Posted by dcsfancy on December 14, 2007 at 5:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

let the dogs express themselves. camarilloians are becoming too uptight

Posted by AnaCapa on December 14, 2007 at 7:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"humane destruction" of the animal".
Why is it that humans solve problems by killing it. Most problems with animals are caused by humans, but the animal has to pay with its life.

Posted by svwl on December 14, 2007 at 7:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I live in Camarillo and I disagree with this motion. The original law was in place to prevent one rogue neighbor with a bee in their bonnet from complaining about all of the dogs that surround them. If the law changes there will be a higher occurrence of people who just don't like dogs complaining so that all of the dogs in their neighborhood will be humanely disposed (read 'murdered').

Posted by cowchip on December 14, 2007 at 7:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Where I live where there is CONSTANT noise from our neighbor's barking dog. We routinely are awakened in the middle of the night by this barking. It's amazing to me how some people just ignore their animal's noise and let it bother the whole neighborhood. I wouldn't want the dog to be killed, but I am happy about this change in policy. If you have a barking dog, please be considerate of other people and shut the damn thing up!

Posted by svwl on December 14, 2007 at 8:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Cowchip, I understand that it is uncomfortable and it feels like it shouldn't be your duty, but have you ever approached the owners of the dogs and asked them to quiet their animals? I think that is a positive first step toward taking care of the noise without getting authorities involved. It seems that the changed law will make it easier for people to complain without ever communicating with their neighbors themselves. That just causes us to have more distance from our neighbors (not the physical kind) which will breed even more animosity.
If you live in a neighborhood and one of your neighbors is bothering you, don't you have some responsibility as a civilized adult to approach them yourself instead of depending on a third party?

Posted by surfmedic91 on December 14, 2007 at 8:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

cowchip, us dog owners understand your complaint. Most dog owners are responsible. It's the ones that allow their dogs to bark continuously that are the problem. It isn't the dog's fault. They're trying to communicate but no one is listening. My dog and the many dogs my neighbors own bark for a good reason.

How about a "child screaming" or "unruly child" ordinance while in public places?

Posted by guerodrex on December 14, 2007 at 9:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It's called a friggin bark collar people! An easy solution to a simple problem.

Posted by CloudyDaze on December 14, 2007 at 9:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

To guerodrex: A bark collar for the dogs or the people? Actually, they work very well, just too many dog nuts won't even think about putting one on their "dear little family member who can do what it wants" at the neighbors expense...

Posted by mmlove38 on December 14, 2007 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with Cowchip. I reside in Camarillo in a duplex. When I purchased the residence, my neighbors were already residing in the adjacent house with 1 dog. That dog was wonderful. About a year ago, they purchased another dog, a Chihuahua. This dog is untrained, is constantly left alone, and continuously barks. The bad behavior of this dog has now "rubbed off" onto the good dog. The neighbors are constantly leaving the dogs home alone, for about 18 hours a day, and leaving doors open so the dogs can run up and down the streets. The dogs defecate in our yards, bark at us on our own property, and run across the street. They risk themselves getting hurt, killed, or causing an accident possibly injuring an innocent person. I agree it's not the dogs fault. It is the owner who needs to take their dog to training and spend more time with their pets. I am an animal lover and would NEVER wish harm onto an animal. But there is a point when a dog continuously barks while inside of their home, and it can be heard through the adjoining walls. And yes, the neighbor’s have been advised of the constant barking and behavior. And no, moving is not an option. Have you seen the market?! The dogs would make wonderful pets if given to people who would be willing to care for them the right way!

Posted by Ventura22 on December 14, 2007 at 9:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is what civil courts are for. I have seen lousy dog owners dealt with this way in the past. All you need is a half-decent attorney and a good tape recorder. Amazing how the pet owner will silence their nuisance animal when confronted with a civil settlement. It's like magic. Sad that it takes such actions to get some retards to quiet their dogs. Owners shouldn't have to be told by neighbors to keep their pets quiet. If they do, there is something wrong with them and you're no longer dealing with decent, intelligent people.

Posted by cowchip on December 14, 2007 at 9:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

svwl, I know that the best thing to do in most situations would be to approach the owners of the dog; however, in my situation I am extremely reluctant to do so. These particular neighbors are kind-of scary. If they seemed like reasonable people, I would not have a problem speaking to them. Unfortunately, I think that this type of contact could lead to bigger problems than just a barking dog. So, as a civilized adult, I have a problem approaching people who are uncivilized and possibly be dangerous to my family. In this case, a third party is just what is needed.

Posted by mmlove38 on December 14, 2007 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Civil action is not required when there is hopefully (if passed) going to be a viable resolution. I already pay for the service to be rendered and should not have to pay for an attorney or court fees. What would happen if the courts rule the dog is to be turned over to animal control? It's still the same situation; you are just now out of money. An animal being euthanized is the last resort for the animal control division. The animals are usually taken away and the owner is then required to pay the "bail" for the animal (and any other penalties). If the owner fails to claim their animal or relinquishes its rights, then the animal will be placed up for adoption. Where it might get a chance at having a good life. :)
Cowchip's concern over that situation becoming worse is very valid. An anonymous letter being mailed to them might work, or at least give them a hint. Either way, the neighbor's will eventually have the right to know who is making the complaint. Just as criminal court, the suspect has the right to know who is accusing him/her.

Posted by Sweets on December 14, 2007 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It sounds like it's going to be a waste of time, money & energy. I feel sorry for the first family that becomes a victim to this new law! Poor dogs that have poor owners:(

Posted by mmlove38 on December 14, 2007 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sweets, how is the family a victim? If they are "poor owners", then they shouldn't have dogs. We all know that a dog requires much time and love. If most owners would spend the needed time and training with their dogs, then majority of the dogs wouldn't have barking problems. The dogs are the innocent victim's, not the families who don't care about their pet(s).

Posted by surfmedic91 on December 14, 2007 at 10:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'd rather hear barking dogs than kids screaming in stores

Posted by 2KooL4U on December 14, 2007 at 1:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Surfmedic91, Amen to that! Like the mat on my doorstep reads: "Pets Welcome, but your kids must be on a leash!"

Posted by Equitable_Enforcer on December 14, 2007 at 2:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We have two great dogs. Both would bark when somebody passed by on the sidewalk on the other side of the street. I spent roughly $50 at PetSmart for a sonic bark trainer. Weatherproof and looking like a little birdhouse, it is hung next to the front gate. It'll run for at least two months on a 9V battery. It worked wonderfully at the outset. The very first time the dogs ran to the front and started barking, at about the fifth yip, the little Maltese-Poodle turned around and hid in his house and the Tibetan Terrier ran for the downstairs bathroom. Now they let us know if somebody is appraoching, but the barking is under control. By the way, the device can be used with neighbor's dogs as well if placed strategically.

Posted by fungus on December 14, 2007 at 3:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Can we institute "humane destruction" of unruly kids?

Posted by suzyaussie on December 15, 2007 at 5:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ventura22, I agree with you. There are lousy pet owners. Its not the dogs fault. As stated in an earlier post, they are just communicating and no one is listening. I am a HUGH dog lover and the thought of putting a dog down for barking is nothing short of murder!

Posted by Camman on December 16, 2007 at 11:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is wonderful!!! I can not wait to take advantage of this. Yes, I have spoken with my neighbor over the last 7 years and asked them to be more considerate about leaving their large 90lb dog in their backyard which is all of 1000sq. feet with a pool to boot! The reply has always been, "Oh, my dog would never bark like that..."

The problem is they leave their dog outside for the entire weekend when they are away. The dog barks almost non-stop. It's a big, loud dog! Or their kids will keep him outside when the parents are not home and he barks, barks, barks. These owners are just clueless. My house is 10 feet (wall to wall) away from their house.

Camarillo is long overdue for such an ordinance!

I would expect this kind of behavior in a trailor park - not in a neighborhood with homes approaching $1M. Sadly, this trend is indicative of how some folks raise their children - they deny there is a problem (or if there is, it is not their problem - it's the teacher, school, neighbor, you name it) and do not take proactive steps to fix the problem.

Posted by spudman on December 18, 2007 at 7:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I just moved here to Camarillo, where it seems that everybody around me owns a freaking huge dog. Every time I take out my trash, the dogs bark. Everytime I walk in either direction, dogs bark. Sometimes as a bonus, people will leave the gates open and dogs will run out, barking at me and my 5 year old. Since everybody owns a dog, there's no way to complain. This is where the ultra anal-retentative HOAs come in... I'm seriously going that route.

Posted by devilangelhawk on December 18, 2007 at 7:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with most of you. It is ashame that the dogs will have to suffer because their owners are so clueless to their "other family". But we do need an oridenace of this degree. For 3 years, I have been dealing with my neighbor behind me and their barking and HOWLING dogs. If you live in Camarillo, you know sirens and alarms go off often. Well, thats what sets them off. And the do so 24/7. We sent the anonymous letter, we talked personally to them as well. They answered back by yelling at our dogs during the day while they were playing around or playing with me. My dogs bark at night only when someone is to close. But yet, nothing has been done. They still bark and howl at all hours and the owners do nothing. The dogs are amazing and beautiful, but the owners do not care for them properly. They are mangey looking, over weight, over grown nails...they need some serious tlc and new owners!

Posted by justareader on December 18, 2007 at 9:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have to admit - I had a 'barker'. Apparently, everytime we were gone and left him outside, he barked in lonliness. Well, we tried and tried but could not get him to adjust. We did have a neighbor who wrote us a letter, told us how our dog needed to stop barking at his cats that came into our yard, and shouldn't complain about the cat poop in the sandbox or the hairballs on the driveway or the leaves and grass they would blow onto our yard...you know...one of 'those' neighbors. Anyway, we still took his concerns to heart and worked with our dog as much as we could. To make a long story short, he now lives on a Santa Rosa ranch running wild and free and we have a more 'domestic' dog who most of our neighbors give a third glance at when we walk him because they never hear him. Different dogs...different personalities. Our neighbors on the other side bought a new dog whose vocal talents have rubbed off on their other dog. They now 'sing' everytime the owners are gone. If it gets too much, I kindly tell them. No harm - no foul - no hard feelings or animosity needed. Of course, I'm not originally a Californian...I'm from the midwest where not everyone has fences and walls....and we all learned to adjust, respect, and live together.

Posted by jd1511 on December 19, 2007 at 9:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you.
We all love dogs off course. And, a dog should bark when there is a reason.
However all dogs, like people are not good neighbors.
I live in a neighborhood that is disrupted by one person’s selfishness.
A dog that barks constantly is most like hurting for attention.
Sure it is not the dog’s fault he is being neglected by these inhumane owners,
and maybe the owner should be arrested for cruelty to animals.
However the entire neighborhood should not suffer because of one inconsiderate person.
If you have not lived near a barking dog, you have no idea how disruptive it is.
If you have a nuisance dog take care of it,
if you live near one report it for the peace of the entire neighborhood.

Posted by jd1511 on December 19, 2007 at 9:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry
"However all dogs, like people are not good neighbors."
Should have read
However all dogs, like all people are not aways good neighbors.
I love dogs and most of them are good neighbors.
however every now and again you find a dog or person with issues.

Posted by waterbaby on August 5, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I just found this article online. Does anyone know if this ever got passed?

mmlove38, I think I like across the street from you. This is our situation exactly. I got 2 1/2 hours of sleep last night from the dogs barking from 6:00 pm to 5:30 am NON-STOP. The people did not even come home at all.

This two person rule is for the birds. We just called animal control and were indeed told that we had to have "two or more people" to make a complaint. Please! Don't you think if the city got off their butts and investigated a complaint that in fact the neighbors would absolutely tell them if there was a problem? Do I really need to go knock on people's doors, whom I have not met, and ask for them to "join me in a complaint"? Evidently so.

Oh well. So, maybe mmlove38, I'll be meeting you tonight. Because we are at the point where we can't sleep at night, it's interfering with our lives to have these two dogs barking, lonely and outside all night, and the owners evidently could care less.

So sad.