Posted by ssakoian on August 29, 2007 at 7:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Statistics I have been told state a woman leaves her abuser 7 times before she makes the final break. Unfortunately, most women are so intimidated by physical violence that leaving is perhaps more frightening than staying. Children add to that burden - especially the economical burden of finding a place to stay, where to go on the spur of the moment.

There are hotlines which are local that can help women in domestic violence, and homes here in Ventura County which act as shelters for a short time. One in the city of Ventura has a shelter and will take in children as well. Classes are provided, as is information about court orders, etc.

An excellent site for local information can be found at http://www.sboard.org/SHELTERS/CA.HTM

Pass this on to those you know who need help, and help them yourself.

Posted by ca4ever on August 29, 2007 at 7:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

this is so sad. My heart breaks for her beautiful daughters

Posted by stave1 on August 29, 2007 at 7:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm saddened that people in these relationships can't find a way out. I am also saddened by the knowlege that these women feel they have to stay in these relationships. My youngest daughter found herself in an abusive relationship after her father passed away. I couldn't make her understand that he was not a nice man. And was not for HER. She did everything to hang around with him behind my back. It was the toughest time in my life. Signed a mother who cares.

Posted by AnnaWhaat on August 29, 2007 at 7:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My prayers for these three little girls.
Mary I hope your doing better..... Although it never gets easier. Just know she is in a better place.
If there are woman out there reading this PLEASE !!!!!!!! If your being hit or abused ,seek help ! If it happens once it will happen again. Getting worse each time.
This story just breaks my heart!

Posted by sadfriend34 on August 29, 2007 at 8:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This story will never get any easier to read. I, in fact knew Nico and Tracy very well. I see what is starting to happen in the press. A women is shot and killed by her husband, leaving behind 3 young girls, and all that everyone is hearing is about the recreational drug use, and how she was just as bad tempered as Nick. If that was the case, I am sure that we wouldn't be burying her on Thursday. Obviously she was no match for a gun, and keep in mind that we have not heard of any struggle on her part. We all know as their friends or family that they had some major issues. Sometimes, things were great, and I thought for sure that things would be okay in the long run. The only person to blame is Nick. If things got so bad, there were other ways that he could have handled it. It never stopped him before, and to take it to this extreme, caused both sides to have a loss. Its hard to say how we feel about Nick. He personally has never done anything to me, or my family, but when it came to Tracy~~ it was always a struggle. I thought " WOW, Nico actually is going to settle down and have a family". That was so cool. Any everyone is correct that Tracy did fight back, and I also received many phone calls filled with tears, where I tried to convince her to leave and go to her family. It doesn't stop the hurt, in fact, it has made it worse for me to have lost them both. I will never see Nick again, but I will have to forgive him, and hope that he gets help, and learns that you can't make a choice to take someones life, because they do things that you don't like. Nick had his share of recreational drugs, and partying, but I never let that define him as a parent or a husband, so it shouldn't happen to poor Tracy. Misery brings so many things to the table. For the girls sake, I hope they know that their mom loved them so much, and that will never change. Their dad, will always be their dad, and hopefully they will grow up to be good girls, and find the right kind of love. R.I.P. Tracy. We all know the truth, at both angles, and we won't let you go down without a fight. There is nothing that can be said to change the facts. You are gone, Nick is going to jail forver, and your girls need us all to be there for them.. We love you Tracy, and always will..

Posted by angels on August 29, 2007 at 9:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I hate the fact that the paper & her husband is trying to make Tracy look like the bad person here even after she was taken from us and her beautiful girls' suddenly. I wish Tracy could've gotten away in time but she didn't want to leave her girls' alone with Nick not knowing what he could do to them. I mean u never know right I mean he beat, yelled and disrespected Tracy in every way the woman that he supposedly loved and promised to respect, honor and faithfully take care of for the rest of her life but he didn't so why shouldn't she have been afraid for them. Her girls' were her life and that is the only happiness she got from that marriage. At the end Tracy was a very depressed lady, Nick had drained everything out of her. I feel deeply saddened for her family, especially her little angels. I hope that someday that her daughters know that everything that her father told them to try to turn them against her was a lie, she really loved those girls'. Tracy u will be missed dearly by everybody who loved and knew u. U are in a better place now and away from all those beatings, u are safe now, u don't have to look over ur shoulder anymore. May GOD be with u. U can still watch over ur girls' and you'll be able to see them grow up get married and have children and one day you'll see ur angels again. I hope that ur daughters learn that if a man hits, beats and calls u names is not right and that they should get out before it's too late. MAY GOD WATCH OF TRACY'S ANGELS! Girls' if one day u read this I want u to know that ur mom really did love u girls' she called u guys' her angels. R.I.P. TRACY WE LOVE AND WILL MISS U DEARLY!!!!!143

Posted by martiliz1 on August 29, 2007 at 11:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

For the record, I want to clearly state that I do not condone what Nick did, however, this article paints an entirely different picture. Tracy needed help, besides just confiding in her family & friends and simply didn't get it. Nick obviously was not solely at fault. They both had major issues. It sounds like they were just one of those couples that brought out the worst in one another. Tracy, I hope you rest in peace.

Posted by letg58 on August 29, 2007 at 11:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I feel for the girls left behind. May God bless them all. I hope they never allow a man to mistreat them.

Posted by BeaHappi on August 29, 2007 at 12:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To the Vargas Children ~ Although your parents did not seem to love themselves or each other, I'm sure that they loved all of you very, very much.

May God wrap you in His arms and hold you safely for the rest of your lives. My wish for you is that the best days of your past be the worst days of your future.

Posted by newleef on August 29, 2007 at 12:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

why did she lose custody of her kids? How can the courts give custody to an abusive person?

Posted by Itsmyright on August 29, 2007 at 12:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This article isn't just a reminder to the women in an abusive situation, it's also for the MEN who find themselves in that same situation. BE THE BIGGER MAN AND WALK AWAY BEFORE IT GET'S OUT OF CONTROL.Learn from this very sad situation. God's Blessings To The Family.

Posted by Prissy_Leghorn on August 29, 2007 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

May God Bless the Vargas' little girls.

Why do women stay in abusive relationships - Why? If they are beaten and yelled at, why stay?

Posted by sadfriend34 on August 29, 2007 at 12:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To newleef, I believe that the custody issue was a forced one by Nick. She never walked away from those girls willingly. Had she fought him on this, we probably would have heard this story long before now. He felt that he was the better parent, that the house was his, and that he made the sole income, for sometime in the household. Also, the alleged " drug use " came into play. Exactly how much is true, only Tracy knows and maybe a Toxicology report. Don't forget that Nick has never been charged with ANY crimes up to this point, and when you come into a situation looking flawless against someone who has a few marks, it does make a big difference. I don't agree with it, but it is a regular occurence. Knowing them both, as long as we have, its a tough situation to be in. I just thank god, for my own life, and good marriage everyday, and I really hope & Pray the kids can gain some loving life experiences. Fact: They had some big issues, and I do believe that they brought the worst out of each other. Unfortunatley, its ended in horror instead of them both finding relationships with others that made them happy and fullfilled.

Posted by Comments on August 29, 2007 at 1:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What a sad, sad story and one that is unfortunately all too common. My heart goes out to those girls and I hope that they have loving family to help them through this. I can't imagine what it feels like to lose your mother so tragically. No matter what anyone else thinks of their parents, they were their parents. The only parents they knew and it's got to be so very hard.

I don't think it's cool to vilify the victim, nor do I think it's cool to make excuses for the murderer. However, I do think it's entirely appropriate to discuss the entire situation as much as any outsider can. I do think that the Star had an obligation to report that there were two sides to the abuse in this relationship. No, it didn't give him an excuse to kill her. He could've walked away, called the police, etc. He chose to shoot a gun and kill her. He can live with those consequences. I do think that the more light that is shed on domestic abuse the better we will be able to prevent it from happening again.

Posted by newleef on August 29, 2007 at 1:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It doesn't make sense, you would think that with all the violence that everyone is saying that he did to her, there would be at least one police call or one police report that showed him beating her. Also if he is threatening her that if she leaves him he will do something to her then why is he the one that filed for divorce? It sounds like there is a lot more to the story than what is being said. No matter what the story is, parents should always think of the children before themselves. I feel bad for the little girls and for what they have lost.

Posted by sueeaves on August 29, 2007 at 1:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

across4u2 please do not judge, you are only reading things on line and thru the media. We will never know the whole truth about what happened. None of us are perfect, only one person was and it was Jesus. So please don't make quick judgements,cause someday you will be judged also. And in regards to women just leaving, unless you been there don't say nothing. IT's easier said then done. Tracy I love you. Aunt Sue grants pass oregon

Posted by Prissy_Leghorn on August 29, 2007 at 1:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was there. I woke up, got my kids and left. It was a struggle at first, but we did it! We've been the happiest ever since~~ :)

Posted by interested on August 29, 2007 at 1:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why did he have a restraining order on her? Why didn't she have one on him? what kind of hold did he have on her that prevented her from getting those children away from a dangerous man?

Posted by interested on August 29, 2007 at 1:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

and why did he have her babysit if there was a restraining order active? this all doesn't make sense.

Posted by sueeaves on August 29, 2007 at 1:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The whole story has not came out yet.Do not believe everything you read in the paper or on line. Tracy's Aunt Sue

Posted by sueeaves on August 29, 2007 at 1:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If she was such a bad mother why would of Nick left her with girls at all. Because she wasn't.The restraining order that Nick had only gave him more control over Tracy. IF he was so afraid of her why was she allowed over and over again into their home , that they once shared.

Posted by wenlynnk on August 29, 2007 at 2:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, Tracy was my best friend, and she did not deserve this. There are not many people than can say to themselves that they haven't done some sort of drugs in their life. She loved her girls more than the world, and obviously was willing to die for them.
And as for her getting help, I was in this EXACT situation of abuse with my 1st husband, and thank god i got out, and didn't have any children. If you've never been the situation, it's hard to understand it completely. you can try to get help all you want, but help isn't giong to protect you from a gun.

Posted by frozenyogue211 on August 29, 2007 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If he shot her in self defense, hello people, it only takes one damn bullet. Wake up!!! My God, please pray for ignorant people. He used two bullets. OVERKILL!!!!

Posted by interested on August 29, 2007 at 2:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I believe there are two sides and ultimately what he did was wrong and justice should be served. It is not that hard to go to the ventura county court website and look view the public documents, chances are, those are the truth. Unfortunately we will probably never find out the outcome of this case. It very sad and whatever the reason he picked up that gun was, he should have thought about his children and found another way to deal with whatever he was dealing with. I just can't figure out why she had been arrested for battery and possession of a controlled substance and had a restraining order on her and people are saying she was on drugs and he has clean record. Why was he never arrested? when the police are called out for a domestic situation, don't they look over both parties to determine if there are injuries or bruises or things like that? Why didn't they see the bruises on her at that time? How did she end up getting arrested and not him? very strange...

Posted by SantaMariaResident on August 29, 2007 at 2:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree, I think no one knows the whole story, if he divorced her, was granted full custody of the kids and had a restraining order against her, then has her over to babysit?? Doesn't make alot of sense. Very very tragic, the whole thing.

Posted by interested on August 29, 2007 at 2:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

where does it say he used two bullets?

Posted by susanm on August 29, 2007 at 2:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As Ive been reading these posts I can only feel shock and disbelief as to how things got so out of hand......I know it is VERY HARD to leave an abusive situation, but it can be done...At least you will not have the fear of not waking up in the morning???? My question is where did it ever say that he shot her twice?????

Posted by frozenyogue211 on August 29, 2007 at 2:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If you people only knew, but soon, you will know,and then the bliss of your ignorance shall prevail.

Posted by BeaHappi on August 29, 2007 at 2:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yesterday's article stated that she was shot twice.

Posted by interested on August 29, 2007 at 2:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I didn't see that article, I saw the one from Saturday and then this one.

Posted by frozenyogue211 on August 29, 2007 at 2:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nick was no starnger to the gun. He has no problem aiming. He was a thug. 1 bullet was enough. Please.

Posted by frozenyogue211 on August 29, 2007 at 3:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I dont'know more than I read, and I hear. I just listen instead of assuming.

Posted by leftbehind on August 29, 2007 at 3:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i was a child in a the middle of this kind of abuse and drama. From this perspective I do respect the bias perspectives of people who have never been through this and the perpective of those who have, just to be clear both the father and the mother were selfish and self-destructive. To the battered women, they are not innocent, whether they come from battered families themselves or they are just mentally unstable by birth, they should not be bringing children into this world period! To the men who are in a relationship with a mentally and emotionally unstable woman ... you have a choice to leave! there is a moment in that realtionship when you see the worst in them, and you need to ask yourself "do I really want this woman to be the mother of my children?". I feel no pitty for either. I love my parents, but it took time, and once in a while i think back at the abuse and the guns, and the alcohol. They had a choice to raise a family in a good environment, but selfishly enough they chose the lifestyle that fufilled them and not their children.

Posted by interested on August 29, 2007 at 3:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

there was no article from yesterday that states that she was shot twice....

Posted by frozenyogue211 on August 29, 2007 at 3:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Every situation is different, every gun shot is too. In most cases, 1 shot is all it takes, and this close up, 2 were unneccesary.

Posted by deanie2554 on August 29, 2007 at 3:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

for everyones information he hit her with, 3 (THREE) shots ! per coroner ! THREE ! as someone said ,let the truth prevail.
AND.... there are allegations of (recreational drug use)
by BOTH of them

Posted by interested on August 29, 2007 at 3:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How did he support his wife and family? Did he have a job? How can he support the family if he is a thug? Did she know he owned a gun? If he was a thug how come he has never been arrested?

Posted by BeaHappi on August 29, 2007 at 4:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The article from Saturday said that there were two shots...geez!

Posted by letg58 on August 29, 2007 at 4:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LET HER RIP...ALREADY AND LET OUR LORD ABOVE DO THE JUDGING!

Posted by interested on August 29, 2007 at 4:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

THE ARTICLE ON SATURDAY DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT TWO SHOTS!!!! REREAD IT PLEASE.... GEEZ!!!!!

Posted by BeaHappi on August 29, 2007 at 5:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh for goodness sakes, at one time it did say two shots. Does it matter? One shot, two shots, 300 shots...she is still deceased.

Let it go already...

Posted by frozenyogue211 on August 29, 2007 at 5:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you BeaHappi.

Posted by gotita on August 29, 2007 at 6:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The only thing that i can say is that girls are so stupid sometimes.......Domestic violence needs to stop. DON'T BE AFRAID TO RUN AWAY FROM A PERSON THAT IS DOING NO GOOD TO YOUR LIFE AND TO YOUR KIDS. ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT STAY WITH THAT TYPE OF LIFE BECAUSE THEY ARE SCARE THEY END UP DEAD. TO ALL OF YOU READING THIS, PLEASE DON'T STAY IN A RELATIONSHIP LIKE THAT, THE ONLY ONE GETTING HURT IS YOU. DON'T BE SCARE OF REPORTING THOSE PERSONS, THE ONLY THING THAT YOU ARE DOING IS HELPING THE OTHER PERSON REALIZE WHAT THEY WERE DOING TO YOU IN SOME POINT OF YOUR LIFE. nO WOMEN OR MAN SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE AN ANIMAL. WE ARE HUMANS AND WE ARE WORTH MORE THAN THOSE TEARS THAT WOMEN CRY EVERYNIGHT AFTER THEY GET HURT BY THE PARTNER. PLEASE RUN AWAY FROM THAT, MANY OF THE STORIES IN THE NEWS PAPER WOULD OF NEVER HAPPENED IF WE WERE HUMANS THAT STAND UP FOR OUR RIGHTS. IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THAT TYPE OF RELATIONSHIP, BE READY BECAUSE YOU CAN BE NEXT. I FEEL SORRY FOR THE FAMILY OF TRACY AND FRIENDS IF YOU KNEW WHY DIDN'T YOU DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. PEOPLE IT WAS BETTER FOR THE GUY TO BE IN JAIL IF SOMEBODY WOULD OF SAID SOMETHING THEN FOR TRACY TO BE DEAD FOR NO STUPID REASON, JUST BECAUSE MAN ARE MAN THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY CAN HIT YOU.

Posted by martiliz1 on August 29, 2007 at 6:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Can you people please stop arguiing about how many flippin bullets were used??? Please, let's move on.

Posted by martiliz1 on August 29, 2007 at 6:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

First of all, when in fact did they divorce? Was it ever finalized? How long do restraining orders last?

Posted by lhdecdrm on August 29, 2007 at 6:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, so many people so many opinions! I was friends with Tracey and practically lived at her aunt's house also with their family. The Zamora's are wonderful, caring, loving people who took all of us girls in under their wings when we needed it. Anyone who is within our age bracket and from Hueneme and Oxnard have pretty much sampled in recreational drugs. She was not some heavy druggy for the information of across4u2. You saying you have been in a similiar situation might have the inclination on how destroyed one's self esteem and self reliance is in these situations. I have been a single mother of 3 and been through a couple of toxic relationships. NO FUN!!! The world looks at you broken and unwhole, or at least at the time that is how you feel. And when you have no substanial income to provide for your children, you do begin to think you have to deal with the venom from your abuser so your kids can sleep in the same bed every night and eat at the same house everyday, and feel a little more comfortable instead of moving from house to house every night!!!! So sometimes though it SUCKS, you think you are doing the right thing for your kids.
Please do not judge unless you have exactly been in that toxic of a situation Please. Only one person can judge!
And my husband and I have experienced the victims family side of murder. My 9 mth old stepdaughter was murdered 11 years ago. There is no EXCUSE acceptable enough for MURDER! No one is to blame but the MURDERER for their actions.

Posted by gotita on August 29, 2007 at 7:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ok you say that you don't leave your house because you want you kids to have a roof and something to eat. that is wrong. many place that yo ucan go with your children, if you want to look up for your kids do it the hard way. go out look for help don't just sit and wait for him to hit you, no don't do that, no women deserves that. God is so big and he sees when you are suffering, He will help you only if you pray to him and if you have faith on him.

Posted by lhdecdrm on August 29, 2007 at 7:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Also, Manipulation is the best tool for destruction for an abuser. And when your soul is already tattered that opens the door for the manipulation. None of us will ever know the full truth no matter how many pieces get put together from the courts. There will be 4 sides to this story: Tracey's ( RIP my friend), Nick's, The truth, and the picture that gets put together for us. The real JUDGE will decide on JUDGEMENT DAY.
Girls may the Lord grant you a peaceful adventure the rest of your life here on Earth.

Posted by lhdecdrm on August 29, 2007 at 7:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

again I say, I have been there your mind isn't always in the best frame of mind to make decisions and stick to them. I have taken care of myself and my children. You are correct no one should be hit and abused in any matter, however it does happen! Getting out for good can be difficult. Most people being abused lose their faith for a short period. I can't explain the sickness you feel when you are going through life that way. Mentally draining and confusing.

Posted by newleef on August 30, 2007 at 8:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Does anyone know what is going on with him? Has he made any statements as to why or what happened? Hopefully the paper will keep everyone updated.

Posted by lhdecdrm on August 30, 2007 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Across4u2, you seem very hell bent on defending your opinion and feel you have the right to insult others lives and their inteligence. For us so called losers in your eyes who did dabble in drugs have turned out to make differences in the world you live in!
To generalize the way you are just means you have not expanded your horizons, compassion, or understand the human aspect of life my friend. I have traveled along way since moving away from that area and let me tell you my associates degree and fellow practioners can inform you from how far away what kind of loser I am.
You are entitled to your opinion as we all are. However to insult others who express their opinion just as you do is very shallow. Those involved in this case have made many bad choices and yes they are in the paper for us all to read and comment on intelligentally.
So in your own words " Suck It Up"

Posted by rjeremy on August 30, 2007 at 11:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This will be brief. Stick to the objective data.

1) She was convicted of drug possesion (this is much more intense than simple recreational use)

2) She does not have legal custody of her own children.( Big red flag- It is almost impossible for a mom to loose custody of her own children especially in California and, conversely, it is almost impossible for a father to get sole custody from the mom unless the courts feel that it is in the best interest of the children and finances is not a factor they look at b/c there is financial assistance available.

3) There was a restraining order against her ( they just don't hand those out at La Gloria, there is a process involved)

4) No formal documentation by police of former physical abuse

Posted by GitRdone on August 30, 2007 at 11:24 a.m.

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Posted by mary.f.moore on August 30, 2007 at 11:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tracey,
I pray for you and your children. I pray your girls continue to play ball and live life knowing you can peacefully watch over them. Knowing you can take care of them without fear or manipulation. I pray for Nick. He tried to keep keep those girls and now it's you who will guide them in spirit. God Bless.

Posted by surfmedic91 on August 30, 2007 at 11:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

zipit, if you can't handle people voicing their opinions, you need to consider not reading the posts and comments. across4u2 makes a lot of good points and says things that most are not willing to. You may not agree with the comments, but that's what this forum is for. Too many people are fragile and can't handle a little criticism. Growing up as a kid, I did so many things on a daily basis that are now considered dangerous or could cause injury. I played with toys smaller than my windpipe, ran with pointed scissors, used white-out for reports, etc. You need to have a bit of a tough skin to live in our society now.

Posted by GitRdone on August 30, 2007 at 12:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

believe me, i can handle more than you think. everyone is entitled to their opinion, & that's why i have posted my comment. may tracy now rest in peace & may god also bless those people that continue to belittle one who is deceased. may god god help them to be more sympathetic when it comes to times like this.

Posted by ca4ever on August 30, 2007 at 12:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

surfmedic91 - you are correct. If you people do not want the truth, then do not read these posts. People will judge and people will post and that is their right. They do not need to defend their thoughts and opinions, just as you do not yours. If there is another truth that you know and belive in your hearts, then that is all that matters and not what everyone else thinks! AS I have said before, across4u2 makes some damn good points

Posted by GitRdone on August 30, 2007 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

like i said, may god bless all !!!!!

Posted by GitRdone on August 30, 2007 at 12:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i agree with trip505 !! i just feel really bad for all who are close to tracy. anybody who has lost a loved one will know how it feels, let alone how it happened. aside from that, the void in someones heart is enough, & then for the family to read comments that are hurtful.

Posted by RC on August 30, 2007 at 1:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

gotita states "The only thing that i can say is that girls are so stupid sometimes......"
that is the most insensitive thing to say. Why is always the woman's fault and why call them stupid? What about the cowardly men that hit their girlfriends/wives. They are the ones that are stupid for doing it on the first place. Or vice versa

Posted by RC on August 30, 2007 at 1:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

too bad the victim and perpertrator are not here to defend themselves from all this heated discussion

Posted by GitRdone on August 30, 2007 at 1:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i believe that many of us are speaking for the victim in this case. i have nothing good to say about someone who has gunned down & killed their wife, although i will pray for him too. maybe tracy did things she or any mother shouldn't, but that does not give anyone the right to kill !!!!

Posted by sadfriend34 on August 30, 2007 at 3:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is getting worse and worse. Obviously we are hearing opinions of people who did not know them at ALL. Thats fine except for , you say things that you have no background to say. Tracy did have a felony charge for drug posession. WOW, she did derserve what she got right? Why does that matter? Nick did have legal custody of the girls, but if you even did any research before you spoke, you would see that it was given up willingly for their best interest.He did get a restraining order, but if you don't appear, its automatically awarded. You can make your own assumptions, but we all know that it was because they were always at odds, and he belived that the house was his to stay in. She signed those papers on her own, without a fight, in hopes that it would help in the future. For those of us who know Nick, we do know that he was the boss, and what he said, went. Tracy was no match(even with her words), so she gave in. I don't blame her, I only want to make sure that these comments are not being made based on the fact that she was this drug addicted mother. NOT THE CASE!! In fact, she had a good job, and loved taking her kids out to lunch as well as shopping. Sounds like a terrible mom to me.. This is bad, it can't change, but don't crap on Tracy and bring all these things out of the wood work. Nothing validates DEATH... R.I.P.

Posted by bwall on August 30, 2007 at 4:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Question for someone who knows her, was she pregnant due in November????

Posted by frozenyogue211 on August 30, 2007 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes she was pregnant, and yes she lost the baby.

Posted by bwall on August 30, 2007 at 5:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That poor girl. My heart just breaks for her and those kids. I will keep them in my prayers. Knowing she is in heaven with her baby that she lost and now has.

Posted by sadfriend34 on August 30, 2007 at 5:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Anybody go to the first court appearance? Curious about what Nick has to say for himself....

Posted by BeaHappi on August 30, 2007 at 6 p.m. (Suggest removal)

God bless the children...

Posted by decemberbaby1 on August 30, 2007 at 8:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This poor woman lost her life and will never see her children grow up. The mistakes of her past should not be up for discussion by strangers. She will never be able to defend herself or redeem herself because of her husband's horrible and inexcusable actions. This "responsible" father had a loaded gun in a house with three young children and chose to use it on their mother.

Posted by loveforda805 on August 30, 2007 at 8:59 p.m.

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Posted by spunky805 on August 30, 2007 at 9:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I totally agree with sadfriend34. Alot of things Tracy did was done to not stir the pot knowing what would happen if she did. You can get a restraining order if you have someone lie and say they served someone when they didn't so that the other party won't show and it's granted to the person there. Alot of things will come out in the trial that cannot be discussed.

Today we laid her ashes to rest and finally Tracy is sleeping peacefully with no more fear and pain. Let her rest now and don't disrespect her.I know you all are intitled to your opinion. It hurts alot of her family and friends who loved her when she is disrespected even tho only those close to her knew what kind of person, mother, sister, and friend she really was. Rest in peace Tracy (aka Ms. Thang) You will forever be in our hearts. Luv ya girl!

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Posted by frozenyogue211 on August 30, 2007 at 9:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

REST IN PEACE DEAR TRACY,.......

Posted by frozenyogue211 on August 30, 2007 at 9:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

THAT IS SO SAD PEOPLE GOSSIPING ABOUT THE DEAD. WOW,......

Posted by frozenyogue211 on August 30, 2007 at 10:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TRUST ME, SHE PAID HER DUES, WHATEVER THEY WERE. SHE IS SQUARE WITH THE HOUSE, AND THEN SOME. NICK IS THE ONE WHO HASN'T PAID HIS DUES YET, PLEASE LETS FOCUS ON THE ONE WHO STILL OWES,...

Posted by sadfriend34 on August 30, 2007 at 11:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm glad that Tracy was peacefully laid to rest today. Now we can move on, and hope that justice is served. I need the closure, so I am sure that most people do. I want to hear that he is remorseful, that he didn't mean to, That he LOVED her more than words can say. Not probable in this case. Tracy, this is the last I will say in regards to the case. You deserved better, you were a lovely person, and a fine friend. I miss you dearly, and will never forget you. As far as your girls go, we are all here for them, to do as you wish. They hopefully will move on, remember your love often, and grow to be wonderful positive women. Nick, I am sorry to say, you went to far, made a bad choice, and you will pay. No matter what you think, or what you get away with, the ultimate judge is the LORD above. In his eyes, you have done a bad , bad , thing. You stripped your children of the women who gave birth to them ( I was there for a few ) and you took away our friend and loved one. May you feel the torment and torture that was felt by Tracy in most cases of your relationship, and although I will forgive you, I will never forget the pain you caused to all of us. It was a SELFISH move on your part. We all would have been devasted, had you left the earth, but it would have been that much easier to know that YOU took YOUR OWN life, instead of your wife's. It was not an option!!At this point, you can stop with the stories, and the portrayal that you were the victim. WE ALL KNOW BETTER. R.I.P. Tracy. May your children come to terms, and NEVER let anything get in their way of complete happiness.. We love and miss you!

Posted by GitRdone on August 31, 2007 at 5:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

across4u2, i believe more than one person cares & thinks about these girls !!!!!!! why don't you just BACK OFF NOW. i really don't think you care about anything at all with the comments toward trip505. i feel you are a very selfish person yourself !! god bless all who's heart, who's prayers, who's love is there for those who are hurting.

Posted by martiliz1 on August 31, 2007 at 6:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

people please. enough is enough. stop bickering. let's just call it a day until the trial begins. thank you & God Bless.

Posted by GitRdone on August 31, 2007 at 6:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

the only one bickering in this case is across4u2.

Posted by imbetnonit on August 31, 2007 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank God there are many comments on this story, it means that people are feeling compassion for this family.
We have all become so de-sensitized. The day that no one bothers to comment..........well, I hate to think of that possibility. As long as we keep caring enough to talk about this issue there is hope.

Posted by GitRdone on August 31, 2007 at 1:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

HOW ODD IS IT THAT ACCROSS4U2 DOES NO LONGER HAVE ANYTHING POSTED ??????? FUNNY HOW THINGS WORK HUH ??

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Posted by bbfan247365 on September 1, 2007 at 8:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

R.I.P. Tracy
Y was his arraignment postponed to Sept. 14 and bail set.....

Posted by maryz8 on September 1, 2007 at 12:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LISTEN UP........ First of all let me introduce myself to this open forum again. My name is Mary Zamora, I 'm Tracy's aunt in Oregon, I also live for many years in Oxnard and still visit Oxnard. When you see a posting on this forum from a family member of Tracy's. we don't have to defend ourselves and don't try to lay a guilt trip on us for not being there for Tracy,Nick or our niece's. We have been there from the day one and lived this tragedy. Tracy is my brother's daughter BLOOD RELATED! Nick is my nephew -in-law, UNDERSTAND. I truly appreciate all the love that is pouring thru this forum, and all the folks that are interested in fact finding , pay close attention to the family postings, we are the ones being asked questions,Nick called and told us he shot Tracy not once but THREE TIMES, and yes it does matter when this case is presented in court, three times is not an accident or self-defence, Tracy DIDN'T have a gun or any other weapon in her posession at the time of the shooting,we have been asking questions and getting the FACTS from detectives, the coroner's office and Nick's statement to family member's before he turned himself in. This is where you will find out what happened. Not from the grapevine or media. There are some statements that have been made on this forum that people have heard or assumed which is fine but some are NOT factual some are the half truthsand some that are the absolute truth, I myself post what has been told to me personally by Tracy, Nick and now the findings of the detectives, and the coroners on this case.It is not like I am a distant realtive that just came into the picture recently, Tracy and my nieces visited regurally via the phone,e-mail, pictures and a couple of times a year in person. I have spoke with Nick several times over the years and he has visited in my home in Oregon as well.So we were very up to date of the behaviors on both parts of Nick and Tracy, as a matter of fact so up to date I buried my niece two days ago, pretty current I would say.

Posted by maryz8 on September 1, 2007 at 12:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As far as Nick's arraignment being postponed, is because alot of fact finding is taking place, in order for this trial to start with the true facts being presented to a jury and that Nick is claiming he blacked out and doesn't remember shooting Tracy,hampers the timeline. The investagation isn't complete. The detective stated to me he pretty much knows what happened and why Tracy was at the family home, and how she got there.

Posted by maryz8 on September 1, 2007 at 1:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nick wasn't he only one that filed for divorce,so did Tracy,but she dropped proceedings with the intentions of rebuilding her family, court records show this and the petitons that were filed in family court, this is public record. There were also restraining orders placed on both parties. The family home remained in BOTH names and still does. Tracy didn't lose custody of her girls due to any court actions, she gave temporary custody,so as not to uproot the kids from all that they knew, but she Never gave up the fight to regain full custody as a lawyer for Tracy was in the works at the time of her death. There are things that had to be kept within the family as not to make it worse then it already was. This was not a cut and dry situation,as anyone that has been in this kind of relationship knows........

Posted by maryz8 on September 1, 2007 at 1:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you for asking Nancy, you may contact me @
maryz8@yahoo.com. I would be happy to let you know about my nieces...... Mary

Posted by cz102249 on September 1, 2007 at 3:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To all those who want to know why she didn't do this or didn't do that need to ask yourself one question. Who or what can protect you from a bullet? Or three of them for that matter.Certinally not a peice of paper that only threatens an abuser with jail time.My cousin was cold bloodly murdered by a monster who cared about nothing but what he wanted.I don't have to imagine what kind of mind screw an abuser can inflict on you to make you come back to a situation that you know is going to kill, I've lived it.Men like Nick can manipulate Jesus to sell his soul.

Posted by frozenyogue211 on September 1, 2007 at 8:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Finally some facts!! Thank you,...now we can start to piece this nightmare together, for the families peace of mind, God Bless them.

Posted by maryz8 on September 1, 2007 at 10:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you to all that have taken the time to read and comment in this forum, I realize that many stories are being passed around, sorted out,and picked thru. We all were aware of the up's and down's of Nick and Tracy and we all did our best to comfort both thru out the years. This was NOT normal family life no matter how you cut it, Please anyone else out there in a relationship of abuse whether it be verbel or just ONE time I was hit, MAN or WOMEN, LEAVE NOW!!!!!!! Take note, or your family could be the next writting to this forum.May GOD BLESS my nieces,Nick's family and my family with comfort in this time of deep sorrow....

Posted by bbfan247365 on September 1, 2007 at 10:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Maryz8,
Thank you for all your info. about Nick and Tracy.
We will read each new comment.

Posted by bbfan247365 on September 1, 2007 at 10:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Maryz8,
Have you e-mailed CNN's Nancy Grace about this story.

Posted by maryz8 on September 1, 2007 at 11:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have just recently returned from Cali, I will be getting started making this known nation wide shortly,, TY for asking

Posted by maryz8 on September 2, 2007 at 12:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

To trip505,,how did you know Tracy?

Posted by frozenyogue211 on September 2, 2007 at 12:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

PLEASE HELP US GET THIS KNOWN ON NANCY GRACE!!! ANYTHING YOU CAN DO WILL HELP US OUT. WE NEED MORE CONCERNED AND OUTRAGED CITIZENS INVOLVED, AND AWARE OF THIS BRUTAL REALITY. THANK YOU.

Posted by Hpantoja1 on September 2, 2007 at 9:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I wanted to apologise for a comment I made earlier in the week regarding the 3 girls being taken away from Nicks family because his family raised a monster. These comments were made out of shear anger and frustration at the whole situation. I had no right to pass judgment on anyone's family. I've learned alot this week, and have realized that these two families don't need any of our comments or opinions they just need our support. What's done is done. Let them heal and focus now on the future which is those 3 little girls.

Posted by oxnardlove62774 on September 3, 2007 at 1:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If anyone would like to show sum love to Tracy and her babies here is her myspace page. This is not a page to bash Tracy so don't bother. Thank you!! http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?....

Posted by maryz8 on September 3, 2007 at 12:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

T would like to thank everyone for contributing their thoughts and prayers to this open forum. I'm sure alot of eyes were opened to this tragic lose and what lead up to Tracy's death.I pray that if this story is a reflection of your own or someone close to you, some knowledge was gained.It's too late now for what if's for Nick and Tracy, let justice be served,pray for our families and the guidence we need to raise, these children. Amen..

Posted by sadfriend34 on September 3, 2007 at 7:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Maryz8 , could you please keep us informed as to when anything new comes up? CNN or Nancy Grace? I will do anything to help raise the awareness of Domestic Violence.Just let me know. Peace be with you and your family. I hope the girls are doing as good as they can be. I sent you a private email. I hope you got it..
R.I.P Tracy.. I will miss you dearly.. :(

Posted by jcarbajal on September 3, 2007 at 7:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I would like to make a comment to Hpantoja1: Thank you for your apology "I wanted to apologise for a comment I made earlier in the week regarding the 3 girls being taken away from Nicks family because his family raised a monster." Believe me this is not easy for ANYONE right now!!!

Thank you Nick's Cousin Jontue

Posted by maryz8 on September 3, 2007 at 9:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dear sadfriend, I didn't receive your e-mail .. Please try again maryz8@yahoo.com

Posted by sadfriend34 on September 3, 2007 at 10:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Maryz8, I tried again.. Let me know. thanks..

Posted by maryz8 on September 4, 2007 at 12:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dear sadfriend are you mailing me under sadfriend? If so I'm sorry I don't see e-mail PLEASE try again.
maryz8@yahoo.com

Posted by maryz8 on September 4, 2007 at 12:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If any of Nick's family that has our niece's please contact me as I would like to have a update on girl's and what is happening so the best can happen for them. I am so sorry for all of us I'm here to help... Aunt Mary.. May God Bless our families and guide us thru these hurtful times

Posted by sadfriend34 on September 4, 2007 at 12:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No Mary, I just put it in on the subject line so that you would know that it was from me. I am using my work email so I wonder if its going into your spam. I will resend it. So the girls are still in Oxnard?

Posted by sadfriend34 on September 4, 2007 at 12:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mary, I tried again. If you don't get it shortly, write me @ manager@aladdinmotorinnpt.com. , so that it saves my address if you don't mind..Thanks...

Posted by my3angels on September 5, 2007 at 11:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To JCARBAJAL how are the girls doing? Not a day goes by that we do not think about the girls and wonder how they are doing. Their life has been turned upside down. Please let them know that they are loved and missed

Posted by maryz8 on September 6, 2007 at 1:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Girls are doing fine,under the circumstances, they are in school, Nick's and Tracy's family want the best, family's are being sure that the girls will have the best choices made in their behalf,, Thank you for asking, Aunt Mary

Posted by GitRdone on September 6, 2007 at 3:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MARY
THANK GOD FOR AUNT'S LIKE YOU !!! I CONTINUE TO PRAY FOR TRACY & HER GIRLS & ALL FAMILIES/FRIENDS WHO ARE GRIEVING. CONTINUE TO DO A GREAT JOB MARY & GOD BLESS YOU !!!!

Posted by maryz8 on September 7, 2007 at 9:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

All of our families have always wanted the best for Nick and Tracy's family life, let us continue to pray........

Posted by maryz8 on September 7, 2007 at 9:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you zipit

Posted by LatinaGoddess on September 8, 2007 at 10:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There was apparently years of troubles in this family... this can serve as a learning experience for all- if you or someone you know needs to get away from an abusive home, spouse, parent, whatever...there is help out there. Call 211, they will provide you with all you need to know. I don't mean to sound like a PSA, but this is a serious issue that many believe with a blink of an eye will disappear. All in all- to everyone who is suffering from this unfortunate outcome- my prayers go out to you and yours... Que Dios los bendiga!!!

Posted by sadfriend34 on September 9, 2007 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mary, have you received my emails? Just checking.....Let me know please...

Posted by sadfriend34 on September 9, 2007 at 2:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mary, have you received my emails? Just checking.....Let me know please...

Posted by maryz8 on September 9, 2007 at 10:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you LatinaGoddess.. Is 211 a hotline?

Posted by maryz8 on September 9, 2007 at 10:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes sadfriend I have.. keep writing if you wish,share some good memories with me ,, all are invited maryz8@yahoo.com

Posted by spunky805 on September 10, 2007 at 4:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A memorial page has been made for Tracy on myspace. Go to myspace and click on the search button and type in Tracy Vargas and she is on the last page. There is another Tracy Vargas listed on page 2 and that was her old page she use to have before she was asked to remove it. If anyone has any pics of Tracy they would like to share and have put on the page send them thru the message button that appears on the page. Thanks to all for your prayers.

Posted by maryz8 on September 10, 2007 at 2:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nick goes for arraignment Sept.14,2007 @ 1:30pm. Word's can't explain this sorrow away....
God Bless our families, are my only thoughts for now............ Keep us all in your prayers.

Posted by spunky805 on September 10, 2007 at 6:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mary give me a call been trying to reach you.

Posted by my3angels on September 11, 2007 at 6:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you Mary for the updates. Glad to hear that the girls are ok under these circumstances.

Posted by bbfan247365 on September 18, 2007 at 12:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Was there any info. on Nicks arraignment in the newpaper,
Back on Sept. 14, 2007

Posted by bbfan247365 on September 18, 2007 at 12:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Maryz8,
May God be with you and your family each day.

Posted by LatinaGoddess on September 18, 2007 at 4:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mary... 211 is a 24 hour hotline that you can call of course and ask for referral services. They can then give you referrals and so forth that would best suit you. If not, of course there's the Coalition to End Family Violence. There is so much assistance out there, people just don't know it. I'm sorry it takes horror and tragedy to see the light- I'm sorry Tracy was the victim. Honestly, I'm sorry the whole family are the victims of this unfortunate ordeal. Once again, my prayers go out to you and yours and know that there is always light at the end of the tunnel.

Posted by my3angels on September 18, 2007 at 10:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

For all that are interested in helping a fund has been established for the children. The info is as follows: Vargas Childrens Memorial Fund, Bank of America, P.O. Box 6029, Oxnard CA 93031, Account #0151466996

Posted by maryz8 on September 19, 2007 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Nick's arraignment was postponed will post when I find new date

Posted by maryz8 on September 19, 2007 at 10:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Nick's arraignment is set for 9/28/07 @ 1:30pm rm 14
Ventura County Court.

Posted by christinefromtheH20 on September 23, 2007 at 3:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ive been tracy's friend from the beach in Oxnard for over 17 years. It was unfortunate Tracy felt compelled to keep our close friendship a secret from her deranged husband! Our home was always a safe haven for her. I can't count the times she predicted her untimely death at the hands of this coward.

Karma is a b----.

We think about you every day. You were nothing but a great friend, a teriffic mom to your little angels and a true and sincere person.

Your friends always,
Christine, Donovan, Alexis, Shilo and Chico

Posted by mmarshall on September 24, 2007 at 9:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To: My3angles
Can you contact me directly? I am Tracys brothers wife. Please email me at melissa7@socal.rr.com. Thank you.

Posted by spunky805 on October 5, 2007 at 2:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nick pleaded not guilty to all counts at his hearing on 9/28/07. His next court date is 12/03/07 @ 9.00am. He has a bail of $750,000.00 which has not been posted for him and is being represented by a public defender.

Please continue to pray for Tracy's family and friends here and out of town.

Posted by happy1 on October 8, 2007 at 4:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Was he charged with 1st degree murder?

Posted by mmarshall on October 9, 2007 at 12:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dear christinefromtheH20,
I am a close family member of Tracys. Can you please contact me directly:
melissa7@socal.rr.com
Thanks

Posted by spunky805 on October 12, 2007 at 10:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

yes he is charged with 1st degree murder and he bailed out on 10/12/07. So he is out!

Posted by deanie2554 on October 13, 2007 at 12:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

how can this happen ? who would bail him out ? they do know he will take off, right ?
what a slap in tracy's face ! it is like he killed her all over again.
i just can't beleive it. he can be with the girls ???? but...tracy will never see them again. why ?
IT IS SO WRONG !

Posted by maryz8 on October 13, 2007 at 8:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hearing the news that Nick is bailed out and walking around breathing, free,
and enjoying life, while my niece is laid to rest at Rose Hills is as bad of news as when I was told he shot and killed Tracy. I suppose they'll have a parade in his honor next....

Posted by oxnardlove62774 on October 15, 2007 at 2:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

WOW WHAT HAS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM COME TO? lETTING A COLD BLOODED MURDERER OUT ON BAIL AND REALLY WHAT KIND OF PERSON/PEOPLE WOULD BAIL HIM OUT?? ARE THESE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE MY COUSINS (3 VARGAS ANGELS) IF SO WHAT A GOOD EXAMPLE YOU PEOPLE ARE SETTING! WE WILL FIGHT TO THE END TO MAKE SURE TRACY GETS JUSTICE!! AMEN MISS YOU TRACY MARSHALL

Posted by Curious on October 17, 2007 at 10:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

how does anyone know he was let out on bail? where can we look up information so we can find out if he is brought ot justice? Thanks.

Posted by jcarbajal on October 19, 2007 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As I have told all of you before do not rush to judgement. Do not question who bailed him out it's really none of your business....and oxnardlove62774 when you say are these the "PEOPLE" who have "YOUR" cousins, I beg to differ they are "OUR" Cousins too and they are safe.... We are Nick's family and whether you like it or not Nick is their Father!!! We love the girls with all of our heart and we would never do anything to put them in harms way!

Posted by tracysfriend4ever on October 19, 2007 at 9:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

to jcarbajal: Who is rushing to judgement? Anyone can clearly see that Nick shot her in cold blood. It is everyone business who bailed him. Why would anyone bail him then put him back with the girls that he so called loved and killed their mother???? Nick sure was having a great time in San Diego at the Charger game on sunday huh! Just living it up while Tracy is 6 feet under. And Jamie the skeltons in your closet are dying to get out!

Posted by tracysfriend4ever on October 19, 2007 at 9:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nicks family and friends can get on the stand and play the victim card with him but the proof that has been given to the police paint a whole different story and they will look so stupid when they are proven wrong. Nick may of told everyone what he wanted them to believe but pictures don't lie.

Posted by maryz8 on October 19, 2007 at 10:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

For your information JCARBAJAL Nick has put those children already in harms way on many many MANY occaisions ! He has even threatened to kill them in front of their mother... Back off !! You don't know what you are talking about.. Ask Nick what I just said and watch his reaction// his face will tell all... Let us know , what we already know is the truth. Nick KILLED TRACY .. WHAT MORE IS THERE TO SAY. HE TOLD FAMILY MEMBERS, POLICE, EVEN HIS KIDS. PERIOD.. He should get the small as Tracy got no less.. NOW WHAT.. No judgement made already done !!!!!!

Posted by frozenyogue211 on October 19, 2007 at 10:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh,.... poor Nick,.. enjoy your huantings, HAPPY HOLLOWEEN COWARD. YOU GO TRACY, HAUNT THIS COWARD, DRIVE HIM NUTS!!! LOVE YOU SO MUCH TRACY!! YOU MAY BE DEAD, BUT YOU ARE NOT GONE, GET HIM TRACY!!!

Posted by maryz8 on October 19, 2007 at 10:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nick Vargas already made up our minds for us when he gunned Tracy down, just what kind of defence can he possibly have, INSANITY!! Well then he shouldn't be on the streets or with any kids let alone his own,,, Remember kids were in the house when he shot and killed Tracy. And this is a person we can trust on our streets and homes.. Jaime you must be just as sick as Nick to believe his lies,, I suppose it is also Tracy's fault she is dead? Let's see.. self defence... NO... she had a gun? NO, knife no ... bat no.. nothing to defend herself,,, Nick had the gun ready, already loaded, and he picked her up.. anything else you want the truth about. This is really a no- brainer oh I forgot same DNA.. that explains it........

Posted by maryz8 on October 19, 2007 at 10:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

correction.. Nick should get the same as Tracy but much slower........

Posted by maryz8 on October 19, 2007 at 10:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bible says .. eye for an eye are you a believer, everyone that believes say EYE !!!!!!

Posted by frozenyogue211 on October 19, 2007 at 10:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tell me this, how in the hell can these young daughters of Tracy's be safe, when thier so called "father" murdered her in cold blood, while they were there, in the same house? What if, one of these girls were to run in front of the situation as it was happening? Do you really think Nick would have cared then? Would he have not shot Tracy at all? Or just One time in the head? Hmmmm,..... what a lovely justice system.

Posted by maryz8 on October 19, 2007 at 11:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nick I hope you are happy now,you finally killed my niece, it wasn't that long ago that I told you this would happen, you actually killed her long ago
mentally... Nick you will be found guilty, are you man enough now , Tracy's dead, you did it, end of story. Why are you wasting tax payers money and time. You threatened many times to take your own life... Just Do it and save us any further grief.
PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by maryz8 on October 19, 2007 at 11:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nick I hope guilt eats you from the inside out for the rest of your days,,

Posted by maryz8 on October 19, 2007 at 11:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Parents are suppose to set good examples for their children, god parents and grand parents too, what is being taught by bailing Nick out, did you have a party for him too !

Posted by maryz8 on October 19, 2007 at 11:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I always believe in going straight to the source whenever I have a problem so here goes, tell us your side of the story Nick, what happened? We need to know. As Tracy's family we have a right to know what transpired that night so we can get some rest, and move on..If Nick isn't aware of this open forum, let him know Jaime,, we'd all like to hear from him..

Posted by maryz8 on October 20, 2007 at 12:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

To JCARBAJAL no one is saying Nick's family isn't safe for the girl's..or that anyone would put the children in harm's way knowingly, what we are saying is Nick isn't safe for them to be around,, even if he is the father,which on many occaisions he claimed not to be just to hurt Tracy, ask him. Fathers have been known to harm their own, he has already hurt them so deeply, that wound will never heal no matter what he or anyone else says, we aren't the bad guys and neither is Nick's family..
We have all been victimized by Nick, even you.

Posted by jcarbajal on October 21, 2007 at 2:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

maryz8: I do not have to back-off!!! I have just as much right to come to my Cousins aid as you have to defend your niece. Look at the way you and your friends are speaking are my Little Cousins safe with you? I never even heard Tracy once mention you, all she ever said was I dont have family so its funny that you are all now coming out of no where!!!!! And yes it is being said that we are not safe for them but all of you are completely wrong! And lets get this straight Tracy told my cousin many times in front of our family and her own daughters that Nick was not their father, my cousin knows they are his daughters no question but she made sure to play on those words a lot, he would never hurt them!!!! Tracy has said and did some very hurtful things to Nick and his daughters but believe me this is not the way to get this across I will show my RESPECT to Tracy by allowing everything to come out in time my cousin will have his day in court, then all TRUTH not LIES will be told. I am not a victim of Nick I am his blood, his family he never denied me and I will never deny him! May God Bless you!

Posted by maryz8 on October 22, 2007 at 11:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

FYI JCarbajal/// Tracy has many family members in your area and all across the US,we lived in your area for many years and still visit often.We lived in Oxnard when Nick and Tracy met.Nick was at our home on a daily basis,and has even been to our home in Oregon. As far as the children being safe with us, they always have been even on recent visits with Tracy's family as well as with yours. This safety issue is being twisted.. this safety matter is strickly pertaining to Nick, and his mindset. Nick is the one who pulled the trigger, not you or I.Those three bullets put us all in this situation. You may not know Tracy's family, but Nick and our niece's do,why would we make all of this up, we don't consider this a form of entertainment or fun. Common sense dictates how we react to irrational behavior, and a loaded gun in a home with children is not .Tracy knew where that gun was but, she didn't pull the trigger,Nick did.Tracy hid injuries with heavy make-up, turtle necks,long sleeves, pants and lied about them to protect Nick. Why do you think there was such a break down within the family..I myself have many pictures that include alot of Nick's family thru the years, picnics, baptisms, birthday parties, camping, maybe even you,and blackeyes..They even drove all the way to Oregon,to visit. You must not be that close to not know Tracy had family, and to this day even in your area.Three weeks before she died Tracy and Nick as a COUPLE attended a BBQ in OC, yes as a couple... and girls stayed in OC for two weeks following. Tracy made up excuses for all the injuries, except in the last couple of years,she started telling all, even her actions to many.This was how their realationship was. Why do you think people knew this would happen someday? Have you even read what folks have written in this forum or do you just assume they are all lies. Believe me, we all have more pleasent tasks at hand. This isn't a movie script, or book we have read, this is reality.. Wake us up from this nightmare and let it be not be true, rewind it, do something. And KUDOS to you JCARBAJAL for your comments, but RESPECTFULLY to you and your's the truth and lies will be told and it won't be pretty from either side, we know this,and I'm sure you do too. Nick and Tracy went back and forth more times than not, and it was hidden from family members all the way up to the end, because it sounded like a broken record that Nick and Tracy played over and over... But Tracy didn't deserve to die because of their choice of music and the way they danced to it.... When this trial begins it is not about who did what, when, and where... it will be about the killing, that day and that instance, not the past.The court will lead up to that day by telling the past, but there isn't a question of who done it... that we already know !!! I'm very sad to say,it's the one person that promised to love, cherish and protect her til death do they part, not, til I kill you, do we part....

Posted by tracysfriend4ever on October 22, 2007 at 1:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You are so right Mary and it couldn't of been put any better. Tracy had many, many, friends who were kept out of the picture so that she could have places to go and seek shelter. These are her true friends who gave up being able to share in her family gatherings with the kids birthdays, baptisms, bbq's for the hell of it, ect,ect, just so she had somewhere to go and hid. We all have pictures to prove that we had a relationship with Tracy but I like others don't have to prove anything to anyone let alone one of Nick's family members who I consider to have a motor mouth! If you JCarbajal were in her and Nicks life or so close to Nick why did Tracy never mention you to us? There was no reason to hid you from us like there was for us to be hidden from nick! Do you honestly think that he is going to get away with shooting her three times? What kind of self defense is that! Give me a break!

Posted by maryz8 on October 24, 2007 at 9:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No more worries Tracy..

Posted by oxnardlove62774 on October 26, 2007 at 3:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No more worries cuz!!!

Posted by maryz8 on November 12, 2007 at 4:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is a note to Nick, why did you let this go so far? Maybe other family members of yours didn't know Tracy had a family but you did, and you knew how to contact us.If Tracy was so out of hand there are many of us you could of turned to for a helping hand with her as well as the kids, why didn't you ask?

Posted by npkelley on February 19, 2008 at 7:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Nick & Tracy were both grown people who had choices. Fact is, there was mental & physical abuse that went BOTH ways in their relationship, but b/c Nick is a man it automatically looks worse on him. Yes, what happened goes w/out saying it is emotionally draining & ludicrous for both families and friends on both sides. This whole ordeal is, but who in the hell are you Maryz8 and everyone else out there to judge? Both families lost a family member,friends lost a friend. Let Tracy RIP. She will always be loved and remembered. My family still have my primo to deal with. Stop acting as if you're the victim. We all know how she passed. Not once has he denied it, so move on. Maryz8 you have to be the most unhappy, lonely, bored out your damn mind black hearted woman. Are you getting an award or something? Aunt of the year maybe? You call my primo Nick sick min