stated herein, only illegal immigrants will take the job of a field worker...so who else is doing the dirty deed? And in case you aren't aware, some diseases cannot be simply washed away.

Posted by Equitable_Enforcer on November 2, 2007 at 2:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

FedUp makes a powerful point regarding disease. A close relative was involved with booking an illegal immigrant into jail several weeks ago. The person was drunk and trying to pick a fight. The responding officer offered to pay for a cab to return the guy to his labor camp. He was then picking strawberries. Instead of accepting the offer, he tried to fight the officer. He was apprehended and transported to jail where he was booked. The problem? At the jail, documents were found on him that indicated he had active TB and was considered to be contageous. Thus, the officer was exposed during apprehension and the car ride to jail. Booking personnel were similarly exposed. This is but one example of the problem. How many more are there in our own county?

Posted by daze805 on November 2, 2007 at 2:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh no! Disease infested lettuce caused by the illegals!! Please... can't you make a better argument than that. Try washing your fruits and vegetables, and you should be fine.

FEDUP is that what really scares you? Sounds like the government's fear tactics are working. If you are that worried about the cost of these products and the drain on the economy try growing your own fruits and vegetables...

One more thing which seems ironic, if you have inmates doing the field work, aren't you going to be paying more tax money to have these same illegal immigrants work the fields as inmates? Hmmm

Posted by FedUp on November 2, 2007 at 3:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I dont recall saying I was worried about getting diseases from vegetables. and if you think I am being paranoid, read what TimeArrow wrote about an illegal who was recently arrested in our own county!
and I dont see the point in paying inmates working the fields the same wages they pay the illegals right now. $.25 an hour sounds fine to me. the farmers can make more money this way, and they can stop whining to the government to support them when we have a dry or extra wet season.

Posted by SomeonesSister on November 2, 2007 at 3:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Even though I believe we are getting TOTALLY Off Subject... And this is the last I am going to address this issue... For those of you who are in need of clarity... the term Lettuce (as far as I am concerned) was used as a representation all fruits and vegetables processed, handeled, and Contaminated by field workers in the farms of our Country.

If a simple washing would magically make the disease disappear, then why all the RECALLS of Pre-Washed Spinach, Strawberries, and a whole laundry list of other fruits and vegetables over the past couple years?

Why weren't we simply told.... "oh yes, these products are contaminated with a deadly virus and/or disease... but just wash them and you should be fine" ! ! !

Posted by daze805 on November 2, 2007 at 3:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Does .25 an hour cover the cost to feed and house these inmates?

Posted by FedUp on November 2, 2007 at 3:36 p.m.

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Posted by daze805 on November 2, 2007 at 3:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Another paranoid assumption by FedUP. This time you outdid yourself!! Statements like that make you lose any small bit of crediblity you may think you had.

Let me guess...we all look alike too!

Posted by daze805 on November 2, 2007 at 3:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I guess I should be offended, but it did make me chuckle...you need to get out more.

HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND!

Posted by FedUp on November 2, 2007 at 3:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am really not too concerned about credibility on an anonymous forum. and I would not consider it being paranoid. but since you are obviously ok with lawbreakers, I figured you are one yourself.

Posted by SomeonesSister on November 2, 2007 at 3:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

daze- As far as I know...Inmates who have earned the privilege to work, are paid a Pre-determined Government Rate. What that is, I don't know... but We Tax Payers already cover their room and board. Looks like a win/win situation to me so long and the inmates are deemed clean and clear of any and all illness and disease. Bus them out to the farm in the morning and bus them back to the jail house in the evening. And I bet they would appreciate the time outside in the fresh air while getting a little exercize as well.

Posted by carluchi22000 on November 2, 2007 at 4:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

daze8o5,when the swift meat packing companies such as Swift and the backpack maker in New Bedford Mass.,there were so many Americans who applied for the jobs the companies had to turn many away. As for the cost of lettuce,labor is approximately %10 of that. At the typical rate in the California lettuce fields of $10.00 you would have to pay a worker $600.00 per hour to make the head of lettuce go to 10.35 per head. Do the math.

Posted by carluchi22000 on November 2, 2007 at 4:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I need to make a correction:I meant $10.00 per hour and the base price of lettuce before the $590.00 raise of $1.50 per head

Posted by elgavacho on November 2, 2007 at 4:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jajaja=spanish way of saying hahaha.

Posted by opfor2 on November 2, 2007 at 6:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by J4846 on November 2, 2007 at 7:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey hats off to the Star!!!

Finally an unbiased report on illegal immigration! From all of the other Star articles I have read I thought that every illegal immigrant was a hardworking Latino. So You’re your telling me that some of the illegal immigrants don’t obey our laws? Wow that is crazy.

Star, you have seemed to turn the corner! Please keep reporting the truth and don’t make this issue into a racist thing. Remember, all illegal aliens are not Latino, and not all illegal aliens are hard working honest people. Our borders are a major problem for the security of our country. Economically, we can’t be a welfare state for the rest of the world. Socially, we have to have our people obey our laws, or what’s the point of having them.

Just like Abraham Lincoln said. A nation without its borders, is no nation at all.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on November 2, 2007 at 7:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

daze805 ,There are alot that would do the job! Get the ones off of welfare and get them to work ! Welfare for a healthy person should only be for a certain amount of time then they get cut off of it. Jobs are there and they can do them. Let the prisoners do the job. They can get credit for the time they do work and the growers can pay the government. Next question: How will them leaving effect us and all.... well we would pay less taxes ! We wouldn't have to have as many schools, save money on medical, food stamps etc. I would rather pay more for fruits and vegtables then pay the higher tax's. Then I would have a choice in the matter. Farming goes way back......it worked well back then.
FedUp ,ok we think alike. I posted this before I read yours !
kyliepoo007 ,Yes but as a nation we NEED to know who is living in our country . Especially after 9/11. With illegals we really do not know who all lives here. Were in a limbo. I agree its sad to separate families. But we have to draw a line somewhere to protect our country.
KC ,I was wondering what jajaja meant ! LOL

Posted by AnnaWhaat on November 2, 2007 at 7:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

FedUp ,sorry but I liked my idea better about the inmates working. Let them work off part of thier time. We save from reducing the prison population and paying them .25 cents a hour would cost the government money, thats us ! Someone has to bus them there each day ,stay and guard. etc. Make the employer pay and then the government gets the money.
SomeonesSister ,I agree about the hand washing. There is no way just water will kill the disease. And who wants to soap down thier food???? That wont work.
SomeonesSister ,Another good point about the prisons. I would suggest jails. The rate of disease hepititis, among a few is one if the biggest things in prison. Its not a clean place. Lets go with the jail inmates.
elgavacho,Thankyou! That makes sense!
I have alot of opinions on illegal immigration. I think everyone should apply! Those that have been in the country here for ten years plus and have paid taxes should be at the front of the line. Maybe even pay the fines and stay. Those that are married to an american citizen should get citizenship. This should all be done within a certain time frame. Those that can not prove they have lived here or paid tax's need to be deported then try to apply. Just my opinion............
If someone has been here for twenty years I just cant see sending them to Mexico or wherever if they have paid tax's and not committed crimes.Sorry wouldn't all fit !

Posted by daze805 on November 2, 2007 at 8:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

FedUp, So is this how the anti-illegal debate works? You have nothing more constructive to add so you resort to personal attacks, pathetic.... just like your reasoning. It's narrow minded people like you that ruin our country. Is it so hard to stick to the subject? Did you run out of your biased rhetoric?

I bet you would like to stay anonymous, you wouldn't want your co-workers or neighbors to know about your racist views.

Posted by daze805 on November 2, 2007 at 8:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Anna, you are late for that welfare debate...try and keep up. You are actually asking for less schools? You said "We wouldn't have to have as many schools". WOW! So you think our children need less education and less schooling?

See what I mean about keeping the discussion realistic and civil? Not hard to see what side of this issue the hate and ignorance comes from... This is why the problem can't be fixed.

Carluchi, thanks for the info. I will look into this story...

BTW who said anything about lettuce going up to 10.35? I don't even like salad!

Posted by dpennock on November 2, 2007 at 9:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Solve jail over-crowding overnight with a 20% reduction in population--the illegals. The law is the law.

Posted by daze805 on November 2, 2007 at 9:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Some of you have very valid concerns, remove the personal attacks, be reasonable and realistic, and maybe some positive debate and discussion can be had.

Posted by Colorblind on November 3, 2007 at 5:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

So we know how we feel about the 20% of the total jail population being "removable" but what are we going to do about 80% who are either citizens or legal immigrants?

Posted by AnnaWhaat on November 3, 2007 at 8:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

daze805, If we didn't have sooooooo many illegals in the school system we wouldn't need to continue to build schools and add tax's to the legal tax payers ! Is that better for you? But since you have all the answers , Why should I bother to suggest anything..........

Posted by SomeonesSister on November 3, 2007 at 1:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

AnnaWhaat---I very much agree with your way of thinking on many issues.

Just a puzzling side note regarding the Ventura County School System~~~ Park View Elementary School (of which I attended some 45 years ago) recently had a run-in with many of the "Neighborhood Residents" regarding the "Marqee" being removed and re-hung written in SPANISH--- They have since changed it back rightfully so, and the Marqee AGAIN is written in English.

There is also an extremely high percentage of the children attending this School Who Cannot Speak English (neither can their Parents--the spoken language is Spanish)--- Albeit sad, It's hard for me to believe it to be true in this day and age.... I wonder why that is and are we not catering ? ?

I also wonder why over the past few years it seems, that everything I purchase, from Mayonaise to Clothing, to Fast Food and beyond, has it's Label written in Both English & Spanish... My guess is that either the majority of our illegal immigrants are of spanish decent or those who aren't, think it wise to learn the language.... Any thoughts?

I believe in the Bill of Rights~~I believe in the Constitution~~I believe in being a hard working family oriented individual who follows the laws, pays my taxes and who Speaks English.

I also believe in Freedom of Speach--so remember everyone...this is my opinion and not ment to offend~~~

You have the right to your opinion as well.

Posted by kelly13 on November 3, 2007 at 8:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Anyone who tries to make our problems with illegals into a race issue has to ask themselves why a certain group of people come to mind when you think of the word illegal. Who do we see on tv and in the news demonstating and demanding more free benefits at our expense? What flag are they proudly waving? What group of people are trying to say this is their state? Who are the people we see everyday? Is this racial profiling or being observant? Or is it just a fact? If anyone doesn't like the way they are thought of, it is pretty easy to change the way you behave. Go by the laws and show some respect.
Anyone who thinks that illegals do the jobs that Americans won't do needs to travel out of California and see what the rest of the US looks like. You have college kids, teenagers, grandparents, and plain old hard working people doing a damn good job with a lot less problems than we have out here.
I don't know what kind of job you have but I have worked hard all my life and came from a family of coalminers, farmers,and hard working legal citizens that never took a handout their entire lives and never made a demand that anyone else take care of them either. They obeyed the law and had respect for their country and other people.
If any one group of people are to be labeled the hard workers here, it sure isn't the illegal who steals benefits from us. It is the legal tax paying citizen that takes care of his family and supports millions of illegals who have no right to be here in the first place. And show little respect for what we give them. Respect is something you earn, not demand.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on November 3, 2007 at 8:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WHY is it that you have at least and Im guessing about a 80% better chance of landing a job if your bilingual??????? Yes our jobs are being taken away. And yes I am tired of having to press 1 to hear this message in English !!!!!!!!!

Posted by AnnaWhaat on November 4, 2007 at 4:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

CIBEACHNOT,Good one! We agree on something! Have a nice weekend!

Posted by SomeonesSister on November 4, 2007 at 8:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Outstanding ! ! It is refreshing to hear there are others out there who feel similarly to the way I do regarding this topic. I AM a humanitarian, and I believe in the right to live a healthy, fulfilling and prosperous life, but “Not on the backs of others” and “Not from the pockets of others”. The attitudes of many people out in the world today make me sick to my stomach.

And yes, AnnaWhaat… you are right, jobs are being taken away from the Citizens of the US simply because of a “Language Barrier“. A burden that “we citizens” should not have to bare. I know two Very Intelligent, Licensed & Degreed young ladies who recently were severely limited to their Teaching Opportunities “Because neither of them speak Spanish”. They both were forced to take jobs at small, and less paying “Private Schools” because of it. SHAME, SHAME on those responsible ! !

I am currently “trying” to learn Spanish, but let me tell you… at my age “it ain’t easy” ! And the fact of the matter is-- “I shouldn’t have to”. I’ve worked hard ALL OF MY ADULT LIFE, starting at the age of 17. I pay my taxes and I raised my family (like you) as a single mother, which isn’t an easy task.

It frightens me to see the road the USA is traveling and in my view, the only way we have a *slim chance of changing it, is at the “POLLS”. It will take People who feel the way we do, to force the issues onto the Ballots. And you’ll certainly see me at the Polls !

* I say “slim chance“ because I believe the Politicians of today have their own agenda and CATER !

Posted by daze805 on November 4, 2007 at 5:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ok, now you got me started.... on the language thing...

You should learn more than 1 language if you want to stay competitive in today's globalized economy. As long as this country has not made English an official language, Spanish should be taught in Schools...or at least another practical language. Instead of goofing off in High School French, maybe you should have taken Spanish and you would be a better employee for your company.

I know I have benefited from knowing 3 languages, and will do even better when I finish learning my 4th...sign language.

Get over it, already. Do you think little Ventura County is the first place to start using 2 languages? That is pretty arrogant to think that English is the only language spoken on Earth or that it should be the only language spoken. In many schools in Mexico, learning English is mandatory. German, French and Japanese is optional. Japan/China/India teach English...resulting in multilingual employees and companies. Why should a company pay a person who is less-skilled more money? That is what a person is who only knows 1 language, less skilled than a bilingual person. It's not a "takeover" or "invasion", it's simply business...no hard feelings.

CIBEACHNOT, yes a company in Mexico will pay more money to an employee who speaks English. In fact, most office/professional jobs require that a person speak good English.

SS, nothing wrong with expressing your opinion. Positive, respectful debate is what freedom of speech allows...Hope your Spanish lessons go well!

Posted by daze805 on November 4, 2007 at 5:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My opinion as to why many immigrants (legal and illegal) don't "learn" English...and since the discussion is about immigrants from Latin American countries...

SURPRISE!!! Many do speak English. I have come in contact with very very few immigrants who do not know English. The problem is that due to shyness, embarassment, and fear of being made fun of....they don't speak it. You see, many immigrants are discriminated in their country, not based on race but rather class and social status. Many are embarassed to speak English, for fear of being looked down upon for mispronouncing a word or sounding foolish... but many attempt to learn English and realize the importance of it.

However, if a store or bank finds that it's easier to do business with them...they cater to them and then this becomes a crutch. This is especially the case in places with huge communities of one language...ever heard of Koreatown, Chinatown (LA,SF,NY) or Miami?

Simple economics if you ask me...

Quite frankly, many of the posts above indicate this superior arrogant attitude towards new-comers and those who are different.

Have we moved passed the civil rights era and entered a new era where we discriminate based on economic and social status?? I hope not.

Posted by ironwoman on November 4, 2007 at 6:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There's a border for a reason.

Posted by ironwoman on November 4, 2007 at 6:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There's immigration laws for a reason.

Posted by ironwoman on November 4, 2007 at 6:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There is Border Patrol for a reason.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on November 4, 2007 at 7:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

SomeonesSister,Your exactly right!!!!!
daze805,NO I disagree !!!! You should not have to learn another language to get a job your just as well qualified for and someone who knows two!!!! This is the USA..............
Actually I do know Sign lanquage....so I guess I know 2 or two and half. Because my spanish is pretty good..........not exactly fluent......But understandable....But it shouldn't take the jobs away from my kids who are not able to speak both!
Dont get me started !!!!!!!

Arrogant???? Ya gotta be kidding. My philipino sister in-law learned English with-in the first year !!!!!!!! And she uses it.

Posted by kelly13 on November 4, 2007 at 8:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Learning a second language is an assest to anyone who chooses to do it for their own personal reasons but if we only speak English we shouldn't be penalized. And we should be able to go in town and order a hamburger or read a sign.
The thing that bothers me the most is the waste of money and paper that is put into things like the phone books. We are forced to have twice as big a phone book as we need because we are forced to have the Spanish version and the English version. Couldn't they print a Spanish version and give them to people that want them?
If I go to Home Depot and get a brochure for a new bathroom cabinet, I have a large booklet because it is in English and repeated in Spanish. Couldn't they have a Spanish and English brochure available and let us choose?
I think one of the reasons so many people don't learn English is because they don't have to. They can go to work, to the store, or wherever they want and get along just fine. I don't think this is helping the situation. In places like were mentioned before..Chinatown,etc...I understand and expect the language of that community to be used. No problem. But don't send me a Chinese phone book and waste more paper and money on something I don't need.

Posted by daze805 on November 5, 2007 at 4:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Anna, Plain and simple... kids will fall behind and be at a disadvantage when they enter the business world if not taught a second language. Pick up the Business section of any newspaper and see how Ventura County is part of a bigger global economy. You don't think its mandatory?? Then why is a Foreign Language class mandatory in High School?

Pretending it isn't important or ignoring it won't make it go away. I hope children are ready for the changing business climate and increased globalization... I know mine will be.

Posted by spokenit on November 5, 2007 at 7:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

With all that said daze805 wouldnt it be in the best interest of the legal children living here to be required to start Spanish as soon as they enter kindergarten? It is at unfair advantage that this doesnt happen. High school is to late for some to learn it. I really dont think its about the race of people that aggravate most of us. Its the way they treat the system and anything else in their deserving way. The only illegal race that seems to be over running, rudely pushing their way to the hand out line is the Mexicans. I am thinking if they were more like the rest of the illegals that really do come here to better themselves and their families, with honest, respect, and a smile once in awhile oh yah and dont forget the topic, our county jails as their own hotels, they wouldnt be in the radar.

Posted by Ventuckey on November 5, 2007 at 7:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

daze805, it's not mandatory to take a foreign language class in high school. Look it up.

Posted by daze805 on November 5, 2007 at 7:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Spoke, "Mexican" is a nationality not a race or language. Yes learning Spanish earlier would be good, but try convnincing some of these folks that it would be beneficial.

Vent, I stand corrected. I didn't think anyone took Visual or Performing Arts that seriously, sorry.

Posted by SomeonesSister on November 5, 2007 at 7:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

daze805-- I am old, but I haven't lost my mind just yet... or at least I don't think I have =')...... but as far as I am aware, English had been deemed the "Universal Language" --Globally-- many years ago, and "That's" why it's "Mandatory" to learn English by all other Countries Citizens. This is so that "They" will succeed in business and travel.

Anyone... Please correct me if I am wrong.

And thank you for the support in learning Spanish. It's not an easy language to master. (oh yes, I forgot... if English is a Mandatory Language to be learned in Mexico as a child... can you explain why there are so many Mexican children here who don't speak English? And why are there so many Mexican adults here under the age of 30 who don't speak English either?) Just wondering.

Posted by kelly13 on November 5, 2007 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

SomeonesSister...the reason there are so many people here who don't speak English is because they don't have to. We cater to their every need. We have Spanish radio, tv, newspapers, and all the community to make sure no one has to learn English.
I have friends that have lived here for 30 years and don't speak a word of English. They don't have to. It's Southern California.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on November 5, 2007 at 9:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ventuckey ,Thanks I thought they dropped that long ago....BUT wasn't sure!

It may be beneficial......But when it comes to getting a job it is racist if you ask me ! Thats why are jobs are being taken over by illegals!!!!
Wake up!

Desdave, Please take someonesister and write it in spanish......I would really like to believe you do know it.... its 9:30 lets see how long it takes ya!

Posted by Ventuckey on November 5, 2007 at 10:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Anna, I agree with you. It's discrimination if I can't get a job because I don't speak spanish. One thing I am noticing more and more of is the spanish language before english or replacing it completely. I went to the t-mobile store the other day in 'the nard' and they only had spanish brochures out, I had to ask for an english one! Same thing with the Bank of America out there, all their signs read spanish first in large type, english secondary in smaller type. A lot of billboards in Oxnard are also spanish only! What a joke!

Posted by AnnaWhaat on November 5, 2007 at 10:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tell me about it! Went to the DMV and couldn't even find a handbook to study in ENGLISH! unreal!
Then I got a bill in the mail from a dental group and it was completely in spanish!!!! I gave them a call........

Posted by Fred on November 5, 2007 at 12:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think that most people agree that the current system is not working. Can we not arrange a guest worker system that allows people to legally enter the country for a limited time for jobs that will enable them to send money home.

We can then exclude serious criminal elements. I also think that the whole anchor baby thing should go - many countries have a policy that you are a citizen of your parent country, not "get into the states and drop a baby". There must be a more rational system than the current insane one - we all pay for illegal immigrant health care, emergency room visits, etc. The politicians need to find a better way to manage this problem that will be up front to all

Posted by SomeonesSister on November 5, 2007 at 2:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fred--isn't one of our many objectives to keep the jobs open and available to those who live in our Country Legally and two, to keep the Money flowing within our Countries Boundaries to make it stronger and reduce the deficit?

Just a thought...

Posted by spokenit on November 5, 2007 at 3:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

daze805 I stand corrected...

Posted by spokenit on November 5, 2007 at 3:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I state again that they should have a early learning classes for the nonspeaking spanish children. If you dont want your child enrolled then dont enroll him/her. I would have enrolled all of mine! We have friends up north that have their children in a school that does offer this,, their children are not only learning spanish at kindergarten age easily it is greatly going to help them in the furture. It isnt about hate people its about having as many tools in this life to get ahead and do the best you can. Have you ever wonder why the USA does not mandate another language for our children to learn? Every other country learns English and can understand english but we sit there looking at them stupidly when they speak their own language and we cant understand them. Wouldnt it benefit all of us? It seems to me the people that can speak and understand different languages other then their own, have not only a more interesting life but do better YES in the job world. But wasn't this article about immigrants in jail? Now thats wrong,, wasting my tax paying money on them.

Posted by SomeonesSister on November 5, 2007 at 7:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

spokenit-- if I moved to another Country, I would assuredly learn the language of that Country simply out of self preservation and respect for their people... But while I live in my own Country, and even though I have chosen to try to learn Spanish when "I Shouldn't Have To", as previously stated, I think I will refrain from learning those languages of other Immigrants such as Japanese, Chinese, Italian, French, German, Armenian, Etc., Etc., while I remain living in the USA. I can communicate with them just fine in ENGLISH.

And this issue IS about Illegal Immigrants. The banter simply evolved, pinpointing many individual subjects within the Illegal Immigrants issue.

And assure you, I live a very fulfilled life even without knowing any other language other than my own. But you do have the right to your own opinion, and I certainly respect that.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on November 6, 2007 at 4:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ok I guess someone deleted my challenge... its all good........
My Brother knows at least five lanquages fluently! I know two and half..........The best time for a childs little brain is in the toddler age they soak up everything..........
In the second grade the teacher said my son was struggling......so it may be better to put him in a non -bilinqual class. Which is what I did ! And his homework improved!!!! But to each thier own!

Posted by spokenit on November 6, 2007 at 8:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

someonessister,, I am not saying that the spanish speaking people should not learn English to live here. I was just stating that I think it would a good Idea if the people who only speak english learn spanish also But not that it is mandatory. I would love for my children to have been taught spanish at an earlier age then high school. As you certainly respect my ipinion I also respect yours also.